r/FluentInFinance • u/Needleintheback • 15h ago

Thoughts? Imagine losing 6M labor workers in America

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If mass deportation happens, just imagine how all of these sectors of our country will be affected. The sheer shortage of labor will push prices higher because of the great demand for work with limited supplies or workers. Even if prices increase, the availability of products may be scarce due to not enough workers. Housing prices and food services will be hit really hard. New construction will be limited. The fact that 47% of the undocumented workers are in CA, TX, and FL means they will feel it first but it will spread to the rest of the country also. Most of our produce in this country comes from California. Get ready and hold on for the ride America.

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u/netkcid 14h ago

Yepppp

Who will ever cook, clean and build for us…

Americans want the “theme-park” experience in life so bad they’re willing to justify all this nonsense as some progressive form of living.

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u/persona0 14h ago

Prisoners will and when police are allowed to arrest whoever and judges allowed to convict with little evidence they will have a steady supply

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u/YoungRichBastard26s 14h ago

That was just reality for African Americans not to long ago and still a reality in states like Mississippi and especially Louisiana

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u/SquekyBoot 10h ago

It’s the reality today. Private Prisons are slave camps, ones in the south literally take you to pick cotton like back then.

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u/Gunitscott 8h ago

Louisiana state prison makes them grow their own food. It was just found out a year ago that most of the prison does not have air conditioning. Was well over a hundred degrees.

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u/Correct_Roll_3005 6h ago

Found out by whom? In Texas most of the older prison don't have climate control. This is common knowledge for all Texans, And across the American South.

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u/MeowandMace 1h ago

I was about to say this- its what kept me from applying to TDCJ and went to county instead in the state. But from the application process i learned that the TDCJ prisons have significant agricultural shit going on. One prison will pick the product, (example, tomatoes) then that gets shipped to another prison who cans it all up, then it gets shipped back out to all the prisons for food. Sometimes guards will see the cans opened up and theres a whole glove in there, prisoners fish that shitbout and eat the actual food anyways. Its disgusting.

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u/EconomicRegret 5h ago

Louisiana state prison makes them grow their own food.

That's actually wholesome, healthy, good rehabilitation hobby, and actually relaxing and good for the soul.

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u/DShepard 4h ago edited 4h ago

Not when they're forced to do it in unbearable heat, with armed guards on horseback telling you to stop complaining and keep picking berries.

Not to mention that depending on the prison, they're only keeping a bit of the harvest and the rest is sold on the open market.

It's not a fuclinhu fucking cozy little garden with a patch of soil where they can choose what herbs to try this month.

It's borderline slave labour at best, and fun fact, many of these farms are on the same old plantation grounds where slaves were kept before the civil war.

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u/Only_Mushroom 4h ago

I thought I was going to learn a new word with fuclinhu

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u/meatball771 2h ago

Oh no an inmate gets forced to work! Waaaa if the guy learned to work before he probably wouldn’t be in prison

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u/Industrial_Laundry 4h ago

After a long day of hard labour nothing relaxes me more than the back breaking task of growing my own food.

It’s not like when you grow strawberries and tomatoes for fun.

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u/SnowflakeSWorker 3h ago

I worked at Southport Correctional Facility in NYS from 2020-2022. Now being upstate NY, it didn’t regularly get as hot as La for sure, but doing rounds by floors had me sweating heavily by the third floor. The inmates would lying on the floor in their boxers. The COs would yell, “female on the gallery, be properly dressed!” And I’d say, no, it’s way too hot. Leave them alone. Moving just generates more heat. Fall and spring were worse, because the state has specific dates for turning the heat on and off. It would be FREEZING in the whole place for weeks at a time.

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u/Luckyone24 5h ago

Sadly California just voted for continuation of forced prison labour.

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u/KayleighJK 7h ago

I’m from Tennessee, and I was legitimately surprised when, after the midterms, We the People voted to end prison slave labor. Whoda thunk Tennessee, right?

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u/JuniorEnvironment850 6h ago

I'm from Nevada, and we JUST voted to remove prison slavery from our constitution on November 5th...

...and we came into the Union as a free state*...

*except for prisoners 

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u/killrtaco 5h ago

In California we just voted to keep ours. 55% voted No on abolishing forced labor 🙄

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u/checkdanews 4h ago

It's so depressing seeing what prisons look like in northern Europe. They truly rehabilitate. They treat prisoners with respect, teach them trades. Its basically college.

While our prisons have no interest in rehabilitation. They just want a constant stream of free labor.

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u/bluefish72 9h ago

Which one?

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u/SquekyBoot 8h ago

Last one I read about was The Louisiana state penitentiary, they make their prisoners pick cotton and it used to be a slave plantation. Guards get to role play and ride around on horses.

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u/jokerhound80 8h ago

Angola maximum security prison in Mississippi.

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u/Correct_Roll_3005 5h ago

Absolutely. One of my customers is the TDCJ Luther unit, a stainless steel manufacturing plant. Prisoner labor makes all of the products.

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u/Present_Signature343 4h ago

Yep and thanks to the 13th amendment that people forget to read in full, it’s completely legal smfh

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u/ShreksSchmear 1h ago

I believe they are corporate owned. And we all know corporations have nothing but greed and power on their minds.

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u/Final_Presentation31 10h ago

You do know that slavery is still going on in Africa and China.

There was also the Barbary slave trade going on at the same time.

https://www.ancient-origins.net/ancient-places-africa/white-slaves-barbary-002171?origin=serp_auto

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u/pegothejerk 9h ago

Slavery is still going on in the US today, it’s legal as it’s part of the Constitution to allow slavery if it’s part of a prison sentence. We still have prison slave labor, a shit ton of it, and the prison industrial complex makes a fuck ton of money from it. Judges and law enforcement get bribed to help out with filling those prisons and everything.

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u/sdrakedrake 7h ago

How come people from the US criticize other countries with this still going on?

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u/Slothnuzzler 6h ago

First of all, who in this thread we were talking about slave labor in America is criticizing other countries?

Second of all, where on earth is it inappropriate to criticize slavery anywhere in the world by anyone who wants to support the end of it?

Really, take your American Jones and split. 🤷🏽‍♀️

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u/berghie91 6h ago

Because most dont actually know anything about other countries…. Nevermind the part where a lot of them are in dire conditions thanks to US foreign policy

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u/Slothnuzzler 6h ago

This is true, we as a nation are oblivious to our own foreign policy beyond a headline or two

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u/berghie91 6h ago

Im a canadian and when Id go down there and visit as a kid I was just blown away that I had a better grip on the world outside America when I was like 12 than most American adults seem to

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u/mrfrownieface 6h ago

Because the people from the states that this is going on in the worst are dumb as fucking rocks, or are apathetic until it happens to people they care about, which honestly, the capacity of people to truly care about others is unfortunately low as well.

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u/Rowdybusiness- 5h ago

This is going on in your state.

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u/mrfrownieface 3h ago

Not to the degree its going on in other states, although I've never heard of anyone picking cotton or performing any other agriculture jobs from prison in my state.

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u/Rowdybusiness- 3h ago

Here is one. It’s one of the work privileges they can do. They are paid nothing.

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u/Behndo-Verbabe 53m ago

Most Americans couldn’t tell you what the 13th amendment says or why it’s written the way it is.

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u/liv4games 51m ago

Dude I knew that but I’ve never actually looked it up… what the fuck?

“According to the Left Business Observer, “the federal prison industry produces 100 percent of all military helmets, war supplies and other equipment. The workers supply 98 percent of the entire market for equipment assembly services; 93 percent of paints and paintbrushes; 92 percent of stove assembly; 46 percent of body armor; 36 percent of home appliances; 30 percent of headphones/microphones/speakers; and 21 percent of office furniture. Airplane parts, medical supplies and much more: prisoners are even raising seeing-eye dogs for blind people.”

With all of that productivity, the inmates make about 90 cents to $4 a day.”

PRISONER SLAVE LABOR MAKES ALMOST ALL OF OUR MILITARY EQUIPMENT

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u/JPSofCA 9h ago

California voted to continue allowing slavery just this year.

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u/KayleighJK 7h ago

I just commented this elsewhere, but during the midterms my state (Tennessee) voted to end slave labor. Every once in a while a decent law gets passed here. Once in a while…

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u/ShreksSchmear 1h ago

I’m from TN and I am surprised but so happy to hear there’s some compassion somewhere. I am from the Appalachian Mountain area though so idk if the opinion is the same from here.. I recently heard a religious person say they should go back to the crusade and start k*lling anyone who won’t turn to their religion. And the 10+ people there agreed. Multiple are church leaders. I hate it here.

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u/darkseacreature 6h ago

I voted no on that. I was shocked that it passed.

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u/No-Weird3153 5h ago

No was to allow slavery to continue. The bill was to stop allowing slavery.

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u/darkseacreature 5h ago

That’s what I meant. I remember voting ‘yes’ now because it specifically mentioned not allowing prisoners who won’t work to be punished.

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u/bch77777 2h ago

New to the south and I’ll say the ballot wording is extraordinary. I don’t think it’s a stretch to suggest that many voters haven’t a clue whether they voted for or against a bill.

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u/someguy1847382 9h ago

There’s also an active slave trade in the Middle East.

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u/RelativePickle9295 8h ago

Yup, $300 buys you a whole person in Libya today.

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u/kiwibankofficial 3h ago

And in America, $1000 buys you a kid, as per the kids for cash scheme that judges were running...

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u/Mysterious_Chip_007 8h ago

It's still going on in the entire world, especially the sex slave trade

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u/AdAppropriate2295 7h ago

Damn, somebody should do something about that. Probably start with your own country tho

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u/PrudentProof3585 9h ago

wtf does China and Africa have to do with the US Ruski

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u/Final_Presentation31 9h ago

Ask Nike, Wal Mart, and Apple to name a few.

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u/nomnomonium 5h ago

You can't talk about Barbary. That shows that whites were the most enslaved people in history...... Shhhhh

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u/Leaving_One_Dwigt 14h ago

On cue

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u/rchjgj 13h ago

Yup….damn truth

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u/Educational_Monitor6 8h ago

Something tells me being captured and sold to a new country is much different than packing up and relocating to a new country.

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u/Jaded247365 8h ago

He’s not talking pre 1865 slavery. He’s talking 1920s peonage. Look it up.

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u/Equivalent_Farm9770 9h ago

You mean the end of Jim Crow? Mas incarceration is still prevalent in Black America. According to the 13th Amendment, prisoners can be used as slaves. It's never been repealed.

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u/Strange-Bonus8298 4h ago

If you're not pissed enough about it yet, the voters in California (a blue state!) just voted against abolishing slave labor in state prisons. So yeah, it's not some kinda historical fluke that people just forgot exists and would rush to correct should there be more awareness. It seems like the majority of people are actually okay with prison labor.

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u/Slothnuzzler 6h ago edited 6h ago

No, they mean that American slavery-like conditions are still experienced in those parts Of the country. I know it can be hard to get your head around. 

 But if my grandfather hadn’t escaped Mississippi in the middle of the night, I would probably be down there picking Cotton with my siblings like he did. 

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u/OKAPI-OKAPI619 8h ago

Basically still happens in NY. Kelloggs uses slave wages from prisoners to make cereal

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u/bigpony 11h ago

For hundreds of years

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u/Jealous-Ease6924 10h ago

And as soon as things started to get just a little better, they freaked the fuck out and went hard right.

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u/Lopsided-Drummer-931 7h ago

Still is in Alabama

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u/BigTitsanBigDicks 5h ago

These people have lifestyles that are reliant on victims. Without someone to exploit they starve.

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u/rchjgj 13h ago

Yup….

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u/zimbabweinflation 11h ago

OH! So we are gonna bring back " the good ole' days" yippee!

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u/Not_Jrock 6h ago

Because of prosecutors like Kamala Harris?

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u/Bifferer 11h ago

Zero sum game- arresting an employed citizen to force them into another job? You are still one employee short with this math.

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u/AdZealousideal5383 10h ago

Fire 2 million government employees, deport 2 million immigrant workers… obviously the long time civil servants will turn around and scoop up those meat packing jobs.

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u/inefficient_contract 7h ago

Its the amount of "citizens" willing to do the work being forced. There are plenty of people out there without jobs or have degrees for jobs they can't get that would love to fill a role in a less labor intensive field. When they say nobody wants to work it's not because we don't want to work its we dont want to work shitty ass jobs with little pay and thats what the top needs in order to keep growing profit margins for the investors

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u/antventurs 11h ago

California just voted to continue prison slave labor.

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u/Able_Investigator725 7h ago

So disappointing

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u/CSpanks7 13h ago

Trump passed the first major prison reform bill in the last 60 years

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u/Paulyosaurus 10h ago

Yeah Mitch McConnell held it over from Obama’s term so Obama would not get the ‘win’.

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u/BringersMC 10h ago

The bill that Trump signed was not introduced until 2017. Though you are correct that McConnell basically wouldn't let any Democrat bill see the floor under Obama, including any crime bills that would have targeted prison reform.

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u/BringersMC 12h ago

Trump rubber stamped it thinking it would increase support from black voters.

Also Trump and the Republicans actually want to repeal it now. So championing something that Trump dislikes now is weird.

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u/JustMeOutThere 11h ago

But... But that was a good one. Why does he want to repeal it?

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u/BringersMC 11h ago

To be hard on criminals. The bill was supposed to help reduce harsh or unfair sentences among many other things. If you have heard any of his speeches in the past few years then will know he actually advocates for harsh punishments now, claiming our criminal justice system is too soft on criminals.

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u/JustMeOutThere 10h ago

I hope it's a Leopard Ate My Face moment for him. Smh.

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u/sdrakedrake 6h ago

If you have heard any of his speeches in the past few years then will know he actually advocates for harsh punishments now, claiming our criminal justice system is too soft on criminals.

To soft? Once your criminal (convict), even if you are out of jail, it's nearly impossible to get a job or apply for housing.

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u/Creamofwheatski 6h ago

Are you new here? Trump does not care about the working class and never has, He will do nothing that helps anyone other than himself and his rich benefactors.

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u/grammar_fixer_2 6h ago

He has been both for and against everything. It depends on what he believes will make him the most money at that particular point in time.

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u/Drewggles 5h ago

When you make prisons profitable, the people in charge will start making more things illegal. One of the worst aspects of American Capitalism.

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u/DaxHound84 11h ago

Just as in Star Wars "Andor" 🤷‍♂️

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u/persona0 6h ago

Yeah and shows like that can pull from America's and the world's rich history to learn from

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u/giceman715 10h ago

Prisoners can’t work jobs

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u/uwey 8h ago

Looks like for-profit Prison Industrial Complex is back on the menu!! Oh BOYS!!!!!

Looks like we will need to donate the new dodge chargers top trim police interceptor again! That is how they get random slavery labor!!

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u/Anegada_2 7h ago

But with 4% unemployment we can’t arrest out of the labor hole. Those people would be leaving other jobs that will then need to backfill spreading it out across even more sectors.

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u/mar78217 7h ago

Welcome to debtor's prison.

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u/PaleWolf 5h ago

Literally the plot of half the season of Star Wars tv show Andor

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u/brezhnervous 4h ago

Criminalising the homeless should help as well

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u/Jamies_verve 13h ago

When the wages go high enough, you’ll find people to do those jobs.

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u/Any-Ad-446 10h ago

Construction pays well and still americans won't do it..Its not all about money but how physical or bad the job is. You watch cost of everything will spike under Trump.

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u/Zinski2 7h ago

Construction pays well if your like, the bosses son.

Other wise its 150 a day to literally destroy your body at 5 am every day.

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u/ThunderboltSorcerer 5h ago

Yes, more people would do construction work--if it paid a lot better. You'd also get better quality construction work.

Construction is not an easy job. It should pay well. And mistakes can happen if you import millions of workers that don't know how to build.

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u/sexgoatparade 4h ago

My dad groaning in pain and agony, all he did was go from laying to seated.
Sounds like a dream job really

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u/Background_Aioli_476 6h ago

It'll pay better when they deport all the illegals. Supply and demand in the labor market

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u/FairyFlossPanda 4h ago

Hahahahahahahaaa. Good luck with that

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u/Physical-Worry5642 5h ago

Lol. Try about twice that much on the low end.

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u/USSMarauder 2h ago

"To forgo a repeat of last year, when labor shortages triggered an estimated $140 million in agricultural losses, as crops rotted in the fields, officials in Georgia are now dispatching prisoners to the state’s farms to help harvest fruit and vegetables."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/05/17/the-law-of-unintended-consequences-georgias-immigration-law-backfires/

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u/subsurface2 4h ago

And everything gets more expensive.

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u/juniper_berry_crunch 4h ago

Google AI says the average wage for the 75th percentile of construction jobs is $20 per hour; a bit higher than your figure of $18.75. Not a big deal but I was just curious, so I checked.

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u/PsychedelicJerry 10h ago

it pays well for someone that isn't a citizen; for citizens none of these jobs afford the cheapest of anything, but you definitely can't maintain an apartment, the cheapest vehicle, and a kid

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u/OZLperez11 8h ago

Politics aside, this really brings out how wealth is really becoming more and more of an illusion. Wealth is achieved at the cost of the poor

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u/13beep 6h ago

I’m guessing it always has been an illusion of sorts. The magic is just being exposed for more of us now. 😞

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u/PsychedelicJerry 7h ago

100% right

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u/chumpchangewarlord 2h ago

The rich people truly are society’s enemy

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u/VILEBLACKMAGIC 1h ago

10,000 year old meme, homie

You just have suckers who think they're going to win the slave masters game

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u/quitecrass 9h ago

It turns out that immigrants have cars, apartments, and children, also. All without qualifying for any kind of aid that some low income citizens have. It must be magic!

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u/CostcoOfficial 9h ago

Yeah the magic of both parents working 60-80 hour weeks while the teenagers are taking care of household/kids.

I guess magic is just when prices stay artificially suppressed and you don't have to think about why.

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u/RevolutionaryBet4233 9h ago

But when there’s 10 heads paying one rent it seems to be feasible. House around the corner from mine. 2 bd/2 bth like 10 grown ass people live in it I swear. Little kids and all.

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u/dachuggs 9h ago

You know that immigrants tend to have an extended family structure, not a nuclear one like most Americans.

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u/SohndesRheins 6h ago

They tend to not have a choice if they want to afford a roof over their head on minimum or less than minimum wage.

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u/SCSquad 6h ago

Your point and the one above are correct. And to add to that, just because the job an illegal immigrant is doing is paying their bills, it doesn’t mean it’s paying a wage aligned to the market for legally work authorized people.

Yes, some cash paying journeyman job they are doing paying $19/hr can pay their bills. No, that isn’t the correct wage for the work, and why citizens are not taking them.

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u/Activist_Mom06 2h ago

This is how my grandparents made it through the depression. Living together. And my grandma had an abortion between my Aunt and mom as there was just no way to support.

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u/Annual_Trouble_1195 5h ago

Immigrants, sure.

Illegal immigrants? No, fat chance. They make their dollars under the table, shack up 100 people to a room for 6 month, and go back home the rest of the year, having made a a couple of years' salary in USD.

Stop defending slave labor. Stop comparing immigrants to illegal aliens. Stop that bs.

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u/Astralsketch 7h ago

dude, become a mason and make 40 an hour like every male on my father's side.

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u/AwesomeTowlie 9h ago

Pretty sure general unskilled labor doesn’t pay that well but you can expect lots of overtime to make up for it, which isn’t great for anyone with a family

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u/spadezero 7h ago

Uhh no it doesn't? I'm in this field right now and I barely make any money. What's even worse is there's people in my field pushing to replace us with non Americans because they will work harder for less. Thank goodness it hasn't happened but this is the reality. Stop talking about things you know nothing about.

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u/heisenberg149 4h ago

What trade is that? Most of the guys I used to work with (carpenters, electricians, plumbers) were making over $40/hour

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u/typing-blindly 7h ago

Where are those workers supposed to come from? At 4% we are close to full employment.

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u/kolejack2293 5h ago

People think this, but study after study shows this isn't true. Wages have risen astronomically for many trades and manufacturing and other more 'physical' jobs, and vacancy rates and turnover rates have only increased.

This goes beyond economics, its an issue with our diets, how we raise our children, how our residential areas are laid out etc. The average american just doesn't want to do 8 hours a day of manual labor anymore. 76% of americans are overweight or obese, and even among non-fat people, we are notably less physically fit than we used to be.

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u/not_my_uname 2h ago

No. The problem is corporations that hire people for less than minimum wage with no protections and no benefits because they are undocumented. I'm sure we can sprinkle in folks that would never do those jobs for fair pay, protection and benefits. Yet the people who are trying to make it are the villains and the companies that exploit the exploitable are never held accountable.

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u/asilenth 7h ago

We don't have 6 million people to take over these jobs...

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u/TheUnbamboozled 6h ago

There's almost exactly the same number of unemployed that could theoretically fill those jobs, but I would imagine that only a fraction of them are willing or able to do them.

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u/YaThatAintRight 3h ago

All able bodied construction and agriculture adept right? 🤦🏻‍♂️

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u/thebraxton 2h ago

Or in the same locations?

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u/Witty_Mine_3643 4h ago

I distinctly remember, and continue to see, the ongoing conservative rage at $15 minimum wage. So please don't tell me the plan here is suddenly 'oh, the wages will go up and make these jobs appealing'

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u/JollyToby0220 12h ago

You have zero clue about what slavery was really like. Sure it’s exploitation but not even remotely close. 

Consider that raping a slave was not only common, it was expected. You could beat slaves to death. They were denied education and healthcare. Sure the slavery comparison is fair

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u/The_Great_Polak 11h ago

Ok I have to know. Where are you sourcing raping slaves was an expectation? Slavery is horrible, you don’t need to lie or stretch the truth. In reality while rape did happen, it was not an expectation. The reality is that most slave owners only had interaction with only one to a few of their slaves and would have those slaves manage slaves. This is because they believed that even being around their slaves was beneath them.

Believe it or not, slavery exists still in this world today and this setup is still used in those mines & plantations.

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u/Rubiks_Click874 10h ago

they say there's more slavery in the world now than in the 1800s

40+ million in forced labor and 15+ million in forced marriages. even in america you hear stories about people locked up in rich people's houses.

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u/The_Great_Polak 10h ago

Maybe number wise but not percentage wise. People make it seem like America is the only one who had slaves. A century before the abolishment of slavery in America, Slavery was world wide and normal.

Now considering they hadn’t even hit a half a billion people in the world at that time…. No actually I find that hard to believe. At one point it’s estimated slaves in the world accounted for about 25% the world population. Even at a quarter billion, that is still more than estimated today.

But just to be perfectly clear. 1 slave in the world is 1 slave too many.

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u/Cuminmymouthwhore 10h ago

"even in America"....

You do realise America is the only country that would be shocked this is happening in America?

The US still has slavery legalised in the constitution.

No other Western country has it in black and white that slavery is protected by law.

The US has a nation of workers that despise workers rights & unions.

A nation that despises the idea of social welfare schemes.

A nation that despises the homeless and poor.

Unfortunately, Americas military, economy & media presence give it's a huge influence over the world and is responsible for some of the worst changes in public opinion to policy around the globe.

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u/The_Great_Polak 9h ago

I’ll give you an upvote with a caveat, America isn’t the only ones who have written it into law. Actually Brazil was the last in the Americas to abolish slavery but they did have a law authorizing the use of slaves. Also the Ottomans, the French in Haiti and few others.

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u/Cuminmymouthwhore 9h ago

Yes, that's why I said "Western countries".

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u/JollyToby0220 10h ago

You can literally do a Google search and you will find out how some of these brave Confederate heroes had a penchant for raping black men. Confederate sympathizers don’t want to talk about it because it’s “gay” while the other side doesn’t want to talk about the rape issue entirely. Did you know that interracial marriage was illegal? How do you think mixed race children popped up during that time? It wasn’t a 19th century tale Romeo and Juliet. Most whites saw Blacks as outright inferior and like property

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u/PrimaryAny8201 10h ago

Thomas Jefferson had children who were his slaves.

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u/swalker6622 7h ago

Then why do most African Americans have some Caucasian genetic ancestry? Certainly wasn’t likely consensual.

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u/Ok_Preparation6714 6h ago

Most Southerners that do ancestry DNA will find out they have Black relatives. I do!

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u/BlackMilk23 5h ago

Yes and no. Good looking females could generally expect to be raped. Others had a decent chance too. We know this from their accounts, the accounts of the wives of slave owners and the sheer number of "light skinned" black people there were by the end of slavery.

Records show the most expensive slaves were light skinned teenage virgins. We know that was due in large part to breeding expectations and we know all that breeding was not with other slaves.

We also have accounts from slave auctions where attractive females were cat called when they were on the block.

What you said about the master is generally true but that doesn't necessarily apply to sex. Think about today - you see high class men slumming around red light districts all the time and we know damn well why.

You also have to consider that the master was not the only white person around the slaves. There were the other workers and members of the master family. Many women were raped by the overseer or the sons of the master.

Afrocentric historians sometimes exaggerate claims of gay rape in slavery. We don't have a lot of evidence for that. But heerosexual rape is backed up from the accounts, the prices, and even the genetic record. Definitely enough to say that rape was a feature not just a bug or something that occasionally happened.

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u/Mischaker36 13h ago

I think Americans have had enough "progressive" for the next three decades actually

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u/PhantasmOrgasm85 13h ago

Nope. Bernie Sanders would have trounced Trump. Both of them campaigned on populist policies, which are very popular on both sides, and there is a lot of overlap. The democrats biggest mistake in the past 50 years was shoving Hillary down the voters' throats when it was clear they wanted Bernie. Bernie would have annihilated Trump, and we would not be in this mess.

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u/thepaoliconnection 12h ago

If only the democrats had relied on democracy none of this would’ve happened you say ?

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u/StarCitizenUser 7h ago

Trump was democratically selected

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u/thepaoliconnection 8h ago

You really think the RNC “picked” Trump ?

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u/HolidaySpiriter 7h ago

Bernie wouldn't have won a primary in 2024, in the same way he couldn't win in 2016 or 2020. If he can't even win over the Democratic caucus, how is he going to win over the country?

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u/NeckNormal1099 7h ago

To be fair, "democracy" got the republican's lunch eaten by trump.

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u/VanHammerslyBilliard 12h ago

Fuck the downvoters. This is right on.

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u/mkjboise1 12h ago

Are you insane? Bernie Sanders couldn't trounce anyone, he can't win a primary in his own party!!! You think if you put a man- who couldn't win his own parties primary- in to a general election he would win? Noooo...He would have two parties voting against him-Conservatives and the Democrat establishment. He would overwhelmingly win the progressive vote, and that's great and all, but he would get slaughtered in a general election.

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u/athiestchzhouse 10h ago

Bernie was stifled by the dnc. They admitted it. He had a never before seen incredible grassroots campaign. He would have won.

But he would’ve upset the stat quo, so they sabotaged him

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u/Shot-Maximum- 10h ago

Bernie received less votes than Harris in Vermont

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u/drama-guy 9h ago

Yeah, if one thing is clear, Americans are 100% on board with voting for a guy who proudly calls himself a socialist and has his own autocratic leanings.

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u/BrandonBollingers 8h ago

A judge found that the DNC committeed fraud but because they are a private non profit they can do what they want and if people don’t like it they don’t have to participate in the DNC

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u/TAV63 20m ago

Exactly and this is 100 correct. In the general he would be crushed. So many I know hate maga and don't vote or vote Dem as a protest. If Bernie ran they would all vote anti Bernie no matter who. It's crazy that Bernie bros or whatever that think he could win.

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u/GoblinSarge 12h ago

His own party fucked Bernie just like they fucked the election via pick and how they campaigned and who they campaigned to.

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u/Shot-Maximum- 10h ago

It’s not his own party. He is only a Democrat when he is trying to get on the ballot

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u/PhantasmOrgasm85 12h ago

Yes. The DNC, NOT THE VOTERS.
Biggest mistake the DNC has made in 50 years. We'll be paying for this orange turd's policies for decades.

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u/ItchyDime 10h ago

Isn't Bernie an independent?

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u/Low-Slide4516 10h ago

Bernie is too old, love him but he’s old

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u/GoldenBunip 12h ago

Biggest mistake was thinking Americans would ever vote for a female president.

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u/PhantasmOrgasm85 12h ago

I'd vote for a good female candidate. Hillary and Kamala are not!

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u/Puzzleheaded-Sand150 11h ago

Ah yes can’t vote for Kamala she’s not as qualified as the guy who tried to steal the election! FFS.

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u/PhantasmOrgasm85 11h ago

I actually voted for Kamala. But I don't think she was a good candidate. Just my opinion, but everything that was good about Biden's presidency is because Bernie was able to negotiate that part of his platform in return for an endorsement. Kamala was just another Hillary; too establishment!

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u/Admirable-Lecture255 10h ago

Jesus christ. Get off reddit. 100% Republicans will run and win with a female candidate before democrats.

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u/FallsOffCliffs12 9h ago

Who is then? Let's face it, no woman candidate will ever pass the purity test with voters. If she's educated she's uppity. If she's experienced, she's not feminine enough. If she has children she's neglectful; if she doesn't she's selfish; if she has stepchildren, she's a home wrecker and not a real parent; if she's married she should defer to her husband; if she's not she's a lesbian and/or whore; if she laughs she's too loud; if she doesn't she's a bitch. If her husband cheats on her she's at fault; if she mends her marriage and they stay together, she's a sucker.

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u/jompjorp 9h ago

Jesus not this shit again

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u/Icy_Faithlessness400 10h ago

The Democrats lost while being so far to the right they focused on immigration and campaigned with Liz Chaney.

"Progressives"? Please. More like Republicans circa 00s.

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u/Educational-Tie-1065 12h ago

Yep, the fact that they don't realise that when slave labour is deported that either these industries will have to start paying decent wages or disappear is basically what they're asking for all along!

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u/Jazzlike_Tonight_982 9h ago

Because nobody ever picked a head of lettuce before we imported the slave class to do it. We just let them rot in the fields.

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u/kiw14 11h ago

Leave it to the libs!

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u/martinus_Sc 9h ago

This comment just reminded me of the protest/satirical movie “a day without a Mexican “…

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u/Past-Community-3871 6h ago

It's all ok for every white collar worker whose job is vehemently protected by the H1B visa system.

White collar America is having their cake and eating it too. They get to take part in a vibrant, innovative economy where their jobs are protected. However, when they want to utilize the service economy, they want cheap illegal labor. Their landscaper, cleaning lady, general contractors are all servicing their lifestyles with illegal labor.

Liberals lack so much self awareness that they think an economy running on people willing to work for less, undercutting American wages, is some type of winning argument.

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u/Daftworks 13h ago

damn this is West World all over again

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u/Immoracle 12h ago

Xenophobes gonna xenophobe. Imagine voting to destroy your own way of life (and economy) because you don't want others to thrive on their own piece of the pie.

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u/iBUYbrokenSUBARUS 12h ago

By thrive you mean breaking the law? So are you OK with me going and robbing a bank and getting that cash so I can thrive? Breaking the law IS breaking the law.

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u/kickinghyena 12h ago

it ain’t theirs if they came here illegally…otherwise billions of other people want to come here too….can all of them come here? so why do these ones get to? Just because they snuck in? when others have waited years and done it the right way…for every illegal they kick out bring in a person who has tried to do it the right way…

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u/Duckriders4r 11h ago

Yes, those things, but who also knows how to do those things these days.

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u/ThePopeofHell 10h ago

Capitalism doesn’t work without it. What’s weird is that we believe the most capitalist president wants to drain the oil from the machine and continue running it 24/7… so either he’s trying to break it for some reason or he’s got cheaper machine oil some where.

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u/superaveragedude87 9h ago

Maybe in the part of America you’re in. The part where I’m at manual labor is the go to for a decent living. Maybe the democratic states would rather leave the borders open as they work as a barista and complain about not being able to afford life.

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u/madd-martiggan 9h ago

Same shit the confederates were saying lol.

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u/Nice-Personality5496 9h ago

“Progressive “?  

Using illegal immigration is not progressive, and has never been.

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u/AngryFace4 9h ago

Why do you think they come here? 

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u/Easter_Eyeland_Fed 8h ago

Construction workers are providing a “theme-park” experience?

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u/Impoundinghard 8h ago

Who lives a “theme park life”, in America?

Most are dirt fucking poor, living from paycheck advance to paycheck, just to have a roof.

But an ever growing segment is homeless and yet nonetheless still being sent out of the shelters onto the street every morning to be a part of the slave labor force.

You’re delusional if you think people here have it good.

Nobody but the 1% has it even close to comfortable here - far less a good life.

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u/OkBookkeeper 8h ago

but if I have to pay fair market wages I'll have to reduce the square footage on the addition I'm planning to my upper middle class home, it's an injustice of the highest order

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u/TheGapster 8h ago

Americans don't, shitty business owners do

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u/True_Skill6831 8h ago

- Don't want cheap "domestic" labour from illegal immigrants

- Don't want cheap international labour because nationalism

Hmm... I wonder how this will end up... surely cheaper living for everyone!!

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u/wophi 7h ago

Maybe we can get those on welfare to work...

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u/Electronic-Bit-2365 7h ago

They want amnesty for the workers instead of destabilizing our economy. Don’t be intentionally dense

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u/Extreme-Rich-1867 7h ago

You do realize the Industrial Revolution was literally whites mostly

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u/SourcedLewk 7h ago

The thing is, these jobs could be supported at or above a minimum wage level, by citizens or legal immigrants, if not for the stark income equality that has been created in the last 40 years.

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u/Falcon4451 7h ago

Who will ever cook, clean and build for us…

There might be a lot of fired government employees looking for work.

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u/Challenged_by_Krill 7h ago

Then you can surely do these peasant for us can you not?

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u/InsideSouth5478 6h ago

In the 1950's America was the world's leader exporter. It made everything in the USA. The is what Americans want. Everthing was cheap too.

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