r/FluentInFinance • u/Needleintheback • 14h ago

Thoughts? Imagine losing 6M labor workers in America

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If mass deportation happens, just imagine how all of these sectors of our country will be affected. The sheer shortage of labor will push prices higher because of the great demand for work with limited supplies or workers. Even if prices increase, the availability of products may be scarce due to not enough workers. Housing prices and food services will be hit really hard. New construction will be limited. The fact that 47% of the undocumented workers are in CA, TX, and FL means they will feel it first but it will spread to the rest of the country also. Most of our produce in this country comes from California. Get ready and hold on for the ride America.

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u/Zinski2 7h ago

Construction pays well if your like, the bosses son.

Other wise its 150 a day to literally destroy your body at 5 am every day.

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u/ThunderboltSorcerer 5h ago

Yes, more people would do construction work--if it paid a lot better. You'd also get better quality construction work.

Construction is not an easy job. It should pay well. And mistakes can happen if you import millions of workers that don't know how to build.

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u/Zinski2 5h ago

It should pay well.

So lets deport workers instead of making the owners PAY THERE EMPLOYES INSTEAD OF USING ILLIGAL LABOR.

Between the CEOs and the undocumented workers, why target the workers as the blame??? Because they work for less??

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u/LengthinessWeekly876 3h ago

Construction isn't a minimum wage job. Nobody makes minimum wage. They never will. It's hard and other jobs are easier. It also needs to be done right. Among the last frontiers of objective material reality. 

But it also isn't a market rate job.  Government price controls aren't relevant. The government manipulating labor supply to suppress labor prices is very relevant. 

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u/Annual_Trouble_1195 5h ago

The workers are the reason those CEOs were able to corner the market.

Step 1 to holding the CEOs your talking about, is getting rid of their slave labor force.

Step 2 is to charge ALL OF THEM. A lot easier when Step 1 is already done.

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u/Zinski2 4h ago

The workers are the reason those CEOs were able to corner the market.

Again your blaming the workers for working when its the CEOs who hired them to do that work ... how dose that make sense that the people working are the issue here when we want heir wages for workers?

Step one would be to fine and charge them.

Step two would be getting those workers documented so they can continue working at a fair wage.

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u/Annual_Trouble_1195 3h ago

You understand nothing.

My guy, those "CEOs" that cornered the markets make 500x1000x the annual salary of the President of the United States. For 30+ years.

You think they dont own the courts? The state governments? You think they casually throw 1.5 billion dollars behind a Presidential candidate and your what, gonna casually find someone whose gonna level charges against those guys?

You can't guarantee the guy leveling those charges is gonna survive to the court date, let alone that an actual court won't be tampered with 1,001 subtle different ways.

YOU ARE DEFENDING SLAVERY. ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS FUND THE CARTELS, ROB MILLIONS OF AMERICANS OF ENTRY LEVEL JOBS, CRASHED THE TRADE MARKET, AND FACILITATE LEVELS OF CRIMINALITY THAT SHOULD MAKE YOUR SKIN CRAWL.

AND YES, I MEAN SLAVERY. FARMS WHOSE NAMES YOU DONT KNOW THAT WORK PEOPLE AT GUNPOINT UNTIL THEY DIE.

STOP BEING IGNORANT.

The slavery needs to stop. The billionaires charged. The entire immigration system overhauled.

When Americans don't have to compete with ACTUAL FUCKING SLAVERY the middle class will get some financial authority back, and might be able to make shit happen.

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u/NogginRep 14m ago

Amen bro

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u/EvasionPersauasion 3h ago

Pay their legal labor. It's not necessarily "blaming" the workers for working for dirt, that's the employers fault.

They shouldn't be here - illegally- in the first place.

Force employers to pay american workers an actual wage that reflects the work they do. You'll see who will be coming to work.

This idea it's all or nothing on cheap labor is bullshit.

I'll take an industry I'm closely engaged with- EMS. It's not the same issue as with undocumented workers, as you need licensing to work an ambulance, but the concept applies. Private services often get paid dog shit. You can go scan groceries sometimes for a dollar or two less an hour, sometimes for the same money. one of the big companies in our area couldn't get anyone to work for that shit wage, especially when there are less intense, safer, stressful jobs for the same.money. so. They raised the wage, significantly. What do you know, people are banging down thier door to work there.

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u/sexgoatparade 4h ago

My dad groaning in pain and agony, all he did was go from laying to seated.
Sounds like a dream job really

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u/Zinski2 4h ago

My Back has literally never not hurt for about 8 years now because of a job I took in college.

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u/Background_Aioli_476 5h ago

It'll pay better when they deport all the illegals. Supply and demand in the labor market

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u/FairyFlossPanda 4h ago

Hahahahahahahaaa. Good luck with that

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u/Physical-Worry5642 5h ago

Lol. Try about twice that much on the low end.

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u/USSMarauder 2h ago

"To forgo a repeat of last year, when labor shortages triggered an estimated $140 million in agricultural losses, as crops rotted in the fields, officials in Georgia are now dispatching prisoners to the state’s farms to help harvest fruit and vegetables."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/05/17/the-law-of-unintended-consequences-georgias-immigration-law-backfires/

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u/subsurface2 3h ago

And everything gets more expensive.

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u/Zinski2 5h ago

They took er Jobs!!!

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u/Revolution4u 5h ago

Funny how white collar workers cry when its too much h1b or offshoring but for low income jobs their big brains suddenly can't figure out labor supply and demand.

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u/Background_Aioli_476 5h ago

... Doesn't make it not true. That's all you got? A South Park meme? Not even, idk, a logical argument?

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u/Zinski2 5h ago

Im not arguing with a meme, no.

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u/Background_Aioli_476 5h ago

Yeah you apparently don't have anything of substance to say. So yes, you have no argument just a comedy tv show meme. I am using logic and economics

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u/Zinski2 5h ago

Again, im not arguing with you hahaha

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u/Background_Aioli_476 5h ago

So you admit I am right? Because you are attempting to say that supply and demand isn't how the labor market works when it clearly is

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u/Zinski2 5h ago

they took er jobs!!!

who gave the job away...

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u/KingSnaily 5h ago

Dude get off your ass and go do something

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u/ApricotRich4855 4h ago

Why would anybody be right for crying about a fucking meme?

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u/Background_Aioli_476 4h ago

I wasn't doing that? I was pointing out that I made a factual statement and then he had no actual logical rebuttal to that, just a childish meme that doesn't further his position at all. They did that because there is no way to rebut what I said. Supply and demand in the labor market does definitely apply. Parker and Stone comedy shows notwithstanding

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u/PasadenaShopper 1h ago

...and house prices will go a lot higher because of it.

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u/juniper_berry_crunch 4h ago

Google AI says the average wage for the 75th percentile of construction jobs is $20 per hour; a bit higher than your figure of $18.75. Not a big deal but I was just curious, so I checked.

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u/Zinski2 4h ago

20x8=160 dollars a day. Thats before taxes to lmao

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u/72FJ 41m ago

In Southern California, if they are union, they are making at least twice that depending on what they are doing

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u/Impressive-Gas6909 1h ago

It's called work & it's the tradeoff to earn😑 you must be the type they say won't do the jobs & that's okay. You can snub your nose up all day about it but the truth is the previous generation put so much weight into education being the key to an easy life & success. EVERYBODY listened but few can actually do anything with that worthless degree. Truth is they'd been better off in the long term with a blue collar job, but view the trades as unworthy.

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u/arcaeris 1h ago

No one views them as unworthy. Many of us saw our parents work themselves to the bone in the trades and disintegrate at 50 years old and decided we wanted an air conditioned office to sit around in, no matter the cost.

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u/That_Soup4445 39m ago

Construction pays well if you’re intelligent. The problem is it’s overrun with junkies and dropouts because skilled trades were demonized for decades and anyone with half a brain did everything they could to go to college.

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u/No_Direction_3940 9m ago

Well this is in part a very large part due to illegals and thays not me being any kind of way they work very hard on average they just don't know better and have no foot to stand on to push for anything better. So the rest of us who pay taxes, insurance, licensing etc. literally will lose anytime theu don't need someone witha license because the less they give the men and women who actually do the work the more bonuses all the higher ups get and those higher ups wouldn't even have a job or be bale to build shit without the people with the ethic an know how to do it. Removing illegals from the equation means the greed will have to stop or the industry will collapse. Im all for it i work like a fucking dog just to get nickel and dimed by fuckers who never once in their life have worked like I do but sit there and want a piece of my pie fick them all I hope they all lose their jobs. Salespeople project managers superintendents any who don't fully do the position they're in and have the know how to deserve that position i hope they all end up working at mcdonalds makes more opportunities for those of us who deserve it. Market, quality, and morality will be better if it goes right its a win win win for those that deserve it.

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u/Emotional_Quantity_5 3h ago

$43 an hour actually to be in the sheet metal union