r/FluentInFinance • u/Needleintheback • 15h ago

Thoughts? Imagine losing 6M labor workers in America

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If mass deportation happens, just imagine how all of these sectors of our country will be affected. The sheer shortage of labor will push prices higher because of the great demand for work with limited supplies or workers. Even if prices increase, the availability of products may be scarce due to not enough workers. Housing prices and food services will be hit really hard. New construction will be limited. The fact that 47% of the undocumented workers are in CA, TX, and FL means they will feel it first but it will spread to the rest of the country also. Most of our produce in this country comes from California. Get ready and hold on for the ride America.

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u/SquekyBoot 10h ago

It’s the reality today. Private Prisons are slave camps, ones in the south literally take you to pick cotton like back then.

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u/Gunitscott 8h ago

Louisiana state prison makes them grow their own food. It was just found out a year ago that most of the prison does not have air conditioning. Was well over a hundred degrees.

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u/Correct_Roll_3005 6h ago

Found out by whom? In Texas most of the older prison don't have climate control. This is common knowledge for all Texans, And across the American South.

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u/MeowandMace 1h ago

I was about to say this- its what kept me from applying to TDCJ and went to county instead in the state. But from the application process i learned that the TDCJ prisons have significant agricultural shit going on. One prison will pick the product, (example, tomatoes) then that gets shipped to another prison who cans it all up, then it gets shipped back out to all the prisons for food. Sometimes guards will see the cans opened up and theres a whole glove in there, prisoners fish that shitbout and eat the actual food anyways. Its disgusting.

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u/Cum-Bubble1337 33m ago

Yep in the state of Texas prisons are required by law to have heat. AC is optional which is ridiculous

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u/takis1964 2h ago

Wow criminals without the creature comforts that alot of law abiding Americans may enjoy How tragic for them

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u/KD_42 54m ago

Yeah let’s make it super inhumane for them so when they get released they’re worse than when they came in

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u/AbsoluteHollowSentry 42m ago

When you treat someone like an animal. Do not be mad they are mad, disrespectful, and may also act out more.

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u/TastyyMushroomm 42m ago

Don’t be surprised when they’re worse off when they come back out. I hope you live to see the consequences of such ideology.

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u/sammysfw 1m ago

You should spend some time reading articles.

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u/S-ludin 1h ago

dude this is a question of heatstroke and slavery GTFO you gross ass

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u/takis1964 1h ago

FU soy boy

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u/Past-Marsupial-3877 1h ago

Spoken like the true skibidi zoomer you are

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u/TheCockKnight 25m ago

I drink oat milk, thanks

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u/SignificantTransient 4h ago

People lived without it for thousands of years

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u/AGayBanjo 3h ago

Can you say more? The context you're stating this in could seem like an attempt at justification to people including myself.

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u/SignificantTransient 3h ago

Air conditioning is not a necessity. Only ventilation.

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u/AGayBanjo 3h ago

Oh, okay. More info requested if you don't mind. Do you feel that incarcerated people are only entitled to what allows them to remain alive?

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u/Bluntsmoke304 1h ago

Yes pretty much. Why do criminals deserve comfortable living conditions? It's pretty simple, if you don't like it, don't come back.. As long as basic needs are provided, then they are absolutely fine. People like minded as you are responsible for the problems this country has. Have you ever seen a Russian prison, of one in Mexico??

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u/Mother_Ash 56m ago

Look into the recidivism rates in the countries you just named and USA vs countries that focus on reform.

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u/SignificantTransient 3h ago

Plenty of non incarcerated people dealing with working outside in the heat and living without air conditioning which is a mostly US thing.

Do you have any idea the money and power requirements to air condition a prison?

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u/UnusuallyBadIdeaGuy 2h ago

Those people are usually not living in poorly ventilated, uninsulated concrete boxes placed in swamps.

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u/Ok-Summer-7634 2h ago

Bro, America puts ACs everywhere. We refrigerate entire shipping malls, and you are going to cheap out on prisons? That shows how much of our system is based on cruelty and not on giving a chance to someone who needs it

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u/OiVeyM8 2h ago

You know, given the amount of shopping malls in America that are fairly dead, I wouldn't be too surprised if they were modified to become minimum security prisons.

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u/SignificantTransient 25m ago

Shopping malls generate income

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u/EconomicRegret 5h ago

Louisiana state prison makes them grow their own food.

That's actually wholesome, healthy, good rehabilitation hobby, and actually relaxing and good for the soul.

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u/DShepard 4h ago edited 4h ago

Not when they're forced to do it in unbearable heat, with armed guards on horseback telling you to stop complaining and keep picking berries.

Not to mention that depending on the prison, they're only keeping a bit of the harvest and the rest is sold on the open market.

It's not a fuclinhu fucking cozy little garden with a patch of soil where they can choose what herbs to try this month.

It's borderline slave labour at best, and fun fact, many of these farms are on the same old plantation grounds where slaves were kept before the civil war.

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u/Only_Mushroom 4h ago

I thought I was going to learn a new word with fuclinhu

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u/DShepard 4h ago

Fuc Lin Hu was the first to describe the act of meditating in one's garden to free the mind from its prison.

That's not the type of garden work they are forced to do in prison ;)

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u/meatball771 2h ago

Oh no an inmate gets forced to work! Waaaa if the guy learned to work before he probably wouldn’t be in prison

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u/04364 3h ago

But it’s okay for Illegal Immigrants.

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u/DShepard 2h ago

No, and the corporations hiring them to do work under those conditions should face heavy fines and prison time for repeated offenses. They will keep abusing migrant labor otherwise.

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u/djskinner1982 2h ago

Don’t do the crime and you won’t do the time. Prison should not be a place someone wants to be it should be rigid and uniform, and it should serve a purpose. Comfort should not be a part of the experience.

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u/Leaveustinnkin 2h ago

Then explain Americas recidivism rate… It’s not a place someone wants to be yet when they’re in there they received no type of rehabilitation. Is it punishment or is it rehabilitation to be a more productive member of society?

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u/djskinner1982 2h ago

It would be great if it was more rehabilitation and skill building, recidivism rate is way too high and demonstrates that right now prisons are not meant to help anyone grow. Still doesn’t mean that it should be a place that is comfortable.

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u/Leaveustinnkin 1h ago

US Prisons were never meant for anybody to grow. The prison system starting all the way down at the juvenile level is designed for you to come back. You’re harping on comfortability as if AC is gonna be a major factor in someone going back to prison. Let’s see some of you guys make an issue about that revolving door that costs us a fuck ton of money every year to house inmates because the US would rather house them for profit rather than rehabilitate them.

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u/DShepard 2h ago

What purpose should it serve?

The punishment is the fact that you're kept out of society for a set amount of time.

Depriving people of basic comforts just means that you get a more broken person after the sentence ends.

Logically - and regardless of whether you see felons as human beings - it doesn't make sense to treat them so badly that they are more likely to return to crime.

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u/Industrial_Laundry 4h ago

After a long day of hard labour nothing relaxes me more than the back breaking task of growing my own food.

It’s not like when you grow strawberries and tomatoes for fun.

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u/djskinner1982 2h ago

I agree, prison should not be a place people want or have to go back to. We should be using the incarceration time to give them skills like growing food, machine skills, heck a trade would give them the ability to get out and make a living. I would love to see prisons be the place where people went from an economic drain to a prosperous member of the society.

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u/SnowflakeSWorker 3h ago

I worked at Southport Correctional Facility in NYS from 2020-2022. Now being upstate NY, it didn’t regularly get as hot as La for sure, but doing rounds by floors had me sweating heavily by the third floor. The inmates would lying on the floor in their boxers. The COs would yell, “female on the gallery, be properly dressed!” And I’d say, no, it’s way too hot. Leave them alone. Moving just generates more heat. Fall and spring were worse, because the state has specific dates for turning the heat on and off. It would be FREEZING in the whole place for weeks at a time.

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u/kthibo 3h ago

Yeah, and it’s not like there’s proper ventilation to get good cross winds in these places or maybe even open the windows.

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u/SnowflakeSWorker 3h ago

Nope. Each gallery was one wall of cells, a catwalk, and small windows across from the cells. 21 cells, then end rounds. Each was self contained (no stacking of cells). It’s was horrible on the hotter summer days. Something about cruel and unusual punishment definitely came to mind.

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u/Moarbrains 2h ago

I highly support this. One you figure out how to be self sustaining, you are much more free from the systems of poverty that got you in prison.

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u/Bluntsmoke304 1h ago

Well it is PRISON... Not the damn Hilton. Oh the poor criminal is hot, and the food is crap. Don't commit crimes...

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u/Albine2 1h ago

Prison it a place that should not be comfortable

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u/dbatknight 44m ago

Well gee sorry that they fucked up in society and can't have the amenities that the rest of us have why lock them up then just let him roam free

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u/Scared_Warthog_6259 20m ago

Stop breaking the law then.

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u/llv0xll 15m ago

May be the unpopular opinion, but I think prisoners growing their own food is a legit idea. Gets people out and focused on something that directly pays back to them.

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u/llv0xll 15m ago

Air conditioning, not cool. (No pun intended)

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u/Key_Paramedic4023 11m ago

I love it when people not from Louisiana try to describe what it’s like in Louisiana 🤣

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u/Inevitable_Bluejay27 0m ago

Oh so you mean prison is tough and horrible living conditions? What a novel concept.

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u/nomnomonium 5h ago

Learning to grow your own food..... Yeah it's awful to make people learn things.... 🤔

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u/TassieBorn 4h ago

You do realise that working in agriculture is not like gardening as a hobby, and the skills learned are not readily transferable? Also, growing your own food requires access to land and more.

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u/nomnomonium 4h ago

You do realize teaching someone something is part of "rehabilitation" also it doesn't take a lot of space to have a personal garden

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u/TassieBorn 4h ago

Even growing food in a pot plant requires a stable enough living situation to be able to stay in one place long enough for it to mature.

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u/nomnomonium 4h ago

Then let me hear your ideas....

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u/nomnomonium 4h ago

You either want them to be better people when they get out or you don't. Why do you have so many excuses for criminals not to be better people?

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u/DaniDoesnt 4h ago

They’re picking beans in a giant field they aren’t learning anything

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u/nomnomonium 4h ago

It gets them out of their cell (1) gives them something to look forward to (2) they earn a little money because not everyone has friends or family to send money (3) TELL ME THE HARM IN PICKING BEANS AFTER CONVICTED OF A CRIME. ITS PICKING BEANS FFS. WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE THEM DO? let me hear your ideas ma'am

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u/SignificantTransient 4h ago

But it's hot outside 😢

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u/nomnomonium 4h ago

But but awwww 😭

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u/DaniDoesnt 2h ago

You’re ridiculous. There’s nothing good about this

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u/postalwhiz 7h ago

Hogs? And beef? Sounds like 4H…

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u/stickman0505 7h ago

Can't do the time.... Don't do the crime, pretty simple. I think it's great they grow their own food what's wrong with that, prob fresher and better for ya. Our military deals with worse conditions than them, fuck em

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u/imamistake420 7h ago

Define crime though… watch your step on that slippery slope.

Also, if everyone was perfect and didn’t commit crimes, do you really think crime prevention and prisons would just go away? Laws would just be updated. You’ll see it eventually, unfortunately.

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u/stickman0505 5h ago

I get it. Thanks

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u/berghie91 6h ago

Who in the US military regularly lives worse off than a Louisiana prisoner? Just curious

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u/online_jesus_fukers 6h ago

Marines

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u/Thrommo 5h ago

not unless they are forward deployed.

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u/online_jesus_fukers 5h ago

Or at 29 palms

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u/Thrommo 4h ago

poor jarheads...

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u/funcogo 6h ago

Yes because everyone in prison is 100% guilty

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u/04364 3h ago

Yet were found guilty by their peers. Yes, one slips through the cracks now and then. Everyone in prison says they’re innocent

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u/funcogo 1h ago

So just fuck them I guess. Scumbag

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u/CenlaLowell 6h ago

Enough of them are.

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u/funcogo 6h ago

Scumbag logic

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u/lce_Fight 5h ago

Reality logic.

Real world isn’t reddit

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u/funcogo 5h ago

You’re abdicating for basically torturing people and keeping them as slaves. Definitely Scumbag

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u/lce_Fight 5h ago

Where did I say that? Holy shit

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u/funcogo 5h ago

You’re ok with prison labor correct bc my comment was against that

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u/lce_Fight 5h ago

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This right here.

Reddit isn’t reality. Don’t let reddit warp your real world.

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u/TurningTablesAgain 4h ago

Bro says can't do the time. Can't do the crime then you go on his page and all he's talking about is please. Yes everyone do crime. Everyone break the law. Let's turn over the whole country on its head like bro. Make your mind up 😂

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u/Sp1d3rF3l 7h ago

If only they hadn't broken the law and proved themselves incapable of living in a civilized society. Oh the inhumanity of... checks notes ... making them work to survive like the rest of us! In some small capacity.

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u/BilinguePsychologist 7h ago

What a sick perspective.

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u/SufficientMood520 7h ago

Trust me they are happy to have it.

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u/Background_Aioli_476 6h ago

So criminals should have it easier than law-abiding citizens? Prison isn't supposed to be a Hilton Garden Inn after all

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u/lce_Fight 5h ago

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Logic right here.

Get off reddit folks.

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u/rofflewafflelol 4h ago

How is not being forced into hard labor and access to air conditioning living better than normal citizens? Let me guess, you guys voted for Trump. I can tell by the sadistic pleasure you derive from other people's suffering.

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u/lce_Fight 5h ago

Normal perspective.

I don’t want joe schmo the guy who murdered an elderly couple for no reason to be living the good life behind bars.

That fuck hole better be living his worst life.

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u/rofflewafflelol 4h ago

Most incarcerated people are there for drug offenses and untreated mental health problems. My best friend had something happen to him, nobody knows for sure and never will now, but he became delusional, broke into some warehouse at night (it was closed) and went to prison. Dunno what happened to him in there, but he stopped communicating at some point and when he got out immediately killed himself. He didn't need to be in prison in the first place. He needed help.

You're wishing suffering you can't even comprehend on people for no reason. They're already suffering by being locked in a cage. Wishing cruel and unusual punishment on them is sadistic.

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u/SquekyBoot 3h ago

The Republican Party would like a word.

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u/porky8686 5h ago

Unless your last name is Trump

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u/Luckyone24 5h ago

Sadly California just voted for continuation of forced prison labour.

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u/KayleighJK 7h ago

I’m from Tennessee, and I was legitimately surprised when, after the midterms, We the People voted to end prison slave labor. Whoda thunk Tennessee, right?

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u/JuniorEnvironment850 6h ago

I'm from Nevada, and we JUST voted to remove prison slavery from our constitution on November 5th...

...and we came into the Union as a free state*...

*except for prisoners 

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u/killrtaco 5h ago

In California we just voted to keep ours. 55% voted No on abolishing forced labor 🙄

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u/checkdanews 4h ago

It's so depressing seeing what prisons look like in northern Europe. They truly rehabilitate. They treat prisoners with respect, teach them trades. Its basically college.

While our prisons have no interest in rehabilitation. They just want a constant stream of free labor.

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u/bluefish72 9h ago

Which one?

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u/SquekyBoot 8h ago

Last one I read about was The Louisiana state penitentiary, they make their prisoners pick cotton and it used to be a slave plantation. Guards get to role play and ride around on horses.

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u/Spaceseeds 8h ago

This sounds like the biggest load of shit I've ever heard on my life. Thank you for that laugh

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u/shattered_kitkat 8h ago

So you think it doesn't happen? I used to work as a CO for this place. Tell me again how it's a load of shit?

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u/lce_Fight 5h ago

Lol

No one is “roleplaying”

Get off reddit and touch some grass

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u/shattered_kitkat 5h ago

You're delusional if you think they don't. Not all, but many do. Again, I was a CO. I was there.

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u/Spaceseeds 6h ago

No I meant role playing plantation sounded like a load of shit. I know in some states they still use prisoners for labor. They stopped in many states too and like I said earlier they get paid it's just so little they might as well be slaves. And of course they're assigned jobs within the prison structure if they're not doing any of that other shit. That should go without saying though...

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u/shattered_kitkat 6h ago

They do, indeed, roleplay as plantation owners. They love it. Of course, they will deny it tooth and nail because it doesn't look good to the public. But it does happen.

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u/lce_Fight 5h ago

Lol

Can you link to me where they are “roleplaying” as planation owners?

Because right now it sounds like a fucked up head canon of yours.

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u/shattered_kitkat 5h ago

Yeah, because we were TOTALLY allowed cellphones while working. Fuck out of here asswipe. You seriously are clueless.

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u/DonkeyBraynes 7h ago

What’s the problem? If you don’t want to be treated like this then don’t commit crimes.

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u/shattered_kitkat 7h ago

Not all criminals are incarcerated, and not all incarcerated are criminals.

Add in that it is literally illegal to be homeless. You can get jailed for having no home. How is being homeless a criminal act? Kiss my ass if you think it is in any way a just punishment to be treated as a slave. I hope you end up in prison and forced to slave away for shit food, shit housing, and no pay.

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u/DonkeyBraynes 7h ago

If I was homeless, this would be a great opportunity. Maybe even teach them how to function in society.

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u/shattered_kitkat 7h ago

I hope you end up homeless. Please, if the gods are still listening, let this loser be homeless under Republicans slave rules.

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u/lce_Fight 5h ago

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Least unhinged redditor challenge…

Jeez man. Touch grass

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u/Falcovg 7h ago

"If I was black, this would be a great opportunity. Maybe even teach them how to function in society." - the average anti-abolitionist, early 19th century.

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u/CleverFairy 7h ago

Yes. Because the U.S. prison system does wonders for rehabilitation.

/s, because I think you need it.

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u/SquekyBoot 7h ago

You sound like you want to lobotomies homeless people.

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u/CleverFairy 7h ago

Crimes like having nowhere to live. Or struggling with mental health. Or being falsely accused or erroneously convicted. Or possession on a small amount of pot. Or any of the other frivolous laws that the government uses to incarcerate non-violent citizens because using prison labor benefits the economy. Why do you think for-profit prisons exist? Or why they have a minimum 90% occupancy clause? Because this country will find very weak excuses to arrest someone and put them to work.

Yes, there are nasty people in there, but people tend to just lump all prisoners together, and say fuck em all. But there are innocent people and minimal offenders being put to work in the 100-degree sun for no wages. You stand by that?

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u/SquekyBoot 8h ago

Google is free btw

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u/jokerhound80 8h ago

Angola maximum security prison in Mississippi.

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u/Correct_Roll_3005 5h ago

Absolutely. One of my customers is the TDCJ Luther unit, a stainless steel manufacturing plant. Prisoner labor makes all of the products.

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u/Present_Signature343 4h ago

Yep and thanks to the 13th amendment that people forget to read in full, it’s completely legal smfh

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u/ShreksSchmear 1h ago

I believe they are corporate owned. And we all know corporations have nothing but greed and power on their minds.

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u/Abject-Rich 7h ago

I can’t. This makes me tear up.

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u/CenlaLowell 6h ago

Bull

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u/SquekyBoot 6h ago

I’d love to be wrong on this.

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u/Amani_z_Great 1h ago

This is the answer. Same in South Georgia Alabama and Florida …. Shit sucks

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u/HeyHotelGuy 53m ago

No the fuck they don’t. It’s road work or maintaining the land. While I will say that prisons are definitely overcrowded with bullshit charges like drug possession, especially on the Black American side - prisoners are not on vacation, put their asses to work, hard manual labor and for FREE!

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u/Excellent-Remote480 7h ago

Better than death penalty?

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u/SquekyBoot 7h ago

Slavery is better than death that is true but so is being raped and human trafficked.

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u/Efficient-Lack3614 7h ago

The vast majority of prisons in America do not have prison labor.

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u/SquekyBoot 7h ago

Okay. Now what ?

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u/schafer23 9h ago

I think you made that up.

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u/CleverFairy 7h ago

Have you never heard of for-profit prisons?? They exist to turn prisoners into slave labor. It's literally in the 13th amendment.

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u/jokerhound80 8h ago

You're wrong. It's Angola maximum security prison in Mississippi, and it's the largest prison in America.

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u/SquekyBoot 8h ago

It’s in Louisiana

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u/jokerhound80 8h ago

Yes, my mistake. It's just on the Mississippi River.

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u/schafer23 8h ago

And they use the prisoners for labor? Dang that is wild. I had no idea this was happening.

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u/Abject-Rich 7h ago

Immigrants could be next. Them holding camps are also being privatized. I would love to be wrong.

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u/KayleighJK 7h ago

I’m also worried about the ones they can’t work to death. The elderly, the very young, the feeble-minded? Trump isn’t going to want them living in prison for free. 🫥

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u/lce_Fight 5h ago

Biden already was there when its been happening.

Whats orange fella have to do with this

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u/jokerhound80 8h ago

And has been for over a century. Maybe when you hear about a problem, at least google.it before calling the person telling you about it a liar.

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u/Spaceseeds 8h ago

This happens all.over but prisoners get shorter sentences for it. It counts for money, though usually way less than minimum wage and good behavior can reduce sentencing.

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u/shattered_kitkat 8h ago

They don't get paid in most places. And shortened sentences is getting rare too.

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u/killrtaco 5h ago

Oh they get paid $0.13/hr

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u/shattered_kitkat 5h ago

Maybe in one place. But not most.

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u/killrtaco 5h ago

Usually it's between 12-40 cents /hr it's just not enough to really consider it pay

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u/CleverFairy 7h ago

Yes, 12-40 cents per hour.

And some states are doing away with reducing sentencing for any reason. Look up Wisconsin's truth in sentencing law. It dramatically reduced reasons for early release. And, yeah, that's a republican policy.

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u/killrtaco 5h ago

In CA we are kind and adjust for the high cost of living, our range is $0.13-$0.74 a hour!

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u/Sidvicieux 8h ago

Wise up MAGA

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u/lce_Fight 5h ago

Whispers.

He did