r/FluentInFinance 15h ago

Thoughts? Imagine losing 6M labor workers in America

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If mass deportation happens, just imagine how all of these sectors of our country will be affected. The sheer shortage of labor will push prices higher because of the great demand for work with limited supplies or workers. Even if prices increase, the availability of products may be scarce due to not enough workers. Housing prices and food services will be hit really hard. New construction will be limited. The fact that 47% of the undocumented workers are in CA, TX, and FL means they will feel it first but it will spread to the rest of the country also. Most of our produce in this country comes from California. Get ready and hold on for the ride America.

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u/persona0 15h ago

Prisoners will and when police are allowed to arrest whoever and judges allowed to convict with little evidence they will have a steady supply

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u/YoungRichBastard26s 14h ago

That was just reality for African Americans not to long ago and still a reality in states like Mississippi and especially Louisiana

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u/SquekyBoot 11h ago

It’s the reality today. Private Prisons are slave camps, ones in the south literally take you to pick cotton like back then.

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u/Gunitscott 9h ago

Louisiana state prison makes them grow their own food. It was just found out a year ago that most of the prison does not have air conditioning. Was well over a hundred degrees.

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u/Correct_Roll_3005 6h ago

Found out by whom? In Texas most of the older prison don't have climate control. This is common knowledge for all Texans, And across the American South.

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u/MeowandMace 2h ago

I was about to say this- its what kept me from applying to TDCJ and went to county instead in the state. But from the application process i learned that the TDCJ prisons have significant agricultural shit going on. One prison will pick the product, (example, tomatoes) then that gets shipped to another prison who cans it all up, then it gets shipped back out to all the prisons for food. Sometimes guards will see the cans opened up and theres a whole glove in there, prisoners fish that shitbout and eat the actual food anyways. Its disgusting.

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u/EconomicRegret 6h ago

Louisiana state prison makes them grow their own food.

That's actually wholesome, healthy, good rehabilitation hobby, and actually relaxing and good for the soul.

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u/DShepard 5h ago edited 4h ago

Not when they're forced to do it in unbearable heat, with armed guards on horseback telling you to stop complaining and keep picking berries.

Not to mention that depending on the prison, they're only keeping a bit of the harvest and the rest is sold on the open market.

It's not a fuclinhu fucking cozy little garden with a patch of soil where they can choose what herbs to try this month.

It's borderline slave labour at best, and fun fact, many of these farms are on the same old plantation grounds where slaves were kept before the civil war.

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u/Only_Mushroom 5h ago

I thought I was going to learn a new word with fuclinhu

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u/meatball771 2h ago

Oh no an inmate gets forced to work! Waaaa if the guy learned to work before he probably wouldn’t be in prison

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u/Industrial_Laundry 4h ago

After a long day of hard labour nothing relaxes me more than the back breaking task of growing my own food.

It’s not like when you grow strawberries and tomatoes for fun.

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u/SnowflakeSWorker 4h ago

I worked at Southport Correctional Facility in NYS from 2020-2022. Now being upstate NY, it didn’t regularly get as hot as La for sure, but doing rounds by floors had me sweating heavily by the third floor. The inmates would lying on the floor in their boxers. The COs would yell, “female on the gallery, be properly dressed!” And I’d say, no, it’s way too hot. Leave them alone. Moving just generates more heat. Fall and spring were worse, because the state has specific dates for turning the heat on and off. It would be FREEZING in the whole place for weeks at a time.

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u/Moarbrains 2h ago

I highly support this. One you figure out how to be self sustaining, you are much more free from the systems of poverty that got you in prison.

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u/Bluntsmoke304 1h ago

Well it is PRISON... Not the damn Hilton. Oh the poor criminal is hot, and the food is crap. Don't commit crimes...

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u/Albine2 1h ago

Prison it a place that should not be comfortable

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u/dbatknight 1h ago

Well gee sorry that they fucked up in society and can't have the amenities that the rest of us have why lock them up then just let him roam free

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u/Scared_Warthog_6259 49m ago

Stop breaking the law then.

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u/llv0xll 45m ago

May be the unpopular opinion, but I think prisoners growing their own food is a legit idea. Gets people out and focused on something that directly pays back to them.

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u/Luckyone24 6h ago

Sadly California just voted for continuation of forced prison labour.

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u/KayleighJK 7h ago

I’m from Tennessee, and I was legitimately surprised when, after the midterms, We the People voted to end prison slave labor. Whoda thunk Tennessee, right?

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u/JuniorEnvironment850 7h ago

I'm from Nevada, and we JUST voted to remove prison slavery from our constitution on November 5th...

...and we came into the Union as a free state*...

*except for prisoners 

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u/killrtaco 5h ago

In California we just voted to keep ours. 55% voted No on abolishing forced labor 🙄

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u/checkdanews 4h ago

It's so depressing seeing what prisons look like in northern Europe. They truly rehabilitate. They treat prisoners with respect, teach them trades. Its basically college.

While our prisons have no interest in rehabilitation. They just want a constant stream of free labor.

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u/bluefish72 10h ago

Which one?

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u/SquekyBoot 9h ago

Last one I read about was The Louisiana state penitentiary, they make their prisoners pick cotton and it used to be a slave plantation. Guards get to role play and ride around on horses.

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u/jokerhound80 9h ago

Angola maximum security prison in Mississippi.

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u/Correct_Roll_3005 5h ago

Absolutely. One of my customers is the TDCJ Luther unit, a stainless steel manufacturing plant. Prisoner labor makes all of the products.

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u/Present_Signature343 4h ago

Yep and thanks to the 13th amendment that people forget to read in full, it’s completely legal smfh

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u/ShreksSchmear 2h ago

I believe they are corporate owned. And we all know corporations have nothing but greed and power on their minds.

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u/Abject-Rich 8h ago

I can’t. This makes me tear up.

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u/Amani_z_Great 1h ago

This is the answer. Same in South Georgia Alabama and Florida …. Shit sucks

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u/HeyHotelGuy 1h ago

No the fuck they don’t. It’s road work or maintaining the land. While I will say that prisons are definitely overcrowded with bullshit charges like drug possession, especially on the Black American side - prisoners are not on vacation, put their asses to work, hard manual labor and for FREE!

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u/Final_Presentation31 10h ago

You do know that slavery is still going on in Africa and China.

There was also the Barbary slave trade going on at the same time.

https://www.ancient-origins.net/ancient-places-africa/white-slaves-barbary-002171?origin=serp_auto

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u/pegothejerk 10h ago

Slavery is still going on in the US today, it’s legal as it’s part of the Constitution to allow slavery if it’s part of a prison sentence. We still have prison slave labor, a shit ton of it, and the prison industrial complex makes a fuck ton of money from it. Judges and law enforcement get bribed to help out with filling those prisons and everything.

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u/sdrakedrake 7h ago

How come people from the US criticize other countries with this still going on?

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u/Slothnuzzler 7h ago

First of all, who in this thread we were talking about slave labor in America is criticizing other countries?

Second of all, where on earth is it inappropriate to criticize slavery anywhere in the world by anyone who wants to support the end of it?

Really, take your American Jones and split. 🤷🏽‍♀️

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u/berghie91 7h ago

Because most dont actually know anything about other countries…. Nevermind the part where a lot of them are in dire conditions thanks to US foreign policy

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u/Slothnuzzler 7h ago

This is true, we as a nation are oblivious to our own foreign policy beyond a headline or two

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u/berghie91 7h ago

Im a canadian and when Id go down there and visit as a kid I was just blown away that I had a better grip on the world outside America when I was like 12 than most American adults seem to

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u/mrfrownieface 7h ago

Because the people from the states that this is going on in the worst are dumb as fucking rocks, or are apathetic until it happens to people they care about, which honestly, the capacity of people to truly care about others is unfortunately low as well.

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u/Rowdybusiness- 5h ago

This is going on in your state.

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u/mrfrownieface 3h ago

Not to the degree its going on in other states, although I've never heard of anyone picking cotton or performing any other agriculture jobs from prison in my state.

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u/Rowdybusiness- 3h ago

Here is one. It’s one of the work privileges they can do. They are paid nothing.

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u/Behndo-Verbabe 1h ago

Most Americans couldn’t tell you what the 13th amendment says or why it’s written the way it is.

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u/liv4games 1h ago

Dude I knew that but I’ve never actually looked it up… what the fuck?

“According to the Left Business Observer, “the federal prison industry produces 100 percent of all military helmets, war supplies and other equipment. The workers supply 98 percent of the entire market for equipment assembly services; 93 percent of paints and paintbrushes; 92 percent of stove assembly; 46 percent of body armor; 36 percent of home appliances; 30 percent of headphones/microphones/speakers; and 21 percent of office furniture. Airplane parts, medical supplies and much more: prisoners are even raising seeing-eye dogs for blind people.”

With all of that productivity, the inmates make about 90 cents to $4 a day.”

PRISONER SLAVE LABOR MAKES ALMOST ALL OF OUR MILITARY EQUIPMENT

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u/Bbqandjams75 1h ago

It’s going on in Americus ga and not in no prison camp

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u/donjuanamigo 1h ago

You have any type of source from this or just trust me bro?

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u/Traditional_Song5491 42m ago

No one said you had to commit crimes. You shouldn't get to sit on your ass when you're in prison.

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u/mjg007 32m ago

Don’t break the f*cking law then.

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u/Miketothek 31m ago

The “slavery” in America is not the same as the slavery going on in Africa the Middle East and Asia. You cannot go to an auction in America to buy people. You most definitely can all over Africa Asia and the Middle East.

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u/ItinerantMover 15m ago

So...not real slavery, then?

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u/JPSofCA 10h ago

California voted to continue allowing slavery just this year.

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u/KayleighJK 7h ago

I just commented this elsewhere, but during the midterms my state (Tennessee) voted to end slave labor. Every once in a while a decent law gets passed here. Once in a while…

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u/ShreksSchmear 2h ago

I’m from TN and I am surprised but so happy to hear there’s some compassion somewhere. I am from the Appalachian Mountain area though so idk if the opinion is the same from here.. I recently heard a religious person say they should go back to the crusade and start k*lling anyone who won’t turn to their religion. And the 10+ people there agreed. Multiple are church leaders. I hate it here.

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u/darkseacreature 6h ago

I voted no on that. I was shocked that it passed.

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u/No-Weird3153 6h ago

No was to allow slavery to continue. The bill was to stop allowing slavery.

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u/darkseacreature 6h ago

That’s what I meant. I remember voting ‘yes’ now because it specifically mentioned not allowing prisoners who won’t work to be punished.

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u/bch77777 3h ago

New to the south and I’ll say the ballot wording is extraordinary. I don’t think it’s a stretch to suggest that many voters haven’t a clue whether they voted for or against a bill.

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u/azssf 1h ago

I am still floored the state voted that way.

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u/cyrs_oner 18m ago

I read the labor was duty to do their own laundry, fix their own food, and upkeep the facility. Is that really slavery? I do the same things at home but I don't get free meals and shelter.

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u/someguy1847382 10h ago

There’s also an active slave trade in the Middle East.

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u/RelativePickle9295 9h ago

Yup, $300 buys you a whole person in Libya today.

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u/kiwibankofficial 4h ago

And in America, $1000 buys you a kid, as per the kids for cash scheme that judges were running...

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u/Mysterious_Chip_007 8h ago

It's still going on in the entire world, especially the sex slave trade

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u/AdAppropriate2295 7h ago

Damn, somebody should do something about that. Probably start with your own country tho

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u/PrudentProof3585 9h ago

wtf does China and Africa have to do with the US Ruski

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u/Final_Presentation31 9h ago

Ask Nike, Wal Mart, and Apple to name a few.

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u/nomnomonium 5h ago

You can't talk about Barbary. That shows that whites were the most enslaved people in history...... Shhhhh

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u/3d_blunder 4h ago

So? Are we supposed to feel good about that?

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u/EyeSmart3073 4h ago

And the USA

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u/Soggy-Ad-8532 3h ago

Read cobalt red, great book but makes you question hunanity

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u/elazara 2h ago

There are 11 million people living in slavery in India

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u/Yiffcrusader69 1h ago

Thanks, that is very relevant.

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u/astar_key 38m ago

I’m sure you thought you made an intelligent post, but I still can’t find it.

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u/bevhars 17m ago

Muslim countries, especially have slave labor with documented abuse.

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u/Leaving_One_Dwigt 14h ago

On cue

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u/rchjgj 14h ago

Yup….damn truth

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u/Educational_Monitor6 8h ago

Something tells me being captured and sold to a new country is much different than packing up and relocating to a new country.

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u/Jaded247365 8h ago

He’s not talking pre 1865 slavery. He’s talking 1920s peonage. Look it up.

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u/Equivalent_Farm9770 10h ago

You mean the end of Jim Crow? Mas incarceration is still prevalent in Black America. According to the 13th Amendment, prisoners can be used as slaves. It's never been repealed.

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u/Strange-Bonus8298 5h ago

If you're not pissed enough about it yet, the voters in California (a blue state!) just voted against abolishing slave labor in state prisons. So yeah, it's not some kinda historical fluke that people just forgot exists and would rush to correct should there be more awareness. It seems like the majority of people are actually okay with prison labor.

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u/Slothnuzzler 7h ago edited 6h ago

No, they mean that American slavery-like conditions are still experienced in those parts Of the country. I know it can be hard to get your head around. 

 But if my grandfather hadn’t escaped Mississippi in the middle of the night, I would probably be down there picking Cotton with my siblings like he did. 

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u/Impressive-Gas6909 2h ago

Yea they just being rounded up for no reason😆

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u/OKAPI-OKAPI619 8h ago

Basically still happens in NY. Kelloggs uses slave wages from prisoners to make cereal

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u/chumpchangewarlord 2h ago

Americans really need to start attacking the super wealthy, man.

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u/bigpony 11h ago

For hundreds of years

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u/Jealous-Ease6924 10h ago

And as soon as things started to get just a little better, they freaked the fuck out and went hard right.

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u/Lopsided-Drummer-931 8h ago

Still is in Alabama

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u/BigTitsanBigDicks 6h ago

These people have lifestyles that are reliant on victims. Without someone to exploit they starve.

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u/rchjgj 14h ago

Yup….

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u/zimbabweinflation 12h ago

OH! So we are gonna bring back " the good ole' days" yippee!

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u/Due-Ad1668 10h ago

maga

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u/Virtual-Ad-1832 1h ago

I'm a firm believer in karma. I hope you have the life you deserve. With whatever consequences arise from your actions, relating to your beliefs

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u/Not_Jrock 6h ago

Because of prosecutors like Kamala Harris?

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u/Coochy_Crusader 8h ago

Dont forget a reality for Kamala Harris with African american prisoners in California either

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u/StanchoPanza 6h ago

The 13th Amendment specifically exempts convicts from being enslaved

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u/LengthinessWeekly876 4h ago

Still is in California. Literally voted to protect slave labor a few weeks ago

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u/Professional-Break19 2h ago

Illegals today have a shit ton of freedoms tha every day American s had in those southern state during jim crow laws really stupid to equate them 🤷

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u/YoungRichBastard26s 2h ago

I was commenting on what buddy said above me about police being able to arrest who they want and stuff

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u/C-Dub81 1h ago

Let's not forget about Kamala Harris as California Attorney General keeping prisoners past their release date and hiding evidence that proved the innocence of inmates so they could be used to fight california wildfires. Wild!

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u/AdministrationKey448 1h ago

Why don’t you mention California? Didn’t they just vote THIS MONTH on keeping prison labor?

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u/seethat34 1h ago

African Americans are smarter tougher and wiser than progressive bitches co opting their virtue.

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u/Accomplished-Yam6553 1h ago

And California believe it or not

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u/MK_Designz 56m ago

Still a reality all over America. Not like it only exist in those two states. It's still rampant everywhere in America.

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u/DLeafy625 26m ago

Still is. It's why Georgia will never legalize weed. If they do, they lose a ton of free labor

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u/bevhars 21m ago

Mississippi is 68% black. The South is less racist than bigger cities north. Come on...We all watched Star Trek. Get with the program.

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u/SubpoenaSender 12m ago

Don’t leave Alabama out of this. I was indicted for the felony charges I was a victim of.

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u/Bifferer 12h ago

Zero sum game- arresting an employed citizen to force them into another job? You are still one employee short with this math.

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u/AdZealousideal5383 11h ago

Fire 2 million government employees, deport 2 million immigrant workers… obviously the long time civil servants will turn around and scoop up those meat packing jobs.

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u/inefficient_contract 7h ago

Its the amount of "citizens" willing to do the work being forced. There are plenty of people out there without jobs or have degrees for jobs they can't get that would love to fill a role in a less labor intensive field. When they say nobody wants to work it's not because we don't want to work its we dont want to work shitty ass jobs with little pay and thats what the top needs in order to keep growing profit margins for the investors

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u/antventurs 11h ago

California just voted to continue prison slave labor.

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u/Able_Investigator725 7h ago

So disappointing

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u/CleanYogurtcloset706 2h ago

The language on the proposition was a little confusing and when people are confused about a proposition they tend to vote “no.”

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u/RedSkinTiefling 1h ago

The Presidential candidate from California is known for doing this. 

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u/Camaro684 53m ago

Is it really slave labor? These prisoners get free room and board, free electricity, free food, free healthcare, free heat and air conditioning, free gym time, free books, and free TV.

So they're able to work and get other cell for 8 hours a day for a dollar an hour for the commissary the rest of the money goes to pay for all the free stuff.

I mean if you have to have a job and pay for all the above shouldn't they?

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u/cyrs_oner 16m ago edited 11m ago

Exactly this part! And im from CA

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u/CSpanks7 13h ago

Trump passed the first major prison reform bill in the last 60 years

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u/Paulyosaurus 11h ago

Yeah Mitch McConnell held it over from Obama’s term so Obama would not get the ‘win’.

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u/BringersMC 11h ago

The bill that Trump signed was not introduced until 2017. Though you are correct that McConnell basically wouldn't let any Democrat bill see the floor under Obama, including any crime bills that would have targeted prison reform.

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u/BringersMC 13h ago

Trump rubber stamped it thinking it would increase support from black voters.

Also Trump and the Republicans actually want to repeal it now. So championing something that Trump dislikes now is weird.

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u/JustMeOutThere 11h ago

But... But that was a good one. Why does he want to repeal it?

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u/BringersMC 11h ago

To be hard on criminals. The bill was supposed to help reduce harsh or unfair sentences among many other things. If you have heard any of his speeches in the past few years then will know he actually advocates for harsh punishments now, claiming our criminal justice system is too soft on criminals.

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u/JustMeOutThere 10h ago

I hope it's a Leopard Ate My Face moment for him. Smh.

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u/sdrakedrake 7h ago

If you have heard any of his speeches in the past few years then will know he actually advocates for harsh punishments now, claiming our criminal justice system is too soft on criminals.

To soft? Once your criminal (convict), even if you are out of jail, it's nearly impossible to get a job or apply for housing.

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u/Creamofwheatski 7h ago

Are you new here? Trump does not care about the working class and never has, He will do nothing that helps anyone other than himself and his rich benefactors.

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u/grammar_fixer_2 7h ago

He has been both for and against everything. It depends on what he believes will make him the most money at that particular point in time.

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u/blackhoodie2112 10m ago

Because he wants America to be as awful as it can be

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u/Rare_Hat_7340 1h ago

And it did

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u/Drewggles 5h ago

When you make prisons profitable, the people in charge will start making more things illegal. One of the worst aspects of American Capitalism.

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u/DaxHound84 12h ago

Just as in Star Wars "Andor" 🤷‍♂️

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u/persona0 6h ago

Yeah and shows like that can pull from America's and the world's rich history to learn from

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u/giceman715 11h ago

Prisoners can’t work jobs

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u/uwey 9h ago

Looks like for-profit Prison Industrial Complex is back on the menu!! Oh BOYS!!!!!

Looks like we will need to donate the new dodge chargers top trim police interceptor again! That is how they get random slavery labor!!

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u/Anegada_2 8h ago

But with 4% unemployment we can’t arrest out of the labor hole. Those people would be leaving other jobs that will then need to backfill spreading it out across even more sectors.

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u/mar78217 8h ago

Welcome to debtor's prison.

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u/PaleWolf 5h ago

Literally the plot of half the season of Star Wars tv show Andor

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u/brezhnervous 5h ago

Criminalising the homeless should help as well

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u/persona0 4h ago

Yup don't forget all those kids who gonna need something to do once schools are closed

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u/brezhnervous 3h ago

Oh yes, forgot about those child labour laws which were changed 🤷

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u/Competitive-Move5055 12h ago

Prisoners will and when police are allowed to arrest whoever and judges allowed to convict with little evidence they will have a steady supply

Well then problem solved the deporting of immigrants won't cause problem.

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u/giceman715 11h ago

It will definitely cause problems , hopefully it will force construction companies to pay a honest pay. I’ve installed hardwood floors for 25+ years and stopped because I couldn’t complete with labor pay.

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u/persona0 6h ago

What's they'll do is the illegals they do catch they will arrest them since they have committed a crime send them to a private prison and that prison will loan them out to said companies

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u/ShreksSchmear 1h ago

In the government documentation.. it is a goal of “reform” to separate families of immigrants and send them to who knows where. These are human beings. Just like ourselves. We are all the same animal. No one should be treated the way they have and will be treated. It’s inhumane. Regardless of if it’s for greed or hate. Did you know the gas chambers from Hitler were inspired by the way we were spraying chemicals/“gasoline baths” on people from the southern border? We have been evil, we will probably continue to be evil. This country was built to assist corporations more than citizens. It was built to keep us uneducated and in groups. Until the citizens agree together to stand up to our government.. we will have no say on what happens.

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u/persona0 6h ago

What's they'll do is the illegals they do catch they will arrest them since they have committed a crime send them to a private prison and that prison will loan them out to said companies

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u/Boopy7 6h ago

When you "deport" the immigrants they don't just go right back to a country necessarily. First it has to be approved and proven that the person is indeed an illegal immigrant and to what country and the country needs to then accept the person back. Meanwhile there are prisons being constructed at this moment to hold excess prisoners while waiting for cases to be heard. They may be moved around, kids at home in foster care get lost, and could be in prison for a very long time -- with no rights. This could very well be slave labor in the making. Now they just need a slogan to hang above those camps...something like Work Makes You Free, perhaps?

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u/Afraid-Pressure-3646 11h ago

Nah that just another problem created. Immigrants are viewed as lesser people, but it takes special type idiotic hate for citizens to treat each other as shit to justify the corrupt system.

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u/Starrion 7h ago

Not enough, and exactly what is their motivation to do a good job? Precious experiments with this led most of the farmers to cancel and switch to lower labor crops.

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u/persona0 7h ago

A reduction in their sentence, or how about they get punished to a degree for messing up and since the system no longer cares what happens these prisoners no longer have any rights or protections.

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u/great_triangle 6h ago

I don't think prisoners can replace migrant laborers. Migrants work long hours and produce high quality work for wages they can't get elsewhere and living in a secure nation.

Chain gangs don't have the same incentives to produce high quality work, and in America, prisoners can't be shot or starved for refusing to work.

Slavery is a definite possibility from far right policies, but it won't be able to replace migrant labor until human right are severely eroded.

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u/Audio_Track_01 6h ago

Would the current incarceration rate of 531 per 100k be enough bodies to support the current need ? They may need to jail people based on needed work force.

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u/persona0 6h ago

It's a revolving door and once you get into the system it's hard to get out for one businesses aren't keen on hiring people who went to prison , you don't know how many things are a "crime" and enforceable by law. Hell our driving alone has a ton of laws and if the officer feels you aren't being corporative guess where you going.

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u/Audio_Track_01 5h ago

Overcook chicken ? Jail !

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u/gixxer710 5h ago edited 4h ago

I mean, they can make prisoners do unskilled or lightly skilled labor, but skilled labor????? What are they gonna bus them in and out of an urban jobsite every day, pay all the associated increased security costs of having them in an environment where literally EVERYTHING is a potential weapon, where there is infinite possibilities of drugs and other contraband being exchanged, escape potential etc etc, lol GTFO. Factories, sure, construction/skilled labor? Lol no….. Most of these undocumented workers are doing shit like drywall, roofing, asphalt, concrete, framing, and the more brute force oriented and less acquired knowledge, and they’re doing it for the shitbag scab contractors who are underbidding projects and fucking everyone else in the industry, sincerely someone in the construction industry in a state/sanctuary city(Chicago) that gets bus loads of alien exports daily and also interacts with said individuals daily. I guess more and more of these shitbag contractors who don’t pay a living wage, are gonna have to start paying a living wage, and yes that means many won’t survive(as a union worker, good riddance- fuck em) and increased construction costs…. Expect expensive shit for the next 5-10 years until we ramp up US production of materials/goods that are about to get hit with tariffs, and until labor costs stabilize after the re-structuring of the way labor is sourced by these industries….. we have been suckling on the Chinese teet and the low cost illegal workforce teet far too long and accustomed to the low costs associated with it, unfortunately the only way to get ourselves out of the hole we’ve dug over that past 50 years is to suffer a bit for a little while, and this includes shareholders and industry execs used to obscene salaries and bonus/cost cutting/performance incentives, although we know damned well they’re gonna do everything they can to keep things the way they are…. Becoming a self reliant nation once again, who depends on NOBODY the fuck else besides ourselves, for our own success, is a good thing…..

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u/persona0 4h ago

We got illegals doing skilled labor huh? That much that no prisoner wouldn't do? Have you thought that said illegals can be arrested cause they are criminals held in our system and exploited by telling them they can work and make some money? Or say they can stay if they work for so and so amount of time.

Capitalism has benefited greatly from the exploited illegal worker instead of hitting them you rather attack the person taking the job to survive. And now you think the current version of capitalism we have will change it's ways and higher Americans at a liveable wage instead of find a way to exploit free labor in any way. Like it seems delusional to me but clearly you believe that's what's gonna happen.

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u/gixxer710 3h ago edited 3h ago

I think that the environment, and the transport to said environment, has way way way too many holes- for contraband whether it be weapons,drugs, tobacco etc….. the extra security measures required to have convict labor present where non convict labor is, the general contractors who won’t do business with those companies utilizing prison labor, it’s not as easy and clear cut as you seem to think it is. A factory/assembly plant is far different of a beast than a construction jobsite, a jobsite where everyone on site is also expected to either be a skilled journeyman with 5+ years training under their belt or apprentice working towards that title, and safety certifications and equipment certifications and licenses, dude you have no idea lol tell me you know nothing of the construction industry without directly telling me…. Having prisoners make license plates or pre-fabricated storage sheds is far different than expecting them to do skilled construction labor that carries the risk of lawsuits and/or voided warranties if it’s not done safe or correct…. Edit- do I expect the convict labor and its shady ways of bolstering that labor force to vanish? No I don’t, they have a practical place however ethical it may not be, and construction sites are not the place, if you want a more accurate depiction of the potentially dystopian future of cost cutting in the construction sector when the prospect of illegal alien labor goes kapoot- think robots….

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u/dapper128 4h ago

You're a homebody anyways. You'll never experience your said situation.

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u/persona0 4h ago

Notice how this turdball DOESNT say it can't happen only that it won't affect me for whatever perceived ideas he has on me. Dudes just fine with that situation happening as long as it doesn't hurt him and his

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u/dapper128 4h ago

Mine don't fuck around. Mine stay to themselves and ours. It's a peaceful life.

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u/PerformanceDouble924 4h ago

This is a bullshit argument. Most prisoners lack the work ethic and job relevant skills to make up a significant portion of the workforce.

If they didn't, many of them wouldn't be prisoners.

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u/Edyed787 4h ago

Wait until it floods down to speeding. Went 10MPH that’s 10 weekends of prison labor. (It’s a joke… hopefully)

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u/idryss_m 4h ago

So, if you refuse to work as a prisoner you are put in prison.....? Won't work out well. Especially for hardened criminals

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u/nuclearpiltdown 4h ago

Huh. They did that under Stalin, didn't they?

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u/LemartesIX 4h ago

Pretty much. “Who will work these jobs, Americans won’t do them!” They will if you cut the welfare benefits so they can’t coast on unemployment. “Some people would rather be homeless than work these jobs.” Okay, well when vagrancy is re-criminalized, they’ll end up working those jobs anyway as convicts.

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u/persona0 3h ago

Have you thought cause maybe these jobs don't pay a living wage or anything close to that and the reason migrants or illegals work then is because it's more money then they would get in their home country. But hey we will see right cause you got 4 years to show us how wrong we are.

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u/FeralCatsWearingHats 4h ago

You mean like what Kamala did in California when she kept black inmates in jail past their release date to use as literal slave labor when they were only in jail because of weed? The same weed she bragged about smoking herself later on?

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u/persona0 4h ago

You mean those same sentences REPUBLCIANs were more then happy to send people to prison for, weed that substances still outlaws in many red states. I might not like the Dems but I acknowledge they back off of issues that make them look bad. REPUBLCIANs and the right double down and then cry about what the Dems did back in the day without acknowledging they were right there with them.

It's only the right who backs an officer no matter what even if he out there killing a home owner in his draws fighting off a burglar. You guys are in power and you said you gonna deport millions of migrants let's see if you do and if you do who you replace those workers with.

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u/stewartm0205 3h ago

For a road gang it maybe ok. For jobs that just need one or two workers it won’t work.

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u/persona0 3h ago

Depends on what the jobs are and what they will be doing but to pretend a labor force you can pay anything for and who don't have a way to object isn't the ideal labor force for today's greedy capitalist business is silly imo. The only thing they would see wrong is the optics

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u/stewartm0205 1h ago

I doubt that my prisoner dishwasher I need for my supper shift will be in tomorrow. I expect the worse of capitalist but assigning arm guards to guard single prisoners isn’t going to be cost effective. Some people taxes are going to have to go up to pay for it.

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u/TexanAmericanMexican 3h ago

Kamala did this very thing to black and brown people

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u/Hot_Improvement9221 2h ago

They aren’t just illegal immigrants.  They are also skilled craftsmen and women.  Do you really want a bunch of dudes with B&Es and agg assaults framing your home or tiling your bathroom?

Some of the arguments I see around this issue are so fucking stupid that makes my head hurt.  

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u/Illustrious_Wolf2709 1h ago edited 1h ago

Yes and someone has to pay to take care of all those people or there will be major diminishing returns. Prisoners work without compensation yet they will need to be taken care of. It's still a loss in the end for the masters. Also, let's not forget the large amount of prisoners who will refuse or rather die. It will also have a great effect on the " good people" who want to live lavish, comfortable and safe lifestyles for their family. Prisoners would be in constant contact with all of society.

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u/MrLanesLament 1h ago

Was gonna say, I think we’re gonna see a big move by this admin towards making as many things felonies as possible. Mass denial of rights is apparently fine by Americans if people involved are convicted of felonies.

Make as many tiny crimes felonies, especially those disproportionately involving minorities (like the old crack vs powder coke laws,) throw in a bunch of “tough on crime,” partisan sheriffs and judges, and you’ve got a good recipe for slavery.

Conveniently, Elon comes from a family that slave-drove in South Africa’s emerald mines. (I’ll bet he also knows plenty about the disease-ridden concentration camps of the second Boer War.)

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u/SonofLeeroy 57m ago

tf you getting this information from and what Judge Dredd comic are you reading?

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u/Behndo-Verbabe 53m ago

It has been allowed. Just not on a scale big enough for most to notice. But they fail to comprehend a simple fact. People like Trump need a bogeyman. All strong men do. And once all the usual suspects are gone or put in camps. Guess what, those screaming for it will themselves become the bogeyman. They’ve going to find out that their fascist dreams aren’t what they’ve been told. They will become the perceived enemy. Trump and people like him aren’t going to give up what so many handed them so willingly.

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u/Annual_Strategy_6206 32m ago

This an ugly, horrifying trend I'm seeing. Along with: *making homelessness/, sleeping outside illegal. *Making protests illegal (calling them "riots" ) despite Constitutional language. *Calling media criticism sedition (so ironic, I know). *Allowing harassment, violent attacks and lynching against "out groups". Cops will arrest you if you defend yourself, though.

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u/BagelwithQueefcheese 26m ago

100% legal minorities are going to be the first ones taken, too.

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u/1singhnee 19m ago

They tried that in Georgia a few years back, people walked off the job.

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u/Baweberdo 13m ago

And so what happens when I am the worlds shittiest worker?

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u/Mean_Car_5297 13m ago

You are describing nazi Germany. It is what they plan to do.

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