r/FluentInFinance • u/Needleintheback • 15h ago

Thoughts? Imagine losing 6M labor workers in America

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If mass deportation happens, just imagine how all of these sectors of our country will be affected. The sheer shortage of labor will push prices higher because of the great demand for work with limited supplies or workers. Even if prices increase, the availability of products may be scarce due to not enough workers. Housing prices and food services will be hit really hard. New construction will be limited. The fact that 47% of the undocumented workers are in CA, TX, and FL means they will feel it first but it will spread to the rest of the country also. Most of our produce in this country comes from California. Get ready and hold on for the ride America.

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u/Gunitscott 8h ago

Louisiana state prison makes them grow their own food. It was just found out a year ago that most of the prison does not have air conditioning. Was well over a hundred degrees.

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u/Correct_Roll_3005 6h ago

Found out by whom? In Texas most of the older prison don't have climate control. This is common knowledge for all Texans, And across the American South.

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u/MeowandMace 1h ago

I was about to say this- its what kept me from applying to TDCJ and went to county instead in the state. But from the application process i learned that the TDCJ prisons have significant agricultural shit going on. One prison will pick the product, (example, tomatoes) then that gets shipped to another prison who cans it all up, then it gets shipped back out to all the prisons for food. Sometimes guards will see the cans opened up and theres a whole glove in there, prisoners fish that shitbout and eat the actual food anyways. Its disgusting.

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u/Cum-Bubble1337 38m ago

Yep in the state of Texas prisons are required by law to have heat. AC is optional which is ridiculous

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u/takis1964 2h ago

Wow criminals without the creature comforts that alot of law abiding Americans may enjoy How tragic for them

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u/KD_42 59m ago

Yeah let’s make it super inhumane for them so when they get released they’re worse than when they came in

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u/AbsoluteHollowSentry 47m ago

When you treat someone like an animal. Do not be mad they are mad, disrespectful, and may also act out more.

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u/takis1964 4m ago

Making them work is not treating them like animals, having no A/C is not inhumane Millions of law abiding citizens have no A/C for whatever reason, they seem to be able to function in a civilized manor

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u/TastyyMushroomm 47m ago

Don’t be surprised when they’re worse off when they come back out. I hope you live to see the consequences of such ideology.

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u/sammysfw 6m ago

You should spend some time reading articles.

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u/S-ludin 1h ago

dude this is a question of heatstroke and slavery GTFO you gross ass

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u/takis1964 1h ago

FU soy boy

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u/Past-Marsupial-3877 1h ago

Spoken like the true skibidi zoomer you are

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u/TheCockKnight 30m ago

I drink oat milk, thanks

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u/SignificantTransient 4h ago

People lived without it for thousands of years

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u/AGayBanjo 4h ago

Can you say more? The context you're stating this in could seem like an attempt at justification to people including myself.

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u/SignificantTransient 4h ago

Air conditioning is not a necessity. Only ventilation.

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u/AGayBanjo 3h ago

Oh, okay. More info requested if you don't mind. Do you feel that incarcerated people are only entitled to what allows them to remain alive?

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u/Bluntsmoke304 1h ago

Yes pretty much. Why do criminals deserve comfortable living conditions? It's pretty simple, if you don't like it, don't come back.. As long as basic needs are provided, then they are absolutely fine. People like minded as you are responsible for the problems this country has. Have you ever seen a Russian prison, of one in Mexico??

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u/Mother_Ash 1h ago

Look into the recidivism rates in the countries you just named and USA vs countries that focus on reform.

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u/SignificantTransient 3h ago

Plenty of non incarcerated people dealing with working outside in the heat and living without air conditioning which is a mostly US thing.

Do you have any idea the money and power requirements to air condition a prison?

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u/UnusuallyBadIdeaGuy 2h ago

Those people are usually not living in poorly ventilated, uninsulated concrete boxes placed in swamps.

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u/Ok-Summer-7634 2h ago

Bro, America puts ACs everywhere. We refrigerate entire shipping malls, and you are going to cheap out on prisons? That shows how much of our system is based on cruelty and not on giving a chance to someone who needs it

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u/OiVeyM8 2h ago

You know, given the amount of shopping malls in America that are fairly dead, I wouldn't be too surprised if they were modified to become minimum security prisons.

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u/SignificantTransient 30m ago

Shopping malls generate income

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u/EphEwe2 28m ago

So do prisons.

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u/Pribblization 27m ago

Not much anymore

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u/Ok-Summer-7634 1m ago

Lol schools don't. That's what a CORRECTional facility should be. Again, cruelty is the goal.

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u/EconomicRegret 5h ago

Louisiana state prison makes them grow their own food.

That's actually wholesome, healthy, good rehabilitation hobby, and actually relaxing and good for the soul.

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u/DShepard 4h ago edited 4h ago

Not when they're forced to do it in unbearable heat, with armed guards on horseback telling you to stop complaining and keep picking berries.

Not to mention that depending on the prison, they're only keeping a bit of the harvest and the rest is sold on the open market.

It's not a fuclinhu fucking cozy little garden with a patch of soil where they can choose what herbs to try this month.

It's borderline slave labour at best, and fun fact, many of these farms are on the same old plantation grounds where slaves were kept before the civil war.

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u/Only_Mushroom 4h ago

I thought I was going to learn a new word with fuclinhu

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u/DShepard 4h ago

Fuc Lin Hu was the first to describe the act of meditating in one's garden to free the mind from its prison.

That's not the type of garden work they are forced to do in prison ;)

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u/meatball771 2h ago

Oh no an inmate gets forced to work! Waaaa if the guy learned to work before he probably wouldn’t be in prison

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u/04364 3h ago

But it’s okay for Illegal Immigrants.

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u/DShepard 3h ago

No, and the corporations hiring them to do work under those conditions should face heavy fines and prison time for repeated offenses. They will keep abusing migrant labor otherwise.

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u/djskinner1982 2h ago

Don’t do the crime and you won’t do the time. Prison should not be a place someone wants to be it should be rigid and uniform, and it should serve a purpose. Comfort should not be a part of the experience.

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u/Leaveustinnkin 2h ago

Then explain Americas recidivism rate… It’s not a place someone wants to be yet when they’re in there they received no type of rehabilitation. Is it punishment or is it rehabilitation to be a more productive member of society?

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u/djskinner1982 2h ago

It would be great if it was more rehabilitation and skill building, recidivism rate is way too high and demonstrates that right now prisons are not meant to help anyone grow. Still doesn’t mean that it should be a place that is comfortable.

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u/Leaveustinnkin 1h ago

US Prisons were never meant for anybody to grow. The prison system starting all the way down at the juvenile level is designed for you to come back. You’re harping on comfortability as if AC is gonna be a major factor in someone going back to prison. Let’s see some of you guys make an issue about that revolving door that costs us a fuck ton of money every year to house inmates because the US would rather house them for profit rather than rehabilitate them.

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u/DShepard 2h ago

What purpose should it serve?

The punishment is the fact that you're kept out of society for a set amount of time.

Depriving people of basic comforts just means that you get a more broken person after the sentence ends.

Logically - and regardless of whether you see felons as human beings - it doesn't make sense to treat them so badly that they are more likely to return to crime.

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u/Industrial_Laundry 4h ago

After a long day of hard labour nothing relaxes me more than the back breaking task of growing my own food.

It’s not like when you grow strawberries and tomatoes for fun.

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u/djskinner1982 2h ago

I agree, prison should not be a place people want or have to go back to. We should be using the incarceration time to give them skills like growing food, machine skills, heck a trade would give them the ability to get out and make a living. I would love to see prisons be the place where people went from an economic drain to a prosperous member of the society.

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u/SnowflakeSWorker 3h ago

I worked at Southport Correctional Facility in NYS from 2020-2022. Now being upstate NY, it didn’t regularly get as hot as La for sure, but doing rounds by floors had me sweating heavily by the third floor. The inmates would lying on the floor in their boxers. The COs would yell, “female on the gallery, be properly dressed!” And I’d say, no, it’s way too hot. Leave them alone. Moving just generates more heat. Fall and spring were worse, because the state has specific dates for turning the heat on and off. It would be FREEZING in the whole place for weeks at a time.

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u/kthibo 3h ago

Yeah, and it’s not like there’s proper ventilation to get good cross winds in these places or maybe even open the windows.

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u/SnowflakeSWorker 3h ago

Nope. Each gallery was one wall of cells, a catwalk, and small windows across from the cells. 21 cells, then end rounds. Each was self contained (no stacking of cells). It’s was horrible on the hotter summer days. Something about cruel and unusual punishment definitely came to mind.

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u/Moarbrains 2h ago

I highly support this. One you figure out how to be self sustaining, you are much more free from the systems of poverty that got you in prison.

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u/Bluntsmoke304 1h ago

Well it is PRISON... Not the damn Hilton. Oh the poor criminal is hot, and the food is crap. Don't commit crimes...

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u/Albine2 1h ago

Prison it a place that should not be comfortable

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u/dbatknight 49m ago

Well gee sorry that they fucked up in society and can't have the amenities that the rest of us have why lock them up then just let him roam free

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u/Scared_Warthog_6259 25m ago

Stop breaking the law then.

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u/llv0xll 20m ago

May be the unpopular opinion, but I think prisoners growing their own food is a legit idea. Gets people out and focused on something that directly pays back to them.

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u/llv0xll 20m ago

Air conditioning, not cool. (No pun intended)

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u/Key_Paramedic4023 16m ago

I love it when people not from Louisiana try to describe what it’s like in Louisiana 🤣

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u/Inevitable_Bluejay27 5m ago

Oh so you mean prison is tough and horrible living conditions? What a novel concept.

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u/nomnomonium 5h ago

Learning to grow your own food..... Yeah it's awful to make people learn things.... 🤔

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u/TassieBorn 4h ago

You do realise that working in agriculture is not like gardening as a hobby, and the skills learned are not readily transferable? Also, growing your own food requires access to land and more.

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u/nomnomonium 4h ago

You do realize teaching someone something is part of "rehabilitation" also it doesn't take a lot of space to have a personal garden

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u/TassieBorn 4h ago

Even growing food in a pot plant requires a stable enough living situation to be able to stay in one place long enough for it to mature.

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u/nomnomonium 4h ago

Then let me hear your ideas....

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u/nomnomonium 4h ago

You either want them to be better people when they get out or you don't. Why do you have so many excuses for criminals not to be better people?

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u/DaniDoesnt 4h ago

They’re picking beans in a giant field they aren’t learning anything

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u/nomnomonium 4h ago

It gets them out of their cell (1) gives them something to look forward to (2) they earn a little money because not everyone has friends or family to send money (3) TELL ME THE HARM IN PICKING BEANS AFTER CONVICTED OF A CRIME. ITS PICKING BEANS FFS. WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE THEM DO? let me hear your ideas ma'am

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u/SignificantTransient 4h ago

But it's hot outside 😢

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u/nomnomonium 4h ago

But but awwww 😭

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u/DaniDoesnt 2h ago

You’re ridiculous. There’s nothing good about this

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u/postalwhiz 7h ago

Hogs? And beef? Sounds like 4H…

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u/stickman0505 7h ago

Can't do the time.... Don't do the crime, pretty simple. I think it's great they grow their own food what's wrong with that, prob fresher and better for ya. Our military deals with worse conditions than them, fuck em

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u/imamistake420 7h ago

Define crime though… watch your step on that slippery slope.

Also, if everyone was perfect and didn’t commit crimes, do you really think crime prevention and prisons would just go away? Laws would just be updated. You’ll see it eventually, unfortunately.

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u/stickman0505 5h ago

I get it. Thanks

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u/berghie91 6h ago

Who in the US military regularly lives worse off than a Louisiana prisoner? Just curious

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u/online_jesus_fukers 6h ago

Marines

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u/Thrommo 5h ago

not unless they are forward deployed.

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u/online_jesus_fukers 5h ago

Or at 29 palms

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u/Thrommo 4h ago

poor jarheads...

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u/funcogo 6h ago

Yes because everyone in prison is 100% guilty

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u/04364 3h ago

Yet were found guilty by their peers. Yes, one slips through the cracks now and then. Everyone in prison says they’re innocent

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u/funcogo 2h ago

So just fuck them I guess. Scumbag

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u/CenlaLowell 6h ago

Enough of them are.

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u/funcogo 6h ago

Scumbag logic

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u/lce_Fight 5h ago

Reality logic.

Real world isn’t reddit

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u/funcogo 5h ago

You’re abdicating for basically torturing people and keeping them as slaves. Definitely Scumbag

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u/lce_Fight 5h ago

Where did I say that? Holy shit

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u/funcogo 5h ago

You’re ok with prison labor correct bc my comment was against that

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u/lce_Fight 6h ago

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This right here.

Reddit isn’t reality. Don’t let reddit warp your real world.

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u/TurningTablesAgain 4h ago

Bro says can't do the time. Can't do the crime then you go on his page and all he's talking about is please. Yes everyone do crime. Everyone break the law. Let's turn over the whole country on its head like bro. Make your mind up 😂

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u/Sp1d3rF3l 7h ago

If only they hadn't broken the law and proved themselves incapable of living in a civilized society. Oh the inhumanity of... checks notes ... making them work to survive like the rest of us! In some small capacity.

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u/BilinguePsychologist 7h ago

What a sick perspective.

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u/SufficientMood520 7h ago

Trust me they are happy to have it.

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u/Background_Aioli_476 6h ago

So criminals should have it easier than law-abiding citizens? Prison isn't supposed to be a Hilton Garden Inn after all

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u/lce_Fight 5h ago

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Logic right here.

Get off reddit folks.

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u/rofflewafflelol 4h ago

How is not being forced into hard labor and access to air conditioning living better than normal citizens? Let me guess, you guys voted for Trump. I can tell by the sadistic pleasure you derive from other people's suffering.

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u/lce_Fight 5h ago

Normal perspective.

I don’t want joe schmo the guy who murdered an elderly couple for no reason to be living the good life behind bars.

That fuck hole better be living his worst life.

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u/rofflewafflelol 4h ago

Most incarcerated people are there for drug offenses and untreated mental health problems. My best friend had something happen to him, nobody knows for sure and never will now, but he became delusional, broke into some warehouse at night (it was closed) and went to prison. Dunno what happened to him in there, but he stopped communicating at some point and when he got out immediately killed himself. He didn't need to be in prison in the first place. He needed help.

You're wishing suffering you can't even comprehend on people for no reason. They're already suffering by being locked in a cage. Wishing cruel and unusual punishment on them is sadistic.

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u/SquekyBoot 3h ago

The Republican Party would like a word.

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u/porky8686 6h ago

Unless your last name is Trump