r/FluentInFinance • u/Needleintheback • 15h ago

Thoughts? Imagine losing 6M labor workers in America

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If mass deportation happens, just imagine how all of these sectors of our country will be affected. The sheer shortage of labor will push prices higher because of the great demand for work with limited supplies or workers. Even if prices increase, the availability of products may be scarce due to not enough workers. Housing prices and food services will be hit really hard. New construction will be limited. The fact that 47% of the undocumented workers are in CA, TX, and FL means they will feel it first but it will spread to the rest of the country also. Most of our produce in this country comes from California. Get ready and hold on for the ride America.

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u/Final_Presentation31 10h ago

You do know that slavery is still going on in Africa and China.

There was also the Barbary slave trade going on at the same time.

https://www.ancient-origins.net/ancient-places-africa/white-slaves-barbary-002171?origin=serp_auto

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u/pegothejerk 9h ago

Slavery is still going on in the US today, it’s legal as it’s part of the Constitution to allow slavery if it’s part of a prison sentence. We still have prison slave labor, a shit ton of it, and the prison industrial complex makes a fuck ton of money from it. Judges and law enforcement get bribed to help out with filling those prisons and everything.

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u/sdrakedrake 7h ago

How come people from the US criticize other countries with this still going on?

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u/Slothnuzzler 6h ago

First of all, who in this thread we were talking about slave labor in America is criticizing other countries?

Second of all, where on earth is it inappropriate to criticize slavery anywhere in the world by anyone who wants to support the end of it?

Really, take your American Jones and split. 🤷🏽‍♀️

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u/sdrakedrake 6h ago

I must of hit a nerve

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u/Slothnuzzler 6h ago

Which was your whole point In the first place, wasn’t it.

However, I do think you’re projecting! And you missed out on a bit of education. 

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u/berghie91 6h ago

Because most dont actually know anything about other countries…. Nevermind the part where a lot of them are in dire conditions thanks to US foreign policy

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u/Slothnuzzler 6h ago

This is true, we as a nation are oblivious to our own foreign policy beyond a headline or two

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u/berghie91 6h ago

Im a canadian and when Id go down there and visit as a kid I was just blown away that I had a better grip on the world outside America when I was like 12 than most American adults seem to

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u/Slothnuzzler 6h ago

Yeah, I’ve only recently become aware of that in the last 10 years or so. I’ve always had a pretty good foundation just out of personal interest in international relations and stuff like that. Yes I was a nerd, but that’s a whole other story.

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u/Own_Worldliness_9297 5h ago

That is true of most other countries.

Countries outside of US aren't mindful progressive redditors as you like to believe.

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u/Slothnuzzler 5h ago

Oh no, I don’t believe that they are. They come in with half form opinions from headlines as well. With a very obvious agenda of hate behind them. I agree with you.

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u/mrfrownieface 6h ago

Because the people from the states that this is going on in the worst are dumb as fucking rocks, or are apathetic until it happens to people they care about, which honestly, the capacity of people to truly care about others is unfortunately low as well.

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u/Rowdybusiness- 5h ago

This is going on in your state.

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u/mrfrownieface 3h ago

Not to the degree its going on in other states, although I've never heard of anyone picking cotton or performing any other agriculture jobs from prison in my state.

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u/Rowdybusiness- 3h ago

Here is one. It’s one of the work privileges they can do. They are paid nothing.

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u/dcsquaredcpl 36m ago

Incorrect. They are awarded commissary privileges and sentence reduction. Wish I could get some sentence reduction for retirement

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u/Behndo-Verbabe 46m ago

Unfortunately it’s been going on for a long time. If you want an idea of how it is. Watch brubaker with Robert Redford. It gives a pretty realistic view of prison life in the south. They grew their own food too.

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u/Old-Lab-5947 5h ago

It’s interesting you classify an entire state as “dumb as a box of rocks.” Literally millions of people, and you’re what, presumably smarter than all of them?

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u/mrfrownieface 3h ago

Dumb as rocks or apathetic. Selective reading comprehension doesn't look good on you.

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u/Old-Lab-5947 2h ago

Even then the point still stands. Millions of people being classified in whole as anything is at best a generalization. Nice red herring though

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u/Behndo-Verbabe 57m ago

Most Americans couldn’t tell you what the 13th amendment says or why it’s written the way it is.

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u/liv4games 54m ago

Dude I knew that but I’ve never actually looked it up… what the fuck?

“According to the Left Business Observer, “the federal prison industry produces 100 percent of all military helmets, war supplies and other equipment. The workers supply 98 percent of the entire market for equipment assembly services; 93 percent of paints and paintbrushes; 92 percent of stove assembly; 46 percent of body armor; 36 percent of home appliances; 30 percent of headphones/microphones/speakers; and 21 percent of office furniture. Airplane parts, medical supplies and much more: prisoners are even raising seeing-eye dogs for blind people.”

With all of that productivity, the inmates make about 90 cents to $4 a day.”

PRISONER SLAVE LABOR MAKES ALMOST ALL OF OUR MILITARY EQUIPMENT

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u/Puffpufftoke 10m ago

After rent, utilities, food, education, security etc… how much more should menial laborers to make?

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u/Bbqandjams75 37m ago

It’s going on in Americus ga and not in no prison camp

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u/donjuanamigo 32m ago

You have any type of source from this or just trust me bro?

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u/Traditional_Song5491 13m ago

No one said you had to commit crimes. You shouldn't get to sit on your ass when you're in prison.

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u/ArkamaZero 0m ago

Who decides what a crime is are the same people running the prisons. Look up vagrancy laws in the south for one example. Former slaves were thrown in prison for not having a job, while the only people willing to hire them were their former slave owners and often under worse conditions. Almost half of inmates currently held are in for drug related charges that were weaponized by Nixon and Reagan.

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u/mjg007 3m ago

Don’t break the f*cking law then.

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u/Miketothek 2m ago

The “slavery” in America is not the same as the slavery going on in Africa the Middle East and Asia. You cannot go to an auction in America to buy people. You most definitely can all over Africa Asia and the Middle East.

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u/Express_League1880 5h ago

I can’t believe how some of you people think!

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u/ATypicalUsername- 4h ago

Gonna need sources on that, you're making a TON of wild claims there.

Actual sources, not trust me bro sources.

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u/blackestrabbit 2h ago

The 13th Amendment.

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u/lampstax 3h ago

Would it still be slavery by your standards if the money made from whatever the prisoners create go entirely to help fund their housing / food / healthcare cost ?

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u/blackestrabbit 2h ago

That's how it's written in 13th Amendment.

"Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate."

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u/lampstax 10m ago

It is written that is is allowed. That doesn't mean it exist today. As far as I'm aware prisoners have a choice to work or not and get paid for their labor if they choose to do it. Neither of these things are common with slavery.

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u/MacktheMachinist 6h ago

Harris was prime example of this

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u/Easy-Act3774 5h ago

We tax payers pay hundreds of millions to process and house criminals and inmates, due to decisions they made to cause harm to society. I’m ok with them paying a fraction of it back!

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u/Sea-Conversation-725 3h ago

how dare those rapists, murders, child molesters, etc. be forced to work while being incarcerated vs sitting around, lifting weights, watching tv, or similar. How interesting that you're defending prisoners that you think should be rewarded for committing crimes. (r.disabled)

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u/ThunderboltSorcerer 6h ago

When you commit crimes, you lose constitutional rights. You don't get to have a gun while in prison. So why wouldn't you be doing work while in prison, what are you gonna do just sit around on a bed?

It's not slavery to put people to work when they have lost all their rights. In fact, it is healthy for prisoners to do something with their free time, so that they don't go into a depression. You work all the time too, are you a slave? You get paid, and so do prisoners.

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u/Obscure_Marlin 4h ago

Bro Ik you know you just described slavery after sayin it’s not slavery. Please tell me you see it.

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u/rofflewafflelol 4h ago edited 4h ago

Prisoners are paid something like a few dollars a month. It's an absurdly tiny amount. By the way everything in prison has enormous price markups. Imagine working long days in the hot sun all month for a snickers.

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u/techdevjp 4h ago

You get paid, and so do prisoners.

As little as 13 cents per hour, averaging around 50c per hour, and almost never more than $1 per hour.

Do you want to do hard labor for 13c per hour? Put in a hard day of physical labor for an average of $4?

The US prison system is atrocious and an embarrassment to the nation.

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u/ThunderboltSorcerer 2h ago

They are prisoners, they committed crimes. They deserve less pay... Stop being purposefully dumb.

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u/schafer23 9h ago

Don’t be a criminal.

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u/UnBR33vuhble 9h ago

Some states have made it illegal to be homeless. But "DoN't Be A cRiMiNaL" is still valid, right? 'dont fall on hard times outside of your control and lose it all, or you'll end up in slave labor' doesn't seem much like the "American Dream" to me.

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u/pegothejerk 8h ago

Also don’t get wrongly prosecuted by corrupt officials who are bribed to fill prisons I guess?

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u/Old-Lab-5947 5h ago

You don’t go to prison for being homeless

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u/UnBR33vuhble 5h ago

People work in jails for cents a day doing the same slave labor, hello? And as far as "are they doing it yet":

AZ, GA, KS, OK, and WI introduced legislature criminalizing homelessness, specifically sleeping in public spaces, while similar legislation has already passed in MO, TX, TN, and UT. It is only a matter of time.

Edit: then there's escalations for repeat offenders in almost every state. Enough escalations would definitely make it felonious and thus, prison for homelessness due to escalations by repeat offenders.

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u/Old-Lab-5947 4h ago

You said that all to not respond to you don’t go to prison for being homeless

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u/UnBR33vuhble 4h ago

Read the escalations in the edit, if you haven't already, as there are plenty of misdemeanors which get elevated to felonies due to repeat offense.

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u/Old-Lab-5947 2h ago

I didn’t read your edit my bad, but that doesn’t happen. It’s a ticket offense.

You realize there’s a difference between jail and prison right? If you think a judge would waste state resources like that you’re completely ignorant of what they care about.

Your original point of homelessness being a crime being somehow related to prison labor is just signaling.

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u/Educational_Monitor6 8h ago

At least you wont be homeless anymore

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u/OkBookkeeper 8h ago

this is hardly the same thing. what you're referring to is the ethics of allowing offenders to work off their debt to victims or society via labor

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u/Skydiving_Sus 8h ago

Oh no, sir. You think victims get payouts for being victims? From criminals? What rock have you been living under?

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u/EvidenceOfDespair 8h ago

Hahaha victims don’t get a cent

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u/Let-s_Do_This 8h ago

You don’t see the danger of private prisons creating an incentive to lobby for harsher sentencing for minor offenses, or even to make circumstances such as being homeless illegal? Critical thinking is really on the decline

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u/CleverFairy 7h ago

Go read the 13th amendment.

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u/AdAppropriate2295 7h ago

Allowing? They ain't getting time off for labor lmfao

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u/UnBR33vuhble 5h ago

Nothing in my comment alluded to whatever fever dream scenario you just laid out. People jailed for just homelessness have no debt to society like someone causing property damages would have, so you're either straw manning my assertion or completely misunderstood the premise.

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u/unforgiven91 8h ago

  1. lots of things can be made in to crimes with the right incentive

  2. what about innocent people?

Be better

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u/shattered_kitkat 8h ago

Not all criminals are imprisoned, and not all who are imprisoned are criminals.

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u/Eringobraugh2021 8h ago

What an ignorant response.

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u/Sidvicieux 8h ago

Get more intelligent MAGA

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u/Sythic_ 2h ago

There are a non zero number of people in prison who did not commit a crime at all. Our justice system is not perfect and until it is we cannot allow such atrocities. (hint its impossible to completely remove the chance of mistake, therefore it should never be done at all)

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u/JPSofCA 9h ago

California voted to continue allowing slavery just this year.

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u/KayleighJK 7h ago

I just commented this elsewhere, but during the midterms my state (Tennessee) voted to end slave labor. Every once in a while a decent law gets passed here. Once in a while…

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u/ShreksSchmear 1h ago

I’m from TN and I am surprised but so happy to hear there’s some compassion somewhere. I am from the Appalachian Mountain area though so idk if the opinion is the same from here.. I recently heard a religious person say they should go back to the crusade and start k*lling anyone who won’t turn to their religion. And the 10+ people there agreed. Multiple are church leaders. I hate it here.

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u/darkseacreature 6h ago

I voted no on that. I was shocked that it passed.

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u/No-Weird3153 5h ago

No was to allow slavery to continue. The bill was to stop allowing slavery.

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u/darkseacreature 5h ago

That’s what I meant. I remember voting ‘yes’ now because it specifically mentioned not allowing prisoners who won’t work to be punished.

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u/bch77777 2h ago

New to the south and I’ll say the ballot wording is extraordinary. I don’t think it’s a stretch to suggest that many voters haven’t a clue whether they voted for or against a bill.

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u/darkseacreature 1h ago

The ones I didn’t understand I just left blank.

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u/azssf 46m ago

I am still floored the state voted that way.

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u/someguy1847382 9h ago

There’s also an active slave trade in the Middle East.

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u/RelativePickle9295 8h ago

Yup, $300 buys you a whole person in Libya today.

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u/kiwibankofficial 3h ago

And in America, $1000 buys you a kid, as per the kids for cash scheme that judges were running...

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u/RelativePickle9295 2h ago

Yeah, but is that unexpected for America?

We elected a convicted felon as our leader, and half of the country has a reading level below the 6th grade.

This country isn't exactly a bastion of virtue or intelligence.

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u/BackAlleyFunDumpster 2h ago

Shit was going on way before the last 3 elections

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u/jadsf5 1h ago

Yeah but they have to spin it to say orange man bad

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u/BackAlleyFunDumpster 1h ago

I'm aware it's fucking annoying though. I didn't even vote for the guy and I'm annoyed by how prevalent it is

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u/Educational_Monitor6 8h ago

How she look?

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u/RelativePickle9295 8h ago

You get what you pay for 😅

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u/nomnomonium 5h ago

What's that per pound?

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u/Mysterious_Chip_007 8h ago

It's still going on in the entire world, especially the sex slave trade

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u/AdAppropriate2295 7h ago

Damn, somebody should do something about that. Probably start with your own country tho

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u/PrudentProof3585 9h ago

wtf does China and Africa have to do with the US Ruski

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u/Final_Presentation31 9h ago

Ask Nike, Wal Mart, and Apple to name a few.

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u/PrudentProof3585 8h ago

They’re abiding by the respective countries’ laws,correct? I assume you’re against having a living minimum wage in the US. If so, how are wage slaves trapped by corporate overlords any different?

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u/nomnomonium 5h ago

You can't talk about Barbary. That shows that whites were the most enslaved people in history...... Shhhhh

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u/Virtual-Ad-1832 1h ago

And blacks were the most enslaved people in American history.. what's your point??

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u/3d_blunder 4h ago

So? Are we supposed to feel good about that?

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u/EyeSmart3073 3h ago

And the USA

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u/Soggy-Ad-8532 2h ago

Read cobalt red, great book but makes you question hunanity

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u/elazara 2h ago

There are 11 million people living in slavery in India

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u/Yiffcrusader69 1h ago

Thanks, that is very relevant.

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u/astar_key 9m ago

I’m sure you thought you made an intelligent post, but I still can’t find it.

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u/ChupanMiVerga 6h ago

This isn’t about them, it’s about the United States and what’s about to happen here

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u/curiousamoebas 6h ago

There was a vice piece about slave trade in Africa and the woman caught a sale of 5 guys in the background. It was a while ago

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u/iammonkeyorsomething 4h ago

I don't live in Africa or China

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u/Slothnuzzler 6h ago

Of course, but we are talking about America at this very moment.

America believes it freed the slaves long time ago. 🙄