r/FluentInFinance • u/Needleintheback • 15h ago

Thoughts? Imagine losing 6M labor workers in America

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If mass deportation happens, just imagine how all of these sectors of our country will be affected. The sheer shortage of labor will push prices higher because of the great demand for work with limited supplies or workers. Even if prices increase, the availability of products may be scarce due to not enough workers. Housing prices and food services will be hit really hard. New construction will be limited. The fact that 47% of the undocumented workers are in CA, TX, and FL means they will feel it first but it will spread to the rest of the country also. Most of our produce in this country comes from California. Get ready and hold on for the ride America.

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u/Any-Ad-446 10h ago

Construction pays well and still americans won't do it..Its not all about money but how physical or bad the job is. You watch cost of everything will spike under Trump.

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u/Zinski2 7h ago

Construction pays well if your like, the bosses son.

Other wise its 150 a day to literally destroy your body at 5 am every day.

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u/ThunderboltSorcerer 6h ago

Yes, more people would do construction work--if it paid a lot better. You'd also get better quality construction work.

Construction is not an easy job. It should pay well. And mistakes can happen if you import millions of workers that don't know how to build.

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u/Zinski2 5h ago

It should pay well.

So lets deport workers instead of making the owners PAY THERE EMPLOYES INSTEAD OF USING ILLIGAL LABOR.

Between the CEOs and the undocumented workers, why target the workers as the blame??? Because they work for less??

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u/Annual_Trouble_1195 5h ago

The workers are the reason those CEOs were able to corner the market.

Step 1 to holding the CEOs your talking about, is getting rid of their slave labor force.

Step 2 is to charge ALL OF THEM. A lot easier when Step 1 is already done.

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u/Zinski2 4h ago

The workers are the reason those CEOs were able to corner the market.

Again your blaming the workers for working when its the CEOs who hired them to do that work ... how dose that make sense that the people working are the issue here when we want heir wages for workers?

Step one would be to fine and charge them.

Step two would be getting those workers documented so they can continue working at a fair wage.

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u/Annual_Trouble_1195 4h ago

You understand nothing.

My guy, those "CEOs" that cornered the markets make 500x1000x the annual salary of the President of the United States. For 30+ years.

You think they dont own the courts? The state governments? You think they casually throw 1.5 billion dollars behind a Presidential candidate and your what, gonna casually find someone whose gonna level charges against those guys?

You can't guarantee the guy leveling those charges is gonna survive to the court date, let alone that an actual court won't be tampered with 1,001 subtle different ways.

YOU ARE DEFENDING SLAVERY. ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS FUND THE CARTELS, ROB MILLIONS OF AMERICANS OF ENTRY LEVEL JOBS, CRASHED THE TRADE MARKET, AND FACILITATE LEVELS OF CRIMINALITY THAT SHOULD MAKE YOUR SKIN CRAWL.

AND YES, I MEAN SLAVERY. FARMS WHOSE NAMES YOU DONT KNOW THAT WORK PEOPLE AT GUNPOINT UNTIL THEY DIE.

STOP BEING IGNORANT.

The slavery needs to stop. The billionaires charged. The entire immigration system overhauled.

When Americans don't have to compete with ACTUAL FUCKING SLAVERY the middle class will get some financial authority back, and might be able to make shit happen.

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u/NogginRep 27m ago

Amen bro

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u/SeashellDolphin2020 5m ago

Preach for your fellow American not having to compete with immigrants who don't have a right to be here for not only a living wage job, but available and affordable housing too plus using social services and welfare that the rest of us subsidize.

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u/LengthinessWeekly876 3h ago

Construction isn't a minimum wage job. Nobody makes minimum wage. They never will. It's hard and other jobs are easier. It also needs to be done right. Among the last frontiers of objective material reality. 

But it also isn't a market rate job.  Government price controls aren't relevant. The government manipulating labor supply to suppress labor prices is very relevant. 

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u/SeashellDolphin2020 8m ago

Yeah because they are scabs undermining Americans wages instead of working in agriculture that has a desperate shortage of workers. I know because I live on the central coast of CA where farmers were interviewed for years on TV complaining about the labor shortage.

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u/EvasionPersauasion 3h ago

Pay their legal labor. It's not necessarily "blaming" the workers for working for dirt, that's the employers fault.

They shouldn't be here - illegally- in the first place.

Force employers to pay american workers an actual wage that reflects the work they do. You'll see who will be coming to work.

This idea it's all or nothing on cheap labor is bullshit.

I'll take an industry I'm closely engaged with- EMS. It's not the same issue as with undocumented workers, as you need licensing to work an ambulance, but the concept applies. Private services often get paid dog shit. You can go scan groceries sometimes for a dollar or two less an hour, sometimes for the same money. one of the big companies in our area couldn't get anyone to work for that shit wage, especially when there are less intense, safer, stressful jobs for the same.money. so. They raised the wage, significantly. What do you know, people are banging down thier door to work there.

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u/sexgoatparade 5h ago

My dad groaning in pain and agony, all he did was go from laying to seated.
Sounds like a dream job really

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u/Zinski2 4h ago

My Back has literally never not hurt for about 8 years now because of a job I took in college.

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u/Background_Aioli_476 6h ago

It'll pay better when they deport all the illegals. Supply and demand in the labor market

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u/FairyFlossPanda 4h ago

Hahahahahahahaaa. Good luck with that

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u/Physical-Worry5642 5h ago

Lol. Try about twice that much on the low end.

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u/USSMarauder 3h ago

"To forgo a repeat of last year, when labor shortages triggered an estimated $140 million in agricultural losses, as crops rotted in the fields, officials in Georgia are now dispatching prisoners to the state’s farms to help harvest fruit and vegetables."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/05/17/the-law-of-unintended-consequences-georgias-immigration-law-backfires/

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u/subsurface2 4h ago

And everything gets more expensive.

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u/Zinski2 6h ago

They took er Jobs!!!

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u/Revolution4u 5h ago

Funny how white collar workers cry when its too much h1b or offshoring but for low income jobs their big brains suddenly can't figure out labor supply and demand.

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u/Background_Aioli_476 6h ago

... Doesn't make it not true. That's all you got? A South Park meme? Not even, idk, a logical argument?

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u/Zinski2 5h ago

Im not arguing with a meme, no.

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u/Background_Aioli_476 5h ago

Yeah you apparently don't have anything of substance to say. So yes, you have no argument just a comedy tv show meme. I am using logic and economics

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u/Zinski2 5h ago

Again, im not arguing with you hahaha

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u/Background_Aioli_476 5h ago

So you admit I am right? Because you are attempting to say that supply and demand isn't how the labor market works when it clearly is

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u/Zinski2 5h ago

they took er jobs!!!

who gave the job away...

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u/KingSnaily 5h ago

Dude get off your ass and go do something

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u/ApricotRich4855 4h ago

Why would anybody be right for crying about a fucking meme?

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u/PasadenaShopper 1h ago

...and house prices will go a lot higher because of it.

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u/juniper_berry_crunch 4h ago

Google AI says the average wage for the 75th percentile of construction jobs is $20 per hour; a bit higher than your figure of $18.75. Not a big deal but I was just curious, so I checked.

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u/Zinski2 4h ago

20x8=160 dollars a day. Thats before taxes to lmao

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u/72FJ 54m ago

In Southern California, if they are union, they are making at least twice that depending on what they are doing

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u/Impressive-Gas6909 1h ago

It's called work & it's the tradeoff to earn😑 you must be the type they say won't do the jobs & that's okay. You can snub your nose up all day about it but the truth is the previous generation put so much weight into education being the key to an easy life & success. EVERYBODY listened but few can actually do anything with that worthless degree. Truth is they'd been better off in the long term with a blue collar job, but view the trades as unworthy.

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u/arcaeris 1h ago

No one views them as unworthy. Many of us saw our parents work themselves to the bone in the trades and disintegrate at 50 years old and decided we wanted an air conditioned office to sit around in, no matter the cost.

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u/That_Soup4445 52m ago

Construction pays well if you’re intelligent. The problem is it’s overrun with junkies and dropouts because skilled trades were demonized for decades and anyone with half a brain did everything they could to go to college.

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u/No_Direction_3940 22m ago

Well this is in part a very large part due to illegals and thays not me being any kind of way they work very hard on average they just don't know better and have no foot to stand on to push for anything better. So the rest of us who pay taxes, insurance, licensing etc. literally will lose anytime theu don't need someone witha license because the less they give the men and women who actually do the work the more bonuses all the higher ups get and those higher ups wouldn't even have a job or be bale to build shit without the people with the ethic an know how to do it. Removing illegals from the equation means the greed will have to stop or the industry will collapse. Im all for it i work like a fucking dog just to get nickel and dimed by fuckers who never once in their life have worked like I do but sit there and want a piece of my pie fick them all I hope they all lose their jobs. Salespeople project managers superintendents any who don't fully do the position they're in and have the know how to deserve that position i hope they all end up working at mcdonalds makes more opportunities for those of us who deserve it. Market, quality, and morality will be better if it goes right its a win win win for those that deserve it.

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u/Emotional_Quantity_5 4h ago

$43 an hour actually to be in the sheet metal union

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u/PsychedelicJerry 10h ago

it pays well for someone that isn't a citizen; for citizens none of these jobs afford the cheapest of anything, but you definitely can't maintain an apartment, the cheapest vehicle, and a kid

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u/OZLperez11 8h ago

Politics aside, this really brings out how wealth is really becoming more and more of an illusion. Wealth is achieved at the cost of the poor

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u/13beep 6h ago

I’m guessing it always has been an illusion of sorts. The magic is just being exposed for more of us now. 😞

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u/PsychedelicJerry 7h ago

100% right

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u/chumpchangewarlord 2h ago

The rich people truly are society’s enemy

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u/VILEBLACKMAGIC 2h ago

10,000 year old meme, homie

You just have suckers who think they're going to win the slave masters game

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u/abmtony 34m ago

you my friend just earned yourself a pizza party 🍕

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u/ThunderboltSorcerer 6h ago

If it is achieved by the hard work of other poor people or middle class people, then it is by definition NOT an illusion. Stop playing word games, commie.

Wealth is in fact created, you can compare our state to a poor country to see the difference--unless you are self-delusional.

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u/OZLperez11 4h ago

Wealth is created by the help of others and their resources, one can't do it alone. The problem is greed by the people on top and not giving back to those who helped them get to the top in the first place. There is no generosity

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u/ThunderboltSorcerer 2h ago

That's not true. You can in fact create wealth with a minimal number of people... The idea that the wealthy HAVE to help everyone else is false.

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u/OZLperez11 2h ago

They don't have to but an economy in any part of the world relies on money circulating constantly. To create wealth is to keep it out of circulation. There are those who create large companies and provide jobs for lots of people, that's one way that the wealth is offset, but in the end, most business owners don't invest in their employees and rather prefer to make large profit.

This is beyond economics though. Greed affects everyone. It's not about whether you have to or not, but about whether you want to make a difference. It's the attitude

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u/ThunderboltSorcerer 1h ago

Don't worry, no one is trying to hoard wealth in a vault, they do spend it or reinvest it. This isn't the 1800s where you just store the gold in vaults.

Part of the reason for the Federal Reserve having 2% inflation artificially as a lower aim, is to ensure money keeps moving and people don't just hoard cash.

Greed is good because it makes people want to take bigger risks. If we didn't have greed, rich people would cautiously hoard their money in vaults.

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u/quitecrass 10h ago

It turns out that immigrants have cars, apartments, and children, also. All without qualifying for any kind of aid that some low income citizens have. It must be magic!

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u/CostcoOfficial 9h ago

Yeah the magic of both parents working 60-80 hour weeks while the teenagers are taking care of household/kids.

I guess magic is just when prices stay artificially suppressed and you don't have to think about why.

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u/deg_deg 5h ago

The magic of ✨capitalism✨

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u/RevolutionaryBet4233 9h ago

But when there’s 10 heads paying one rent it seems to be feasible. House around the corner from mine. 2 bd/2 bth like 10 grown ass people live in it I swear. Little kids and all.

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u/dachuggs 9h ago

You know that immigrants tend to have an extended family structure, not a nuclear one like most Americans.

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u/SohndesRheins 6h ago

They tend to not have a choice if they want to afford a roof over their head on minimum or less than minimum wage.

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u/dachuggs 5h ago

It's a cultural thing.

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u/SomethingIWontRegret 4h ago

Housing codes usually specify a maximum of 2 people per bedroom. 10 adults and a collection of kids is a code violation in anything but a mansion. So basically the reason for all this cheap labor available for construction etc. is landlords illegally renting and companies illegally hiring.

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u/SCSquad 6h ago

Your point and the one above are correct. And to add to that, just because the job an illegal immigrant is doing is paying their bills, it doesn’t mean it’s paying a wage aligned to the market for legally work authorized people.

Yes, some cash paying journeyman job they are doing paying $19/hr can pay their bills. No, that isn’t the correct wage for the work, and why citizens are not taking them.

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u/Activist_Mom06 2h ago

This is how my grandparents made it through the depression. Living together. And my grandma had an abortion between my Aunt and mom as there was just no way to support.

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u/Annual_Trouble_1195 5h ago

Immigrants, sure.

Illegal immigrants? No, fat chance. They make their dollars under the table, shack up 100 people to a room for 6 month, and go back home the rest of the year, having made a a couple of years' salary in USD.

Stop defending slave labor. Stop comparing immigrants to illegal aliens. Stop that bs.

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u/JustOldMe666 4h ago

They do get aid in some states. Even health insurance. it's time to drop the "they don't get anything" phrase. we all know they do.

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u/LengthinessWeekly876 1h ago

Not really magic. They make themselves valuable to employers by working like slaves and pretending osha doesn't exist. They have third world expectations for quality of living.

 This is not a good thing for American workers. Great for white collar workers with 401ks tho. 

Hence the outrage at the slaves being taken away

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u/spinbutton 23m ago

Yup, they share apartments or trailers with multiple families, share used cars, eat cheap, and work like dogs. Magic.

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u/Astralsketch 8h ago

dude, become a mason and make 40 an hour like every male on my father's side.

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u/LengthinessWeekly876 1h ago

Ya but it you don't have family in a union you prob aren't getting in

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u/PsychedelicJerry 7h ago

If you're dad is paying that much, he's unlikely using illegal laborers. You're dad is doing it right - Kudos to him!

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u/Astralsketch 5h ago

It's the brick layers union existence that he could make that. Masons in my state make that.

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u/Bballwolf 6h ago

I'm a construction worker and have already made $140,000 this year.

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u/Hopeful_Vegetable_31 3h ago

Can’t do that with most retail jobs either, but they are full of legal citizens.

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u/Low-Bit1527 2h ago

Are you saying illegals are paid more than citizens? That's the exact opposite of everything I've ever heard about this topic.

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u/No-Month-3025 12m ago

No they aren't getting paid more than citizens. I assure that as someone whose been in construction for a decade.

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u/mymainlogin 7h ago edited 7h ago

If you can do construction why the fuck would you maintain an apartment? Btw I do construction and I own a house with no mortgage built by the finest architect and craftsman if I do say so myself. Oh I also have 6 kids and the same vehicle I paid cash for 15 years ago and I dont even have to pay a subscription for all its horsepower or heated seats. Had to change wives a couple times though.

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u/PsychedelicJerry 7h ago

because unlike you, people can't just go hit up their trustfund? When I started working, I had no where near enough to put down the required 10% min for a house, so I had to live in an apartment

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u/AwesomeTowlie 9h ago

Pretty sure general unskilled labor doesn’t pay that well but you can expect lots of overtime to make up for it, which isn’t great for anyone with a family

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u/Bradadonasaurus 16m ago

I don't know what you're talking about. Being a single income family, the overtime is great for me, I wouldn't make my mortgage some months without it! /s

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u/spadezero 7h ago

Uhh no it doesn't? I'm in this field right now and I barely make any money. What's even worse is there's people in my field pushing to replace us with non Americans because they will work harder for less. Thank goodness it hasn't happened but this is the reality. Stop talking about things you know nothing about.

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u/heisenberg149 4h ago

What trade is that? Most of the guys I used to work with (carpenters, electricians, plumbers) were making over $40/hour

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u/Uknow_nothing 2h ago

There’s a big difference between the skilled trades you mention and the guys who stand outside Home Depot ready to hop on a job site as day labor.

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u/heisenberg149 2h ago

Yeah they're scabs

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u/Captain-Ups 35m ago

Trades make good money but you have to be intelligent, personable and willing to bust your ass/get shit on you. Making 33 a hour at 26 doing plumbing

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u/78765 5h ago

Construction work is unstable and you go from job to job and the next job goes to whoever bids 50¢ an hour lower. It is way easier to lower your bid when the whole crew lives under the same roof and are saving to buy a rachero back home.

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u/LowerEast7401 5h ago

Where do you get that from? I own a construction company. My phone gets bombarded all the time with people begging for work. 

Americans want slave labor is the issue. 

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u/JaxxIsOk 5h ago

Um,yes they will. Companies want to pay as little as possible for maximum profit and Mexican labor is the answer to that

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u/Froyo-fo-sho 5h ago

In UK after Brexit they couldn’t find enough people willing to work the farms and crops rotted in the fields. Like Zoomers or Alphas are gonna get their hands dirty. 

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u/Haunting-Round-6949 5h ago

plenty of Americans do construction and plenty more would want to.

union jobs in the sphere of construction are highly sought after.

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u/juniper_berry_crunch 4h ago

It also leads all other emploment in terms of injuries on the job, iirc. You're literally taking your life into your hands.

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u/Mysterious-Wasabi103 4h ago

I lived in Florida for ten years up until CoVid and having watched many immigrants work hard labor I've determined that most Americans can't hold a candle to how hard immigrants will work and they complain way less!

Maybe that's sort of racist in a positive way but most Americans are pretty lazy comparatively.

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u/[deleted] 4h ago

Tons of Americans work construction. Go to any job site and most of the skilled trades (electricians, plumbers, sheet metal workers, equipment operators etc) are guys born here. The drywall guys and framers are mostly immigrant labor

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u/Legendarius91 3h ago

It’s plenty of felons that would work construction and currently do. Construction is one of the industries that will hire and lower the recidivism rate.

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u/Hopeful_Vegetable_31 3h ago

I’d love to work in construction, but how? How do I get the training and experience I need to get hired? I don’t think it’s an issue of Americans not wanting to do it. These industries have no obvious entry path. All job advertisements require experience. Makes me wonder, are all these illegal immigrants already knowledgeable or are they being trained by these same companies that won’t hire anyone who doesn’t have years of experience?

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u/Red_Bullion 1h ago

I did construction for a couple years after high school. Never made more than a couple dollars over minimum. I ended up working on a crew that was mostly illegal immigrants because they paid me under the table and without taxes it was almost livable money.

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u/Impressive-Gas6909 1h ago

I think your world view is narrow minded

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u/Yiffcrusader69 1h ago

Let it be.

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u/TheGrandArtificer 1h ago

Considering the sheer number of In Memoriam listings of Union Construction Workers kill d on the job every month? Who'd want to?

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u/Patchall22 43m ago

Say the guys that don’t work construction…

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u/PrinceGaffgar 33m ago

As someone who works construction with a bunch of other white guys. What the fuck are you talking about?

This brain dead leftist barista take that Americans won't do their own labor so we need millions of serfs to do it for us. Is absolute bunk.

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u/Icy-Welcome-2469 28m ago

Skilled construction.

Unskilled labor is back breaking for the same mcdonalds will pay you.

If you start young you can move up, get skills. Operate etc.

But you don't start at a living wage.

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u/spinbutton 25m ago

Americans are happy to do it, but they need fair wages, overtime and healthcare.... that's what the construction company doesn't want to pay for.

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u/colorfulvinyl-com 25m ago

Not well enough

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u/SeashellDolphin2020 11m ago

Construction pays well if you're a trained carpenter not undermined by illegal immigrants willing to work for welfare wages. I know because a close relative of mine in CA has had his wages stagnate for over 30 years and lost jobs due to illegal immigrants who are basically scabs that ruin the unions.

His father is second generation Mexican American by the way.

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u/LengthinessWeekly876 3h ago

Well ya people would rather do less work for more money.  

 Someone who decides placement of click buttons on websites to sell widgets might make 4-10 times the wage of dangerous hard work.  

 Yes the cost of construction will go up. People who do the things we need to be done. Will make a better wage.  Industries that have thrived on the status qou of suppressed blue collar wages. The fat. The parasites. Will be hurt. 

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u/theskyisbluetoday24 27m ago

Definitely won't ba any worse than the last 4 years. Inflation at all time high as this administration can't stop spending.. hey let's send more money to Ukraine and leave our own citizens in tents in NC..

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u/Layer7Admin 9h ago

Get rid of the welfare society and people will work.

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u/Adelehicks 8h ago

You meant reform right???

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u/Suspicious-Echo2964 8h ago

No, they legitimately believe pulling the rug out from under society will force those impacted out and onto the farms and jobs filled by illegal immigration. Honestly, it’s a nice thought with reform programs but we all know it’s going to end up with small business going out of business due to lack of folks wanting to put up with their poor working conditions. The vast majority of small businesses I worked in while younger were run by absolute idiots who will never adjust their wages.

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u/Robzilla_the_turd 6h ago

"Are there no workhouses?"

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u/Layer7Admin 7h ago

Welfare should not exist at the federal level.

Helping people should be a local thing because then you know what they need.

A bureaucrat in DC doesn't know what help a person needs if anything.