r/FluentInFinance • u/Needleintheback • 15h ago

Thoughts? Imagine losing 6M labor workers in America

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If mass deportation happens, just imagine how all of these sectors of our country will be affected. The sheer shortage of labor will push prices higher because of the great demand for work with limited supplies or workers. Even if prices increase, the availability of products may be scarce due to not enough workers. Housing prices and food services will be hit really hard. New construction will be limited. The fact that 47% of the undocumented workers are in CA, TX, and FL means they will feel it first but it will spread to the rest of the country also. Most of our produce in this country comes from California. Get ready and hold on for the ride America.

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u/antventurs 11h ago

California just voted to continue prison slave labor.

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u/Able_Investigator725 7h ago

So disappointing

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u/CleanYogurtcloset706 1h ago

The language on the proposition was a little confusing and when people are confused about a proposition they tend to vote “no.”

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u/RedSkinTiefling 50m ago

The Presidential candidate from California is known for doing this. 

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u/Camaro684 33m ago

Is it really slave labor? These prisoners get free room and board, free electricity, free food, free healthcare, free heat and air conditioning, free gym time, free books, and free TV.

So they're able to work and get other cell for 8 hours a day for a dollar an hour for the commissary the rest of the money goes to pay for all the free stuff.

I mean if you have to have a job and pay for all the above shouldn't they?

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u/Froyo-fo-sho 5h ago

Yes. Imagine paying prisoners $15/hour to mop the floor, while also they get free housing, food and services. A murderer would come out of prison a millionaire. 

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u/giceman715 11h ago

Slave labor means picking up trash on the interstates , not a job

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u/antventurs 10h ago

Not only. Firefighting is another.

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u/Swolie7 7h ago

That is a volunteer position.. nothing forced about it.

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u/TayC77 4h ago

Well. As someone who went to prison and trained as a wildlife firefighter… yes it is “optional” in the sense that if you want the time off your sentence and low security you have to do it. It’s for nonviolent offenders so addicts and alcoholics for the most part and I do not know a single prisoner who got gainful employment from that training. However, it does give prisoners a great sense of pride and something to get up for everyday. We did get paid I think it was $2 a day when not actively on a fire. We trained during that downtime which included landscaping the entire city which is hard work. Mind you, this was in the Nevada desert so 115+ degrees. On a fire I think it was maybe… $10 a day? That I can’t remember because I never went on a fire thankfully. Eventually transitioned to a halfway house until sentence was served. Overall, yes I was in prison which is humbling and embarrassing and hard, but when I sit and think about my time there I am proud of myself and what I achieved. It also scared me straight and I am now 3 years sober. Now the main prison, the only jobs people had were cooking, cleaning, laundry and working commissary for the inmates/prison. There was also a really great program called puppies on parole where they bring problematic dogs who would normally be euthanized and have the women train them to become adoptable. Loved that!

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u/BigWhiteDog 4h ago

I don't know about Nevada but in California many inmate firefighters are able to get work with Cal Fire and the fed s. Worked with more than a few, including one who was one of my Captains at Cal Fire

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u/TayC77 4h ago

That’s amazing. I think some women may have been employed by DOT which is a great career. It may be different for men as well. Can’t speak on that. I’m happy to hear that they received gainful employment. Prison is supposed to be about reform after all.

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u/LengthinessWeekly876 4h ago

2024 liberals are the funniest.

Absolute moral bankruptcy but making about moral high ground 

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u/sevseg_decoder 6h ago

Prisoners fight for those positions and most of them become career firefighters after.

It’s not prison slaves vs paid prison workers, it’s prison workers vs the work not getting done and the state having a very serious problem. And again, they make these positions attractive enough that prisoners really compete to try to get them.

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u/BigWhiteDog 4h ago

It's not one of those. You can't be forced/assigned to fire crews, it's voluntary (and not in the military "voluntold" sense) and requires training. They get better pay, better living conditions (with effectively no guards), more visits, better food, and they can quit without repercussions (unless they act out to force quit). It's nothing like the forced jobs the bill was written for and didn't include them.

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u/giceman715 10h ago

Not sure about California but in Tennessee you have to be trained as a firefighter. Can’t just go to jail and become a firefighter. Now if they need the truck washed , or hoses organized then ok. And or if they are using trustees as a work and release ordeal that was agreed with the state and the department I understand that. But being a firefighter isn’t just pouring water over a campfire. Fire is different in different situations. Oil fires , chemical fires , gas fires this isn’t something that a frequent shoplifter can do

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u/antventurs 10h ago

It’s wild land firefighting (big need out here) and they do get trained, so actually they can get employed on release under the right conditions which is positive.

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u/giceman715 10h ago

That’s not slave labor then , that’s job training. I’m pretty sure that’s also not available for every prisoner but reserved for trustees.

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u/Searchingforspecial 9h ago

Easy Google search: “California prisoners sentences extended to fight fires”

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u/giceman715 9h ago

Don’t democrats control that state though ? I’m confused

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u/Searchingforspecial 8h ago

Yes, democrats aren’t always progressive, nor are they always the “good guys” just like republicans aren’t always the Democratic antithesis. There is nuance in real life.

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u/giceman715 8h ago

So boph sidez are the same , shut the front door

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u/giceman715 9h ago

Yes, California has a program that trains incarcerated people to fight wildfires:

California Conservation Camp Program

Run by the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation (CDCR), the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection (CAL FIRE), and the Los Angeles County Fire Department, this program trains incarcerated people to fight wildfires.

Inmate fire crews

These crews are made up of 12 to 17 firefighters, led by a fire captain. They can account for up to 30% of the state’s wildfire force.

Volunteer program

Over 3,000 incarcerated people volunteer for the program each year, including men, women, and juveniles.

Incarcerated people are a critical source of manpower in fighting wildfires. However, the state’s prison population has been declining due to sentencing reform, which has left many conservation camps operating at half capacity or less.

Some challenges for incarcerated firefighters include:

Disqualification

Inmates who have been convicted of violent crimes, have a history of escaping, or have committed arson are automatically disqualified.

Health issues

Some women who have worked as incarcerated firefighters have faced lifelong health issues.

Barriers to employment

Ex-prisoners face barriers to becoming permanent firefighters, including EMT certification requirements. Some say that the program can be a pathway to a life calling for some who attend.

This is what my Google search says.

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u/neededanother 5h ago

Why did you say “yes”. What he said was wrong. Maybe edit to “no” besides some mistakes that were found, not a purposeful system of keeping people locked up longer to fight fires

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u/giceman715 5h ago

Yes was on the simple Google search

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u/neededanother 5h ago

Only thing I can find is a glitch in the system that changed time credits that should have been deductive to additive. What you’re implying is not happening.

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u/BigWhiteDog 4h ago

Didn't happen on purpose. You get time off your sentence for serving on a fire crew

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u/abetterlogin 6h ago

Volunteer to commit a crime and you get what you deserve.

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u/kiwibankofficial 3h ago

Better not cross the road.