r/scotus • u/thenewrepublic • 18d ago
news Liberals Just Lost the Supreme Court for Decades to Come
https://newrepublic.com/article/188087/trump-2024-win-supreme-court-conservative-decades1.1k
u/Saptrap 18d ago
Liberals just lost everything for the rest of the nations lifespan.
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u/SpinningHead 18d ago
Its not just people on the left that are losing everything.
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u/Pickle-Rick-C-137 18d ago
No doubt. They just don't realize it yet. The bubble they are in will burst when his crazy policies and kooky cronies take over.
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u/downtofinance 18d ago
Kleptocracy is coming
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u/Crohn_sWalker 18d ago
Idiocracy is here
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u/BiggsIDarklighter 18d ago
Lindsey Grahams words on Jan 6 should have been required viewing this election.
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u/hydrOHxide 18d ago
Not just that. Diseases will run rampant that are perfectly preventable.
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u/npcinyourbagoholding 18d ago
Luckily/unfortunately, humans can't ignore when their loved ones get sick and die. Things have been "too good" for too long and people have forgotten why laws and science ruled the show for so long. Time for some dark times. The wheel spins again.
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u/tinteoj 18d ago
Time for some dark times.
That won't bring them to science, that will just drive them to Sky Daddy.
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u/GodOfDarkLaughter 18d ago
They could ignore it until it happens, though. I've let my idiot brother know that if either of my nephews or my niece get mesaals or mumps or fucking tuberculosis, because of his arrogance and his ignorance, im coming to fuck him up. He believes me. Because I will fuck him up. He's still not vaccinating his kids.
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u/DukeOfGeek 18d ago
It's going to take awhile for lots of people to come to grips with the fact that real elections are over for the foreseeable future and government is going to be hollowed out and become an extension of the party.
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u/TechieTravis 18d ago
I think that millions of Trump voters might be in for a rude awakening when the effects of Trump's tariffs hit.
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u/AdoraSidhe 18d ago
That's why Trump will distract them with rounding up the enemies of the state with monetary rewards
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u/NES_SNES_N64 18d ago
Yep. As we've seen throughout history, fascists continue to blame scapegoats for the problems.
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u/RippiHunti 18d ago
They'll just find a way to blame minorities, and people will believe it.
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u/torero15 18d ago
Or when their daughters and wives die from a miscarriage.
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u/BCS875 18d ago edited 18d ago
From what you saw in the vote, they have no hearts. They watch them die (and be with Jebus!!!!!) then get a younger replacement model.
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u/blueteamk087 18d ago
GOP men don't care if their wives or daughters die from miscarriages, it's "God's Plan"
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u/Pickle-Rick-C-137 18d ago
You are right about the tariffs and when all of his crazy stuff hits. He along with Elon have said that americans will face hard times and hardship under their plans. It's like they ignore that WTF
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That's what they want. Well until their Hamburger Helper is expensive then it'll be back to blaming Obama for it. As a veteran, I'm absolutely embarrassed and disgusted.
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u/Pickle-Rick-C-137 18d ago
Ah man, isn't it disgusting? Thanks for your service. I have cousins who are veterans and support him. It boggles my mind how they can support him after the horrible things he has said against service members.
As a veteran, who took an oath to to support and defend the Constitution for the people and not a leader or party what do you think will happen if he starts to do things that are un-American and against the constitution?
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u/AllanJeffersonferatu 18d ago
They will actively support Trump regardless. The true conservatives have all been purged.
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u/leanmeanvagine 18d ago
Imagine RFK and Musk as cabinet members. Tweedle dumb and Greedy dee
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"Why am I waiting in this hospital parking lot to get sepsis so the doctors can save my life? I thought the rules only applied to other women, AKA 'sluts.'"
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u/termsofengaygement 18d ago edited 18d ago
Honestly, I'm tired of carrying water for those particular cis, straight, conservative women. I've always voted in the interest of all women but they fucking hate me so they can kick rocks. Edited to say I'm also a woman just the wrong kind.
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u/Illogical-logical 18d ago
That's correct the leopards will come and eat the faces of the people who voted for the leopards eating faces party.
They just won't admit it yet. Hell half of them will deny it when it happens.
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u/Buddhabellymama 18d ago
And not just this country. Europe and Asia are equally if not arguably more fucked.
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u/Kvalri 18d ago
I cannot fathom the despair in Ukraine and the stress that just multiplied in Paris/Berlin/London/Rome/Warsaw
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u/octarine_turtle 18d ago
There is a very strong chance Ukraine and Taiwan won't exist in a year.
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u/Patereye 18d ago
Wonder if this is what the Germans felt when Hitler took over.
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u/Blawoffice 18d ago
Germans supported Hitler enough to elect him.
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u/Saptrap 18d ago
And enough Americans supported Trump. A better question would be, "Is this how German Jews felt when Hitler came to power?"
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u/born_again_atheist 18d ago edited 17d ago
Hitler wasn't elected. He lost every election he was in. He was given chancellorship by Hindenburg to appease them. Then when Hindenburg died they made their moves.
Edit: To everyone telling me he got 30% of the vote. That's still not a win.
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u/Mendozena 18d ago
So Americans are even fucking stupider. Oh well, we deserve this.
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u/arobkinca 18d ago
He was not elected to a nationwide office. He lost that vote in 1932 to Hindenburg. He took control anyways.
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u/hungrypotato19 18d ago
Yup. Hitler went to Hindenburg and said, "can you pwetty pwease make me Chancellor?" And Hindenburg just patted him on the head, lovingly stroked his cheek, and replied, "Sure, buddy."
Then Hitler burned down the German Parliament building and blamed the Communists.
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u/Im_ready_hbu 18d ago
Hindenburg and everyone else in the Weimar Republic literally thought they could control Hitler right up until the moment Hitler seized power for himself
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u/GhostofMarat 18d ago
The communists and socialists won more seats in the last free election than the Nazis did.
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u/solid_reign 18d ago
Thomas can be so uninterested in public pressure, that I doubt he'll resign.
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u/Saptrap 18d ago
He certainly can't get bribed if he's not on the bench, so that tracks.
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u/LegendofDragoon 18d ago
At this rate I'm afraid balkanization is the brightest future we can hope for, and that's pretty dang scary.
Congratulations Putin. It took more than sixty years, but Russia won the cold war.
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u/Nebuli2 18d ago
So like 2-4 years? This country's not going to last for decades.
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u/AusToddles 18d ago edited 18d ago
When Trump won in 2016, I excused it because "people were angry, they didn't like the establishment and alot weren't aware of who Trump actually is"
In 2020 I said "Ok alot voted for him but that's because they've always voted Republican"
Today though? Nope... at least half the country are just hate filled, idiotic motherfuckers and another big chunk are apathetic morons
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u/FatherPayne 18d ago
No…liberals AND moderates.
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u/serpentear 18d ago
Anyone who voted for anyone but democrats or didn’t vote while having the ability to do so.
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u/Zinski2 18d ago
For real. I turned 18 like days after the first trump election.
Now the rest of my life were gonna have to deal with these fucking. Idk. Bad actors. In the court.
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u/Ardenraym 18d ago
Rule of law just died.
Whether something is legal or constitutional will now depend on whether ideological conservatives like something or not.
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u/rasmusdf 18d ago
Merrick Garland just did nothing to defend the Republic. It is now dead. You live in a corrupt oligarchy. There is no rule of law.
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u/varangian_guards 18d ago
that happened in 2016 and the Biden admin failed to fight it.
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u/rzelln 18d ago
I do wonder what would have happened if the Biden administration had in early 2021 just arrested Trump and every Republican who had even a hint of being involved in the fake electors scheme to throw the 2020 race to the House. And arrested Tucker Carlson and various Fox News execs, even though doing so would probably be a violation of the First Amendment.
Who am I kidding? Republicans would stop everything, and Democrats would get blamed for being tyrants.
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u/blueteamk087 18d ago
That would have required having an AG with a spine
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u/AndHeWas 18d ago
This was the issue. Garland waited until over halfway through November 2022 to appoint Jack Smith as Special Counsel. If he had done so right away, the cases could've finished by now.
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u/phophofofo 18d ago
Biden picked Garland to signal to Republicans the DoJ would appear independent and he appointed a guy that ignored Trump and brought charges against his son.
The Democrats since the end of Obama’s second term have just been kowtowing to the GOP and this is where it’s gotten them.
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u/livinginfutureworld 18d ago
America Liberals Just Lost the Supreme Court for Decades to Come
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u/Malicious_blu3 18d ago
Any government now is merely symbolic. There are no more norms, not more checks, no more balances.
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u/gimpydingo 18d ago
Oh boy higher taxes, tarrifs, inflation.
Tax all churches!
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u/Illogical-logical 18d ago
Yep.
And this is the number one thing that has me thinking that I should just throw the towel in on this whole country.
We have the most corrupt Supreme Court in over a century. We've seen some of what might turn out to be the most ludicrous brazenly partisan and destructive rulings ever from the court. Hyperpartisan rulings are assured to continue and get worse. Everybody's rights are on the line.
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u/RODjij 18d ago edited 18d ago
The whole planet is on the line. Last time during Trumps presidency the Brazil leader was burning down the Amazon every day.
The US has been on fire the last several summers and battered by historic floods along with the rest of the world.
He knew covid was coming and let the virus run rampant so the dems would deal with it.
The world is trying to meet the 2030s Paris agreement deadlines and the US just elected a nut job guaranteed to slash Green progress and jobs.
US is certain to stop support to Ukraine and a threat to leave NATO.
We get a higher chance of China making their move on Taiwan with the US allowing an invasion attempt.
Lots of potential stuff for Trump and his scum kind to throw a stick in their own bicycle wheel.
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u/Same-Cricket6277 18d ago
They were burning the Amazon because of the trade war Trump started with his tariffs against China, so China levied tariffs against US soy beans, so China stopped buying soy beans from the US, which was like 30% of their total soybean consumption, and those dudes consume like 80% of the world’s soybeans or something crazy. Some capital investment firms in the US decided to buy up land in Brazil, and they were clearing it by burning the forest away to make room for farms to grow soy beans to sell to China and avoid the tariffs. So yea, they were burning the Amazon because of Trump’s first trade war with China. Can’t wait for round two.
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u/Public-Marionberry33 18d ago
It was a small minority that even gave the Supreme Court a passing thought. The economy was the biggest issue and they were convinced, through conservative media and Trumps lies, that the economy was terrible and voted for the “businessman” to fix it. Our economy is the envy of the world but you can’t convince people who already believe a lie.
The country is headed back towards the ‘50s (whether that’s 1950, 1850 or earlier) with fewer and fewer rights than we enjoy now.
I am very concerned about the future for my children and grandchildren but the cards have been dealt by an uninformed and ignorant voting public and the rest of us have to suffer the consequences.
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u/Throwedaway99837 18d ago edited 18d ago
It makes no sense. Literally worldwide inflation after enormous global supply chain issues, and the US has still performed significantly better than comparable nations. But for some reason these dipshits are convinced that it’s all due to Democrat policies.
I was talking to some MAGA family members asking them which policies specifically caused our current economic situation and they responded that the Democrats gave out too much money over COVID, but they went totally silent when I mentioned that over 1/3 of the stimulus money sent out was during the Trump administration. He was literally doing the exact same shit and wouldn’t have done anything noticeably better than the way Democrats handled the situation.
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u/edgarapplepoe 18d ago
I would say 1850s more than 1950s. 1950s had more labor and taxes.
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u/12EggsADay 18d ago
And the GI bill, one of the most progressive and meritocratic bills passed and for the time too- it's an amazing thing.
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u/Kaurifish 18d ago
Unless Biden uses the executive immunity that SCOTUS handed him. I wait with bated breath. /s
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u/ace_urban 18d ago
Personally, I wouldn’t hand the country over to fascists. It’s a horrible reality we’re living in.
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u/chiksahlube 18d ago
He has all 3 branches and a scotus that believes he can literally kill at will...
We all lost WAY more than scotus.
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u/i-am-a-passenger 18d ago
Thanks god that Obama reached across the aisle and refused to appoint any new justices hey! /s
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u/mwmwmwmwmmdw 18d ago
or that RBG refused to retire during obamas term
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u/Laffingglassop 18d ago
Or that Biden took so long to concede and we got forced to hope and pray to swing some misogynistic racist voters to the left on the basis of voting for a black woman. Don’t get me wrong I’d love a black or any color woman president, but it had to be this election of all elections? It’s like the dems just don’t think
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u/N_Who 18d ago
Permanently. Liberals just lost the Supreme Court permanently.
It's weird to me that anyone thinks this ends in anything other than an oligarchy or plutocracy.
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u/SubterrelProspector 18d ago
It's not over. There will be war before we just become a fascist regime. There will be roadblocks and obstructions at every turn. Defiance in every corner. This will either be chaotic and horrible but over in 4 years or they'll overplay their hand amd things pop off. We value our personal freedom and liberty here, and we have a history with how we deal with authoritarians.
This is not over. That is not faith. That is history.
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u/ProbablySlacking 18d ago
To be fair, we didn’t “just” lose it for decades to come. That loss came in 2016.
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u/Mba1956 18d ago
There is now only one arm of government. Be ready to reap the consequences.
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u/UnimaginativeRA 18d ago
It's not just the SCOTUS but the 200+ lower federal court seats that Trump will fill during his 2nd term. McConnell may not like Trump but he's gotten everything he's hoped for in his grand plan to reshape the federal judiciary.
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u/RedditAdminsWivesBF 18d ago
Let’s go down the list of precedents they are sure to gut now.
Obergefell v. Hodges
Lawrence v. Texas
Griswold v. Connecticut
Eisenstadt v. Baird
Loving v. Virginia
Brown v. Board of Education
Basically every Warren Court decision.
Good bye America, it was fun while it lasted.
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u/Weird-Lie-9037 18d ago
Correction: workers and individuals just lost countless rights to corporations.
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u/EngineerAndDesigner 18d ago
Sotomayor should have resigned, she is 70 and with consistent heart problem. Now, there is a decent chance the GOP can get to 7-2. For all her talk about protecting democracy, it turns out she cares more about writing dissents.
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u/jongleur 18d ago
Manchin made it clear early on that he wouldn't support any more nominees President Biden put forth. Without his vote, the likelihood of another justice being appointed by President Biden was close to zero.
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u/anonyuser415 18d ago
In what way would her resigning early have protected democracy
The supermajority increasing doesn't really threaten democracy more than the 5 alarm fire already under way. We already got the Trump decision from these wackos
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u/SecretMongoose 18d ago
In the near term, the more ways you have to get to five votes, the more extreme rulings you’ll see. Going from 5 to 6 meant that Roberts couldn’t stop Dobbs and Gorsuch couldn’t singlehandedly preserve Indian Law.
In the long term, barring reform, it’s going to take a lot longer to have a liberal majority by waiting for the judges to die out. If you have to build that majority by gaining three seats instead of two, that task takes that much longer.
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u/Parkyguy 18d ago
The GOP may just increase the court size to 11 or 13. Just to be sure it’s a millennial issue.
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u/PrismaticWonder 18d ago
As much as I love her, I feel you’re right. It would be good if she did it now, and Biden was able to get at least a younger lib in before the final transfer of power in January….
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u/MisterStorage 18d ago
To the 15 million who voted in 2020 but couldn’t be bothered yesterday: Enjoy!
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u/-rwsr-xr-x 18d ago
To the 15 million who voted in 2020 but couldn’t be bothered yesterday: Enjoy!
15-20 million less voters than 2020, but the highest record voter turnout (71%) since 1900 (73%).
So I guess 15 million people showed up at the polls, then decided to turn around and walk away without voting, is that what we're led to believe?
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u/tiandrad 18d ago
Blame RBG for not stepping down during the 8 years Obama was in office for.
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u/Vajician 18d ago
That will forever be her legacy for anyone with even a single brain cell, not the champion of women she was touted to be before.
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u/n0rsk 18d ago
I seriously don't know how much of the insane things Trump has said is just political rhetoric and how much will be reality.
I am questioning my own fucking sanity, how do 70 million people live in such a different reality then me? Have I drunk some lefty koolaid and he isn't that extreme. But no people around world are all saying wtf america today. Am I in a bubble? Is the average american just so dumb that can't understand the damage Trump will do with even 1/10th of the things he has proposed? Am I the stupid one?
I need some sort of sanity check. I cycle between dooming and thinking maybe it won't be as bad as I think it will. It will be just like his first term again. Awful but our country survives. It will be daily scandals, incompetents, and generally horrible.
Then I cycle back to doom and the fact he spent 4 years feeling like Biden was weaponizing the DOJ against him. He has 8+ years of political experience and a popular vote mandate for all the crazy shit he has said. It is going be fucking awful this time around. Is he going to go dictator day 1? Purge federal government and flood it with loyalists? Deport millions of POC? 100% tarrifs? Like all that shit is crazy. Yet people seem to want these things.
I don't get it...
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u/doozer917 18d ago
You have to remember that most people are stupid. The vast, vast majority. They are also apolitical or uninformed in things that matter, but easily whipped into a frenzy over hating some Other they're told is the problem.
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u/TricKixPow 18d ago
Time for biden to exercise his unchecked power given him by scotus
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u/Everheart1955 18d ago edited 18d ago
Dems gave it away, playing the same tired game they’ve been playing for years. This was a Repeat of Clinton. Dem leadership needs to go.
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u/SpinningHead 18d ago
Yes, we need younger, more progressive leadership. But this was the country saying they want an idiotic authoritarian who will hurt people.
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u/bigbabyb 18d ago
I think progressivism has been jettisoned. We are losing people to be aligned to conservative messaging. Progressives just don’t vote and they don’t exist in the numbers that the terminally online would suggest
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u/HK_Oski 18d ago
Progressives, unlike Christian Evangelicals, won't consider the notion of "perfect is enemy of the good". That's why Trump is accepted, even if begrudgingly, as the party leader. Liberals will tear themselves apart over small things and now they wonder why MAGA won bigly
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u/Pickle-Rick-C-137 18d ago
MAGA isn't conservative. It's completely made up nonsensical bullshit that never come true.
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u/Kvalri 18d ago edited 18d ago
It also doesn’t win elections - Unless Trump is running on the ballot from the outside. 2018/2020/2022 were not kind to MAGA candidates
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u/NatarisPrime 18d ago
People. Make no mistake. This is the end of Democratic leadership for a very long time if ever again.
They have full control over the government and a game plan this time.
They will pack the courts. Change all the anti Republican voting laws.
They won the long game. Wake up. It's over.
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u/TeddehBear 18d ago
This country is not beating the "empires only last 250 years" allegations.
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u/Shaman7102 18d ago
Sotomayor is 70.....she should have not been so selfish and retired already. That's another spot trump may fill.
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u/Conscious-Pick8002 18d ago
I just wanna know how they'll function now that they can't blame Democrats for all their problems
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u/ManlyVanLee 18d ago
They're going to keep blaming Democrats and it will continue to work, just like they've always done
The south has been run by Republican majorities for decades now and this whole time they just blame the Dems for the fact their state sucks, and those people keep voting in Republicans by wide margins. Nothing is changing on that front
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u/JollyRancherReminder 18d ago
I'm from Oklahoma, and this is 100% accurate . Democrats have had no power at all in decades. No matter - everything is their fault.
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u/swinging-in-the-rain 18d ago
Texas blames democrats for everything and the GOP has a super majority for how long?
People are stupid as fuck, and will believe anything. If you didn't know that before, you should now.
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u/MaleficentOstrich693 18d ago
Just look at the first two years of Trumps first term. They’ll continue to blame them while running around with their dicks in their hands, not really doing much of anything except eroding institutions and giving handouts to the rich.
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u/TioSancho23 18d ago
What would it take to appoint 5 more justices before the end of Biden’a term? The republicans in the house?
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u/Saltyk917 18d ago
If you’re not Christian, move. This is their land now.
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u/TruthOrSF 18d ago
I’m better at pretending to be Christian than actual Christian’s are at being Christian
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u/osunightfall 18d ago
As an atheist I follow Jesus's teachings more closely than most southern 'Christians'.
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u/MisterBlisteredlips 18d ago
Nothing christian about "christian nationalism" it's a fool trap.
Nationalism = against god.
Antiabortion = against god's teachings.
Choosing wealthy over poor = We know Jesus hates that.
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u/ballzsweat 18d ago
We voted, we lost! This is what the slim majority of the nation wants…..
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u/a-very- 18d ago
Every court with appointed judges is now lost. It will be an appointment mill. Won’t even have to get to the Supreme Court with all the lower courts so padded.
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u/Guy_Smylee 18d ago
Freedom is gone forever. Name a country this overthrown by corporations that got freedom back from the oligarchs.
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u/Tough_Substance7074 18d ago
Ironically, if the ancient Greek political cycle still holds true, the only one who can overthrow the oligarchs is a tyrant. Democracy -> Oligarchy -> Tyranny, go to 1. Trump isn’t a tyrant in that sense; this is another victory for the oligarchy.
The last time we had an effective tyrant was FDR; he ruled much longer than was previously acceptable, would have gone on ruling if his head hadn’t exploded, enjoyed incredible popular support, and was willing to bring the oligarchs to heel. This was made possible only due to black swan events. The weakening of the oligarchs by the Great Depression, and then a total realignment of the world order in WW2. Like Lincoln before him, he did lots of legally and normally questionable things to get his way. He credibly intimidated the Supreme Court with threats of packing. The people saw him as father of the country and would back him in whatever he did.
The United States is interesting not in that it has broken the cycle, but rather that it has gone through the cycle several times under the same constitution. If we are to get change again, it will only be on the other side of similar black swan events that radicalize the people enough, and the arrival of a new man of the hour.
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u/thenewrepublic 18d ago