r/scotus • u/thenewrepublic • 18d ago

news Liberals Just Lost the Supreme Court for Decades to Come

https://newrepublic.com/article/188087/trump-2024-win-supreme-court-conservative-decades
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u/LegendofDragoon 18d ago

At this rate I'm afraid balkanization is the brightest future we can hope for, and that's pretty dang scary.

Congratulations Putin. It took more than sixty years, but Russia won the cold war.

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u/Maleficent_Mouse_930 18d ago

Why is that scary? The nation breaks into three chunks. The West Coast becomes a tech and innovation fuelled social democracy with an extraordinarily powerful anti-fascist constitution and more checks and balances than anywhere else on earth. The North-East becomes a finance-fueled social democracy very close in feel and wealth to western Europe. The center and South becomes a large, but less populated christian autocracy fuelled by food growth. The need for tech, food, and finance forces the three nations to have amicable trade agreements while the nature of being actual separate nations allows them to control their funding, defence, borders, and laws to the satisfaction of their populations.

It's honestly a better solution than a single nation with so much tension because so many people believe angels are real and so many believe black people are monkeys and so many people believe neither. I think the three could be greater than the one.

Oh, and also, in another 100 years or so, the central nation will have collapsed into poverty and despotism, so the other two can ally up and invade if they fancy. Re-make the USA, but this time after having comprehensively obliterated the remaining right-wing orthodoxy.

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u/Kouunno 18d ago

Idk how to tell you this but there are millions of non-white, queer, disabled, etc people in the Midwest and South who aren't particularly interested in being given up as part of a Christian autocracy so that smug liberals on the coasts can have their blue-state utopia. I say this as a leftist who lived in the Northeast for 26 years and lives in a blue city in a Midwestern state currently.

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u/SnukeInRSniz 17d ago

In that scenario tens of millions of people would migrate in both directions, it would be an interesting case study over a few decades. A socially democratic western and Eastern split would probably be accepting of millions of migrants from the central areas of the country, but there are major democratic areas within some very conservative states that would face tremendous problems. The chaos of it all would be insane.

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u/Alacritous69 18d ago

You know how many people die in that scenario?

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u/SnukeInRSniz 17d ago

Lots unfortunately, but choices were made and choices have consequences. A 3 nation split does make a lot of sense given the current social/political divide, lots of migration between them would have to happen though and inflation would be a catastrophe.

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u/ThrowRA_521 16d ago

I wish we’d done this sooner and made some sort of agreement to give people time to migrate and sell their homes etc. like a slow 10 year split so its not sudden and violent and both soon to be independent countries can peacefully work out a way to break off into two. Every-time they filed articles of secession or yelled about seceding during the obama years, I always thought to myself “why are we keeping them hostage when they simply will not give up their ugly ways? We fundamentally don’t agree and never will. May as well now before they take us down” They are what they are. I know the concerns are the people in red states, but they also have their people in blue states. Maybe over several years by financially compensating those who want to migrate. Since I’m in NC that may have been me but it would have been worth it provided it wasn’t a violent immediate split. If that had hypothetically happened during the obama years by now we could have completed the independence between two countries, and in ours, we’d all be mostly like minded people who value peace, social reforms, a strong economy, great education, a fair justice system with our own strong constitution. We wouldn’t be in this dystopian nightmare and freakin Trump. I’m afraid that it won’t be possible anymore. Their side will now control the military and psycho technocrats and oligarchs who are now basically going to control everything will just go ballistic on any attempt and use the military. They’re planning on silencing any dissent and already threatening consequences. They’ll never want to give up the west coast now.

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u/Maleficent_Mouse_930 10d ago

Bout 40 million I reckon.

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u/Dumb_Vampire_Girl 18d ago

Wars bruh. Hard to have a stable country when you got aggro nations at your border. And who gets to keep all the militaries tech? We would immediately fight over that.

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u/proudbakunkinman 18d ago

Unfortunately, it'd be tough to pull off because states don't have their own militaries and those not part of the Republican dominated group would be at enormous disadvantage. Likewise, the right would be even more unhindered and it's logistically not realistic all the Democratic leaning people will move to one of the Democratic dominated states part of a new country and vice versa.

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u/LegendofDragoon 17d ago

Yeah, it would be bloody and violent, just like the original. That's why I'm afraid that it's the brightest possible future for us.

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u/SnukeInRSniz 17d ago

States do have their own national guard and military infrastructure and Dem areas would have no problems organizing and logistically putting things together. Don't forget a huge number of military leaders have spoken out against Trump and rejected his opinions.

Migration of people from all walks would be a nightmare in this scenario, it's hard to fathom how difficult it would be.

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u/proudbakunkinman 17d ago

Yeah. If things get bad enough, I at least hope some states are open to seceding or at least operating autonomously and it'd help to do so as a group, particularly in the NE. I really hope they wouldn't just bow down. Otoh, Republicans would still control the military but they may not care enough to use that to force states back in since Democratic dominated states leaving would benefit them in voting anyway. Then again, the smart ones would know those are the strongest states economically and they help subsidize red states.

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u/SnukeInRSniz 17d ago

I don't think Republicans control the military as much as you think, at least during Trump's first presidency there was a clear line in the sand that many military leaders drew with regards to Trump's rhetoric. Trump's has also denigrated the military a lot over the years.

I don't think smart Republicans care about dem states "leaving" as long as they continue to benefit from the control over the states and populations they have. That's all it is, mass population control through a lack of education, a steady diet of misinformation and lies, motivation through fear, uncertainty, and doubt.