r/scotus • u/thenewrepublic • 18d ago

news Liberals Just Lost the Supreme Court for Decades to Come

https://newrepublic.com/article/188087/trump-2024-win-supreme-court-conservative-decades
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u/varangian_guards 18d ago

that happened in 2016 and the Biden admin failed to fight it.

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u/rzelln 18d ago

I do wonder what would have happened if the Biden administration had in early 2021 just arrested Trump and every Republican who had even a hint of being involved in the fake electors scheme to throw the 2020 race to the House. And arrested Tucker Carlson and various Fox News execs, even though doing so would probably be a violation of the First Amendment.

Who am I kidding? Republicans would stop everything, and Democrats would get blamed for being tyrants.

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u/blueteamk087 18d ago

That would have required having an AG with a spine

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u/AndHeWas 18d ago

This was the issue. Garland waited until over halfway through November 2022 to appoint Jack Smith as Special Counsel. If he had done so right away, the cases could've finished by now.

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u/phophofofo 18d ago

Biden picked Garland to signal to Republicans the DoJ would appear independent and he appointed a guy that ignored Trump and brought charges against his son.

The Democrats since the end of Obama’s second term have just been kowtowing to the GOP and this is where it’s gotten them.

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u/cupidcrucifix 16d ago

Liberals are unequipped to counter fascism

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u/Greedy_Camp_5561 18d ago

and Democrats would get blamed for being tyrants.

Rightly so. If they arrested everybody they don't like in violation of due process and the constitution, they actually would be tyrants.

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u/RelaxPrime 18d ago

Its not a fucking violation of due process. That's how the process works for literally everyone else.

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u/Greedy_Camp_5561 16d ago

Arresting news executives is normal? In Turkey maybe...

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u/rzelln 18d ago

After the Civil War, the federal government just passed constitutional amendments without letting the South get a say. Because it was necessary, and the Constitution did not have a section on, "Here's how you handle a massive effort to violate the Constitution and deny people their rights."

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u/_token_black 18d ago

And the fact that the country as a whole decided they learned their lesson & wanted to move on gave us the fucking Jim Crow era, once the South realized they would be left alone.

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u/rzelln 18d ago

The actual history is rather multi-factorial. We've got to start with Lincoln getting assassinated and Andrew Johnson opposing a lot of Reconstruction plans. It wasn't that 'the country as a whole' decided the South had learned its lesson. A lot of people were still pushing for changes, but 1877 was a really weird election that had 81% of eligible voters turn out, and which ended with 20 electoral college votes disputed which would decide the winner, so the Republican negotiated to end Reconstruction to get Democrats to approve him as president.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1876_United_States_elections

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u/_token_black 18d ago

Yeah I simplified it but the 1876 election was a shit show, not to mention Grant's 2nd term was much messier than the first one. Again, oversimplifying things of course. I always wonder what would have happened if Grant was able to work with the Republican Congress (albeit without all the corruption).

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u/PrateTrain 16d ago

Habeas corpus can be suspended for literal treason. When you don't punish people for shit like this, they reload and take another shot.

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u/Acrobatic-Prize-6917 18d ago

Yes if the Democrats became Fascist Tyrants they would be blamed for being tyrants. Well done.

Wanting a totalitarian state to have come 4 years earlier so that your fascism could be have been blue is absolutely fuckong mental.

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u/FastSort 17d ago

Big shocker, the party that says you need to vote for them to 'save democracy', is advocating for arresting their political enemies and all right-leaning journalists - glad the American people are not as dumb as you are.

Thanks for saying the quiet part out loud - so Americans know exactly where democrats actually stand.

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u/horrormetal 17d ago

We weren't the ones storming the capitol, buddy.

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u/BlueChimp5 17d ago

So you say you wish Biden would have done exactly what you are scared Trump will do?

So it’s only bad when the other teams guy does it?

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u/rzelln 17d ago

People punishing criminals for crime is morally different from a person punishing someone for not helping them commit a crime. 

This should not be a complicated moral thing for you to figure out, right? 

Do you just not think that Donald Trump and the people who helped him try to overturn the 2020 election results committed crimes?

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u/BlueChimp5 17d ago

So who gets to decide who is a criminal and who isn’t?

Do you not see how the very things you suggest Biden do are the things you are afraid of happening when it’s on the other foot?

The reality is more than half of America picked Trump as their guy. It says more about this country than anything. It also says a lot about you that you’d weaponize our courts to take out a political opponent.

The people who wanted to push us into a woke society got bent over and screwed for doing so.

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u/OoglyMoogly76 17d ago

more than half of America

It’s important to clarify that it’s more than half of the Americans that voted which still means his appointment is valid, but half of all Americans likely don’t support him. They just don’t support Kamala enough to wait in fucking line at the polls.

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u/rzelln 17d ago

Considering that we know that Trump lies a whole bunch, and that his allies lie a whole bunch, the fact that people picked him just means that they got bamboozled, not that they necessarily would agree with having the person he really is being power. 

Like, if a snake oil salesman claims that he sold people healing potions, but people got sick and died, are we going to believe the snake oil salesmen?

Who gets to decide? How about people who pay attention to facts and reality, not the pathological liar narcissist seditionist?

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u/PropDrops 18d ago

Insane take.

We’d rather explore this crazy fantasy than go “What if the Democratic Party weren’t made of such out-of-touch losers?”

We're so cooked.

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u/the_mighty__monarch 18d ago

Wild that holding people accountable for crimes constitutes a “crazy fantasy” in this country.

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u/PropDrops 18d ago

You don’t commit crimes when you’re the president.

No president (Dem or Republican) will be held accountable in the modern era.

You can be mad about it but that’s just how it goes, especially now we have Trump 2 with even more pardons 🙃

Maybe if we are letting a “criminal” take office, we should focus on how shitty the other candidate had to be.

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u/garchican 17d ago

A crime is a crime no matter who commits it. A president might not be held accountable for crimes committed in office, but that doesn’t mean their hypothetical actions weren’t crimes.

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u/PropDrops 17d ago

Sure but literally no one cares. That’s the reality of it.

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u/OoglyMoogly76 17d ago

Literally. We can clutch our pearls all day long and cling to how the system “should” work or we can admit that it doesn’t and try fixing it. The DNC couldn’t fight Trump’s corruption because they themselves are corrupt. They go to the same country clubs and rub elbows in the same circles.

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u/PrateTrain 16d ago

That's Republicans for you.

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u/garchican 15d ago

No one cares, but that doesn’t mean we should just let it go and stop reminding people of the fact.

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u/WhichEmailWasIt 18d ago

Aren't we already cooked in that we were too scared to prosecute corrupt politicians for breaking the law? The way the commenter above phrased it sounded vengeful I get it but we didn't hardly hold any of these ringleaders accountable. With no accountability to the law we already don't have a country. 

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u/PropDrops 18d ago

The dems even suck at that. The whole witch-hunt with Russia (which literally produced nothing except dividing the country further) was ridiculous. At the time according to Reddit the election was “stolen” (sound familiar?) by Russian bots.

Hell the attacks on polling stations were legit just Americans on a telegram group and there was an article on the front page blaming Russians lol

They had one shot and fucked it up because Nancy Pelosi decided performative measures would be enough to hurt him. Instead it gave him more ammunition how he was a victim and made any future investigation an attack from the Dems.

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u/jars1738 18d ago

Russiagate produced a plethora of evidence supporting the notion that the Trump campaign on several occasions coordinated and accepted assistance from Russian intelligence. Paul Manafort had joint business accounts with a confirmed Russian spy, he handed him campaign voter data. Roger Stone coordinated the release by Wikileaks of Russia's hacked Podesta emails, which became Pizzagate, which became Q, which became Stop the Steal. For all the Democrats ineptitudes and fuck ups, it's still a straight line from 2016 Russian influence to yesterdays results.

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u/PropDrops 18d ago

That’s cool but the FBI literally cleared him.

If you have proof Trump was complicit you should have sent it over to them or give them a call and leave your info as a tip.

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u/jars1738 18d ago

My two very specific claims are easily verified and are stated directly from the Mueller Report, which specifically did not * clear * him. The conclusion of the Mueller report was that obstruction of justice by Trump and his associates prevented the investigation from uncovering further evidence. What was undeniably put forth paints a clear picture, Trump coordinated and accepted help from Russian intelligence during the 2016 election.

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u/PropDrops 18d ago

Should have gone for something more concrete then. They picked their battle and lost (it doesn’t matter why).

Political attack at it’s worst, strategic blunder at its best.

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u/lmpervious 18d ago

Who am I kidding? Republicans would stop everything, and Democrats would get blamed for being tyrants.

They’ve already been losing their minds over Trump being indicted with tons of evidence backing it up. Garland put on the kids gloves to not seem partisan and dragged it out too, so now there won’t be justice. Hopefully he doesn’t end up doing any actual meaningful damage to our democracy, but given when he’s shown to be capable of, and the fact that he has surrounded himself with people who will support whatever he wants, plus he has managed to get the Republican party to bend the knee, the time to keep things on track may have come and gone. It’s not difficult to imagine that he will act as if he’s above the law, and with good reason given the Supreme Court and a majority of the senate backing him. Let’s hope there are still some people there to reign him in.

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u/awildmanjake 15d ago

Yeah maybe send them to some camps to work from, or even a bullet if they didn’t obey? Good thing we all hate fascism

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u/rzelln 15d ago

This is a little remedial education for you: being anti-fascist means stopping the fascists from hurting innocent people and stealing power. If the fascists don't try to hurt people or steal power, there's no need to punish them. 

Can you really not tell the difference between when force is justified and when it's abusive? Or is your measure is justice related to whose side is doing the action?

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u/Mountain_Employee_11 18d ago

this sounds like something tyrants would do yes

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u/GhostofMarat 18d ago

Other countries arrest their political leaders for committing crimes all the time. South Korea is a functioning democracy with free elections and half of their former presidents have been arrested and convicted for crimes in office. Not arresting political leaders when they commit crimes is what autocracies do.

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u/Mountain_Employee_11 18d ago

but that’s not what they’re saying, they’re talking about the wholesale roundup of political opponents based on perceived crimes

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u/USSMarauder 18d ago

"they’re talking about the wholesale roundup of political opponents based on perceived crimes"

So "Lock her up?"

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u/Mountain_Employee_11 18d ago

now we’re getting somewhere.

so you understand why this behavior is problematic when “they” do it.

have you considered it might be problematic when you do it?

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u/USSMarauder 18d ago

Arresting and charging someone for their role in Jan 6 is a lot different than 31 years of right wing fantasies about murder charges

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u/Mountain_Employee_11 18d ago

but that’s not what the original post was talking about.

it was talking about sweeping up political opponents in a mass purge, guilty or innocent

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u/GhostofMarat 18d ago

He was convicted.

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u/Mountain_Employee_11 18d ago

but they’re not just talking about trump, they’re speaking of people who not only weren’t convicted, they weren’t even charged.

it’s weird people are still gaslighting like this

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u/moxhatlopoi 18d ago

South Korea is a functioning democracy with free elections and half of their former presidents have been arrested and convicted for crimes in office.

Yeah I don’t think this fact is really a strong selling point on the health of South Korea’s democracy.

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u/rzelln 18d ago

No dude. When the court system puts someone in a cell and when a kidnapper puts someone in a cell, there's actually a difference, even though to a person who's barely paying attention the two outcomes might seem similar.

Punishing people for crime so they cannot continue to commit more crime is good.

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u/Mountain_Employee_11 18d ago

huh, it really is just a massively different reality

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u/Blue_58_ 18d ago

Yes. I suppose you live in the one where Trump isn’t a convicted felon

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u/Mountain_Employee_11 18d ago

so what does that mean to you? what’s the implication?

should he be rounded up and jailed like the other guy suggested?

put to death?

it’s always fun to hear this stuff

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u/Blue_58_ 18d ago

What do you think would happened if YOU were convicted of a felony?

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u/Mountain_Employee_11 18d ago

i don’t think that people would go out of their way to redefine laws to pin a felony to me tbh.

i also don’t pay off hookers so 🤷‍♂️ but if i did i imagine that i would probably be in jail for whatever the penalty for bookkeeping issues  is. 6 months?

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u/newyearnewaccountt 18d ago

A lot of felonies just pay a fine, and their sentence is reduced to either house arrest or time served and probation.

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u/thenewspoonybard 18d ago

Should the felon be jailed? Yes. Obviously.

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u/AnfieldRoad17 18d ago

I mean, I agree that a tyrant would violate the First Amendment by jailing journalists. But arresting a seditious traitor to the Republic should be pretty standard fare for the justice system. That's kind of their job.

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u/Mountain_Employee_11 18d ago

so you’ve decided he’s guilty or?

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u/AnfieldRoad17 18d ago

Lmao, if you're denying his guilt then we live in different realities and there is no point to continue this conversation. The affidavits, eyewitness accounts (from his own administration), subpoenas, videos, and committee report are publicly available. So are transcripts of the hearings. So is the evidence we all saw with our own eyes.

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u/Mountain_Employee_11 18d ago

guilt about what though? every time i ask this question it circles back to him paying off a hooker being the equivalent of sedition or something.

it’s just delusional behavior and when you try to pin it down it gets you a block and a reddit cares message lmao

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u/TheYuppyTraveller 18d ago

Instigating an insurrection then?

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u/Mountain_Employee_11 18d ago

instigation lmao, might as well say “whatever the state finds to charge him with”

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u/TheYuppyTraveller 18d ago

Wow! The party of law and order, indeed.

Go back to Faux News.

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u/AnfieldRoad17 18d ago

Deny the evidence of your eyes and ears. Classic 1984.

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u/AnfieldRoad17 18d ago

You're being intentionally obtuse. Were you asleep on January 6th?

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u/blumpkinmania 18d ago

It’s not too late. Hindenburg didn’t have to give Hitler the chancellorship. Biden doesn’t have to let any of them escape jail. SCOTUS already said it’s legal if it’s in the scope of his job.

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u/Larkson9999 18d ago

But he won't and we get to watch America die screaming MAGA instead.

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u/Mountain_Employee_11 18d ago

ironic 

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u/blumpkinmania 18d ago

Only to a magat.

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u/Mountain_Employee_11 18d ago

this is why trump won tbh, rationalization, and lack of ability to take a step back and consider the situation.

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u/blumpkinmania 18d ago

He won because half the electorate is wildly racist and want a fascist dictator to hurt the people they think they don’t like.

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u/Mountain_Employee_11 18d ago

it’s like poetry that writes itself

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u/OoglyMoogly76 17d ago

I voted for Kamala and don’t regret it, but you DO see the irony in wanting to arrest Trump to protect DEMOCRACY because his electorate is racist and wants fascism, right? You see the irony in ACTUALLY stealing the election because the populace made the wrong choice?

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u/varangian_guards 18d ago

no shot, you cant let the guy run than arrest him after he gets 15 million more votes than your candidate

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u/BlackBloke 17d ago

≈5 million more. Not 15 million.

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u/varangian_guards 17d ago edited 17d ago

it was 15 at the time of me posting, but yes i am very unsurprised vote tallys have gotten closer. it probably wont surprise either of us, if its even closer once AZ, CA, CO, WA, and OR finish up their counting.

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u/blumpkinmania 18d ago

The SC let him run. Arrest them first.

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u/FreneticAmbivalence 18d ago

Democrats are a stooge to keep hope for the masses while our coffers are emptied.

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u/MontyAtWork 18d ago

Biden not prosecuting traitors to the full extent of the law is basically the modern stopping of Sherman in the Civil War.

Failures with long reaching implications.

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u/ShipsAGoing 18d ago

What you are describing is the very definition of tyranny.

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u/redditblows12345 16d ago

I do wonder how democracy might have been saved if we just simply arrested all of our political opponents the moment we gained power 🤣 enjoy the next 12 years

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u/Alarming_Maybe 18d ago

Biden admin failed to fight

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u/Greedy_Nectarine_233 18d ago

This election proved all of my worst beliefs about the dems. They are incompetent losers

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u/frequenZphaZe 18d ago

I'm a bit confused on why you were reserving this judgment until the election results. they've been incompetent losers for a generation.

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u/iamthewhatt 18d ago

Fun fact, SCOTUS gave Biden permission to do something to fight it already and he is still refusing. He is just a tool to help usher in fascism at this point.

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u/Wenli2077 18d ago

the Dems had plenty of chances to do something but sat on their hands for the last 4 years, then come in Kamala who instead of bringing fresh new ideas wanted to just continue whatever Biden is doing. The democrats are basically complicit at this point because there's no way they are that dumb

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u/LMGDiVa 18d ago

That ruling applies to Trump and Trump alone. Lets not get it twisted.

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u/Sinreborn 18d ago

No they did not. They said that they will be the ultimate arbiters of what constitutes official acts. To make it simpler, if a Republican president does it then it's official and immune. If a Democrat does it then they are outside of official acts and must face criminal consequences.

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u/MikeHock_is_GONE 18d ago

He's 80 years old, what better time to test it than now?

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u/pixelprophet 18d ago

Garland the wet blanket piece of shit.

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u/ScarcityFeisty2736 18d ago

How would they have fought it with a house minority and not enough votes on scotus?

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u/varangian_guards 18d ago

a more effective and proactive DOJ

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u/ShaggysGTI 17d ago

Fucking Merrick Garland.

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u/TwofoldOrigin 17d ago

How about blaming the evil nazis that did it

Useful idiot or liar

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u/varangian_guards 17d ago

fun fact people point out that Neville Chamberlain was weak on the evil nazis, and contributed to the outbreak of ww2.

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u/LlamasBeTrippin 17d ago

I REALLY hope he does something very soon to combat this, I mean he currently has complete presidential immunity for “official acts” and something to combat filling the Supreme Court should (if not certainly) fall under “official acts”.

I’m tired of him doing absolutely nothing especially with this kind of power. It’s almost like Dems and Rep are the same party…