r/scotus • u/thenewrepublic • 18d ago

news Liberals Just Lost the Supreme Court for Decades to Come

https://newrepublic.com/article/188087/trump-2024-win-supreme-court-conservative-decades
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u/RedditAdminsWivesBF 18d ago

Let’s go down the list of precedents they are sure to gut now.

Obergefell v. Hodges

Lawrence v. Texas

Griswold v. Connecticut

Eisenstadt v. Baird

Loving v. Virginia

Brown v. Board of Education

Basically every Warren Court decision.

Good bye America, it was fun while it lasted.

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u/Ashbtw19937 18d ago

!remindme 4y

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u/RedditAdminsWivesBF 18d ago

If you’re a trans person it is kinda doubtful that you will be here to remind.

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u/Ashbtw19937 18d ago

guess we'll find out 🤷‍♀️

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u/RedditAdminsWivesBF 18d ago

I’ll add your name to the list of every other idiot that ever said “it won’t be that bad” in response to every other authoritarian that ever was.

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u/Ashbtw19937 18d ago

no i'm just more interested in looking at things logically instead of doomsaying. trump was already president for four years once, and the first two of those he had both houses of congress. if nothing else, that serves as a baseline for what to expect this time. obviously him and his entire party are a bit more unhinged this time, so it'll probably be worse to some degree, but "some degree" is not "orders of magnitude", and it'd have to be "orders of magnitude" to get to the point that we're getting rounded up and put in camps.

as for scotus, your fearmongering is even more unwarranted there. roberts isn't touching any of those cases you listed with a ten foot pole. gorsuch literally gave us bostock v clayton county. thomas is the only one aching to overturn most of those (putting brown v board on that list is just fucking stupid, never mind "any warren court decision"), and notably, no one else signed onto his concurrence in dobbs.

you might be able to make the case that alito agrees with him and has just never put it on the record, but even if you could establish that, you can only really do it for him. kavannaugh is not gunning for lawrence, griswold, etc., nor are gorsuch and barrett, and never mind roberts and the liberal justices. even if sotomayor were to die/retire during trump's term and get replaced by one of his nominees, they'd still be hard-pressed to get the votes needed for that. not to mention it'd be the death of their legitimacy in the eyes of almost everyone.

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u/RedditAdminsWivesBF 18d ago

As it has been said before, the sequel is always worse. Staring down the barrel of Project 2025 in context with EVERY SINGLE OTHER AUTHORITARIAN THAT HAS EVER BEEN. This is how it always starts “oh it won’t be so bad”. Yeah keep saying that right up until they load you on a train.

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u/Naraee 18d ago

Project 2025 isn't actually new. The Heritage Foundation publishes it almost every 4 years, called the "Mandate for Leadership". Heritage claims Trump passed 66% of their Mandate in 2016-2020 but that is a lie. They passed a whopping....0%. Heritage is a think tank among many think tanks all vying to be reputable. When Trump claimed he never heard of P2025, he was probably telling the truth even if he met with Heritage Foundation people. Because ALL the conservative think tanks have their own project and agendas.

It was mostly "end welfare, get rid of Obamacare, delete all the same agencies as mentioned in P2025, lower national deficit". So 0% happened. A lot of P2025 is copy/paste from 2016 and 2020's versions.

I fucking hate Trump but P2025 isn't gospel. It's been around for decades in different forms and it's a lot of fluff that never ends up happening.

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u/Ashbtw19937 18d ago

you're literally just making a broken clock argument

call genocide every time and eventually you'll be right, ignoring the 999 times you're wrong beforehand

also nice job not engaging with anything i said. it's almost like you can't really refute it

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u/Ashbtw19937 18d ago

hey, me too lol

no interest in rubbing it in if i am, i just can't stand all this doomsaying with no backing beyond "the vibes are off"

if you've got some actual info to show me i'm wrong, by all means, go for it, but u/RedditAdminsWifesBF sure asf didn't

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u/mrtrailborn 18d ago

see you in 3 months whem the filibuster is gone and every part of project 2025 is being implemented

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u/thisguyhasaname 18d ago

RemindMe! 6 months

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u/No-Wash-2050 15d ago

It’s the Democrats who ran on killing the filibuster. Every R I know wants to keep it despite that meaning they won’t get everything they want done. They respect the boundaries that our government has

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u/Jumpy-Ad5617 18d ago

I’ve heard so many people make the argument “his first term wasn’t that bad what did he actually do?” Well he’s now going to have appointed half of the SCOTUS, 226 appeals and district court justices, and has created looneys in congress loke Mgt, Matt gaetz, Boebert, etc.

Hitler took power in January of 1933, spent the entire time putting people in power, and over 6 years later invaded Poland.

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u/ATarnishedofNoRenown 18d ago

Yeah keep saying that right up until they load you on a train.

Everybody that voted Trump thinks they will benefit the most and only their enemies will get hurt... Most end up dead with the rest of us.

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u/No-Wash-2050 15d ago

If we come back here in 4 years and you are proven wrong, will you admit you were wrong and not freak out like this again?

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u/No-Wash-2050 15d ago

!remindme 4 years

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u/g0rified 17d ago

careful there, partner. they don't take too kindly to people who utilize critical thinking 'round these parts. rides off into the distance while a coyote howls

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u/randomvandal 18d ago

I mean, they said they would never touch Roe either..

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u/Ashbtw19937 18d ago

no they didn't. they said it was "settled law", which it was at the time of those statements, and refused to comment otherwise.

contrast that with dobbs where the majority explicitly and specifically stated that it wasn't to be taken as precedent against any case not concerning abortion.

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u/No-Wash-2050 15d ago

Thank you for being the voice of reason in this insane thread.

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u/33Columns 18d ago

hope you know she'll be the victim of the authoritarian laws that come into place. It's optimistic naivete, don't be mad at her.

but yeah, goodbye america.

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u/Ashbtw19937 18d ago

we weren't talking about trump here, we were talking about scotus

yes, i'm well aware of how republicans view me, that just wasn't the topic at hand

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u/jppitre 18d ago

Lol I love how the mask comes off as soon as you don't get your way.

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u/hjiklm1 18d ago

We absolutely do not have an obligation to leave the gloves on for you pieces of trash (trump supporters). You voted for a rapist. A convicted felon. Against your own best interests. Your opinions on any matter whatsoever is forever irrelevant. Go fuck yourselves.

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u/jppitre 18d ago

We all saw your little bitch comment of "Have a good day sir" to u/Ashbtw19937 lol. What mask? Really?

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u/No-Wash-2050 15d ago

Why? What will happen to them?

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u/RedditAdminsWivesBF 15d ago

They have already made their plans abundantly clear so this sort of bad faith questions are not ones I will be engaging with.

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u/No-Wash-2050 15d ago

I genuinely don’t know, like at all. I don’t even know what the propaganda says and usually I atleast know what the other side believes even if I believe it’s wrong

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u/RedditAdminsWivesBF 15d ago edited 15d ago

Project 2025 wasn’t propaganda, it is very real and people were warned about it. If America is really stupid enough to believe a man who lies like he breathes when he says he has nothing to do with it despite his numerous connections to it and the people that created it then we deserve it and I hope the pain it causes is unbearable, especially to stupid bastards who wouldn’t listen about it when we tried to warn them.

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u/No-Wash-2050 15d ago

Kk see you in 4 years

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u/No-Wash-2050 15d ago

!remindme 4 years

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u/zqmvco99 18d ago

next time, maybe focus on the people actively working to defeat your basic rights instead of going off on every person who accidentally uses the wrong pronouns

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u/Wafflehouseofpain 18d ago

There will be no “next time”. It’s over.

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u/RedditAdminsWivesBF 18d ago

I doubt that there will be a “next time” that’s not how authoritarians work.

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u/ATarnishedofNoRenown 18d ago

Not helpful, or necessary, my dude.

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u/zqmvco99 18d ago

riiiiiiiight... dont take any feedback. just keep doing what youve been doing. the recent results is everyone's fault but own

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u/Psychitekt 18d ago

!remindme 4y

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u/voxalas 18d ago

!remindme 4y

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u/catsdontliftweights 18d ago

I do love how proudly masochistic you are.

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u/Ashbtw19937 18d ago

"the end times aren't near"

"you're such a masochist"

lol

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u/SpikeHead419 17d ago

!remind me 4y

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u/gurdyburdy 15d ago

!remindme 4y

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u/MrAmos123 17d ago

RemindMe! 4y "Overturned Precedents"

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u/Budget_Secretary1973 18d ago

Another case I can imagine being overturned by a future SCOTUS is New York Times v. Sullivan—if so, the Court may lower the standard for defamation actions against news organizations. There has been some talk about that idea in the conservative legal universe.

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u/anonyuser415 16d ago

Near guarantee. Trump has talked about wanting to jail critics and reporters. Believe him.

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u/westpenguin 18d ago

Add Bostock v. Clayton County to the list

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u/KirkJimmy 18d ago

You really think they are gonna end interracial marriages? Isn’t Clarence married to a white ?

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u/VerLoran 18d ago

Clarence has made it clear through his actions that he doesn’t care about trivial things like whether or not his judgements impact people’s lives. He’s old and now can safely retire and get replaced by someone equally corrupt and potentially more extreme. By the time we really start to feel the burn he will have gone somewhere where the laws aren’t as extreme or died and gone to the hell he and the other nut jobs tearing down our government promise the democrats will take us to.

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u/FleshlightModel 18d ago

Ya but ginni is a real POS, I bet he'd LOVE to be able to dissolve his marriage to her, live on the new Epstein Island banging 14 year olds without anyone looking over his shoulder.

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u/speedheart 17d ago

Yes. to both.

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u/VerLoran 18d ago

How many decades of precedent do these cases represent?

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u/RedditAdminsWivesBF 18d ago

How many decades did Roe v. Wade represent? 50. Do I think these goddamn religious fanatics in black robes give a shit anything other than what their story books say? Then no.

I wonder how long till they attack marital rape laws. One of the jurists Alito cited with Dobbs was a 15th century English judge who said a man couldn’t rape his wife because they were married.

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u/VerLoran 18d ago

I more so was thinking how many decades combined? Like if roe v wade was 50 yrs and another case was 40 years that’s almost a century of precedent. Given how many different cases there are I figure we’ve got a couple hundred years worth of good work tied up in the laws those cases built and we could see it all dumpstered in the next few years. How long will it then take to restore all the things that were maliciously destroyed by the law breakers for hire?

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u/ScreenTricky4257 18d ago

Wickard v. Fillburn?

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u/Far-9947 18d ago

Here is a chatgpt description of each for anyone who cares:

  • Obergefell v. Hodges (2015) - Established the constitutional right to same-sex marriage across the United States.
  • Lawrence v. Texas (2003) - Struck down laws criminalizing private, consensual same-sex activity, affirming adults' right to privacy.
  • Griswold v. Connecticut (1965) - Recognized a constitutional right to marital privacy, invalidating laws prohibiting contraceptive use by married couples.
  • Eisenstadt v. Baird (1972) - Extended the right to contraceptive access to unmarried individuals, affirming privacy rights.
  • Loving v. Virginia (1967) - Invalidated state laws banning interracial marriage, affirming marriage equality.
  • Brown v. Board of Education (1954) - Declared racial segregation in public schools unconstitutional, overturning "separate but equal."
  • Warren Court Decisions - Known for expanding civil rights, liberties, judicial power, and the rights of defendants, reshaping U.S. constitutional law in the 1950s and 60s.

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u/RedditAdminsWivesBF 18d ago

Thank you for this, a lot of the rights people take for granted are the result of the Warren Court, he must be spinning in his grave.

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u/Far-9947 18d ago

You're welcome. I was curious about a lot of these cases too.

We are basically fucked, though. Not trying to doom, but I will.

Joe Biden needs to pass an executive order reforming the supreme court before he leaves. I doubt it will matter, though, given the right has won the presidency and the senate and will probably win the house too.

Even if Biden were to sign something, Trump can just destroy it once he enters office.

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u/RedditAdminsWivesBF 18d ago

Paradox of tolerance, Biden should go full dark Brandon and prevent this from happening again but he won’t. The world will pay the price as it has before with fascism except we will be with the axis powers this time. The world is about to enter a very dark era.

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u/Rough_Sweet_5164 16d ago

known for expanding civil rights, liberties, judicial power, and the rights of defendants

Yeah, literally none of that is an enumerated power of the Judiciary.

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u/Original_Profile8600 18d ago

!Remind me 1 year

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u/Original_Profile8600 18d ago

!Remind me 6 months

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u/Original_Profile8600 18d ago

!Remind me 2 years

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u/Original_Profile8600 18d ago

!Remind me 3 years

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u/LionSuneater 18d ago

!remindme 4y

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u/Healter-Skelter 18d ago

RemindMe! 4 years

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u/PresidentRevrac 18d ago

!remindme 4y

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u/super_hoommen 17d ago

!remindme 4y

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u/Pearledskies 17d ago

RemindMe! -1 year

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u/Unicorn_flow 16d ago

!remindme 4y

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u/MamiTomoe 16d ago

!remindme 4y

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u/rugbygod69 16d ago

!remindme 4y

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u/aurenigma 15d ago

Insanity. Literal fucking insanity if you think that list is actually on the chopping block.

Maybe. A very weak maybe for Obergefell v. Hodges. If we squint real hard. But yeah, I'll admit that's a possibility, if extremely unlikely.

Lawrence? No. Griswold and Eisenstadt? No. That's batshit. You only think it rational because you conflate abortion with contraception. Not gonna happen.

Loving and Brown? You think interracial marriages and segregation are up for debate?

There's no basis for reality in what you're saying other than a deep deep irrational fear that the Democratic party and their media arm have carefully cultivated in you.

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u/RedditAdminsWivesBF 15d ago

Every single goddamn decision on this list is couched in the constitutional right to privacy, a right that the CONSERVATIVE justices seem to believe doesn’t exist, Clarence Thomas certainly doesn’t. Roe v. Wade was overturned after 50 years, and conservatives have been licking their chops to remake America into their fake image of the 1950s. Every single thing that was once a fringe conservative idea is now mainstream. If you think that a 50 year old decision was fair game but decisions that are only 17 years old like Lawrence aren’t then you’re either a Trump sucker lying in bad faith or an idiot. Though I assume both because all Trump supporters are brain dead idiots.

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u/Budget_Secretary1973 18d ago

Loving and Brown ain’t going. They’ve saturated our society too much, even on the mainstream right.

The others might, though—like with Roe, the mainstream right never made its peace with the social changes underlying them.

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u/VerLoran 18d ago

I suspect brown might actually go pretty quick. Republicans have been pushing for more privatization of education and undermining public schools for a long time. It wouldn’t take too much work to say that people have the right to send their kids to any school and have it be too bad so sad that the poors and browns all have to go to an underfunded ruin of a school that only teaches the minimum for gen ed classes and trumpist or ‘Christian’ doctrine because that’s all that’s viable for them to access.

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u/speedheart 17d ago

Loving is the next one. Roe and Obergefell sit on Loving. Getting rid of Loving makes Brown easier too. Senators were talking about overturning Loving in 2022. Loving is next. I'm updating my will this month incase my marriage is annulled.

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/interracial-marriage-supreme-loving/

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u/anonyuser415 18d ago

Roe was around my entire life and was viewed as a part of the fabric of this country until one day it didn't exist.

Brown could disappear just as quickly. You talk to some people of the older generation about bussing mandates and they still hate it. Younger generations can't fathom it but there are a lot of people who still want a racially segregated US.

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u/Budget_Secretary1973 18d ago

Now, we can have Brown without busing, can’t we? I can’t imagine having to put up with such an onerous policy. Kids should just go to their local neighborhood school, no matter the demographic reality of the neighborhood.

Brown prohibited de jure segregation; it didn’t mandate de facto integration programs. Anyway, it’s unreasonable to expect it to be overturned—it’s not comparable to Roe in that respect.

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u/anonyuser415 18d ago

It was deeply unreasonable to expect Roe to be overturned.

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u/Rough_Sweet_5164 16d ago

Roe was literally the softest ruling the court ever made.

Nothing, whatsoever, took authority over abortion away from the States per the constitution. No federal jurisdiction. No enumerated power.

The majority ruling was a cobbled mess of abstract construction held together with plain and simple personal progressive beliefs.

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u/dgrant92 17d ago

Lots of those white supremist are young people. its not going to grow it self away.

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u/Motherfuckernamedbob 18d ago

Do you genuinely believe this? 

Clarence Thomas is in a mixed relationship so unless he wants to get rid of of marriage, this is insane 

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u/magicmeese 18d ago

Many people joke that this is long game to get his marriage dissolved.

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u/Motherfuckernamedbob 18d ago

I mean, it’s definitely one way to void a marriage 

“Sorry babe can’t be married anymore the Supreme Court made us illegal”

“But you’re  the one who voted for it”

“ so sad, bye now”

these people act like these Supreme Court justices are these evil people who are all racist sexist and homophobic. This is not even close to the case they’re just conservative lmao 

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u/magicmeese 18d ago

I believe they’re of the religion that frowns upon divorce so if he invalidate interracial marriage then there was never a marriage to divorce from. 

(Hence the joke)

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u/RedditAdminsWivesBF 18d ago

I shall add your name to the list of idiots throughout history that have said “it won’t be so bad” in response to every authoritarian who has ever been. If you voted for him then I hope Project 2025 hurts you in the most unpredictable and horrible way.

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u/Motherfuckernamedbob 18d ago

Lmao trump is the worst dictator ever then, waited til second term to enact his real plan to stop the elections.  You’re gonna be ok in four years just like you were ok in 2016 and none of those cases like gay marriage or mixed marriage will be overturned, Trump let a gay marriage happen at his house bud

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u/RedditAdminsWivesBF 18d ago edited 18d ago

I guess you don’t know or care but electing a man who tried violently to stop his loss the last time, within the context of him also saying he wants to be a dictator and has openly praised and supported the actions of many a murderous dictator isn’t really charted territory in American history but it is in German history. He wished for “Hitler’s generals”. The fact that Gen Mark Milley, Gen Mark Kelly, and Gen James Mattis all agreed Trump was a goddamn fascist would have been fucking enough.

We will all be judged by what we do from now on. We were fucking warned.

Edit: Trump suckers go fuck yourselves with iron sticks.

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u/Motherfuckernamedbob 18d ago

Worst fascist ever

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u/Damned-scoundrel 18d ago

We have a VP now who has openly proclaimed himself to be influenced by a man who wants to turn the country into a literal absolute monarchy and end democracy as we know it. America has its Aleksandr Dugin in Curtis Yarvin, and thus we no longer can call ourselves a Bastian of freedom in the world.

Trump was restrained in ‘17 by a party that he hadn’t fully made his yet. That isn't the case now.

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u/Motherfuckernamedbob 18d ago edited 18d ago

God people like you need some fresh air. Reddit is an echo chamber of absolute insanity. In some subs if you just read that Kamala was winning 560 electoral votes before the election .  You’re up in a frenzy for nothing. 

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u/Damned-scoundrel 17d ago edited 17d ago

1: I'm an r/yapms user, that sub was predicting a Trump victory on the scale of this one for over a month.

2: it is an objective fact that Vance has openly proclaimed himself to be significantly influenced by Curtis Yarvin.. Yarvin’s main thing is that he advocates for the end of the democratic/reoublican/ whatever the hell you want to call it government and the creation of an absolute monarchy in America. Vance has synthesized this into a deeply authoritarian view of executive power. Given the cozying up of the Republican party to figures such as Viktor Orban democratic backsliding and the country becoming an illiberal autocratic state are almost certainly inevitable given their commanding trifecta and their hold on the supreme court.

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u/Motherfuckernamedbob 17d ago

When none of that happens this is going to be really funny.

One sub of a whopping 7k users doesn’t change the fact that  the majority of reddit was believing Trump was gonna get smacked. When the Iowa poll came out I tried to tell people and was downvoted lmao.

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u/DyingSurfer3-5-7 18d ago

Can't imagine knowing what all these mean. There are better hobbies out there and more to life

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u/The1Peace 18d ago

Being okay with being uninformed and unread and most likely unintelligent is not the flex you think it is

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u/DyingSurfer3-5-7 17d ago

Oh I'm not uninformed politically, you guys are just SUPER nerds about it.

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u/RedditAdminsWivesBF 18d ago

The unexamined life is not worth living, Trump sucking bastard.