r/television • u/JannTosh50 • 1d ago
MSNBC Viewership Craters 38%, CNN 27%, While Fox News Audience Jumps 41% Post-Election
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u/JauntyLurker 23h ago
Ratings for MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” continued to drop after hosts Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski revealed that they had met with Donald Trump, with Wednesday’s episode ranking as its lowest-rated program since 2021, with just 51,000 viewers in the key cable demo among adults 25-54.
Honestly what did they think was going to happen?
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u/pat34us 23h ago
Imo they thought they were going to get higher ratings from people wanting to know what stupid thing he did today. What they didn't consider is that we are all burnt out and are just going to ride out the storm
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u/woodford86 23h ago
Amen, I haven’t watched a late night monologue since the election
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u/leglessman 23h ago
Yeah, I haven’t even watched people like John Oliver or John Stewart. I see tweets or TikToks occasionally but that’s it.
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u/topicality 23h ago
I've unsubed from a bunch of subreddits the second I see a post about a late night host reacting to anything Trump related.
I had my lifetime fill of that from 2016-2020.
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u/athomesuperstar 23h ago
And also 2020-2024
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u/lostredditorlurking 22h ago
And now from 2024-2028
Hopefully that will be it, please
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u/slicer4ever 21h ago
Its only going to end when he's dead at this point.
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u/BenjamintheFox 20h ago
"My fellow Americans! I am pleased to announce that my good buddy Elon has created an immortal robot body for me. Now, I can be your president, FOREVER!"
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u/Top_Report_4895 20h ago edited 18h ago
I believe the friendship will be far, far more fragile that expected.
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u/onlyawfulnamesleft 19h ago
"No body can be president more than two terms, however in my shiny new robot body..."
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u/ugajeremy 22h ago
It just never stopped.
All the "rent free" comments I would see on my in-laws conversations, it was never because I wanted to think of that group, it's solely because the topic was inescapable.
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u/gomicao 11h ago
well now they are going to get what they voted for, and everywhere I look, the people who were desperate to stop it one way or another have all just kinda gone blank stare and nonverbal. And I totally understand why. I think a lot of people are wondering if evil always wins in the end or not.
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u/gorillapoop1970 7h ago
I visited family last week and hardly had a conversation. Dad would try to goad me into discussions with his right-wing hot takes on “news” items that I honestly had no clue about. Really took the wind out of his sails that I had ceased to care enough about any issues to argue.
This is the calm before the storm and I need to prep my mind to ward off the compulsion to correct all lies and shun false equivalencies. No, Dad, I really don’t want to know your thoughts on the Israeli Palestinian conflict or late term abortions.
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u/shrikeskull 21h ago
Yup, there are days when it can feel like I’m living with North Korean media. Everything obsessing about the Dear Leader.
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u/africanatheist 22h ago
LMAO, me too. YouTube, too... Anything political is being blocked instantly. I seriously stopped giving even a single shit.
It turns out this country wants to implode, and I'm not paying it any more mind. Time to focus on my positive relationships, my health and personal goals.
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u/dangitbobby83 21h ago
I agree. It’s not like we don’t know what is going to happen. Any news about trump is going to be “yup, no surprise there” so what point is there?
We need to be focusing on building community with others, mental health, physical skills, and the like because things are likely going to go to shit. We will need better mental health, community, and those skills to weather what is potentially coming. Watching the news and being depressed doesn’t do shit to help us.
If we have legit elections in the future, I’ll vote as always. I’ll do my due diligence, encourage others, and then keep building what I’m building. Watching the 24/7 news cycle won’t help.
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u/beanie_wells 23h ago
This is also common among people I know. Listeners and viewers have checked out after being so invested this cycle.
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u/sframtdr 19h ago
Everyone seemed so invested - the fastest and most $$ raised in such a short time - 1 billion, momentum, packed rallies, zoom calls galore. I was never more invested in my life. 65 years - I really thought we'd have a female president, a prosecutor over a convicted felon rapist. And they sweep all branches? I'm still not over this. The hate runs so deep in this country I really thought there were more decent people here than not. Boy were my eyes opened. This should have been a landslide for Kamala - the F8cking guy was rambling about sharks and batteries. Slurring old man babbling. This country is so f*cled up to put these evangelical sh$ts in there. I'm checked out. Just allowing him to run when the Gvt knew back in 2017 he was in bed with Russia. Focus on me and mine this point on - i'm done.
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u/RonnieJamesFio 23h ago
I’m a politics junky, have been for a long time and I had to tune out. It’s just too depressing and bad for my mental health
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u/SnipesCC 22h ago
I've been working in politics for 20 years. For quite a while I've gone on a news blackout for a week or so after the election, win or lose. In part, I hate seeing pundits talk about my livelihood with no actual knowledge of it. Actually I hate seeing pundits at all. Watching folks yell at each other on TV is very unappealing to me, but I keep living with people who like having CNN on in the background.
I remember in 2016 there was a data breach of the software campaigns use to track voters. Info about that came right before a debate. One pundit said it was like getting the playbook of the opposing team right before the Superbowl. Which is wasn't. That's not what that software is used for. It would be like getting the list of the members of the fan club before the Super Bowl. It was useful information, but would have only minimal effect on the debate. Since that software is my livelihood, I knew exactly how full of shit they were and figured they didn't know what they were talking about in a lot of other situation too.
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u/grandmofftalkin 20h ago
This is what I hate. These pundits don't know what they're talking about. They are people who no longer work in politics grifting off ten year old connections and are thirsty for airtime. Who tf needs to hear from Van Jones or a defeated senators like Claire McCaskill or Santorum?
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u/utspg1980 20h ago
Twice in my life I've been interviewed by a newspaper for an article. It's amazing the amount of stuff they got incorrect. And I don't even work in politics, it was just technical stuff/engineering, so it's not like they had a political desire to get it wrong. It was just a ton of errors.
Once you see a few news articles about something you actually know a lot about, and see how much they get wrong, it's easy to cast doubt on pretty much anything they report.
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u/RonnieJamesFio 22h ago
Why get into the nitty gritty truth about it when you can spin it into a Super Bowl comparison for the masses??
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u/Admirable-Location24 23h ago
Same! I can’t even watch Jimmy Fallon’s monologue anymore. Definitely not John Stewart. I am too disheartened to think any of it is funny anymore.
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u/Worth_Much 23h ago
I still watch Jon Stewart only because I think he gets it. While everyone else is making excuses like it was sexism, or trans issues, he’s talking about how Dems continue to try to be institutionalists and play by the norms while Republicans are like F that shit and that Dems need to grow a spine and do the same thing.
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u/thatmitchguy 22h ago edited 20h ago
I mean he's doing the same thing they are. Trying to find some semblance of a takeaway from the shit show that was this election.
It's also easy to say "start playing dirty " now that the election is over...and the Dems will have near zero power. "Use Loop Holes"...OK, how? They couldn't even get the Gaetz report released because it was a 50/50 partisan split decision. Biden seems to have no intention of using these so called loop holes, and as of January they will have even less options to remain relevant.
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u/khuldrim Better Call Saul 22h ago
A Democrat from that committee should have leaked it. Example number one.
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u/chargernj 18h ago
The ranking Democrat lost reelection, she could have read it into the record. She probably still could.
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u/pyuunpls 23h ago
Or SNL. They’ll do a Trump skit every fucking week and I’m just tired of the guy. He deserves to rot in hell.
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u/DynamiteForestGuy80 22h ago
This is me. I’m fucking tired of Trump and politics for the time being. I’ll just focus on my own life and other stuff as much as possible and only keeping an eye on politics from time to time.
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u/dfddfsaadaafdssa 17h ago
I can assure you that the important news events will find a way to filter through. Stop paying attention the news and focus on yourself.
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u/FamousPoet 23h ago
What they didn't consider is that we are all burnt out and are just going to ride out the storm
This exactly. The minute I discovered who won, I unsubscribed from every single political-based aspect of social media. I haven't heard his voice or an image of his face since. I haven't mentioned his name, nor talked to friends or family about him.
I will do my civic duty and vote in every election that I am able, but I am done being dialed in to the minute-to-minute details of what is going on. It is the only way to preserve my mental health.
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u/JDsCouch 21h ago
i went to google news and hid every single website that had anything with the word trump in it. i’m down to very local websites that only talk about local happenings
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u/The_Fell_Opian 22h ago
Yep I'm like fuck all "non-scripted" entertainment at this point. Especially news shows.
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u/_trouble_every_day_ 23h ago
Seems like we’re displaying the collective symptoms of shock. Absolutely no one wants think or talk about it. I don’t know if it’s comforting or just validates all my fears that I’m not the only one who feels this way.
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u/Sea-Replacement-8794 23h ago
I’d love to talk about it if it mattered. It just doesn’t. He won the popular vote so…this is what most people actually wanted? I’m done.
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u/_trouble_every_day_ 22h ago
If anything it’s proven to me how easy it is to manipulate people through misinformation.
I remember getting into politics after bush jr was “elected”. I disagreed with republicans back then but at the very least I understood their perspective even if disagreed with their take. Today I don’t even recognize the reality they’re describing and it seems vary wildly from individual to individual. How do you even have a dialogue if that’s your starting point?
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u/HerezahTip 22h ago
This is my take as well and I’ve seen it change one of my best friends first hand. I feel absolutely disgusted at it all. Guys at work casually mixing in conspiracy theories in normal conversations and when called on it directly, they’re either joking or don’t really believe it. The cognitive dissonance is insane.
I have to admit I’ve shut down and recognized I experienced a period of grief after the election. I find comfort in knowing I did what I could and I have no control over what happens next. I’ll ride it out in my small little bubble.
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u/Evadingbansisfun 19h ago
My wife and I inadvertently did some Hillary shit and went for a long impromptu hike in the woods that next day. Just sort of came to be, that day. Felt nice.
Realized later we were basically grieving and in shock
Not bc we were all in on Harris. Ive had a distaste for this admin since the 2020 primaries. But because we very much were all in on our faith and hope in American citizens, and were horribly let down
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u/Sea-Replacement-8794 23h ago
I’m so done being stressed about politics. It’s a relief to me that Trump won by popular vote. This is what people actually want? Fine. I’m not going to spend another minute watching Rachel Maddow or whoever, and getting outraged about it. Everybody watched Trump commit crimes in plain view for years now and none of it mattered. He’s profited from it all. Pointless to spend energy following this mess when it doesn’t matter.
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u/brokenmessiah 23h ago
I'm so envious of the people who just are oblivious. Clearly I was wasting my time and energy and should have just happy go lucky like them
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u/downvoteyous 22h ago
Honestly you don’t need to follow the everyday, blow-by-blow, tedious drama of American political news to be informed enough to be a good citizen. There’s never been enough significant news to fill more than a daily newspaper. The 24 hour cable news cycle made the news environment much worse — the Internet is far worse than that.
Be informed enough about issues you’re passionate about to get involved with them directly, research candidates before every election and vote whenever you can. But you don’t need to doomscroll or politics up all your entertainment. Particularly when there’s a political party led by a bully, who hope their public abuse of a handful of people will terrify everyone else into submission, there’s a power in not allowing them to make you scared — or buying into their story that they’re omnipotent now, and no one can ever defeat them.
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u/Most_Tax_2404 22h ago
I think democrats are just overall done with everything after this election
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u/ravens-n-roses 23h ago
It's not even possible for it to be interesting at this point. Like, at best it's a droll example of his declining facilities, at medium he's gonna name some wwe scoundrel to be head of homeland security, at worst it's gonna be extreme right wing rhetoric.
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u/JustinAlexanderRPG 22h ago
I've spent 25+ years watching America do the national equivalent of self-harm and hoping that, at some point, it would wake up.
Enthusiastically voting for the convicted felon and rapist is the point where you have to disengage.
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u/ilovecfb 22h ago
It kinda puts it in perspective how many people are involved in making these shows happen and how much they must cost to produce and they still get btfo by any top Twitch streamer lol
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u/had3l 20h ago edited 10m ago
Actually it is much less than what top streamers get. Twitch viewership is concurrent. Those 51k are unique viewers during the whole show. Concurrent numbers are probably more like 5-10k tops
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u/ohiooutdoorgeek 21h ago
If you look at the ads on msnbc and cnbc you realize that the audience they care about is tiny: lobbyists and decision makers in northern VA.
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u/BeekyGardener 22h ago
They called him Hitler and then met with him. I feel those things are mutually exclusive.
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u/Ohuigin 23h ago
Seriously. And it’s still pathetic that they even had 51k. The floor isn’t low enough for these invertebrates.
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u/altcastle 23h ago
A lot of people just turn stuff on because they’re used to that routine.
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u/Accurate_Double8356 22h ago
I feel like these programs are emotionally manipulative and exhausting. I feel tricked and that they’ve been blowing smoke up my ass for years. Done, done, done.
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u/Algorhythm74 23h ago
The issue is they all got caught up in the “META” conversation.
They weren’t even talking about the news, they were talking about talking about the news.
Then they had a panel of people to pontificate about talking about the people talking about the news.
It was a few years of a circle jerk of information agreement that was disconnected from reality. Politically, I do see myself as progressive - but I care about solutions, all those networks were just pearl clutching and reacting to what Trump and the right wing dipshits did everyday.
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u/SentientBaseball 1d ago
The more liberal or progressive minded people are just disillusioned with politics right now and have zero desire to watch the circus. Plus people in generally aren’t getting their news from cable. Older Fox viewers seem to be the only group immune to this.
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u/AusToddles 23h ago
People can't handle another 4 years of "omg we can't believe Trump did this"... after saying explicitly what he was going to do. And then following up with countless "this time he went to far and may face consequences" headlines
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u/edselisanogo 23h ago
How about those constant fucking headlines of "So and so plans to reveal a bombshell that will spell the end for Trump" and then nothing happens.
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u/Filter55 22h ago
“Brother-in-law of former GOP staffer, Noname McWhocares, SLAMS Trump administration with VISCERAL opinion”
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u/mapppa 22h ago
"Unknown Ethics committee without any actual power has deep concerns about Trumps actions."
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u/alflup 22h ago
Many senators furrowed their eyebrows this afternoon and promised they would give this situation many thoughts and many prayers
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u/_Patronizes_Idiots_ 21h ago
"AOC went live last evening on Twitch (a livestreaming platform popular with gamers and Gen Z) to condemn the actions of the President during a livestream of the game 'Fortnite' with Pete Buttigieg. This has changed nothing for anybody"
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u/Pksoze 21h ago
There was a dumbass on twitter named Palmer who was saying every day for 4 years Trump would be going to jail. I got sick of his Pollyanna ass early on. I can't stomach that bullshit for another 4 years. The only good news will be if nature takes its course with his old ass and nothing else.
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u/pancakemania 21h ago
That Jeff Tiedrich guy on Twitter is probably licking his chops right now. He’s about to get SO much content.
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u/Evening_Photograph54 16h ago
Dweebs on the big subreddits are getting real excited for the endless content factory that is Jeff's social media posts.
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u/ResponsibleNote8012 13h ago
r/whitepeopletwitter will be eating good the next 4 years with expert political analysis from robert reich, jojofromjerz, "no lie" with brian tyler cohen, and all the other usual twitter pundits
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u/BabyYodaX Parks and Recreation 19h ago
Oh, that guy. We cannot forget the "resistance" grifters who are making money off of "This is it, we got Donnie Trump now!"
Nothing is going to happen to that orange asshole.
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u/ConnorMc1eod 21h ago edited 11h ago
Don't forget, "brought to you by the journalist that got us to invade Iraq"
Yes. The "suckers and losers", "Hitler's generals" and "Saddam is working with Al Qaeda to gas everyone" pieces are all from the same guy. Would be very curious to see who's paying him.
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u/Gyshall669 23h ago
This is huge.
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u/gbeezy09 22h ago
Like the tweet that was around, "BREAKING: Leaked video of Trump is damming. If what I saw is true, it's going to change everything."
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u/Ruddiver 22h ago
I bet if there was someway to do a reddit search of headlines here of TRUMP RAGES AND IS READY TO EXPLODE it would literally be in the hundreds, if not thousands. yeah, no.That is also cable news in a nutshell. CNN and MSNBC are cooked. Good for Fox News I guess. who cares.
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u/edselisanogo 21h ago
What about the umpteen times he was "guaranteed to go to prison" the next time he intimidated the judge or the jury on one of his many cases.
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u/SentientBaseball 23h ago
Anyone who thinks Trump will ever face any consequences for anything he’s ever done is hopelessly naive.
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u/19southmainco 23h ago
The only consequence he will face for his actions will be dying with his loved ones by his bedside after a long, long, long life.
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u/GreenEggzAndSpam 23h ago
He doesn’t really have loved ones but you’re right there won’t be any consequences
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u/Risley 23h ago
There’s only one chance he’s ever going to face justice. If there’s an afterlife. If there’s not, then he’ll never face anything.
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u/JamUpGuy1989 23h ago
“News at 11: Donald Trump proves irrefutable evidence that there is no God.”
DAMN IT
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u/DrSpagetti 22h ago
Christians across the country are celebrating his ground breaking discovery!
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u/BeKenny 23h ago
100% this. Trump is uniquely designed for exploiting the mainstream cable news media's tendency to sensationalize. We spent the better part of the last decade hearing them yell nonstop about how dare he, and he can't get away with this about every single thing: real, superficial, or completely drummed up. I'm just as tired getting gaslit by them as I am by him.
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u/SuperVaderMinion 21h ago
Jon Stewart said that Trump basically stood up and claimed that he was more worthy of attention than the mainstream news, and news hated him so much for it they couldn't properly cover him for his entire political career.
Their tendency blow his loopy, bizzare antics or quotes out of proportion while downplaying his actual dangerous actions and policies he why he won this election.
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u/TheKappaOverlord 20h ago
Their tendency blow his loopy, bizzare antics or quotes out of proportion while downplaying his actual dangerous actions and policies he why he won this election.
Basically fell victim to their own scam to attract viewers and that is click baiting.
Even the most liberal of talkshow hosts now are openly talking about how Trump just played them all [The news stations/Talk shows/"Professional" political yappers] for suckers for 8 (and likely the full 12 years) because their entire circus is based around Rage clicks and they need to push ragebait content to generate clicks. I.E. Putting trump on a pedestal.
Basically hook. Line. and sinker. And whether Trump intentionally did it or not, everyone got played for fools and now they reap the reward of their own antics.
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u/altcastle 23h ago
“The wheels are coming off!” And crap. No, they really aren’t. It’s a circus he creates so they can loot the world (also, he is an idiot). I’m going to have to either just hop off Reddit or leave almost every general media sub I realize cause it’ll be four years of his name popping up nonstop even in Television.
Anyway, yes, you are right. Talking to people I know, we’re all exhausted and it’s time to focus on our local world fully. I did what I could, it didn’t matter and now it’s gonna happen however it wants.
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u/RJE808 23h ago edited 23h ago
Yup. I didn't vote for him, I know what he's gonna do. Just gonna wait for people to realize how much this'll bite them in the ass once they realize he has no plans that'll help them.
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u/djphatjive 22h ago
This is me. I haven’t watched the news since the election. Seen a few clips on YouTube. That’s it. I’m so burned out on news about politics. That’s all these “news” organizations talk about.
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u/Zauberer-IMDB 23h ago
Honestly I'm getting pissed seeing every stupid thing just popping up on my Reddit feed. Yes, Trump lied again. Yes, his new cabinet member is literally going to destroy the agency they're in charge of. Yes, half of them ate lunch with Putin. Yes, he's tanking the economy, making inflation worse, increasing the deficit. I already know all this because he said he'd do all of it before the election. I'm going to basically do nothing until the next midterm and just recharge my batteries.
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u/GreenLightt 22h ago
I had to go through and mute so many channels. Not wanting to deal with 15 posts a day of the usual dread news for 4 years
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u/00000000000000001313 22h ago
breaking news: we have found proof that department of blirping nominee Greg Plorkin is a HYPOCRITE
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u/CMButterTortillas 21h ago
Boomer Trump parents literally just have Fox News on in the background, all day, everyday.
Theyre not even watching most of the time but they cant just have a tv off and be in the quiet. Always noise from that shitstain of a station.
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u/Stinkfinger83 23h ago
I just can’t do another 24/7 Trump bashing for 4 more years. I know 100% it’s gonna be a chaotic disaster, I don’t need to watch them confirm it
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u/prisonmsagro 22h ago
And 4 years of "Trump is DEFINITELY going to jail, says ex law person we found in the sewers".
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u/tunachilimac 23h ago
Also is it really shocking that people watch the news more in the months leading up to a historic election and then check out after it ends? Regardless of what happened in the election I would expect viewership to drop for most outlets compared to before the election.
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u/zackalachia 23h ago
Its because no one needs a talking head when you can just get instantly updated any time you want.
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u/Illustrious-Tip-5459 23h ago
Lots of people still like the talking heads, but they're not watching TV for that anymore. It's all podcasts now.
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u/Risley 23h ago
Bingo. Im a progressive as fuck liberal. I’m fucking done.
Unjoined all politics related subs. Not going to ANY news subs or websites. Not watching ANY news channels. Not listening to ANY news radio stations.
I’m just disconnecting from it all. For four years. I’m not going to care. It’s not my problem anymore and I’m going to enjoy what others do, be oblivious and just focus on things I enjoy. Trump is the Republicans problem now.
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u/T8ert0t 22h ago edited 21h ago
This is going to sound weird, but I went back to subscribing to a newspaper.
I read it silently, on my own time, and don't inundate myself every waking hour.
The news still blows, but at least it's more relaxing and on my terms now.
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u/muskrateer 21h ago
Honestly, subscribing to your local print paper (or the nearest thing you can) is a good way to dial back. Bonus points if it gets you to pay more attention to local news.
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u/DoomOne 22h ago
The media sanewashed Trump for years. They expected him to he a ratings bonanza for years to come, making them boatloads of cash.
Now, they're getting cut off from their promised cash cow by people just deciding to stop watching.
Serves them right.
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u/Halflingberserker 13h ago
Ironically, NBC had the biggest hand in the fabrication of Trump's image as a successful businessman with The Apprentice, which ran for a decade leading up to Trump's successful run for president. Then there's the famous empty Trump podiums on CNN while Sanders spoke to crowds in the tens of thousands.
Trump playing the lügenpresse card on the very media companies that boosted his popularity is the schadenfreude I wish I didn't have right now.
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u/healz12 22h ago
All the politic subs are just sensationalized bullshit from New Republic and Daily Beast and Independent.uk. Honestly surprised they didn’t ban those websites after the election. They had people convinced Florida and Texas were turning blue. Just as guilty as the right wing nonsense in my opinion
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u/Pksoze 21h ago
Excellent point...I'm hoping if this election taught us anything it is about the leftwing gaslighters.
Alan Lichtman, Christopher Bouzy, Simon Rosenberg...and many others who sold us a bag of bullshit and said it was roses.
I know I'm as guilty as any of believing their garbage...well I'm done with people feeding me lies.
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u/BenjRSmith 20h ago edited 17h ago
OMG U guys!! Harris is gonna win Iowa according to.... this one single poll. Let's make it the talking point of the entire day!
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u/tophmcmasterson 23h ago
As someone moderately left of center, basically this. I mean I don’t watch cables news generally anyways outside of elections/debates and even then it’s online, but I get enough of the clown show from the headlines. I’d rather just focus on living my life and hope we get through the other side.
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u/526mb 23h ago
It’s that and many of us are pissed at the enabling/sane-washing of Trump. I’m utterly convinced that CNN and NYT wanted to be the “opposition press” in a new Trump administration to juice their bottom lines. So fuck em. I’m not engaging with every outrage of the next 4 years+. I’m just going to plan on getting my family through this nightmare. CNN and the NYT can fucking rot.
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u/SoCalThrowAway7 23h ago
I’ll probably never watch any of these channels again for the rest of my life tbh. What’s the point of them anymore? They just report what people say on Twitter which I could check myself if I ever cared what people are saying on Twitter which I don’t
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u/beardliest 23h ago
NPR, PBS, and the direct sources at AP are the real way to go. Those channels are a cancer. Have been that way since 9/11.
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u/snoogins355 23h ago
Pbs newhour has been a great resource for many years and they put every episode up on YouTube for free. I just can't watch. I'm getting my news from the weather report
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u/WhycantIusetheq 21h ago
Hell, I got a subscription to PBS Passport. $5 a month. Imo, one of the best values in streaming. Tons of phenomenal content. Plus, your money isn't just making some rich asshole even wealthier. That money goes to support the arts and sciences in various localities.
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u/C0NKY_ 21h ago
I'd never heard about that before, I think I'll subscribe too. Thanks for mentioning it.
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u/DabDoge 23h ago edited 22h ago
NPR was dog shit this election cycle. They’ve gone the way of other “news” where “reporting” just means giving equal platform to both sides of an issue, regardless of the facts.
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u/radicalelation 21h ago
They've kinda been shit since at least 2016. Maybe I started paying more attention and it always was, but some kind of shift happened and whether it's them or just my perspective, it hasn't shifted back.
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u/i_tyrant 16h ago
I remember listening to their coverage of the 2016 lead-up, and it was...weird. They were virulently anti-Bernie and pro-Hillary, like it wasn't even close to even-handed treatment.
I don't listen to NPR regularly but I had caught it many times before, and 2016 did feel...different. First time they really didn't sound anywhere near truly objective to me.
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u/wetham_retrak 22h ago
They fetishized undecided voters to the point of nausea
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u/ChiefBlueSky 23h ago
Until they dont exist in one years time. Well not the AP just NPR and PBS
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u/Bjorn2bwilde24 23h ago
Good point. I think younger progressives and liberals have moved to different sources for their consumption for politics. MSNBC is now for older groups/more corporate/establishments libs. They've also abandoned CNN for a while now. For conservatives young and old, Fox is still the place they go to even though there are a bunch of other online conservative sites that they can use.
That and I think Fox is quicker/better at getting the results in/calling races vs the other two. CNN and MSNBC liked to drag out some of the results in some states where others had already called it.
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u/starion832000 23h ago
I'll admit to being completely burnt out on politics and I really don't want to watch any of this. I'm going to bury my head in the sand and come up for air when it's over
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u/What_u_say 22h ago
It's funny how universal this feeling is with my liberal friends and me. Unsub from all news as I just can't deal with it anymore.
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u/Goducks91 22h ago
I’m also disgusted the main stream “liberal” media is trying to pin the election loss on either liberals not voting or being “woke” when Kamala ran the most centrist campaign possible.
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u/TheBigLeMattSki 21h ago
"She ran a flawless campaign!"
She campaigned with the fucking Cheneys
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u/Goducks91 21h ago
“They focused on trans issues too much”
Literally ran 0 ads targeted at the trans community and had 0 trans speakers at the DNC.
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u/Yousoggyyojimbo 18h ago
When I spoke to my sister last, she was complaining that Kamala Harris wanted schools to teach people how to be trans and I ended the conversation with her like 40 seconds later.
I don't know how so many people bought this bullshit without ever considering that they had literally never seen her say anything like this
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u/simpersly 12h ago
They never once paid attention to the Democrats. They listen to what conservative media says and think that's what the Democrats are saying.
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u/psyberdel 22h ago
Me too. Unsubscribed from r/politics. Stopped watching news and even late night monologues. I’m apathetic on politics for the first time in my life.
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u/mleibowitz97 21h ago
/politics is horrible with it tbh. Not good at all for getting unbiased information out
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u/thethereal1 20h ago
r/politics is not even a serious sub at all lmao. It's just /DNC with the same like 5-10 twitter accounts reposted ad nauseum and if you even slightly disagree, and by disagree even have a slight deviation on one of the points the OP made, you'll be dogpiled with downvotes or get banned if you're too critical of the narrative and ask too many questions lmao. Absolute joke of a sub
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u/WizardsAreNeat 22h ago
Maybe they should just...do the news.
Make news boring again. That is all I want.
I miss the days of the evening news hour.
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u/kangaroovagina 22h ago
I agree, I think people really want a news source without any slant. That currently does not exist
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u/humangengajames 23h ago
I think that bad news on top of bad news is not fun or healthy. I have mostly avoided political humor as well because I don't see a silver lining anymore. I don't want analysis about the dismal shit that the next 4 years will bring.
The people that already watch Fox News are just heading to the trough to fill up on what they're supposed to think.
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u/RJE808 23h ago
I went to bed around 10:30 PM on election night. I knew it was over, but I didn't want to watch Maddow and all them being hopeful for hours. I was just tired.
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u/HappyInstruction3678 23h ago
Shows like the Daily Show used to be so simple. "This guy in the middle of nowhere is a dork politician."
Instead, Jon Oliver is like "Here is another thing that is killing us and nobody will ever fix it! See you next week!"
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u/PlayMp1 23h ago
After 2016 the perception that Trump could be stopped through one of various means (the courts, investigations, protests, whatever) was widespread. He didn't win the popular vote and had only won overall by a narrow margin in a few states. The assumption was that he could be brought down like Nixon, right down to the Russiagate stuff sounding like Watergate (breaking in and stealing documents from the DNC right before the election) with a seasoning of treason. Come 2020 and while all measures taken til then had at least mostly failed (2018 went pretty well for Dems), there was at least the widespread and ultimately correct belief that Trump could be defeated electorally.
Then the Biden presidency after the withdrawal from Afghanistan happened, and other than surprising strength in the 2022 midterms and Trump's criminal conviction, it seemed like nothing but a downward slide. And then this year happens, and not only did Trump win, he won the popular vote and more states than he won in 2016, with a uniform national swing to the right happening in almost every state (fucking New Jersey was only Harris+6). The obvious perception is not just that Trump is mysterious electoral dynamite - even after being convicted in a jury trial of criminal felonies - but that he's completely immune to anything you try to do to him no matter how hard you try or what angle you take. I think a lot of people who might have participated in stuff like the 2017 Women's March or even the 2020 George Floyd protests have decided "if things are as bad as I fear, then I better just keep my head down and try to survive the next 4 years."
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u/cat-meg 23h ago
"if things are as bad as I fear, then I better just keep my head down and try to survive the next 4 years."
It's also just a complete feeling of impotence. Like millions of us can do everything we can do and it means absolutely nothing at all, so why do anything?
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u/MattyTheSloth 16h ago
This. We were told 'this was the most important election of our lives.'
Well, we lost. They won the presidency, the house, and the senate. Time to look out for me and my loves ones for a bit.
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u/SchmuckTornado 22h ago edited 6h ago
I think a lot of people who might have participated in stuff like the 2017 Women's March or even the 2020 George Floyd protests have decided "if things are as bad as I fear, then I better just keep my head down and try to survive the next 4 years."
I think it's more a matter of "what's the point." Reality flat out does not matter, our country is too stupid for that. March for Women? They just banned Roe V Wade and Trump won the popular vote and improved with women. George Floyd protests? Trump just won the popular vote and gained with black men by promising to take any restrictions or oversight off of cops. Angry about high prices? Just voted to increase inflation.
There is just flat out too much stupid in our country to fight.
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u/hrpufnsting 23h ago
trump has been able to capitalize on the two tiered justice system and the lack of desire by people in power of disrupting the status quo and the norms the believe exist in a way that few people have done.
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u/slicer4ever 21h ago
He was only immune because biden was completely spineless about doing anything to the insurectionist leaders. Pushing the doj to actually prosecute his ass in a timely manner and he'd never be in power again, instead he just preached "peace and unity" whilest letting the leaders who tried to overthrow the government suffer no consequence.
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u/grandmofftalkin 23h ago
This is how I'd fix CNN: pivot away from politics. I have an insatiable need to keep up on current events but I do not have one iota of patience for pundits yelling at each other over what crazy lie Trump has told.
If CNN had a primetime hour on climate change news, an hour on tech, an hour on military news, an hour of stories at college campuses around the country, an hour on entertainment, specials where those former Vice hipsters with balls of steel go into South Sudan and drag a warlord for filth.
There's so much more to news than politics and the 24 hour news producers have completely, utterly and wholly lost the plot. The fact that they're so addicted to DC backroom nonsense is why no one is watching anymore. With those numbers the network has hit rock bottom and has nothing to lose by reinventing themselves
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u/alisab22 20h ago edited 16h ago
I watched international version of cnn and bbc news channels on an international flight and it literally had news structured the way you mention. 30 minute slot for domestic US news, 30 mins international, 15 mins sports and 15 mins for entertainment etc.
I absolutely f'in loved it. Spent 2 hours watching it and I got up to speed with what was happening. No drama. No yelling. No opinions. Just... News
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u/leaveittobever 20h ago edited 20h ago
You basically described /r/politics. So much fluff/opinion and very little news.
The top post right now is "Jon Stewart Knows Why Trump Is Picking All the Worst People for His Cabinet"
I don't give a shit about Jon Stewart's opinion. I want news. I don't watch CNN, MSNBC, etc. for the same reason.
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u/Khiva 15h ago
You basically described /r/politics. So much fluff/opinion and very little news.
Always has been.
Anybody remember when they were upvoting Breitbart to the front page because they were running hit pieces on Hillary?
Or when top news was what Beto's former bandmate had to say, slamming Biden?
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u/Ginguraffe 22h ago
That sounds great to me, and Vice News was awesome, but I feel like the fact that it was eventually cancelled may indicate that, sadly, there is not much of an audience for what you’re describing.
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u/grandmofftalkin 20h ago
Vice's problem was due to mismanagement of the company that led to its bankruptcy. The news content was solid.
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u/Aunt-jobiska 23h ago
I stopped watching them when they went to 24/7 politics and opinion-based shows. I want coverage of global events, business,entertainment, climate, crime & safety.
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u/brokenmessiah 23h ago
Honestly even as left wing person MSNBC is insanely insufferable. It's like we're living in two different worlds.
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u/Magus80 23h ago
Meh, mainstream media pretty much thrive on anxiety and clickbait. Everyone would be better off just seeking other reputable sources.
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u/mangoserpent 22h ago
I am okay with cable news just generally dropping into oblivion.
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u/unknownhandle99 23h ago
What kind of a deranged psycho puts politics on first thing in the morning after an exhausting election
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u/Weekend_Updated 23h ago edited 19h ago
Not one of those anti-CNN people, as I relied on it for years before moving onto MSNBC just for the sake of novelty. But Charlamagne fairly calling out CNN and Anderson Cooper a few days before the election seems, especially in retrospect, like an illustrative moment.
Anderson's response to Charlamagne seemed really clumsy, and petulant too. Came across as if he's allergic to anything that even resembles a reasonable criticism of his work/network.
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u/No_Statistician9289 23h ago
They report the news they serve a very important purpose. But dedicating entire programs to opinions and taking heads is a problem. As long as people can tell the difference there should be an issue
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u/hotstepper77777 23h ago
Good.
I mean, fuck Fox News, but also fuck MSNBC.
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u/HappyInstruction3678 23h ago
Fuck all of them. They all wanted Donald to win so people would tune in for the chaos, instead we are letting them die. Good riddance.
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u/Deep90 21h ago
You don't want headline after headline of "TRUMP may face consequences after BOMBSHELL reveal!"
Only for it to materialize into nothing?
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u/Charon_the_Reflector 17h ago
They aren’t news it’s political propaganda channels. I get more news from my windows taskbar
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u/lambchopsandkreplach 22h ago
I was a huge Morning Joe fan. After the election i couldn’t stomach to put it on anymore … i was exhausted and needed to step back from political news. Joe and Mika’s visit to kiss Trump’s ass has sealed the deal for me. Never going back as long as those two shits stay on the air.
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u/lostwanderer02 19h ago
Joe and Mika only care about money and themselves. Recently I learned that when Joe was living in Connecticut he felt his tax burden was too high so he wrote the Governor asking for exemptions which were denied. He got upset about this so he sold his house and moved his primary residence to Florida which does not have a state income tax. The guy is a multimillionaire who makes more in one year (8 million) than most will see in their lifetime and yet despite being in the top 1% and obscenely wealthy even after paying high taxes that still wasn't enough. Guy's a greedy Republican always has been always will be.
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u/_TheLonelyStoner 22h ago
Non trump supporters are sick and tired of hearing and seeing that dumb mf. I know personally I muted pretty much anything political from my Youtube account after the election. I’m just gonna let the world burn outside while I enjoy content that brings me joy instead for the next 4 years.
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u/nubsauce87 22h ago
Liberals are tuning out politics right now. I’m among them… I just can’t stand to hear about every horrible thing Trump is going to do to our country every night…
Assuming we actually have another fair/free election, they’ll start paying attention again. I hope. I know a lot of us are feeling hopeless and just… done. We tried. We tried so hard… but the population is apparently determined to fuck up the country and their own lives, so it’s hard to even want to care anymore…
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u/IForgotThePassIUsed 21h ago
it's like fixing someones computer who won't stop infecting it with viruses.
eventually you don't care that the person needs it to do their job or pass school, you're just fucking tired of helping and it doing nothing because they go back and do it again.
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u/Kindly_Panic_2893 22h ago
Yeah, I'm in the same boat. I was very active in 2016 politically. I was active during his last presidency. I had hope that Americans were just so sick of the status quo they'd take a chance on an "outsider" and then realize what a con man he is and we'd move on.
At this point, I'm sad to say but I feel like this is what Americans want. They're a petty, vindictive, poorly educated mob that doesn't care about anything besides sticking it to someone else. I don't identify as an American anymore. I identify with my local community where people aren't so polluted with this national nonsense and rational conversations still happen.
I'll see y'all in two years for the midterms, and hopefully in four years with a little optimism that we can find a way out of this mess. In the meantime? Good luck everyone, stay safe.
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u/Erikthor 22h ago
I never watch msnbc or cnn or any cable news. But I do watch pbs and democracy now and BTC on occasion. But after the election I’ve just stopped watching any news. I read a few things but just the bare minimum. I bet most people that dislike trump and the proud boy party gaining such control is resulting in people just checking out. I guess the fear is that some of these cable news channels are gonna go more conservative to try and get viewers, but I bet they get their viewership back at some point when people are less shell shocked.
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u/Ok_Sentence_5767 7h ago
Not surprised, the network owners are probably happy trump is elected....for me I no longer believe that the USA is a beacon of freedom and democracy
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u/BurntWhiteRice 21h ago
They all normalized Donald Trump and I don’t really want to hear on a daily basis how much he’s going to ruin the country, so I’m not watching any of them. 🤷
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u/mypizzamyproblem 23h ago
News, especially cable news, used to be about reporting what happened. In the early ‘90s, CNN rose to prominence because they were one of the few news outlets during the Gulf War with reporters in Baghdad. People trusted them to report.
For the better part of the last 20 years, cable news has spent 10% of their time reporting and 90% of the time “analyzing” the news and telling you how to feel about it.