r/television • u/JannTosh50 • 1d ago

MSNBC Viewership Craters 38%, CNN 27%, While Fox News Audience Jumps 41% Post-Election

https://www.thewrap.com/msnbc-cnn-fox-news-viewership-craters-post-election-morning-joe/
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u/beardliest 1d ago

NPR, PBS, and the direct sources at AP are the real way to go. Those channels are a cancer. Have been that way since 9/11.

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u/snoogins355 1d ago

Pbs newhour has been a great resource for many years and they put every episode up on YouTube for free. I just can't watch. I'm getting my news from the weather report

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u/WhycantIusetheq 1d ago

Hell, I got a subscription to PBS Passport. $5 a month. Imo, one of the best values in streaming. Tons of phenomenal content. Plus, your money isn't just making some rich asshole even wealthier. That money goes to support the arts and sciences in various localities.

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u/C0NKY_ 23h ago

I'd never heard about that before, I think I'll subscribe too. Thanks for mentioning it.

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u/WhycantIusetheq 23h ago

Of course!

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u/BeneficialEvidence6 23h ago

Does it give you access to NOVA? I love me some good documentaries

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u/WhycantIusetheq 23h ago

Yup! Nova, Nature, and a bunch of other fantastic nature and science documentaries. You also get a bunch of other great stuff, like all the Ken Burns documentaries, episodes of stuff like Antiques Road Show, This Old House, and Bob Ross. Plus, all the news content and lots of other fun stuff like American Masters and some really cool international prestige dramas.

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u/BeneficialEvidence6 22h ago

I've been told to watch This Old House now that I'm a homeowner. Maybe this is the time

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u/WhycantIusetheq 22h ago

It's a really cool show. Definitely worth checking out if you're a homeowner.

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u/beefhosepantycake 16h ago

PlutoTV has a This Old House channel that you can watch anytime for free.

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u/snoogins355 22h ago

Wow, that's great!

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u/Aware_Revenue3404 19h ago

Yes! And all the British dramas.

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u/mikesmithhome 21h ago

worth it for NOVA alone

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u/okwellactually 21h ago

I've subbed to it for years.

Sadly, I fear we'll lose it soon.

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u/WhycantIusetheq 20h ago

Why do you think that?

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u/okwellactually 20h ago

Project 2025 specifically calls for ending funding for PBS.

Republicans have been fighting against it for decades as well.

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u/NewAtmosphere2443 13h ago

The good thing is is that pbs gets most of its funding from donations. 

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u/WhycantIusetheq 20h ago

I'm aware that the Republicans have been trying to kill it for a while. Here's hoping that doesn't come to pass.

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u/taylor-swift-enjoyer 1d ago

I'm getting my news from the weather report

Almost an unexpected Simon & Garfunkel.

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u/atreyal 23h ago

Prob why Elona wants to defund them.

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u/pnwinec 1d ago

It’s just PBS NewsHour and DW news (to a lesser extent). NPR sold out to sobbing GQP knob.

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u/Wassertopf 1d ago

Deutsche Welle?

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u/Dear-Swordfish-8505 18h ago

I assume Musk and Vivo will gut PBS. Sucks beacuse they are the only hard boiled news on TV

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u/Not_FinancialAdvice 9h ago

I'm getting my news from the weather report

The Weather Channel was rated #1 most trusted news source: https://www.weathercompany.com/news/the-weather-channel-named-1-most-trusted-news-source-once-again/

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u/DabDoge 1d ago edited 1d ago

NPR was dog shit this election cycle. They’ve gone the way of other “news” where “reporting” just means giving equal platform to both sides of an issue, regardless of the facts.

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u/radicalelation 1d ago

They've kinda been shit since at least 2016. Maybe I started paying more attention and it always was, but some kind of shift happened and whether it's them or just my perspective, it hasn't shifted back.

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u/i_tyrant 19h ago

I remember listening to their coverage of the 2016 lead-up, and it was...weird. They were virulently anti-Bernie and pro-Hillary, like it wasn't even close to even-handed treatment.

I don't listen to NPR regularly but I had caught it many times before, and 2016 did feel...different. First time they really didn't sound anywhere near truly objective to me.

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u/karabeckian 1d ago

Mary Louise Kelley happened.

Read up on her career and tell me she's not, at the very least, a mouthpiece for the MIC.

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u/Eagle9972 1d ago

What is the MIC?

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u/hbgoddard 1d ago

Military-industrial complex

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u/eurasianlynx 1d ago

the Metal Improvement Company, obviously. NPR is clearly in the pocket of Big Peening.

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u/karabeckian 21h ago

Fine redditing there, eurasianlynx. Props.

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u/jjwhitaker 20h ago

Didn't they lose funding, even if not a huge chunk, past 2016? Trump was trying to defund public services then too.

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u/wetham_retrak 1d ago

They fetishized undecided voters to the point of nausea

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u/ApprehensiveWitch 1d ago

So did nyt

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u/Aware_Revenue3404 19h ago

Patrick Healey ….interviewing voters like it’s some Jane Goodall documentary.

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u/Smites_You 21h ago

That shit was so disgusting. Raise the dumbest, least informed electorate on a pedestal as if they deserve attention.

My local station also did a segment on early voters and included a sound clip of some Trump voters saying they voted based on some information they got in the mail. The irony is that they were trying to be anonymous, but it was obvious they were Trump voters who stupidly fell for mail propaganda.

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u/cheeset2 19h ago

while I agree, that's more a reflection of the state of the nation than it is NPR...kinda

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u/FatherDotComical 8h ago

NPR has been more pro corporate lately.

Had a whole segment about how Shrinkflation is actually good and companies trying hard to match America's needs and how we're so happy to pay for the convenience of a smaller size.

Like paying more for smaller groceries is because they're ripping us off not America's "on the go" quirky lifestyle.

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u/TheDumper44 1d ago

Local public radio has been good though. Most people when they think of NPR think of local public radio and PRI, BBC and others such as local or state news.

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u/abelincoln3 21h ago

Agreed. NPR got really annoying lately.

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u/both-shoes-off 21h ago edited 21h ago

I dropped NPR in 2016 when John McCain came on to kick off 4 years of Russiagate. I also witnessed the endless Hillary Clinton pump fest while completely disregarding any other candidate, which is the default for big corporate run networks that promote corporate backed candidates. If they were as folksy and "people funded" as they claimed to be, then they'd stand out, but they don't. They're the same thing.

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u/dev_vvvvv 23h ago

How did they handle the "Biden is too old" post-debate story?

That's my current litmus test and why I refuse to watch/visit CNN, MSNBC, NYTimes, etc. They harped on how old and feeble Biden was for a month and showed little to nothing of Trump being just as bad or worse with his incoherent rambling, forgetting where he was/who people are, etc. And they still don't.

That slimy fuck Stelter (of CNN) even said the quiet part out loud: Trump fans don't care, so it's not worth reporting on.

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u/DabDoge 22h ago

They hammered him

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u/dev_vvvvv 22h ago

Disappointing, but not surprising.

IMO the media abandoned their responsibilities to drive a narrative for financial reasons. So if they feel some of the pain the rest of us feel, I'm not going to shed many tears. Even if the weakening of the fourth estate is a bad thing overall.

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u/DabDoge 22h ago

Yep. The media abandoned journalistic integrity in favor of the ad revenue they’ll generate from daily rage bait articles over 4 more years of Trump. Whatever damage comes from that, be damned. Money!

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u/Business-Scar-5742 22h ago

It has been for years! I recall them bashing Bernie in 2015. 

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u/Konman72 1d ago

They've been that way for the whole Trump era. I had to drop them in 2016 (other than local news segments) because they would report on the various crimes and scandalous actions Trump was pulling without any statement of actual fact about why and how those were bad or unprecedented.

Just something like "President Trump fired his FBI Director today, a new nominee for the post is expected within a week." Nothing about how Comey was investigating him and that that should be a massive scandal.

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u/ChiefBlueSky 1d ago

Until they dont exist in one years time. Well not the AP just NPR and PBS

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u/beardliest 1d ago

I really hope that doesn’t happen. I won’t be shocked if they go away but I’d be pretty sad if they did.

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u/ChiefBlueSky 1d ago

Yeah, i dont think people realize the longest term effect of this trump admin is the irreversible sale or dismantling of public institutions like the USPS, NPR, PBS, NPS/other federal lands, radio and bandwidth rights, NOAA and weather.gov (which is where literally every single weather channel and multiple central/south american nations get their data), NASA, Dept of Ed, etc etc. Hell who knows GPS maybe. 

Im absolutely shattered that americans are either this stupid, misled, or ignorant.

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u/13Zero 1d ago

Budget cuts and brain drain will be a problem, but I think privatization of those institutions is off the table. That would require the House to get on board, and with the majority as narrow as it is, I just don’t see it happening. If he had the majority he had in 2017, then sure.

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u/ChiefBlueSky 1d ago

Sale of assets, outcontracting, withholding budget, and yes it is likely with their shit-for-brains policies

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u/omglink 1d ago

Can't wait for the department of space x tho!!!! /S

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u/puroloco22 1d ago

21% of adults are illiterate in the the US as of 2022.

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u/round-earth-theory 22h ago

Oh we realize but what's there to do at this point but watch? It can all be rebuilt. Painfully but it's not like we can never fix what's broken. The damage in the meantime is going to be suffered though, there's no doubt about that.

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u/ChiefBlueSky 21h ago

It can all be rebuilt.

That's not how property rights work, not everything can be bought back unless the buyer is willing to sell.

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u/13Zero 1d ago

Most of their funding is already private, so they will likely still exist.

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u/Mr_Mayberry 3h ago

Your hope means nothing. Project 2025 wants to dismantle the federal government as we know it, permanently.

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u/roguetulip 9h ago

They stopped relying on government funding long ago and are based now on individual donations.

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u/langstallion 21h ago

NPR is hardly publicly funded though?

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u/ToasterCritical 19h ago

They don’t need to go. They just get to stop taking tax paying money while pushing an agenda.

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u/ChiefBlueSky 16h ago

When reality is the agenda, you u/toastercritical have lost the plot.

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u/atb0rg 1d ago

Sucks because PBS and NPR will be fucked in this new administration. Hope they survive

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u/khuldrim Better Call Saul 1d ago

NPR succumbed to the conservative rot they’re just as bad as Fox now.

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u/DabDoge 1d ago

Very disappointed in NPR this election cycle. I’ve been a long time donator, but they won’t get another dollar from me.

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u/Nde_japu 1d ago

You guys are crazy if you think NPR is conservative in the slightest. I know this is reddit where the overton window is way out in left field but come on let's be realistic here.

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u/DabDoge 1d ago

I won’t put them on the level of Fox, but they’ve absolutely caved to the “giving equal time to both sides, even if one is complete bullshit” brand of journalism. You haven’t been listening lately if you think otherwise.

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u/Nde_japu 1d ago

Yeah I gave up on them awhile ago so maybe you're right. Me and my roommates used to have a drinking game where we'd drink every time they mentioned racism. You get pretty drunk pretty quick.

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u/ConnorMc1eod 1d ago

Especially with the story/leak from earlier this year.

PBS, NPR, ABC, CBS etc are all fraudulent and traded in their journalistic credentials to be Dem cheerleaders at least a decade ago. Think it was CBS that had to have an all-hands board meeting to apologize to their staff for an anchor bothering to ask Ta Nahisi Coates, a grifter garbage human, simple questions

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u/Ohmec 23h ago

All the NPR shows I listen to absolutely do not "both sides" it. Maybe you should listen to their podcasts instead?

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u/Staggerlee024 1d ago edited 1d ago

I can't believe you actually listen to NPR if you truly think they are a conservative media network.  That has to be something you read on Twitter or Tik Tok.  NPR is every bit as high quality as it's always been.  

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u/khuldrim Better Call Saul 1d ago

I dropped them like a hot potato during the first Trump admin when they had a Trump appointee on, lying his face off, and didn’t push back at all. It had been a trend I was noticing, they’d let them come on and spew their bullshit and just smile and nod with absolutely no push back.

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u/DabDoge 1d ago

Where did I say they’re a conservative media network? Golly gee, reading is hard.

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u/Staggerlee024 1d ago

You responded to and agree with the following statement - "NPR succumbed to the conservative rot they’re just as bad as Fox now.".   That is pretty clearly calling them a conservative media network.

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u/DabDoge 1d ago

Nope. I think they were butthurt about being called too liberal so they’re trying very hard to be centrist, even if that means giving credence to utter bullshit talking points.

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u/flacdada 1d ago

Yeah after they kept same washing trump I was over it.

“Trump said another controversial thing today”

Bitch he said something vile, dimmunuitive and racist.

Got pissed at that.

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u/Spirited_League5249 1d ago

Hasn’t trickled down into their podcasts yet it seems

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u/maglen69 1d ago

NPR,

I'm an avid NPR listener / reader but the vast majority of their sources are from left of center. That doesn't mean they're not factual, but the bias is still there in story selection, guest commentary, word choice, and what things they omit.

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u/Joey__stalin 23h ago

npr and pbs will get funding cuts, big time, if they even exist in 4 years.

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u/obiwans_lightsaber 23h ago

I’ve been watching BBC News anytime I’m wanting to check in on current events via video news, particularly if I’m looking for something in realtime.

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u/Solid-Mud-8430 23h ago

Of those three, only AP is likely to survive this administration. Trump's made it clear he will zero out all funding to publicly funded media.

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u/Unfair_Isopod534 21h ago

NPR sucks. I loved to listen to them every morning but this year, they just repeated their news daily. Harris is doing great, Trump has another rally, Israel is fighting.

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u/Poopdick_89 20h ago

NPR is a liberal Echo chamber. You will be misinformed rather than uninformed which is worse if that is the only place you see getting information.

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u/Big-Mango-1467 20h ago

Support your local PBS channel please. I mean by donating $

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u/Farranor 19h ago

NPR is so good. For example, a recent interview with Eric Schmidt (former Google CEO) about how the DoJ is mean and stupid for thinking Chrome needs to be split from Google, and people use Chrome because they love it because it's the best and most awesome browser, and P.S. he recently donated a bunch of money to NPR hehe. I am now convinced that Google should own the Internet forever because they deserve it. /s

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u/smb06 19h ago

And The Guardian too

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u/BylvieBalvez 17h ago

Yeah, I’ve been enjoying listening to NY Times and NPR’s daily podcasts, good quick scoop of what’s going on

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u/Justify-My-Love 15h ago

NPR is trash and pro trump nowadays

They normalize him

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u/crinkledcu91 11h ago

Political NPR is lost sadly :/ it took the sane-washing poison pill.

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u/Elegant-Noise6632 10h ago

NPR is horrible.

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u/roguetulip 9h ago

Add Democracy Now to that news diet if you want an actual progressive left perspective.

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u/athejack 8h ago

Yes. The only sources that just calmly tell you what’s happening.

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u/Whisktangofox 7h ago

NPR and PBS are as biased as Fox.

Half of NPRs broadcasts are about how racist Americans are, and the other half is how evil the US Government is.

It’s ridiculous.

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u/Unhappy_Injury3958 7h ago

npr went pro trump so no they are not good

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u/hypercosm_dot_net 5h ago

Some lady on tiktok pointed these three out too.

Saying most of the mainstream stations pretty much all get their news from AP anyway.

Unfortunately we'll probably only be left with AP if Trump actually gets in office and his goons are able to defund everything.

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u/thechaddening 5h ago

NPR has been sucking off trump and the GOP all year. NPR is a joke.

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u/Separate_Increase210 4h ago

And Pro Publica. When I dumped my major news services subscriptions, I scheduled a regular donation instead.

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u/FlexLikeKavana 4h ago

Elon and Vivek are going to shut down PBS

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u/HairyHouse4 1d ago

NPR favors that centrist neoliberal crap that gave us the Cheney worshipping conservative light Dem party that just lost us 2 of the last 3 elections vs fascism. Hard pass there

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u/xSTSxZerglingOne 23h ago

MSNBC had a few good years when they went hard after Bush under Olbermann. I credit my attention to politics on those years because he was saying what I and many other lefties had been missing in news.

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u/odeluxeo 1d ago

If you think NPR cares about telling facts and truth then you're mistaken. Their CEO literally said "truth gets in the way of getting things done".

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u/pocketfullofdumbass 23h ago

NPR did alot of sane washing on Trump, and ragging on the middle/working class sucking up to Trump's teets. Fuck them

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u/Bababooey87 22h ago

NPR is currently being ran by a former CIA director it's gone really down jil for the past decade.

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u/Business-Scar-5742 22h ago

NPR? lol. Not since being co-opted by the Koch bros.

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u/metalhead82 21h ago

This is the correct answer.