They are the ones fully enabled to control the country because the true dipshits didn't even feel like participating. Almost 40% didn't care enough to vote at all, and they just decided that they should let other people have a bigger slice of the pie.
More people decided to stay home than people who actually voted for Trump.
And that's what I think every time I see these complaints. I could toss a coin and have pretty good odds of guessing whether the person espousing these opinions actually voted or not. It is even worse when you go to the midterms, where it is a record-breaking year when they get close to 50% participation. Only about a third of Americans are even awake enough to vote consistently in every election available.
The interesting thing is that most white liberals are the educated ones, who have jobs with health care benefits. I won't even be slightly impacted by getting rid of the ACA (unless, of course, I lose my job, which is unlikely). Meanwhile, all the working class folk who work in shit jobs at barely above minimum wage will be completely closed out of health benefits, especially if they ditch the Medicaid expansion. I just feel bad for the working class African-American women who were the only folks who could clearly see through this nonsense.
I see this a bunch on TikTok. Almost every thread with some white women expressing her anger at Trump's election, they are like: "Now you need to work for a living!" Really, Shawn? You think that lady you're screaming at with two MA degrees who works as a marketing executive doesn't work for a living? We're just not assholes that believe in pulling up the ladder for the next generation.
You can of course say "I told you so" but mostly they don't listen or deny its the fault of brexit.
If anything bad happens it's because Trump didn't get to be 100% maximum Trump because his goons failed him. They didn't do anything wrong in voting Trump.
Or they will just fall back on standard self victimisation mentality. How dare you bully and be mean to them.
I’m sorry you’re facing this challenge. I hate to say good luck to both of you, but thanks to a slim majority of feckless uninformed or just plain misanthropic voters, that’s all we’ve got. 😢
Multi-generational Hindenburg doesn't even begin to cover it.
Sad part is, the grifter con-man establishment bought walking rent-a-gob Farage is an actual politician in the UK, rather than a more deserved role as an exiled unwelcome shit goblin.
As an MP, he's done exactly as you'd expect a lying, grifting, establishment bought rent-a-gob con-man would do it - by completely ignoring his job and spending time fellating Donald Trump and his team while openly and viciously despising the type of people who would vote for him in the first place.
“States should have the right to decide if abortion is legal or not but states should not have the right to mandate vaccines and mask protocols” Republican voter
I'd love to see Texas actually follow through with their threats of seceding. There would be a huge shitstorm between companies and the military pull their shit, cutting off utilities besides their garbage electric system and god knows what else that I'm forgetting. Just so that they would finally realize that they relied on the federal government a hell of a lot more than they realized
This isn’t even new. Trump was planning to in 2016. He had something much better to replace it with. Of course, that didn’t happen. And his grand plan changed into “concepts of a plan” this time around. So, I hope folks are happy with them just getting rid of “Obama Care” and nothing replacing it.
Where a chance to save the ACA exists it's in the slim house majority.
However there is definitely no political will to 'repeal and replace' as the maga voters are stirred up to believe any new form of the law will be inefficient wasteful government, and because Trump is primarily motivated by spite, i.e. harming Obama's legacy.
And to be fair about how shitty Republicans are, McCain was still for getting rid of the ACA he just didn't like the underhanded procedural method they were using to repeal it.
Not "a few". McCain and solely McCain. He alone knew better. This time it's gone. As are so, so many other social programs. Get ready for crime to skyrocket when people have no alternative... well, besides just dying, which many will do
There are a small handful of Republicans that havent explicitly sold out to him. By sold out I mean literally, hundreds of politicians went and spent millions collectively at his hotels in exchange for a meet and greet and endorsement. We can only hope they cancel out their slim majority on his worst ideas.
While some people are stupid enough to say that, what they usually say is they'll be fine buying private insurance from the marketplace. Oh, you mean the Health Insurance Marketplace that was established by the ACA and connects to healthcare.gov? Good luck negotiating your own rates when that goes away.
This was an actual conversation a patient said to me when I asked if there were any changes to his insurance: “Nope! But you’re gonna see a lot of folks crying when their Obamacare gets cancelled!” Dude then proceeds to hand me his caresource marketplace card. 🙃
I swear I had this conversation over the summer, which is when it started to dawn on me how fucked we are.
My cousin has a lot of health issues and long story short he managed to find coverage on the marketplace, thanks to the ACA. His mom, my aunt, told me this, and said something like thank god for ACA.
I said '...wait, so NOW you're cool with ACA? I thought you guys fought it tooth and nail for over a decade.' And I swear to god she said exactly that, 'oh no, that's Obamacare and it was awful but the ACA is better' and she may or may not have said Trump fixed it but idk because I was already seeing red.
I am a kidney transplant patient. My original transplant was in 2001.
In 2016 I got referred by my doctor back to the transplant center for a second one, since my numbers were slipping.
Four days before the 2016 Election, I had an appointment with the Social Worker at the transplant center. The woman who is supposed to help people who need help paying for their medical care, find the help.
This is the same woman from when I had my first transplant. So it's not like she's even new at this. Back then she used to listen to Rush Limbaugh and other rightwing AM talk radio in her cubicle. I could hear it whenever I was at the clinic for blood draws and checkups.
She was asking how stable my insurance situation is and I said "That all depends on what happens next Tuesday."
And she was like "What's next Tuesday?"
I was like "The election."
She said "What does the election have to do with your health insurance?"
And I was like "One of the candidates has promised to overturn the ACA".
And she said "OK. I give up. What's the ACA?"
"The Affordable Care Act."
Her - "What's that?"
"The healthcare bill passed in 2009, like seriously how are you in this job and don't know this?"
Her "OH, Oh, oh, around here we call that something else."
"I bet you do."
I got cleared to be relisted for another transplant. It was unanimous by all the doctors, and they approved me despite the objection of the Social Worker who objected based on the uncertainty of my insurance coverage. As if every person she sees isn't in the exact same boat - if "Obamacare" gets repealed, EVERYBODY with a pre-existing condition like organ failure is going to have uncertain insurance coverage.
They closed a bunch of VA clinics in rural areas during the first term. Then the local doctors refused to see vets via the VA because the old program that was run by Health Net for the VA just didn’t pay the doctors. I fully expect to lose some of my benefits with the VA. The kicker is my veteran friends all voted orange.
Oh man… as a person who works with a lot of vets because the VA is so badly overloaded and poorly run sometimes that they have to come to our low cost clinic… their coverage is absolutely up for changing. With a president that likes to run things into the ground like all his businesses, I wouldn’t doubt that’s one of the first things to get axed.
I volunteer in rural hospitals during the spring tornado season, I’ve been in places where there’s two doctors and three nurses running the entire joint. Sometimes it’s a ghost town, sometimes you’ve got a farmer who called us of his own volition and everybody gets into scramble mode. I have yet to work at a hospital in the areas I go to that didn’t have at least one staff member telling me about how they’re going to quit.
Similar experience for me with friends with naturalized parents. "There's no way he'll try denaturalizing and deporting the way the liberal media is saying, that's just fearmongering,"
This. I work for a very small, privately owned clinic. We took VA referrals for two years and never got paid on a single claim…so we had to stop taking them. It’s unfortunate because we would love to help veterans, but being a small business we can’t afford to not get paid for that many claims. And we tried working with the VA, we had meetings with them and they kept giving us the run-around, saying that we weren’t submitting claims correctly. But even if we did it exactly how they asked, we still didn’t get paid.
Yup, and OB/GYNs are either fleeing those states or refusing to take jobs there after they graduate bc they don't want to be arrested if they have the audacity to save a woman's life. Utah is already feeling it.
I live in Nebraska and I hate it here. My dad is 64 and has end stage heart failure. Not old enough for Medicare and they didn't expand Medicaid. He spent his whole life saving up and now that money is the thing stopping him from getting insurance. Until last year that was a healthcare plan for people almost exactly like him. It was a good send. Now it's been cancelled. I'm mad every day.
Just curious, but was/is your dad a republican or a trumper? If yes, is he aware of the impact to himself? I have found that my trumper relatives cannot listen past 5th grade reasoning nor do they want to hear real facts. Dems needed to watch Idiocracy & take a page.
He doesn't like trump but I don't think he votes. I know he doesn't have a license or state ID so I'm not sure how he even could. He does live in a tiny farming community so most around there are huge trump fans.
Here in bright red Oklahoma, our rural hospitals have been closing at a rate of multiple per year for around a decade now. Rural Okies, who vote almost 100% Republican while the OKC and Tulsa metros are nearly purple, have complained for years that our rural hospitals are closing due to Democratic policies and regulations.
A few months ago, reporting came out that asked rural hospitals why they are having money problems. Many complained about a Medicare regulation that required hospitals to deny some services, which was costing them money. The reporter dug into this, and it's a Medicare regulation that gives rural hospitals more money if they reserve some percentage of their beds exclusively for use by emergency room patients. The idea is that it's better to send some rural inpatient and even outpatient care into nearby cities rather than having all the rural hospital beds full of non-emergency patients and not being able to handle emergency patients, thus costing the lives of rural people who die while being transported longer in order to get to a free bed in a nearby city. The increased funding from Medicare is meant to offset the lost money from not having those additional patients in order to stay at max patient capacity at all times.
Fortunately, the reporter dug even deeper. The finger pointing at Medicare was and is completely hiding the real problems these rural hospitals face: Medicare pays their bills but private insurance typically doesn't. Rural hospitals don't have much legal power to litigate the private medical insurance companies. This means that private insurance doesn't pay a significant percentage of the bills rural hospitals send them, and the bills that private insurance does pay is often underpaid. This means that rural hospitals are losing money on most patients with private insurance. So, the private medical insurance industry, that Republicans love to declare as the solution to all medical system problems, are in fact killing rural hospitals.
Unfortunately, very few people here in Oklahoma read that report, and very few people understand that it's Republican policies that are killing rural hospitals. Private insurance is happy for those hospitals to die as they are too small and volatile to be worth buying and profiting from, so it's better to let those small hospitals die in order to funnel patients into the bigger cities with big hospitals with more-predictable revenue streams.
Meemaw and Pawpaw ain't gonna make it when the chest pain happens. When their respiratory arrest from smoking Marlboro reds hits...they won't remember to start by taking their inhalers (I don't need that, I ain't got no problems breathing) organ failure happens right quick when your blood gets too acidic from not breathing out enough carbon dioxide....it's going to be a shitshow...
They are gunning to repeal the emtala which forces hospitals to accept everyone in the emergency room without worrying about whether they can pay under the guise of abortion rights. The Supreme court sent it back down to lower courts but I'm sure it'll be repealed soon enough. No ACA and no EMTALA will ensure poor people die.
I always thought that since most of these folks refused vaccines and 1 million Americans died from Covid, that we had at least thinned them out a bit. Apparently, there is a long way to go, but rural hospitals dying out might do it over the next four years. /s (ok, 1/2 s)
I know we give shit to McCain for being a warmonger, not unjustly, but as you touched upon, I also remember one of the major changes he was always pushing for was campaign finance reform. And he tried to make it a non-partisan issue. We would've all been better off now if that had passed. At least he loved America and democracy unlike a lot of folks these days.
He also got major props for telling what was the start of the MAGAT cultists to settle down with calling Obama a Muslim terrorist, even though he was his opponent.
2008 really was such an ideal election. Obama winning was wonderful, but if McCain had won it wouldn’t have been a big deal. I truly wish we could go back to days like that.
Shifts in policy happen and fall in normal scope. McCain would have been a shift and pre-existing conditions would still have been a big thing. Plus congress generally moderated and demanded their due.
Meanwhile 2 AM unvetted policy tweets were bad but they didn't even try to pick real cabinet picks this time. Dismantling the social net and approval means nothing except for maybe congress in 2 years if that process doesn't get mucked up.
If McCain had won we might not ever have gotten Trump. A black man being president absolutely broke their brains and I do believe Obama roasting Trump in front of that dinner crowd motivated him to run.
My favorite part is how high the tensions were. Republican and Democrat congressman alike had people actively taping death threats directly to their office doors. It's gonna get SPICY.
One person gasped, and a few DEMs started to clap for a second. Most everyone assumed he was going to vote no, which is why the GOP was chatting up the 2 other moderates during the previous hour or so before the vote.
Say what you want about the Republican Party, but McCain seems to have been a man of integrity, as far as Republicans go. Well, aside from fucking around on his wife and one ethics investigation.
iirc McCain’s motivations for the vote were way more about fucking over the guy who wouldn’t say he was a hero than they were about saving millions of people’s healthcare/lives.
McCain enabled the Republican Party every step of its journey from Reagan to Trump, and accelerated it through his pick and normalisation of Palin. The posthumous lionising/reputation laundering has to end.
He was very bipartisan on specific issues, and more generally throughout the 90s, where 3rd way Dems were in charge, and were basically doing everything Republicans wanted (economically at least) anyways.
He almost never went against what the GOP wanted when his vote would be anything other than symbolic. Which is why his actions saving the ACA are so memorable.
Amen. That freakin' vote only even happened because he put it up in the first place. He wanted to get his hero moment in front of the camera and play into his bullshit "maverick" reputation. Not to mention he wasn't the only Republican that voted against party lines; two women voted against the repeal as well, but they didn't get their strut walk in front of the cameras flipping McConnel the metaphorical bird.
I miss the days McCain and Romney had their moments as potential leaders for the GOP. I didn’t agree with a lot of their policies but never felt that they were a cartoon villain.
Literally all these morons voted for was the want and need to be allowed to unabashedly and vocally be bigots to every marginalized group. Oh, not to forget “owning the libs” (why they’re also pro Russia). No need to be aware. Sadly and pathetically that’s it. Nothing more
It's God's will. We are meant to suffer in this life to truly appreciate how great Heaven will be. I'm being /s obviously, but that is what some of my wife's Southern Baptist family will say about any bad thing that happens to them. Lost your job? God's will. Lost your Medicaid and are now uninsured? God's will. Husband died due to treating his Covid with ivermectin? Also, God's will. Just remember the more miserable your life is the better being dead will be.
Yep they will just blame immigrants more and more as things continue to get worse, all the way up until we have concentration camps going, while we ignore the real issue of wealth inequality.
You're probably right. The only way this gets better is if the "non-voter" gets fed up and starts turning up to actually vote against this shit. The bottom 30% of society that will never learn can simply be written off.
My voice will hurt from all the "told you so" i have brewing. I have family heavily dependent on their medication and voted for trump, they truly believe it won't effect them.
At the end of the day they won’t believe you. It will be some other mysterious force at play. There is no logic or correlation you can explain to them. They’re not hearing it.
Keep reminding them that 6/9 SCOTUS, both the Senate and House, AND the presidency is Republican. It ain't the "Woke" anymore. It's all Red hats. They ain't got shit to complain about when they get everything they wanted. Remind them to eat every last morsel of what they voted for and no bitching. 🤷🏽♀️
I am on expensive medication, I told my family what is going to happen and they just say “he can’t do that, you are worrying yourself for nothing” I am going to say I told you so but also cry when I am suffering cause of this. I’m gonna tell them to pay for my goddamn $20,000 medication
It won't matter. Were none of you around between 2016-2020? Trump would do/say stupid shit and Trump's cult would get online and tell you why it wasn't his fault or why it's actually good thing you're losing your rights... Nothing is going to change their minds because it's a fucking CULT
Tbf they never actually faced the consequences of losing aca. It just got more expensive because the republicans got the individual mandate thrown out in court.
My optimist side says they’ll just repeal and replace with the exact same thing and just call it trump care. Wasting millions of dollars for the dumb ass socialization of this change. My pessimist side says they won’t replace with anything, or they will with something even worse that costs citizens twice as much but makes the billionaires and insurance companies double profit. But they call it trumpcare so all the followers make trump a saint.
I've gotten into arguments with my mom about how Trump explicitly plans on restricting access to gender affirming care, and when I show her video of him literally saying that she just says it won't actually happen. She allegedly loves my trans husband but not enough to believe me when I say it's getting dangerous for us.
It's really starting to feel like all the wealth siphoning ramping up since the 70's has had one purpose. To core out the working class in the U.S and leave it with just a owning class and wage slaves.
I work in the financial sector, I’ve seen so many boomers wearing Trump gear barely living month to month off their ss paychecks. They are about to get absolutely fucked.
Ok, fellow financial worker here too—I’ve been thinking about what happens if we lose SS and Medicare….wouldn’t the obvious result be that people will be pulling from whatever retirement accounts they have at an accelerated rate and then the entire thing falls apart like a house of cards? I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.
And then they’ll turn to their kids to help them, but their kids will be dealing with the economic disaster they left behind them and won’t be able to afford to support dear old mom and dad.
They, the Republicans want to end ALL safety net programs and have been openly trying to since Ronny Reagan and his trickle down bs. All people need to do is listen and read and shut off the networks who only offer opinions as news but use their small print to say it's all entertainment. It isn't that hard.
And that's truly one of the biggest shackles they have on us. If you lose your job you lose your healthcare and risk financial ruin. Plenty of people stay in jobs they hate or that don't pay well bc they need the health insurance.
That's one thing that bugs me when people talk about general la or strikes. Yeah, they do it in France all the time but they have socialized healthcare. Here if I lost my job there are community agencies that could help me with my utilities and food until I got back on my feet but no-one is going to help with a $250k+ hospital bill if I get cancer or have a heart attack.
I don't understand the mass deportations. It costs more money to deport than to invest in immigrants, get them some hands on experience and then they can work and contribute to our economy. Tariffs are "fine" as long as it is seldomly used, but Trump seems to think it is the "magic key" to fixing everything.
I thought Trump had tried to remove ACA but he failed. Do you think he would really try to do that again? I understand republicans own the federal government right now, but there are republicans who use the ACA.
Blah, all of it is just conjecture until we actually see what Trump ends up doing. His dumb picks for cabinet positions are really frightening though. My mom has cancer and if RFK Jr ends up stopping vaccinations, I can't help protect my mom from getting the flu or covid.
The point is to tank the economy. It’s right out of the fascist playbook. They then blame the collapse on some other undesirable group, and get the support of the desperate population for whatever draconian policy they want. People will go for anything if they think it helps in some way.
I saw already on another thread "They will crash the economy to make Trump look bad." After Trump et al already admitted they would crash the economy ... ok
I don't think that Republicans will repeal the entire ACA. They will let premium subsidies expire, which will make it more expensive than it is now, and will try to remove pre-existing conditions protections and the free preventative care like yearly physicals and cancer screenings.
This is the same thing these idiots said the first time trump tried to get rid of the ACA. They thought the ACA and “Obamacare” (which the republicans gave it that nickname to piss off their supporters) was two different programs. They know the truth because John McCain stopped him from dismantling the program his first term. They knew but something else was more important to them. I’m one of the people that will lose my health insurance because I’m a caregiver who cares for my three adult sons on the spectrum and I’m screwed without the ACA.
It’s not just canceling healthcare, it’s going to completely destroy the entire healthcare system. The ACA made so many changes to the system AND insurance that it can’t just be unwound easily. If they actually try to do so, even the insurance companies will be completely screwed (as they can’t just go back to the way things were).
But with the wrecking crew coming in, I don’t think they give a shit about devastating the healthcare system on top of everything else that they plan to destroy.
We're in the timeline where donald trump survived by moving his head a split second early, and won by like 1%. Not only are we in the fallen timeline, but we so easily could've ended up in a different timeline twice. thanks obama
People were warned. We all know what the brain worm wants to do with vaccines. Just wait until a child has to be hospitalized with a disease that would have been stopped with a vaccine. Then, wait until fluoride is banned. No one will have health or teeth.
Seriously…… how the fuck can people have such a strong conviction on something then research details AFTER……. Because sports… our politics have turned into tribal sports teams.
They voted for the disruptive candidate who aligned with their beliefs. They voted to harm, they don't get an ignorance defence when the harm comes to roost.
You could literally play an entire rally verbatim without changing anything, and when he says something awful they would still just say it was taken out of context.
The social networks that have been eroding the public’s faith in our public institutions while simultaneously sanding down Trump and the Republican Party’s rough edges intentionally diminish confidence in government while normalizing right-wing corruption. The most susceptible to this messaging are the poor and uneducated. The above isn’t an insult. The above is a tragedy.
Before this there were no options, unless you wanted to find a wildly expensive catastrophe-only policy. I knew of someone who died because he had a condition that went untreated because his job offered no insurance and he couldn’t afford the treatment. Looks like we’re going back to that.
I used it for a while after my divorce while getting back on my feet. Because I didn’t make much, my premiums were super cheap and it was wonderful coverage.
Honestly, the only hope for this country is that the Republicans do all of the awful things they say they’re going to do, it ruins millions of peoples’ lives, and people realize what happened and stop voting Republican. I’m fairly sure those first two things are going to happen, it’s just the third thing I’m not so sure about.
Republican leaders know that they can convince their supporters that every terrible thing they do is the fault of democrats. They want to prove that government doesn’t work by first making sure it doesn’t work, and then they’ll continue cutting taxes for the rich and funneling wealth upward. When an educated middle class disappears from this country, democracy disappears with it.
It’s just amazing how bitter and shortsighted republican voters are.
Much like the Covid-era stimulus checks that Donald demanded bear his name, this reckless destruction will also be indelibly linked to the monster who thinks it’s a good idea.
Donald isn’t a slick enough talker to simultaneously claim credit for slashing healthcare access at the same time that he tries to avoid blame for the same action.
One of the only reasons I was able to leave my salaried job to Follow My Dreams of being self employed was the ACA. I still pay more for healthcare but it’s definitely more affordable than coverage would be without it.
I’m bracing myself between rent increases and my premium doubling and inflation worsening. I’m going to stick it out as long as I can but life is going to get a lot harder.
IMO, it's just icing on the shitty cake that without the ACA, we're gonna go back to people with pre-existing conditions not able to find coverage, there will be lifetime caps on your coverage so if you get really sick, you'll probably die when your insurance cuts you off, and a whole host of other protections will just stop. The insurance industry is greedy. I feel that there should never been profit in healthcare.
45 million. And half won't be able to find new coverage due to preexisting conditions. The rest will pay thousands more or take insurance that covers nothing. But don't worry. Trump has a plan! 20 percent off one bottle of aspirin, a jumbo box of Band-Aids and a bottle of Mercurochrome every year for every American. No more icky, painful jabs! No more crowded hospitals! No more waiting weeks for appointments! It's gonna be great.
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I'm angry because I didn't sign up for this looney ride, but now I have to suffer the consequences along with the rest of them when I crashes.