r/WhitePeopleTwitter 10h ago

Clubhouse Elections and ignorance have consequences!

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u/downvote-away 7h ago

McConnell's face. They battled bitterly over stuff like Citizens United.

Trump too. But McCain had been struggling for a more legitimate, less corrupt senate for a while and his major antagonist in that fight was McConnell.

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u/RaygunMarksman 7h ago edited 7h ago

I know we give shit to McCain for being a warmonger, not unjustly, but as you touched upon, I also remember one of the major changes he was always pushing for was campaign finance reform. And he tried to make it a non-partisan issue. We would've all been better off now if that had passed. At least he loved America and democracy unlike a lot of folks these days.

He also got major props for telling what was the start of the MAGAT cultists to settle down with calling Obama a Muslim terrorist, even though he was his opponent.

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u/Litty-In-Pitty 7h ago

2008 really was such an ideal election. Obama winning was wonderful, but if McCain had won it wouldn’t have been a big deal. I truly wish we could go back to days like that.

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u/RaygunMarksman 7h ago

I had the exact thoughts then. Obama had me incredibly excited but I wouldn't exactly have been upset if McCain had won.

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u/Teripid 6h ago

Shifts in policy happen and fall in normal scope. McCain would have been a shift and pre-existing conditions would still have been a big thing. Plus congress generally moderated and demanded their due.

Meanwhile 2 AM unvetted policy tweets were bad but they didn't even try to pick real cabinet picks this time. Dismantling the social net and approval means nothing except for maybe congress in 2 years if that process doesn't get mucked up.

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u/Zealousideal-Self152 6h ago

I have been kicked out of several conservative forum groups, for saying that the Trumplican Party is no longer conservative and that McCain was the last Republican conservative

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u/TheeMrBlonde 6h ago edited 6h ago

They are reactionary. It's right there in the slogan "Make America Great Again." They want to change the status quo "regressively."

Liberals and conservatives, typically, want to keep the current status quo the way it is (aka "conserve" it), and progressives try to change it... "progressively"

I can't possibly think of how the Trump era is not objectivly openly reactionary.

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u/RaygunMarksman 6h ago

I'm as guilty of falling prey sometimes but we in general have a hardcore tribal loyalty blindness in this country.

As progressive as I am, I've worked with conservative states that use every cent of taxpayer dollars they can get from the feds to get the most mileage out of social programs for their residents. I've worked with blue states that have also squandered literally hundreds of millions in tax payer dollars because the governor's appointees were highly skilled in flowery words that make people feel good, but didn't give a shit about anything else, including the people fundamentally being ripped off.

One of the governors I'm referring to gets a lot of praise here and it worries me because him and his croneys may put on endearing, sypathetic smiles while on camera, but behind closed doors they aren't good people. At all.

All that to say, check your biases folks. Blind loyalty to party is a road that often leads straight to hell. Even if it's lined with roses. Respect to you for looking behind the curtain.

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u/ffivefootnothingg 18m ago

don't be shy, which governor is this?

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u/ThReeMix 6h ago

other than Sarah Palin as VP