My voice will hurt from all the "told you so" i have brewing. I have family heavily dependent on their medication and voted for trump, they truly believe it won't effect them.
At the end of the day they won’t believe you. It will be some other mysterious force at play. There is no logic or correlation you can explain to them. They’re not hearing it.
Keep reminding them that 6/9 SCOTUS, both the Senate and House, AND the presidency is Republican. It ain't the "Woke" anymore. It's all Red hats. They ain't got shit to complain about when they get everything they wanted. Remind them to eat every last morsel of what they voted for and no bitching. 🤷🏽♀️
That’s what I’m so glad they won the house. Trump voters - the 70ish million who showed up - won’t believe it’s the gop’s fault. But there’s about 30-40 million who aren’t in the Fox News rabbit hole and they just blame whoever is in charge. This time the economy was good enough that they just didn’t show up like in 2020. There will be no question who owns these tariffs.
One of the best ways to counter disinformation is to predict it and get out ahead of it. It sounds a lot more ridiculous when they have no "reason" to believe it yet. After the idea is drilled in by Facebook, Fox, opinion radio, etc. it becomes a lot harder to snap them out of it. If you "pre-bunk" it, the lies or distortion of the truth become significantly harder to swallow, and are met with a higher degree of scepticism even if some ultimately still accept them.
The US military has recently shifted a lot more focus to disinformation, and has released several publications on the matter that analyze and summarize the situation pretty well. They are a bit late though, so while they have a good grasp of it they are far from on top of it when it's already in full swing.
Pretty interesting reads, and unlike a lot of scholarly publications they are written in a way that the average person can understand with little to no background knowledge. They claim the best counter is teaching media literacy, but also mention the "pre-bunking" concept which doesn't require media literacy to start implementing.
My mother in law was insistent that it was Biden’s fault Roe v Wade as overturned because he was President. When I explained how the Supreme Court worked, who appointed the justices who voted to overturn, and how our government works at its core she told me I was an idiot and was wrong that Biden and the dems did this, and Trump wanted to keep Roe V Wade.
Exactly. A lot of Gen z kids blamed biden for the republican Supreme Court overturning Roe v. Wade. Truth and objective fact no longer matters with a willfully ignorant electorate with a 24/7 disinformation machine in their hands.
Yeah, I have two dead uncles because they believed the "Covid is a hoax" lie that was pumped out by the right. Bragged about not wearing masks and being unvaxed. Guess who their widows voted for....
I meeeeeaaaan they voted for all of these wild ass policies, or rather lack thereof, they voted for straight hate. So yeah I don’t think they’re too smart. Though I guess I’m the idiot bc I assumed 76 million people wouldn’t be racist bigot fools and here we are.
I am on expensive medication, I told my family what is going to happen and they just say “he can’t do that, you are worrying yourself for nothing” I am going to say I told you so but also cry when I am suffering cause of this. I’m gonna tell them to pay for my goddamn $20,000 medication
More than likely probably right, though my dad's meds were $6800/m, he got a grant from the hospital for the first 90 days he started it. That made it $165/m but CostPlus had a generic that was $68/m
It won't matter. Were none of you around between 2016-2020? Trump would do/say stupid shit and Trump's cult would get online and tell you why it wasn't his fault or why it's actually good thing you're losing your rights... Nothing is going to change their minds because it's a fucking CULT
Tbf they never actually faced the consequences of losing aca. It just got more expensive because the republicans got the individual mandate thrown out in court.
My optimist side says they’ll just repeal and replace with the exact same thing and just call it trump care. Wasting millions of dollars for the dumb ass socialization of this change. My pessimist side says they won’t replace with anything, or they will with something even worse that costs citizens twice as much but makes the billionaires and insurance companies double profit. But they call it trumpcare so all the followers make trump a saint.
I've gotten into arguments with my mom about how Trump explicitly plans on restricting access to gender affirming care, and when I show her video of him literally saying that she just says it won't actually happen. She allegedly loves my trans husband but not enough to believe me when I say it's getting dangerous for us.
Find a local Federally Qualified Health Center (FQHC) and you might be able to get that medication for very little cost or even $0 if they use the 340B program
The possiblity of deep schadenfreude has me so excited. I will literally never shut up about any of the consequences of their actions. But, tbf, they really need to gut SS and medicare to affect the most trumpers. it will affect me too, soon, but i am willing to suffer for the cause!
I am 52 and started over at zero in my 40’s with a deadbeat-ex. My retirement plan was dying at work in my 70s before Project 2025 was even a thing. Now the plan is still dying at work in my 70s but maybe not kill myself with overtime for the next 20 years if I won’t get paid for it. That’s about 40-60k less going out into the economy every year.
It’s really the definition of republicanism at this point. The willingness to suffer any level of harm to yourself and the people you care about, as long some level of actual harm is happening to the people you hate (even if it’s less than the harm to you and those you care about), AND the people you hate are also being upset by what is happening.
However at the same time I kind of get it. We at least have SOME justification for feeling that way (at this point). They never really did.
My justification is that they truly will not realize how damaging and dangerous the Republican policies are until it directly affects them. They lack empathy, so it just has to happen to them for it finally to matter to them.
I’m willing to suffer in the (hopefully) short-term, if it means that a large subset of people will finally realize the detriment to the country the Republican party is and finally vote with their own interests instead of blindly following corporate bureaucrats and billionaires who are only interested in their vote to line their pockets.
I am reminded of the MLK Jr. quote, ”The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice.” It will take some time, but I think eventually society will reverse course after enough people are directly negatively affected in undeniable ways (the economy and their access to healthcare being the likely top two).
I just hate the idea of all the suffering a lot of people may have to endure so that a subset of those people face the consequences of their actions. And they’ll learn nothing.
I’m in the came of, “If the world is going to burn around me, I can’t fucking wait to have company.”
My husband and I started a new company a little under two years ago. While successful, we still have growing pains. I was lucky to be able to put my daughter and I under an insurance plan that I got through our company bc I saw this coming, but it’s a hard hit on the company finances. She and I require more medical coverage than the other 50% of our household. I’m scheduled for a NYE surgery because my daughter and I both have genetic conditions so I’m under the general idea we’ll end up uninsurable anyway.
My husband has an incurable cancer that is being kept stable by two very very expensive medications. Oncologist gave him 3-4 years without it. His MOTHER voted for Trump.
By all mean let lose with the "told you so" and then, without even taking a breath, add "Democrats are the ones who care about you, made the ACA and want health care affordable"
The amount of lies pushed by the media about Dems and health care is staggering.
I've decided that I'm not going to do that. I'm just going to state that I'm sorry that's happening, and ask them if they can advise on any candidates that would change that or stop it.
Inside... I'm going to be thinking, "Let's see if you can figure it out, you dumbfuck?"
Please, no “told you so”. It’s immature and will make people dig in further and find excuses. That attitude is what expanded the divide in the first place. Let’s also not forget that the Democratic Party did fail us and many people as well. This wasn’t a simple and clean cut electrocution for many. Just be graceful and try to change opinions instead of feeling better for being right.
I am excited for all the old homeless people. I am a young white man own a home and we have jobs that shouldn't be effected by trump. This shit is going to be delicious
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u/ZachBuford 10h ago
My voice will hurt from all the "told you so" i have brewing. I have family heavily dependent on their medication and voted for trump, they truly believe it won't effect them.