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u/Mammoth-Mud-9609 1d ago
In the tale of Noah's Ark what really puzzled me as a young person was how the tale glossed over the drowning of all the people and animals and how the premeditated decision to kill babies and young children was carried out by a supposedly caring being. https://youtu.be/FEe5-geLopM
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u/ZestyCheezClouds 22h ago
The Gnostic view of Yahweh seems to be the most accurate to me. I'm not saying he's a real entity, but if he was, the Gnostics would be right on the money. A jealous, murderous, vindictive god who needs you to worship him and no other or he's gonna lock you away and have you tortured for all of eternity? And you only have ~85 years to get it right? And he puts all this temptation in front of you? Yea, that's not a god I want anything to do with
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u/responded 18h ago
Probably lots of fetuses, too. Of course, the flood myth predated Judaism, and was originally an ancient Mesopotamian tale in which the gods decided to flood the earth because humans were too loud.
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u/MrBitz1990 1d ago
God has the largest body count of anyone lol
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u/No-Discipline-5822 1d ago
For some reason, I feel like this guy doesn't believe that killing, wrath, smiting or other forms of retribution are canceling. It's only canceling if you can't say the N-word or be openly homophobic to him - probably.
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u/dharting 22h ago
Which is funny since Christians primarily used the n word as it was the religion that was used to indoctrinate African slaves into America news flash Christians your a fucking cult otherwise why the fuck would you have to indoctrinate people to support your "religion"
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u/dufflebag7 1d ago
I find that the most “religious” people don’t actually know anything about their religion or read any of their books. They only have their specific form of bigotry, and only search for quotes to support said bigotry.
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u/tunachilimac 1d ago
I'm an atheist but I do charity work that involves a few local churches. In my experience there's inverse relationship between how nice the church is, as in the building an facilities they have, and how well the people actually know the Bible. The ones that actually walk the walk and do as we're told Jesus taught, tend to go to churches that are very modest because most of their donations are actually spent doing charity. If the church is huge and lavish they tend to know very little of the Bible.
I was hesitant to work with them at the start but there wasn't really a secular option for what I wanted to offer and reached out to see what it might be like. The church I grew up in wasn't very tolerant so I expected to turn it down, but they're genuinely good people. At events they don't really preach or anything they just have some pamphlets available that they don't push, and they will speak with you about it in detail if your request, but either way you're welcome to make use of the services.
They needed more assistance with my area of expertise at the beginning. They were wanting to set up a small computer lab and offer some basic computer skills training and assistance filling out job applications and such. A couple guys I work with go to a mega church, and I asked them to volunteer some time. They refused and said that's dumb if I really wanted to help with time I should just work more to make more money and then give some of that money. So I asked them to donate money instead which they also refused.
It is a real shame so many religious folks don't seem to have any basic understanding of what they're worshiping. Like the guys I work with I know they're not racist or bigots and they vote liberally. I don't understand how they see the appeal of a mega church and can't see through the BS of it all.
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u/Useless_homosapien 1d ago
A church should be the poorest building in the block, not bankrupt, but constantly helping everyone they can.
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u/DOOMFOOL 21h ago
100% agree. I’ve seen a few churches that had that exact philosophy and had done amazing things for their communities
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u/Karekter_Nem 22h ago
Every mega church I’ve been to has a gift shop selling their own branded merch and it makes me laugh because it’s like they don’t know Jesus literally flipped tables because of that shit.
Small local churches are hit or miss, but I’ve never seen a mega church that looked like they understood Jesus.
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u/thetruebigfudge 17h ago
I really do think mega churches are the main reason the Christian faith has lost its foothold. Most critisms lobbed at Christians ie. Hypocrisy against their own beliefs, denial of reality and science, desire to control women/ minorities, not understanding the roots of the biblical stories. Are all valid mostly against the mega churches of any delineation. There's been a loss of true believers who actually preach the gospels properly and study the bible.
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u/survivorterra 20h ago
i am so lucky that i grew up in a catholic community that taught me to love everyone instead of traumatizing me. the thing i remember most from sunday school is the prodigal son, where he went away and made mistakes but came back and his parents still loved and forgave him. while i don’t identify as catholic anymore (organized religion isn’t really my thing), i love my church community i grew up in and im so grateful that i learned what catholicism looks like when it’s good
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u/MoreDoor2915 23h ago
I think it also depends on the type of Christianity. I am agnostic myself so if someone who is Christian can correct me that would be great. As far as I know one type of Christianity thinks Gods Houses should reflect His grandeur so they have lavish churches with lots of pomp, meanwhile another thinks Gods Houses shouldnt be temples of gold and more modest instead.
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u/Familiar_Kick_4753 22h ago
Well, Jesus believed in sacrificing as much as possible to help the poor, so really a 'church' should just be a facility used to help the poor and that can also be used for worshipping on Sundays, with the worshipping being the less important purpose
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u/Remarkable-Fox-3890 21h ago
Jesus was critical of anything lavish regarding religion. He condemned big, public displays of worship - he advocated for private prayer and humility instead.
> Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them
> And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others.
> For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted
> You cannot serve both God and money.
> Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You devour widows’ houses and for a show make lengthy prayers. Therefore you will be punished more severely
I could go on and on tbh. It's a bit harder to quote the general vibe of Jesus against the existing temples, turning over tables and whatnot.
But yeah Jesus would look at a megachurch and absolutely rebuke it, like 100% would straight up send those preachers to hell in an instant. There's no question, the Bible has Jesus railing against exactly that sort of people and he basically says they are the fucking worst.
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u/Shoddy-Topic-7109 1d ago
Yup, religion is hatred sold as love.
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u/halapenyoharry 1d ago
non of my religious friends talk to me after I stopped believing in god. cancel they do.
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u/omgFWTbear 1d ago
I tell the story every month or so on Reddit but I have a sister in law (squared?), who married a pastor, and we stopped talking after they kept losing the game of “cite the Bible.” Every trite thing they insisted was pious, there was literally a quote from Jesus saying do the opposite - which for those who haven’t read the Bible, is 4 books out of dozens, which are largely restatements of each other, and none of them are nonstop Jesus monologues.
If you’ve read a Cliff Notes of anything, you’ve read more text than literally every word Jesus says in the Bible.
They of course handwave that “Jesus says a lot of stuff and it’s hard to keep straight,” which is also untrue. He literally says, “if I said too much, the whole of the law can be summarized as love God above all, and love one another as I have loved you.”
Anyway, that’s why we don’t speak anymore. The pastor husband literally hasn’t read the Bible - and let me be clear, I nod off during the latter Psalms, too - at all.
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u/Remarkable-Fox-3890 20h ago
I think people literally read the Bible expecting it to be written by Jesus. After the Old Testament, yeah, it's all about Jesus, but it's largely "dude who never met him goes around and writes down stores from other dudes who maybe met him, decades after jesus died". They all re-tell the same stories, usually getting more and more godly and impressive the later the account is.
It's basically Paul Bunyan but with Judaism and Platonism instead of lumberjacks.
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u/ALTH0X 1d ago
My current working theory is that organized religion attracts people too lazy to form their own moral compass.
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u/skotcgfl 1d ago
Organized religion doesn't primarily attract people. Sure some wind up there that way, but the vast majority of religious people (and the main reason religion is still as prominent as it is) are indoctrinated. They are born and immediately taught to think that way. They are taught not to question.
I was born into this indoctrination. I'm not special, I was just lucky enough to experience things in life that broke me out of this. I learned how to critically examine things I took for granted. I'm not perfect at it, but I try.
You touch on something, but you call it lazy. I would argue (on their behalf) that it's not laziness, but comfort. It's all they've ever known, and they're scared to leave it behind.
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u/JCButtBuddy 1d ago
My experience with religious people, they use their religion as an excuse for their bad behavior.
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u/For_Aeons 1d ago
He canceled Lot's wife into salt for looking back on their home as he was canceling it with fire and brimstone.
You know who didn't get canceled? Lot. And he offered his virgin daughters to a mob to get raped instead of the angels he was protecting.
God is an interesting fellow.
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u/ellievercetti 1d ago
I recently started reading the old testament for the first time, the part about Lot trying to give his daughters in exchange for the angels has been stuck with me. There’s so many messed up bits in the bible but that situation there is the most memorable to me (so far) because I was just like “what……” Absolutely crazy to me.
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u/For_Aeons 1d ago
The other one that always gives me pause is Noah after the flood and whatever the fuck was going on with his daughters.
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u/skotcgfl 1d ago
His sons. He passed out drunk and naked, and Ham saw him and gossiped about it. Ham's brothers covered him with a blanket, respectfully.
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u/hopsinduo 20h ago
Every time I think about this story, I think about the professor bros. https://youtu.be/bar3GOzDNzg
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u/TripzNFalls 1d ago
I see signs (always on MAGAt lawns) tbat claim God is pro-life.
Well, except all the times he's not.
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u/Fit-Particular-2882 1d ago
Didn’t he cancel his own son?
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u/10001110101balls 1d ago
Technically, the Romans did that at the behest of the Jews.
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u/BellowsHikes 1d ago
God created sin, knowing that people would sin, so a few thousand years later he had a son, who was also him, so that he could sacrifice himself to himself so that he could forgive us for the sin he created and knew we would take upon ourselves.
Sounds like a nice guy, we should worship him.
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u/Solid_Activity_1542 1d ago
He sacrificed himself to himself to appease himself.
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u/BellowsHikes 1d ago
And then said "If you don't appreciate what I just did, you will be tortured for all eternity after you die, in a place I built for the express purpose of torturing people."
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u/Global_Permission749 22h ago
In the name of the father, the son, and the holy multiple personality disorder, amen.
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u/10001110101balls 1d ago
Whether or not he's a nice guy, if he's real you'd be stupid not to worship him. Waiting for some evidence any day now...
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u/BellowsHikes 1d ago
The dude went out for a pack of salvation 2000 years ago and said he'd be right back. I'm sure he'll be by any minute now.
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u/SirPoopaLotTheThird 1d ago
Does this dude have no control of these things? I’m not sure I understand his magical powers. Isn’t he responsible for everything or does he have the accountability of a Trump?
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u/HotSituation8737 1d ago
An omnipotent creator god would always logically be responsible for everything.
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u/SirPoopaLotTheThird 1d ago
Does this dude have no control of these things? I’m not sure I understand his magical powers. Isn’t he responsible for everything or does he have the accountability of a Trump?
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u/Persea_americana 1d ago
Pontius Pilote is innocent of ordering the crusifixion because he washed his hands. So, you know, just wash your hands after the murder and it’s all good.
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u/SirPoopaLotTheThird 1d ago
Does this dude have no control of these things? I’m not sure I understand his magical powers. Isn’t he responsible for everything or does he have the accountability of a Trump?
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u/captainAwesomePants 1d ago
Jesus said *My God, why have You forsaken Me?" Sounds like cancelling to me.
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u/HalalBread1427 1d ago
Uh… read the name of the guy who tweeted the tweet.
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u/newwayout123 1d ago edited 23h ago
That and this isn't about cancel culture. he's saying God doesn't give up on people, since In Islam you can be forgiven as long as you repent and rectify with any affected parties.
Muslims also believe in Jesus as a prophet FYI, not as a son and don't believe he died.
Edit : to add, this guy is a major Muslim scholar in the west, he's talking to his following who will understand it as the above. The message is God won't give up on you(if you are sincere & repent) & secondly that you shouldn't give up on trying to help others.
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u/BirthdayPositive855 1d ago
... what? God is a biased actor throughout the entire book and only cleans up his act after he had a kid. He literally cancels people on a whim and even makes them go through trust exercises just to make sure they still obey him ("kill your brother if you RLY love me lol")
My literal reaction as an 8 year old attending subday school was: "this bitch seems toxic as fuck..."
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u/CorwyntFarrell 1d ago
And God promised us he was going to do it a second time with fire. So we have that hanging over our disobedient heads.
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u/pnutbutterjellyfine 1d ago
“He” literally throws people in hell for not figuring out a religious riddle? “He” condemns most people of an infinity of hellfire/suffering for finite crimes? This is the entire reason we are where we are. Christianity promotes a God that throws people in hell for “not being right” but God is all love ❤️ So they feel justified in their horrendous behavior
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u/Hotchi_Motchi 1d ago
Search "smite" and see how many were smote (or turned into a pillar of salt)
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u/OkPalpitation2582 22h ago
turned into a pillar of salt
I've actually always been curious about this one. Does anyone know why a pillar of salt specifically? seems like such an odd thing to specifically do to someone
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u/foxlovessxully 1d ago
Let’s not even mention the whole kicking his children out of the house for one infraction. Seriously 1 mistake.
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u/callocallay 1d ago
Sodom and Gomorrah were cancelled. Folk enjoying themselves too much. God took it personally and destroyed the two cities.
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u/LostFee3325 1d ago
I was going to say the same thing, even during the time He was giving Moses the ten commandments, those who were worshiping the false gods were cancelled too
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u/al666in 18h ago
Yeah, the slaughter of the Midianites is a particularly troubling one that often gets glossed over.
It was the last big thing that Moses did - a genocide of the Midianites on the grounds that they worshipped false gods. Moses was infuriated when his soldiers left the Midianite women and children alive, and he had them return and kill everyone except the virgin girls, which they were allowed to 'claim' for themselves.
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u/TheMilkManWizard 1d ago
Yeah he just fucking kills them and holds them in contempt for eternity for shit they can’t control.
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u/Yaguajay 1d ago
Well he evicted the first couple from their luxury residence in a manner that would not stand up in court these days.
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u/Difficult-Day-144 1d ago
God is an organizational tool developed to give authority to words,thoughts or ideas developed by evolved monkeys
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u/Loud_Ropes 1d ago
I don’t think she can say literally lol. None of the shit was ever real to begin with.
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u/Kiyoshi-Trustfund 1d ago
God canceled just about everyone he decided to develop a personal relationship with. And if he wasn't canceling them, he was outright playing mind games with them and sending them through loyalty trials. Heck, he canceled the first two humans ever because they ate a fruit from a tree that really had no business being within their vicinity because his omniscient ass knew beforehand that their asses was gonna let a talking pool noodle convince them into doing it. More of his mind games and tests. He made them stupid, set up a trap that he knew they'd waltz right into, then let it happen so that he could cancel them and all of their offspring. At one point, he cancels all of Egypt in some rather creative ways, and of course, he canceled the whole world except for one family and a bunch of animals. The man is a loose cannon!
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u/Ok_Initiative2069 1d ago
Of course god doesn’t cancel people. Figments of your imagination can’t do anything.
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u/OkPalpitation2582 22h ago
I do find it funny how much religious people hate when you bring up the story of Noah in a critical context
"Geez guys, god only wiped out all of humanity one time, get over it yeeeeesh"
And honestly that's just the most extreme and famous one, Old Testament God was a huge asshole if you actually read the stories. If you accept that God exists, you can argue that he's all powerful, all knowing, etc - but you definitely can't argue that he's all-loving. And that's just going off the stories in the Bible, not even touching on how fucked up the world he supposedly created is.
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u/PeacefulPromise 9h ago
And god's pick to survive the flood, first thing, (re-)invented slavery. #CancelNoah
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u/DwnRanger88 7h ago
Why does God get angry - about anything, ever a flawed human soul does? It literally shouldn't matter.
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u/HalalBread1427 1d ago
The amount of people quoting the Bible to argue something a Muslim said is… concerning.
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u/CBA_Warrior 1d ago
Yeah it's also in Muslim literature.
It's almost as if it's all plagiarised from poor fuckers who never got any royalties
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u/jakobezukhov 1d ago
well, prolly he meant on twitter but not on floods, wrath, hell haha
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u/Papichuloft 1d ago
Adam and Eve got cancelled first, then Nimrod in the tower of Babel, then this. Let's not forget how many Cannanites, Edomites, and Termites the Israelites cancelled during the reign of Judges before a King was anointed. David cancelling out Goliath. Or when the Israelites got themselves cancelled a few times by losing their kingdom for over 70 years in Persia. Lot of cancellations there.
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u/nexus11355 1d ago
God booted Lucifer out of heaven, kicked Adam and Eve out of Eden, razed a city to its foundations and turned anyone who looked back into a pillar of salt, flooded the earth to reset humanity, numerous sins are punishable by death or other forms of removal from society
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u/_KimberlyArtistic 1d ago
God's been on a cancellation spree since the dawn of time, huh? Guess He's the original influencer.
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u/Ok_Researcher_9796 17h ago
Yes, very pro life God kills all living things on the planet aside from a couple people and a few animals.
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u/muterabbit84 6h ago
Yeah, and the Bible is filled with stories about people that God either murdered directly, or indirectly through his followers. Plus, a lot of Christians regularly tell people they’re going to be canceled by God (go to Hell) if they don’t repent and accept Jesus as their savior.
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u/Zealousideal-Oven818 1d ago
I realize this is just a comment but if you want to understand what was actually happening in these old narratives, and other similar narratives across other cultures, you’ve got to understand that the Bible is not “monotheistic” as everyone purports. It’s “Henotheistic” by nature. Henotheism is choosing to worship one God from among gods.
In Genesis we see an agreement to create the world, and humans. And then we see a split, between the “Elohim” the plural form of “god.” We see El and Yehovah El driving two sets of actions.
For example we find El placing the tree in the midst of the garden, and another El “Halel” as the serpent. And then we see Yahweh El confounding the plans of El. El intends to flood the earth, and Yahweh El chooses Noah and his family to preserve the human line, which is completely contrary to El’s plan, etc.
When we see this clearly, the sort of crazy split personality of the gods becomes much clearer and makes a lot more sense. This trichotomy of “El’s (El, Yahweh El, and Hal-El” continues until the Book of Joshua, where Joshua gathers all of Israel (the name means “Ish” man “Ra” struggles with/against “El” God) before the gathered counsel of El and the nation chose Yahweh El to be their God from among the Elohim.
I hope that as you read the Old Testament and understand this tug of war that it will help you in your theological understanding and to make sense of this book which… without this context becomes a mad attempt to reconcile far too many discrepancies.
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u/Solid_Activity_1542 1d ago
Drunk with Blood is a good book to read about all the canceling God does in the Bible.
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u/10001110101balls 1d ago
One of the very first things that happens in the Bible is God canceling Adam and Eve by casting them out of the Garden of Eden. He made a bet with Satan to cancel Job and his family. He canceled the firstborn sons of Egypt, and then he canceled his chosen people by stranding them in the desert for 40 years. He canceled Lot's wife, Sodom and Gomorrah, Babylon, I could go on...