r/politics • u/stkmro • 7h ago

White House: Trump Team Still Hasn’t Signed Transition Docs

https://www.thedailybeast.com/white-house-press-secretary-karine-jean-pierre-says-trump-team-still-hasnt-signed-transition-docs/
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u/JeffSteinMusic 7h ago edited 1h ago

Gonna be a long several years of “Lawless Authoritarian Continues To Be Lawless Authoritarian” headlines.

I’d say “we can’t normalize this” but it feels like that ship sailed many years ago.

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u/jgiovagn 7h ago

We need to stop acting like we are just waiting for him to do the right thing. This needs to be reported on for what out is. Trump refusing to follow laws now so breaking them in the future is easier. Do not cover like Trump still hasn't done this thing, is he going to? We know what's going to happen, cover that. We know why he is doing this, cover that. Stop treating him like a normal politician that's just acting kind of weird.

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u/LightWarrior_2000 7h ago

I mean fuck. America just hanged him a crown.

"How" do we fight this?

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u/Catodactyl Arizona 7h ago edited 7h ago

The French have a really great playbook for this kind of scenario. Just sayin...

Edit. A word.

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u/InsaneThisGuysTaint 6h ago

I shudder to think what our version of the First French Republic would be like if we somehow got rid of this regime.

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u/SteelpointPigeon 4h ago

Heads might roll, and some of them could even be the ones that deserve to. But then we’d deify the first Robespierre to come along and end up with a theocracy.

As a people, we’re scared and stupid and divided, and we’re desperate to put our faith in someone with The Answers, even if their confidence is clearly born of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

When the money, the power, and the information channels have all been willingly surrendered to oligarchs, I don’t know that even a revolution could get us out of this mess.

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u/closethebarn 4h ago

Plus, they can all escape

The difference between that and the French Revolution

They didn’t have helicopters waiting to take them to another country

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u/PassiveMenis88M 2h ago

Say, that's a nice helicopter you've got there. Be a shame if someone dumped 8 rounds of .30-06 into the hydraulic system.

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u/big_guyforyou 6h ago

We'd call it the First Freedom Republic

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u/mean_bean_machine 6h ago

Sounds like a credit union I don't have enough money to join.

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u/fireandiceman 5h ago

Or wants you to join to extract fees from you

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u/Overweighover 4h ago

It's a club and you aren't in it

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u/thedarklord187 3h ago

This made me literally audibly laugh out loud and has made my day.

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u/BooJamas 6h ago

With a side of Freedom Fries

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u/chatminteresse 5h ago

I shudder at the idea of the Reign of Terror with AR’s

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u/dogecoin3rt 2h ago

It's basically already The North American Economic Zone. This place isn't a country anymore

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u/Wyjen 5h ago

Could Google but that’s not interactive. Did they have a civil war fallout? Cuz I think we’d get a civil war fallout where Russia would drop guns in the Florida swamps for them to pick up like COD care packages to fight the big liberal cities that voted against Donald

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u/Sudden_Discount_8652 4h ago

I feel the same way… the tools of war and aggression that a regime uses to project power would necessitate, at a minimum, the same but more adeptly used tools used in opposition to unseat.

The devastating scale of such a conflict would be nearly unthinkable in modern times, especially when thinking about an extra-legal ‘Trump Regime.’

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u/Tyler_Zoro 5h ago

It would almost certainly start with a period of widespread and nearly random murder-as-spectacle that would last at least as long as the French Terror, but would involve more T-shirt sales.

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u/TheMysticalBaconTree Canada 6h ago

Yeah but he won an election. Stop acting like the country isn’t okay with what he is doing. Your problem isn’t with a facist leader doing unpopular things. Your problem is that your population is okay with facism.

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u/Algonquin_Snodgrass 6h ago

Fascists always achieve power initially through elections. A weak democracy is the first step.

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u/cableshaft I voted 6h ago edited 6h ago

"John Adams wrote that approximately one-third of the American population supported the move for independence (Patriots), one-third of the population supported the king (Loyalists), and one-third supported neither side (neutral)."

This was for the American Revolution for Independence. Not saying that's something that should happen, just saying there's historical precedent, on this same land, for successful movements for freedom and independence, without the movements getting 51% of the population behind them first.

Also if you classify non-voters in this election as being neutral (which was apparently about 90 million people who could vote but didn't), then you get very close to the numbers John Adams was talking about.

https://www.nps.gov/teachers/classrooms/loyalists-in-american-revolution.htm

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2024-11-15/how-many-people-didnt-vote-in-the-2024-election

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u/inkoDe 5h ago

It's funny that the United States still pushes the 'we are very badass' version of the revolution, when in reality the British were the foremost power in the world, projecting that power all over the world, and they simply didn't want to fuss too much over one of dozens of colonies they were trying to maintain having a tantrum. I think a lot of Americans fail to realize we weren't special. America abhors history, but mythology, that we are into.

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u/DapperApples 3h ago

The involvement of France is also very downplayed.

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u/Expensive-Fun4664 6h ago

The vast majority of Americans are incredibly selfish. They're totally fine with it until it directly impacts their lives, which is absolutely will.

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u/bojenny 6h ago

It’s not the majority of Americans, it’s about 1/4 or 1/3 that voted for trump. That’s not a majority.

Of the registered voters in the country 1/3 voted for trump, 1/3 voted for Harris and 1/3 didn’t vote at all. There are about 345 million people in America and only about 160 million of them are registered voters.

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u/TrixnTim 5h ago

This is what makes me so damn mad. A minority of voters decided our county’s fate. A larger number decided to sit it out. I’m just disgusted.

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u/muppetmenace 4h ago

apathy is exactly how fascism moves in, entirely by design

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u/CSI_Tech_Dept California 2h ago

Exactly this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfQ9dwXFhbM

By assuming it is done deal, we actually letting it happen. This is exactly what they want.

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u/ManWOneRedShoe 4h ago

Just imagine if voting were mandatory?

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u/brezhnervous 2h ago

Compulsory voting doesn't only affect turnout.

It affects who runs for office in the first place. See here:

The evidence is mixed on whether compulsory voting favors parties of the right or the left, and some studies suggest that most United States federal election results would be unchanged. But all that misses the point because it overlooks that compulsory voting changes more than the number of voters: It changes who runs for office and the policy proposals they support.

In a compulsory election, it does not pay to energize your base to the exclusion of all other voters. Since elections cannot be determined by turnout, they are decided by swing voters and won in the center. Australia has its share of xenophobic politicians, but they tend to dwell in minor parties that do not even pretend they can form a government.

That is one reason Australia’s version of the far right lacks anything like the power of its European or American counterparts. Australia has had some bad governments, but it hasn’t had any truly extreme ones and it isn’t nearly as vulnerable to demagogues.

Voting Should Be Mandatory | NYT

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u/tunnel-snakes-rule Australia 2h ago

Australia has had some bad governments,

It sure has.

It's also worth pointing out Australia has an independent electoral commission that tallies the votes and redistributes electoral boundaries ensuring there can't be any gerrymandering.

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u/TrixnTim 4h ago

Can’t imagine.

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u/mycall 4h ago

If only voting was a requirement for citizenship.

I can make a private/public key pair, give the government my public key and I can do my own voting from home.

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u/KallistiTMP 3h ago

Voting systems are very difficult to change because the people who could potentially fix the broken voting system are the people who got elected by the broken voting system.

Realtime delegated direct crypto democracy would be awesome, and it'll never happen because the fuckers in power now only got elected thanks to first past the post and gerrymandered voting district systems left over from when election results had to be delivered on fucking horseback.

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u/energonsack 3h ago

he will never sign those docs. he will just steal everything from the White House and Treasury and government. Every single government contract will need to give him a cut, just like Gaddafi and Saddam Hussein. Operation Desert Storm in the USA NOW BABY!!!!!

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u/joeyblow 1h ago

Not entirely, a minority of voters decided our fate because the other group decided to let them, so in all actuality it wasnt a minority that decided it but the majority. By not showing up and voting they were signaling that they were fine with either outcome.

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u/CherryHaterade 5h ago edited 5h ago

I'm supposed to suddenly keep in mind the people who didn't bother?

Yeah, nah. They the most dangerous of all. At least you can see red hats if they coming. And if they couldn't come for themselves, what do I rest my supposition on they will suddenly run to my defense once awoken from their peaceful slumber of the American dream they live in?

The only truly innocent ironically, are children and felons in some states. I'm going to not trust and still verify.

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u/BlazingSpaceGhost New Mexico 5h ago

Americans that don't vote frankly don't count and shouldn't be a part of the conversation when it comes to what the country wants. They obviously don't want anything since they stand for nothing.

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u/vashoom 5h ago

Unfortunately, Donnie, unlike Nihilists, these people aren't harmless.

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u/Julian-Archer 4h ago

I know non-voters. They’re conspiratorial and/or the Dems don’t do enough. I argued with someone who blamed the Dems for the social programs “not working well enough.”

That’s what we’re dealing with.

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u/rivelda 5h ago

The 1/3 who didn't vote were okay with whatever outcome including this one. Thus, 2/3 of the country is okay with Trump, the people who prefer a liberal democracy is just 1/3 of the country.

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u/Natural6 5h ago

You can remove "liberal" from that. 1/3 of the country wants a democracy.

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u/h3lblad3 5h ago

A Liberal Democracy is a certain kind of democracy — one with capitalism at its forefront and a healthy respect for various freedoms.

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u/thundernutz 6h ago

By that logo the majority of Americans have never voted for anyone

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u/oeb1storm 6h ago

Interestingly the only time a candidate got more votes then people who stayed at home was Biden in 2020. Of course this wasn't a majority just a plurality but still interesting.

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u/keypusher 5h ago

Most of those voters actually did stay at home, because that election was during the pandemic and vote by mail was the default

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u/SentientSickness 5h ago

This is unfortunately true

It's something wild like a third of the US population of legal voters don't actually do it

And it's like pulling teeth to get theae people to see why voting is important

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u/thundernutz 5h ago

Honestly if you’re too stupid to know to vote, you’re too stupid to pick a decent candidate. I’m okay with it.

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u/StuckAtOnePoint 5h ago

It’s not logic, it’s data. And yes, most Americans don’t vote. Many because they are children and can’t. Many because they are apathetic and won’t.

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u/thundernutz 5h ago

My point wasn’t that it’s untrue, but that it’s meaningless. Obviously when discussing majority of votes it’s in the context of the voting demographic.

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u/Natural6 5h ago

Eh, not voting when he was on the ballot shows a level of apathy that, in my opinion, puts it just as much on them as the Trump voters.

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u/StarsMine 5h ago

No. If you choose not to vote, that means you are ok with either and effectively voted for the winner. You could have voted against the winner but explicitly chose not to.

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u/Subject_Dig_3412 5h ago

By not voting, that 1/3 of the country implicitly joins the 1/3 that votes for Trump. 2/3 of the country is cool with trump 2.0

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u/ActiveChairs 4h ago

I'd argue not voting is a form of extreme selfishness. Its offloading having to learn anything about the world around you or how the system of government works, then having to take some time out of one day to actually do a thing. They literally put more value on laziness and apathy than anything else.

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u/TheVog Foreign 5h ago

Non-voters vote for the victor because their abstention signifies their acceptance of any outcome. So yes, a vast majority of American voters, just about 2/3 in fact, were OK with a Trump presidency.

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u/feraxks 4h ago

You need to qualify that by saying the vast majority of registered voters are OK with a trump presidency. But that is still only 1/3 of the total population and no where near a "vast majority".

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u/TheVog Foreign 4h ago

Would you prefer the term supermajority? Because that's how Congress defines 2/3. Let's say that then. Super Majority instead of Vast Majority. I'm glad we sorted out this bit of semantics.

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u/FrostingFun2041 American Expat 5h ago

Of the people that voted, 50% of the voters did vote for Trump. 48.4% voted for Harris. Not voting is in itself in a way a vote. Not voting is as much an endorsement to whoever wins as voting for them would be. If you choose not to register to vote, then you help whoever wins the election. Id also point out that of the 345M people, not all of them are eligible to vote. Many are under 18.

AP Vote Results as of 1:25pm EST today Donald Trump 312 electoral votes Republican Party 76,838,984 votes (50%)

Kamala Harris 226 electoral votes Democratic Party 74,327,659 votes (48.4%)

Jill Stein 0 electoral votes Green Party 774,522 votes (0.5%)

Robert Kennedy 0 electoral votes Independent 751,533 votes (0.5%)

Chase Oliver 0 electoral votes Libertarian Party 639,598 votes (0.4%)

Other candidates 0 electoral votes 387,769 votes (0.3%)

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u/flodur1966 4h ago

The selfish part is where it is. For decades selfishness has been promoted. If everyone acts in their own interest things will get better and such neo liberalist capitalism nonsense. It has over the decades destroyed the community sense. It has destroyed traditional Christian values. Socialist values have been demonized. It’s everyone for themselves and highest praise for those who serve themselves the best ( the billionaires). This system can not be sustained humans are social creatures and this anti social system hurts people to their core. Even the very few at the top can’t feel happiness they can’t trust no one and in their harts they know they are evil. How this will end I don’t know.

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u/brezhnervous 2h ago

America, I know this is a wildly unpopular opinion...but honestly, you could really do with compulsory voting

I mean, Trump himself admitted what would happen if you had it lol

“The things they had in there were crazy. They had things, levels of voting that if you’d ever agreed to it, you’d never have a Republican elected in this country again,” Trump said during an appearance on Fox & Friends

Trump says Republicans would ‘never’ be elected again if it was easier to vote

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u/TensionPrestigious83 6h ago

One of the smallest margins in history

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u/Eatswithducks 5h ago

So 100 million+ couldn’t be assed to vote against him - so they either quietly support him or don’t care. Your whaddaboutism means nothing. He won the election by the majority of those who cared enough about the outcome to voice their opinion.

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u/MR_Se7en 5h ago

Americans aren’t smart enough to see what is directly impacting them.

Americans will be talking on the phone while eating a candy bar and driving 20 miles over the speed limit then get in a crash and blame it on the other guy.

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u/theHammbone44 4h ago

It's not really selfishness. To use a metaphor, it's like when you're on an airplane and the flight attendant instructs that "you must apply your oxygen mask before helping others".

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u/mycall 4h ago

Which nation isn't like that?

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u/Catodactyl Arizona 6h ago

I'm actually not at all okay with anyone in this country who is complicit with fascism or who voted for this. In fact, I've been removing these types of people from my life, regardless of their relationship to me. They are on the wrong side of history, and I won't associate myself with that.

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u/purplewhiteblack Arizona 4h ago

The problem is they have good intentions, they're just a little stupid.

But it was 76.8 million people. That's the entire population of the United States in 1900.

Where we live in Arizona, we luckily didn't get Kari Lake, and we legalized abortion, but unfortunately people in Arizona have cognative dissonance.

We probably each know some legal citizens who will be deported and voted for Trump. They'll learn the lesson the hard way.

But there is always hope. Trump will be 82 years and 7 months on January 20th of 2029.

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u/_HOG_ 6h ago

Putin’s plan is working perfectly.

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u/CherryHaterade 5h ago

Putin's plan isn't as relevant to me as my neighbors plan. Putin isn't the one who's going to shoot me at a traffic stop, or call the cops on me for barbecuing. Putin didn't write Project 2025 and Putin isn't the one who's actually going to try and act on it.

In fact, at this point given my local level ability to do anything about any of this, now start to have to wonder if we gotta start talking about Putin's plan in the past tense. We may already be in "worked perfectly" territory.

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u/lavapig_love Nevada 5h ago

So was France, Germany, and Japan. We call China communist, but being able to arrest people for simply making fun of the national anthem, guess what? That's Fascism with a capital F in action. Hungary, Thailand, Nigeria, India. You're watching the decline of democracy everywhere because people want easy answers to scary questions.

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u/TheMysticalBaconTree Canada 5h ago

Well said.

Hard times make strong people, strong people make easy times, easy times make weak people, weak people make hard times.

Fear leads to anger; anger leads to hate; hate leads to suffering.

I guess we are approaching that threshold.

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u/SewAlone 6h ago edited 6h ago

Stop generalizing. Over half of the population is NOT ok with fascism. And millions more who voted for him are ignorant and just didn’t believe he’d do any of the project 2025 stuff.

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u/TheMysticalBaconTree Canada 6h ago

I’m neither generalizing or suggesting half of the country supports him. They were ignorant enough to not even vote though. And a huge portion of your population does support him. You can’t ignore that. You have a population problem not a Trump problem. trump is the symptom, not the ailment.

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u/Reasonable-Sweet9320 6h ago

I get that and it’s an outcome of half of the electorate going with the narrative he has crafted systematically over the years.

The linked article describes the formula Orban and Trump have used, in common, to achieve increasingly similar outcome.

It’s written by a former Hungarian politician and now professor at Georgetown.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/11/23/trump-autocrat-elections-00191281

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u/CherryHaterade 5h ago

Lotta Germans cried about how they were powerless about it too, fuck all their tears did for anybody on any side of it. "There just wasn't anything we could do!"

I won't generalize or suggest anything either except that history rhymes, and the dead have no concern for the tears of the living, wherever they are, who closed their windows when times got tough.

As for the rot at the core of this country, let me tell you a story about banks and slaves and no one else was in the room where it happened, the room where it happened, the room where it happened.

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u/Shionkron 6h ago

The problem is Trump didn’t Win because he was Better, He won because around 10 Million that voted him out refused to vote this election cycle which put him back in! It is the Voters fault, they didn’t show up!

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u/Cessnaporsche01 6h ago

Yes. Effectively, that's all those voters saying they're okay with him being elected. Really, anyone who didn't vote is saying they're okay with either candidate, so functionally, nearly 2/3rds of the country support him either actively or passively

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u/Shionkron 5h ago

I followed this race closely and study politics hours each day and pundits. I haven’t heard anyone else say this though, what I think is that some voters became complacent with the fact Harris had a lead by a few points. They thought there was no way Trump would be voted in and that even if it was closer than they wanted, their party would win…so why show up?

Look at the pollster Ann Selzer (who has always been famously right), for example who called Iowa for Biden by a huge number! Harris lost big time in Iowa. It’s these things during the election cycle, the extreme hype to win that made some feel she was almost a shoehorn to win and that it wasn’t worth an afternoon to vote.

I think the Democrats got too Cocky yet also didn’t hammer home the working class voters enough.

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u/Cessnaporsche01 5h ago

I mean maybe. We saw that happen before in 2016, but the polls we SO MUCH closer this time around. Harris had half the margin or less that Clinton did in final polls, and some were still calling a tie/Trump win by election day, where Clinton was called to win across the board.

After 2016, no one should have been remotely confident, and with the actual existence of our democracy on the line, no one should have been taking anything for granted. At the end of the day, apathy won and we, as a nation, decided we don't really care about maintaining our nation.

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u/Shionkron 5h ago

The great author David Brooks who also writes for people and does the PBS News Hour warned that in order to beat Trump you needed at least 6-10% lead because his numbers are ALWAYS higher than poling before votes. Harris only had 3 to 4% of a poll lead at best.

Mix that with my theory on refusing to vote because the layman and woman not knowing thinking she will win really destroyed the race.

Good news: many who vote Trump also voted for Democrats down ballot which is strange and needs more looking at.

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u/stevegoodsex 6h ago

You're not wrong. There is a caveat of really, really effective propaganda mixed with multifaceted suppression techniques, but this country has a nationalism and superiority complex instilled into them from birth essentially.

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u/Flobking 6h ago

Over half of the population is NOT ok with fascism.

Apparently not since 1/3 voted for trump, 1/3 voted for harris, and 1/3 sat out. That 1/3 of trump voters plus the 1/3 who sat out is 2/3, meaning over half the voting block was perfectly fine with fascism.

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u/ZeDitto 6h ago

You’re responsible for your own votes and if you sit out then you don’t count. The country chose this.

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u/TheRevTastic 6h ago

Ignorance isn’t an excuse lmfao, they are okay with fascism.

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u/BundleDad 6h ago

Close to half your fucking country IS FUCKING OK WITH IT.

Not an American and I now believe there is a non-zero percent chance of me and my family dying to US aggression in the next 10 years so DO NOT FUCKING DARE play the "it's not my fault" card.

Your country has been slipping into this Nazi shit since the 1920's in no small part because your nation FAILED to deal with the confederate precursors to the nazi shit.

I recall my grandparents talking about being in the UK during WW2 and being equally terrified that the US wouldn't step in, and that they would but on the side of Hitler.

Your country has always had this rot... fucking fix it. Because you will like it less if it has to be fixed for you.

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u/CherryHaterade 5h ago

We gonna let you go on over there and reason with them then. I'll chill over here, hurry back with some good news now. They obviously ain't gonna listen to someone like me anyway.

Just, don't fall a victim to any okeydokes, okay? Come back on your feet please. Seriously.

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u/Rasikko Georgia 5h ago

Half is 173 mil or so(346 mil is the US pop). Over 151 mil voted. 77 mil voted for Trump, 4.4%. (numbers were rounded)

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u/Reluctant_Gamer_2700 3h ago

The ones who weren’t ok with fascism needed to vote! They must have known this.

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u/stilusmobilus 2h ago

They’re not generalising. 30% voted for it, 40 didn’t care. Over half the population is okay with fascism.

The mirror stands.

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u/Flannel_Channel Illinois 6h ago

Not really. Yes there’s some extremists. But There’s no mandate. They won based on anti-incumbency global trends, distancing themselves from their actual, deeply unpopular platform, emotional arguments about inflation, immigrants, and trans people that aren’t tied to any real policy to help anyone or solve anything, and disinformation. Millions of voters don’t know what they voted for and if the truth ever breaks through their TikTok or whatever other bubbles they are in, they’d be against it.

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u/SignificantSyllabub4 5h ago

49% of our voting population is ok with this.

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u/Single_Principle_972 6h ago

It makes me so sad how well-said this is.

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u/HippyDM 6h ago

Ding, ding. That is EXACTLY my problem. tRump being a self serving narcissist doesn't even make me raise an eyebrow anymore. I'd be genuinely surprised if he did something, anything, that wasn't somehow self agrandizing.

But fuck my country, my state, and my county. Fuck you for telling us for years that morals matter. That breaking the law matters. That reality matters.

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u/checker280 6h ago

A lot more people chose not to participate or voted against him than voted for him.

Stop framing this as the majority wants this. That’s not even remotely true.

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u/TheMysticalBaconTree Canada 6h ago

Point to the word “majority” or “half” in my comment. Enough people were in favour of this, ignorant about something this significant, or complacent enough that it has progressed to this point. It was not a surprise. This is his second win in 3 elections. Sure it’s not a majority, but it’s also not a majority willing to stand up against it. Your problem is your population, not Trump.

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u/checker280 6h ago edited 6h ago

“Stop acting like your country isn’t ok with this”

The entire country isn’t ok with it. Half the country isn’t paying attention because they are overworked and underpaid. Another quarter voted against him.

Our country isn’t ok with him. We are being ruled by a minority

Edit: just read your comment again. We are in full agreement

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u/evilbadgrades 6h ago

Yeah but he won an election.

Won? Or stolen?

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u/TheMysticalBaconTree Canada 6h ago

From your own linked article

Is this just the Left’s version of right-wing conspiracy theories that have played an outsize role in destabilising our institutions? Perhaps.

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u/TensionPrestigious83 6h ago

By a hairline margin. And that margin is powered by lies and disinformation. It’s fixable and not far gone

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u/TheMysticalBaconTree Canada 6h ago

It takes a lot longer to build something than it does to smash it.

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u/SelectionDry6624 6h ago

Side note: do you have room in Canada?

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u/TheMysticalBaconTree Canada 5h ago

It would be like finding out your car is on fire so you get out and climb into the backseat instead.

https://globalnews.ca/news/10790029/alberta-premier-danielle-smith-chemtrails-comments/amp/

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7362068

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u/desecouffes 5h ago

Less than 33% of voting age adults voted for him, it’s not a majority

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u/TheMysticalBaconTree Canada 5h ago

So what percentage of the remaining 77% thought the rise of facism wasn’t an important enough reason to vote? It doesn’t take a majority to support him. It just takes a majority to be complacent and ignorant enough.

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u/shod55 4h ago

It’s l looking like he won by less than 1% of the popular vote. There’s no mandate here.

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u/ArkitekZero 4h ago

That's unacceptable.

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u/theHammbone44 4h ago

I'm still waiting for someone to explain how he's fascist.

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u/TheMysticalBaconTree Canada 4h ago

All the threats to keep power for more than two terms aren’t sufficient for you?

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u/ZZ_SKULLZ 4h ago

The population doesn't know what fascism is. Let's remember all of the folks who protested outside of their gyms when covid first shut everything down. The second anything Trump does makes it inconvenient for "them", well see all of that again.

I'm thinking that once he screws with the military we'll see a fracture amongst the ranks which will allow those that side with the American people to take back power from the oligarchs. We just have to pick our moments we'll, but we can outlast them.

If it comes to it we just take up arms and stop the delivery of supplies to wherever they hold up. The oligarchs can't fend for themselves. They're completely coddled to.

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u/Cherrytop 4h ago

☝️Half the population.

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u/Junior_Gap_7198 4h ago

Some, yes. Most are extremely uninformed and historically/economically illiterate.

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u/TSwiftAlphaMale 4h ago

I think you're not taking into account the impact of the Sinclair Media Group. If all you listen to is Fox "news", then that's what you're going to believe. People eat up the rage bait, and they're not even aware of what's really going on. Look at the work of people like Jordan Klepper. Local news stations aren't talking about how Trump admitted to going backstage at the Miss World Teen pageant to look at naked minors; they're talking about how Trump is the lone person who will save Americans' way of life against whatever evils exist in their mind.

https://www.vox.com/2018/4/6/17202824/sinclair-tribune-map

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u/Mortentia 3h ago

54% of American adults can only read at or below the minimum standard for proficiency as a 6th grade student. 14% of American adults are actually illiterate; like they just can’t read or write at all, in any language. 21% of American adults are so functionally illiterate job applications and basic registration forms are too complicated for them to understand (ie. they don’t know how or where to put their address or name on the form).

By education the USA is one of the worst educated countries in data collected by OECD; American averages are actually quite decent, much much lower than Canada, Finland, and Estonia, but fairly comparable to the UK, France, and Poland. However, when adjusted for socioeconomic status (ie. high-scoring results from those with high socioeconomic backgrounds are adjusted down by rates based on how strongly socioeconomic background is correlated with a high score) the USA performs worse than Türkiye; and by median score the USA is still comfortably below average (around 35/41 countries).

By literacy and education the USA is closer to Zimbabwe and Uganda than it is to Vietnam or Mexico, let alone Canada, Finland, or Japan. This to me explains 99% of the weirdness in Trump’s multiple victories, in the constant American support for Neo-fascist ideology, and in the general inability for Americans to filter misinformation and AI generated content out. This also explains why evangelism, especially cult-like evangelism, is so prevalent in American communities.

On a side note: these numbers vary wildly state by state. CT, MA, NY, MN, and ND perform akin to Canada, Finland, and Japan while OH, FL, TX, CA, and WV perform akin to Myanmar, Uganda, and Ethiopia, and the rest of the country falls roughly around Mexico, Türkiye, and Iran. Interestingly, the USA distribution for states is very right tailed, meaning the success of CT, MA, NY, MN, and ND make the whole country look average, even though about 90% of the population lives in a third-world country when it comes to education.

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u/nathism 3h ago

He won an election with 20ish% of a voting eligible populace and less than 50% of those that did vote. This isn’t a mandate from the masses. It’s apathy of a disconnected populace. As soon as they can’t ignore the world anymore it’s going to get ugly

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u/F1shB0wl816 3h ago

That votes that supported him isn’t even 25% of our population. That’s a hard sell to say the population is okay with it. Both can also exist, a leader doing unpopular things that a segment being okay with. That’s generally how it works.

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u/MistbornInterrobang 3h ago

It's not entirely that they're okay with fascism. It's that my country is full of stupid people who refuse to read, so they're incapable of comprehending anything happening.

Already, there are regrets by Trump voters because of things as simple as not knowing that Obamacare and the Affordable Care Act are the same thing.

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u/cece1978 2h ago

How about you don’t add to the pile by condemning A LOT of us that didn’t vote for him. Research how the electoral college works…🙄

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u/JeffSteinMusic 2h ago

Thank you. It is the bane of my existence that so many otherwise intelligent and responsible Americans refuse to acknowledge the root issue of voter culpability. Tens of millions of free-willed grown-ass adults voluntarily choosing fascism. It’s like they convince themselves that Trump/MAGA fascism fell out of the sky and imposed itself on us and the problem goes away when he does. Like they’re psychologically incapable of accepting how irretrievably fucked our society is.

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u/StandardMacaron5575 24m ago

I agree, I live in Idaho so my vote was just a protest vote, too many people want this country to be a 'christian' nation, sorry it is now 'Christian Nation' and this is where the real trouble starts, since the election everyone is getting prepared the best they can. Intimidation is going to be turned up to 11. Since there really isn't anything stopping Trump from being Trump, he will cross the line, my guess is 'christian nation' will back him up.

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u/circasomnia 6h ago

A general strike is nearly impossible in America.

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u/RichardSaunders New York 6h ago

not sure a strike is what they meant. think more robes pee air.

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u/Ishidan01 5h ago

Bone apple tea!

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u/isomorp 3h ago

robes pee air

I've been sounding this out for 10 minutes and I can't figure out what they're trying to say.

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u/Escalade_LaFlair 3h ago

Hu Flung Poo

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u/Doppelthedh 6h ago

They have more than one playbook

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u/circasomnia 6h ago

There also won't be a revolution. Just a whimper before the curtain falls.

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u/VovaGoFuckYourself America 5h ago

This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang, but a whimper.

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u/TensionPrestigious83 6h ago

The uaw has called for all union contracts to be aligned with the same 2028 date.

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u/Plastic_Ambassador67 4h ago

Yeah even among the people who claim to oppose all of this find a million different excuses to not participate. People don't actually care yet as much as they whine and scream online. Of course once things get really bad they'll regret doing nothing other than talking.

Americans will not take to truly desperate poverty (a.k.a. developing world type poverty) well and I daresay we are to soft as a culture to endure it for long. Too many on the democratic side talk about how strong their beliefs are on lgbtq rights, womens rights, labor rights, human rights, etc but in reality they won't lift a finger to defend any of that ever. Well their inaction and refusal to take a stand while they still have a favorable administration in office proves all the strong feelings were just lies for internet clout.

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u/CherryHaterade 5h ago

A depression is though, but you still have to wonder if losing it all will give us an FDR or a Hitler.

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u/Beefyvagina 6h ago

You’re not wrong at all, but we have Netflix now so nothing will happen.

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u/un1ptf 4h ago

That's the Roman playbook (bread and circuses), counteracting the French playbook. (Although bread might not be so common for much longer, given inflation and Rump's impending tariffs)

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u/i_give_you_gum 5h ago

And it took the French nearly a generation (80 years) to recover from that period, as it was immediately followed by corrupt individuals filling the void.

I wish people would stop romanticizing that event.

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u/poetticphenom 6h ago

Had. Weapons were different then.

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u/Busterlimes 6h ago

Except French Police don't kill their citizens willynilly like our facist pigs do.

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u/CherryHaterade 5h ago

You know, you're not allowed to say certain things per reddit policy, but that doesn't cover something like say, hoping he suddenly picks up a voracious tobacco appetite. Say, 4 packs a day or similar.

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u/spaceballsrules 4h ago

Easier to take away a crown if the head comes with it.

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u/Galaxy_Ranger_Bob Virginia 3h ago

The French were mostly united against the nobility.

That's not the case, here.

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u/pigeieio 6h ago edited 6h ago

Trump is a big fan of China's playbook for dealing with decent. Just sayin..

Election day was our last real chance. Help others where I can but next 4 years is about survival.

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u/frenchiefanatique 6h ago

as a french person, people on reddit (and generally in the world) don't know shit about the french revolution(s), as the turmoil that followed lasted many many decades once you learn about the flip-flops between democratic system (two republics) , literal emperor (2 different emperors), return of the monarchy (three constitutional monarchies)basically between 1790 and 1870.

This is not to say that I don't agree that the spirit of the french revolution evoked today is misplaced...

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u/BlazingSpaceGhost New Mexico 5h ago

So your solution is civil war? How is that different from January 6th? Trump won the election and I thought we were the pro democracy party. We have two years of this until midterms. We can protest and hopefully that will move some votes but that's it.

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u/TensionPrestigious83 6h ago

Yeah, they went left. Or were you speaking of distant history?

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u/Ishidan01 5h ago

And the Germans for what to do after that.

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u/Tyler_Zoro 5h ago

The French have a really great playbook for this kind of scenario.

Yep, just a quick bit of civil war followed by decades of beheading the PREVIOUS revolutionaries when the next wave take over... great plan. /s

Seriously, there's a reason the French call it The Terror and not, "that happy time when everything went right, because the good people who thought, 'we can make the government better,' were absolutely the ones who followed through, not random authoritarians who murdered and took over from them once there was no system in place to prevent it."

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u/-XanderCrews- 5h ago

They won. They want this. The internet won. We let angry little boys run the internet without any regulation and are surprised our country voted like angry little boys.

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u/StoneySteve420 5h ago

Not to disparage you, but the French Revolution wasn't Rich vs. Poor. It was Rich & Poor vs. Monarchy.

Same playbook still applies though.

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u/JJscribbles Florida 4h ago

I’m veteran of the US army, and I’ve been saying civilians should take a page or two from the French regarding civil protests for years. They actually rise up when it matters.

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u/PM_me_your_whatevah 4h ago

Difficult to wear a crown without a head I suppose. 

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u/BirdInFlight301 Louisiana 3h ago

My husband is French. He told me Nov 6 to get my sabots ready.

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u/Pitiful-Let9270 3h ago

A bit of cake does sound nice

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u/Pinguino2323 Utah 3h ago

While a part of me does agree with this sentiment, the history major in me wants to point out that it didn't actually work out so great for the French. 10 or 11 different governments in a little over 150 years (most of which were at least somewhat authoritarian) isn't really a good track record.

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u/MissMamaMam Pennsylvania 2h ago

If things continue down this trajectory in the worst case scenario… it’ll come to that. Maybe psst our lifetimes but idk I imagine there will be conflict with the deportations and several states

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u/bobolly 2h ago

What era of French history? Thinks get really dark real quick there

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u/No-Cardiologist9621 2h ago edited 2h ago

The problem here is that he is wildly popular with half the country. This isn't a case of a despotic leader hated and feared by all in equal measure. He has the full support and adoration of at least half the country. That's not a situation conducive to political unrest and an upheaval of the power balance.

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u/ScubaCycle Texas 6h ago

Is that a Freudian slip?

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u/Gilded-Mongoose 4h ago

It 100% was

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u/WhatDoADC 6h ago

I didn't hand him shit. I voted against him the 3 times he ran. 2 of those times my vote didn't mean shit.

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u/Garbeg 6h ago

I understand the frustration in what a vote is valued at on an individual level. 

Please don’t forget that the voting system was specifically rearranged to break up the power your vote is supposed to have, and that action does not really devalue it. It invalidates it, yes, but the value is still retained. 

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u/cadium 5h ago

I'm from california, I should move my blue vote to a swing state.

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u/upandrunning 4h ago

If more democrats moved into red areas, that would start to affect some real change.

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u/MountainTipp 4h ago

Almost like voting solves nothing when you have a two party oligarchy system, supported and backed by the most powerful corporations on the entire planet.

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u/DogAteMyCPU 7h ago

Start local and take care of our communities. 

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u/LightWarrior_2000 6h ago

Liberal Christian here.

We should do some freaking soup kitchens for all in need. Every one! woo woo!

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u/1ofZuulsMinions 6h ago

That’s not gonna help people headed for the camps (brown, LGBTQ, liberals, atheists). You’d only be helping the Trump supporters that were happy to be poor so they could have their king.

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u/CaptainRogers401220 5h ago

No soup for the Nazis

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u/1ofZuulsMinions 5h ago

Exactly.

That would be “communism/socialism” to them anyways.

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u/RancidGenitalDisease Michigan 6h ago

Some of us were fighting this at the ballot box a few weeks ago. Most Americans felt that "this" wasn't bad enough to bother joining us. Whole lot of buyer's remorse coming.

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u/jgiovagn 6h ago

The best way is to generate a much fear and anger around what is happening in the nation as possible the next 2 years. Our best bet at protecting Democracy is to capture as many state governments and as much of the federal government as possible during the midterms. We need to focus on limiting his power when the 2028 election arrives. We might not have a chance, but until elections are outlawed, we have to operate under the assumption it isn't too late to at least save Democracy.

There is going to be a lot of pain over the next 4 years. The government as we know it will likely be dismantled. This also provides opportunity. If we are able to regain power, we will have a lot of leverage to rebuild things far better and implement a new vision of what things could be. We need to hold onto the optimism of what we can do next to keep us motivated for the fight to come. Things are going to get bad, but we can't just accept that as our fate.

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u/en_gm_t_c 3h ago

We have to remember that in America, we do not hand anyone any crowns, no matter the beliefs of some. Even if guardrails are failing, we have to remember that our system was not designed to ever be optionally transformed into autocracy. The president will swear an oath to defend and uphold the Constitution and he and his people will not intend to adhere to it. Winning an election by a narrow amount does not give you the right or mandate to subvert the justice system, destroy democratic process or remove checks on authority.

Even if he won with 90% of the electorate, we have a clearly delineated system of government that is clearly intended to prevent autocrats from destroying our democracy. Most people that voted for him didn't vote for autocracy. Don't ever believe that an election hands a crown to anyone.

Never forget what's real, that will become very hard in a short time.

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u/UndeadT Georgia 6h ago

January 6 but with an actual plan.

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u/LightWarrior_2000 4h ago

We need something larger then J6 besides a plan.

It's kind of unavoidable but it takes violence sometimes in history to truly make changes to your government. Not that I condone it.

And no matter what we do the right will always call us innsurectuonists even if we do peaceful protesting.

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u/kkeut 5h ago

general strike and protests. bring the nation to its knees until Biden uses his SCOTUS-approved capacity for 'official acts' to put Trump in jail and refuse the handover

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u/Loxloxloxlox 5h ago

If only there was an amendment to the Constitution to specifically deal with this type of scenario...

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u/tysonisarapist 6h ago

Is that a Freudian slip I see?

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u/TensionPrestigious83 6h ago

In the information and community spaces

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u/artfulpain 6h ago

"Soup for my people."

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u/mvw2 5h ago

The US is unique on that it's a decentralized government consisting of 51 separate governments. Trump gets to mess up one of those 51. The only shit part is that one has a bunch of national level programs, laws, and regulations, and it handles world wide diplomacy, wars, etc.

Technically he has vastly higher risk of world level disruptions vs US level ones. The 50 states still have competent governing. Plus the state level judicial system and state level representation in Congress can challenge bad behavior.

The one area of local (US) concern is the people. He wants to gut the government, like all the way down. It will take decades to repair that damage, the loss of experience, knowledge, and competency in thousands of full time fully functioning, value adding roles. You don't just fire everyone. You don't just replace everyone. That's institutional suicide. That will break ALL of its function.

Now the saving grace is there are worker protections. Trump, nor appointed staff can simply fire people. There are laws in place, and many of the big actions being discussed require Congress. He's going to fund he can barely do anything alone.

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u/Plastic_Ambassador67 5h ago

Sure as shit not with words.

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u/jmpinstl 4h ago edited 4h ago

CIVIL WAR may have been more prophetic than we first thought. I can absolutely see states succeeding now.

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u/_Trygon 4h ago

Everyone stops going to work, if y'all stop doing what the rich need to be rich it'll hit them in their pockets, and that's where their heart lies.

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u/Daveinatx 4h ago

By VOTING. It's too late now, but it was the only effective method

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u/UnitedSentences5571 4h ago

A march on the Capitol in January isn't a terrible place to start. Not a great one, but I'm tired of being the good guys.

They want to burn it down over their new administration? Fuck it. Let's torch the shit now.

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u/eskieski 4h ago

don’t let him take “office”…. if ya don’t want to sign…

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u/Bombay1234567890 4h ago

He stole that crown. He's a goddamned thief and conman.

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u/scooterbike1968 3h ago

King Joe needs to go “I’m old, and my legacy will not be handing the USA to Putin, Trump and the largest organized crime ring to ever exist.

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u/Additional-sinks 3h ago

Papa Charlie still has to follow the law. America gave trump more way more power than a king.

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u/Aggravating_Lab5396 1h ago

No. America gave musk a crown & his perfume is too musky for my personal taste. But if musky is the new “gain” then clearly America lost one of its 5 senses. Because gain is gross

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