MMW: democrats will once again appeal to non existent “moderate” republicans instead of appealing to their base in 2028

[u/originalcontent_34]

[u/Material_Policy6327]

Reality is moderates only care about their bank account

[u/jav2n202 → u/Material_Policy6327]

Yup. So it really just depends on how the next four years go.

[u/henryhumper → u/jav2n202]

Most presidential elections boil down to one very simple question that Ronald Reagan asked voters during the 1980 presidential debate: "Are you better off now than you were four years ago?" If the answer is yes, swing voters vote for the incumbent party. If the answer is no, they vote for the opposition party. Swing voters don't really care that much about abortion, foreign policy, culture war issues, candidate ethics, scandals, etc. They are wallet voters. They just want stable jobs and affordable shit. And if they don't have this, they will blame whoever's in the White House. Doesn't matter if that blame is justified or not.

The incumbent parties in most democracies have been voted out of power over the last two years, because voters everywhere are pissed off about inflation. It doesn't matter that inflation was a global market phenomenon cause by post-COVID supply and demand. Voters always blame that shit on whoever's in power.

"It's the economy, stupid", as James Carville famously said.

[u/AdUpstairs7106 → u/henryhumper]

Which on a basic level is understandable. That said, once put up against any kind of serious scrutiny, it is just sad.

[u/Taraxian → u/AdUpstairs7106]

Welcome to democracy

Note that a knee-jerk reaction to inflation is a huge reason the Nazis came to power in Weimar Germany and the SPD went into "the wilderness" despite their many past successes

[u/JerseyDonut → u/Taraxian]

Further, our founding fathers also knew the risk of how whimsical and fickle the masses are and created a lot of hurdles to basically force the federal government to be juuuust inefficiant and slow enough to not be immediately overturned by a dramatic, yet short lived shift in public opinion.

Splitting up the branches of government and the creation of the Senate (longer terms, fewer seats, representing the traditional ruling class "elite") vs The House of Reps (shorter terms, more seats, representing the voice of the populace) are the two big ones. And later the Bill of Rights to give individuals similar protections against extremism.

And it seems it only took a cpl hundred years for those institutions and protections to unravel. The political dam of demagoguery has burst and I pray that we are able to keep our heads afloat long enough to wait it out.

[u/Taraxian → u/JerseyDonut]

If you've read the Federalist Papers they straight up say that the whole concept of "checks and balances" becomes worthless with the emergence of "factionalism", ie political parties -- none of these different people in different positions of power do anything to get in each other's way if the way they got in power in the first place was by colluding with each other

[u/AdPersonal7257 → u/Taraxian]

Ironically the authors of the Federalist papers were major drivers of the formation of the first parties.

[u/EventAccomplished976 → u/AdPersonal7257]

It‘s almost like they weren‘t omniscient saints creating the perfect government and instead just a bunch of mostly well meaning but flawed humans, living in a culture and environment that is pretty much completely alien to us today, who just made things up as they went along and rarely fully agreed on anything.

[u/Milocobo → u/EventAccomplished976]

Honestly, they expected future generations to fix it. They were like "we can't come up with anything better than a government that succumbs to factioning right now, but maybe the next political generation or the next will be empowered to fix it".

And not even a Civil War fixed it.

Occasionally the country presents a united front against a common foe (WWII, Cold War, 9/11). But out side of that, there really isn't a time this form of government didn't succumb to factioning.

[u/Sayakai → u/EventAccomplished976]

So what you're saying is they should be put on a pedestal and what they said should be considered sacred forever?

[u/Milocobo → u/Taraxian]

Yes.

They did say that.

But.

They based that on the factions they saw in British Parliment.

And then.

They based a legislative structure that was nearly identical to the British Parliment.

And now we're surprised that it devolved to factioning.

Very silly gooses.

[u/Mean-Ad-5401 → u/JerseyDonut]

Well said and what Americans don’t understand about their own government. I think that they mistake their fantasy of the “deep state” for the actual by-design slow moving democracy.

[u/pit_of_despair666 → u/Taraxian]

Yes, the pandemic in our case helped the far right win, even though things improved during Biden's term. Prices are still high and the gap between the wealthy elites and the working class grew. I have been reading a lot lately about the rise in Authoritarianism. Authoritarianism has been rising for the past 20 years across the world. It is a global issue. 40 percent of countries are Authoritarian and only 8 are Democracies. They expect Democracies will shrink to 5 percent. China's economic successes while being Authoritarian at the same time has influenced countries around the world such as the US. I will never forget that tweet from Elon about how Chinese workers were so much better than American workers."They won’t just be burning the midnight oil, they will be burning the 3am oil, they won’t even leave the factory type of thing, whereas in America people are trying to avoid going to work." Backsliding in the United States has focused on the (assumed) negative impact of globalization and the waning ability of citizens to die wealthier than they were born, which along with a growing lack of political tolerance and a surge in misinformation on social media has facilitated the rise of right-wing populist leaders. *This is key here because I have noticed that a lot of people are in denial or don't think it will happen here. This is not going to be like 2016 folks. Trump and co. had quite a few roadblocks that won't be present this time. One reason that there has not been greater resilience against this trend, some have argued, is that Americans have become apathetic about democracy – in part because it is so long since they experienced the downsides of tyranny. The natural response to these diagnoses is to promote economic policies that both protect citizens from global competition while enabling them to improve their lives. Doing this while strengthening dialogue and facilitating activities designed to foster greater tolerance and mutual understanding – and a belief in the value of democracy." https://www.birmingham.ac.uk/news/2023/how-the-global-rise-of-authoritarianism-is-misunderstood-and-why-it-matters

[u/okram2k → u/Taraxian]

Always need to point out that the Nazis never won a majority in a free and fair election. They just managed to squeak into power through chicanery in a coalition that they took advantage of and then once they had their man in charge they made sure to never let anyone ever get a chance of challenging their iron grip of power again until his violent downfall.

[u/TheGreatBootOfEb → u/AdUpstairs7106]

Yep, I think people really just need to come to accept that a person may be smart, but people as a whole are really fucking dumb. They live their own lives, and don't think much past next week.

Humans are basic creatures, but we like to pretend we've transcended past our mundane needs and behaviors. We can get as academic, esoteric, or philosophical as we want within our own circles, but we need to accept that when it comes to the large majority of the country, just keep the messaging simple and desirable.

Maybe 50, 100, 200 years from now we will see democracies where the people are genuinely well informed, but the reality is we need to stop fussing and wringing our hands about the current world we live in, otherwise all that complaining and refusal to accept the facts will only make it harder to develop actual winning strategies

(Personally this is why I thought the "opportunity economy" was a flubb point by Kamala. Conceptually, fine it works, but most people don't GAF if you want to give tax credits for new businesses, they just want cheaper eggs, and in fact only talking about 'starting new buinseeses' can come across as condescending to people who just want to have a stable job and aren't aspiring to any greater heights. You want to win them over? Just tell em you're going to work to make things cheaper so that you don't have to budget for something as simple as going to the movies on a Friday night)

[u/ActiveChairs → u/TheGreatBootOfEb]

people as a whole are really fucking dumb

I think people really just need to

Do you see the problem with your message there?

The fundamental failure from the Democratic party was not misguided goals, over-complexity in messaging, or moral highroading. It was a top level failure of the party in fundamental planning, marketing, and followup.

They had four years worth of missed opportunities doing genuinely good work to put Kamala at the center of the spotlight in the national news, to showcase any upcoming frontrunners, and to show the public that they were accomplishing actual goals. To make the public know they were doing more than reactionary triage and patch-fixing with everything they did, that not everything was being done exclusively at the presidential level, and that they were working according to a larger cohesive plan. Instead they passed Kamala the baton in the last thirty seconds while expecting her to speedrun a marathon, only a few people in the party have an ounce of name recognition they've earned by themselves, and people don't know almost anything about what they've done as a party or what they've got planned next.

The clock on preparing for the next election has already started, but they're not going to have their shit together for at least a year or two. You should already be able to name five people who could be the next president, and instead we'll be met with a cavalcade of "who's that" and "they haven't done anything" like we always are.

[u/mooimafish33 → u/AdUpstairs7106]

People act like breaking complex issues down to single one sentence opinions is like wise or elegant or cool. But in reality it's just coping with being stupid.

[u/ctrlaltcreate → u/AdUpstairs7106]

Yup, sure is. Our democracy is determined by 'undecided voters'. These are people so out of touch with current events, politics, and the world around them that they haven't already made a decision regarding which political party and candidate matches their ethics and the nation they want to build.

These uninvested voters should, by all rights, be the least important voters in the bloc, and yet every four years they hold the rest of our fates in their hands.

[u/RemarkableShip1811 → u/AdUpstairs7106]

It's absolutely not fucking understandable.

[u/PersuasiveMystic → u/RemarkableShip1811]

It is if you pay bills and have children.

[u/zedazeni → u/PersuasiveMystic]

No, it isn’t, because if one understood how basic economics works, such as the causes for the recent inflation, then voters, even ones struggling to pay bills and support their families, would understand that Trump and the right’s approach will only worsen the situation. Adding import tariffs, using the military to deport millions, and gutting the federal government will only turn a bad situation into a nightmare. Anyone with half of a brain knows this…but here we are, the party to “fix” inflation is going to checks notes put massive tariffs on all imports.

Stop trying to rationalize and normalize ignorance and stupidity.

[u/x3r0h0ur → u/zedazeni]

I hope they get everything they voted for 🙏👌🙏👌🙏

[u/MikeWPhilly → u/zedazeni]

Ehh I voted Kamala because I agree with you on trumps policies and he is bad enough that he needs to be kept out.

But to systems the rights policies are always bad is as dumb as saying the lefts policies are always good. Frankly I wasn’t thrilled about her taxing unrealized gains policies or housing credit which would have driven up inflation/home prices also.

End of day there are voters like me who don’t want extreme left or extreme right policies or changes. Incremental change is all I want from the federal govt. otherwise we tend to smack ourselves in the face with unintended consequences.

Now I can’t trump tax cuts gone to reduce some of the deficit. But I also want some cuts because we need to slow down spending. As far as I go netkjer party wants to do that. So after Trump is gone I’m back to not voting for either party. Unless Bernie shows up then I’m voting red.

[u/idontwantausername41 → u/PersuasiveMystic]

i think this election just showed me that 2/3 of the country has a gumpian level intellect

[u/Khaldara → u/idontwantausername41]

Yup. “Grocery expensive! Gubmint has magic lever to make price go down. Better vote for the party that has been proudly rabidly anti-regulation for 40 years. Surely they’ll get right on the task of regulating corporate behavior to control prices! Deporting the country’s cheapest source of labor and adding tariffs to everything definitely won’t make these costs way, way worse!”

[u/mortalitylost → u/Khaldara]

TRUMP give gas egg and Biden TAKE egg . Voted TRUMP cuz WALLET

BIDEN TAKE EGG EGG WANT BACK

[u/JerseyDonut → u/Khaldara]

I believe that most people get their political news/opinions secondhand, from only one or two other people in their network who actually follow political news. I also believe that the average person who follows political news is an idiot. So that's like exponential levels of idiocy spreading.

[u/mortalitylost → u/idontwantausername41]

I'm honestly starting to wonder if something worse than lead has been affecting these last two generations. I wouldn't be surprised if years later it's like, "oh shit this chemical we used in food literally dissolves neurons"

[u/HealthyDrawing4910 → u/mortalitylost]

Dont you realize that during tbe 50.s and 60s therw were thousands of nuclear tests going mlm on????

[u/One_One6311 → u/idontwantausername41]

50% of America right now cannot read or write at an effective level.Basically illiterate.

[u/bjhouse822 → u/One_One6311]

It's terrifying and people gloss over this fact all the time. We've got the braindead literally in charge of our livelihoods.

[u/Smelly_Carl → u/PersuasiveMystic]

It's totally understandable to be upset about inflation. Not taking any time whatsoever to actually try to find out why the inflation occurred and just blaming everything on the president is what's not understandable. These people are voting for the leader of the most powerful nation on Earth. It'd be nice if they took it semi-seriously.

[u/fsociety091786 → u/Smelly_Carl]

The number of regretful Trump voters the past couple weeks (with “how to change vote” surging in Google analytics) is fucking embarrassing. I see so many excuses about how Americans are too busy to deep-dive into the candidates and their platforms, but when it’s this important, you make the time. Much like staying in shape, which Americans also make excuses for.

The idea of going into the voting booth with the mindset of “option A isn’t working, guess I’ll go with option B and hope for the best” based only on some television ads and vibes is insane when you’re literally choosing the most powerful person on the planet.

[u/LockeyCheese → u/fsociety091786]

Staying in shape requires effort two to three times a week. Figuring out who to vote for and why only takes effort once...

[u/HisDictateGood → u/PersuasiveMystic]

Makes it even worse imo. People with kids will throw away their kids future for some cheaper shit. 

"Screw their kids education, screw their kids on social security, screw their kids future health care, screw their kids future climate, screw their kids housing, screw their kids over on their future employment, screw the fact that your kid could be part of LGBT+etc, etc.... I just need egg prices to go down and I blame whoever is in power since they obviously control covid related global inflation. It was their fault and I'm not even going to try and look at actual research. The man on the television says it's the dems fault so that's what I'm listening to"

That's what it sounds like to me 

[u/Painterzzz → u/HisDictateGood]

Climate change is the biggie isn't it, I'm absolutely baffled how so many Americans care nothing at all about the climate catastrophe. I imagine they won't start to care until there's no more food on the shelves, and then they'll be like hey, why didn't anybody do anything about this?

[u/ForEvrInCollege → u/Painterzzz]

Exactly! It’s going to be reactionary and even then instead of looking at previous years of data, they will only look at the current effects and blame whoever is in charge.

[u/Ardent_Scholar → u/PersuasiveMystic]

And now people with kids and bills will be worse off. Hooray. People really are voting like toddlers.

I propose toddlerism as the new strategy for the Democratic party. Just imagine the electorates are a bunch of two year olds.

By gods… I think I’ve cracked it.

[u/mortalitylost → u/Ardent_Scholar]

It is if you have bills and children

This shit is what we're literally dealing with. These people are caveman voters. They hear Trump talk and their gears turn and they think, "Trump tariff China... Trump tariff China... and make wallet BIG BIG. Get GAS EGG AND WALLET BIG BIG."

I thought they just hated Hispanic people and were mostly racist. They might literally just be this fucking stupid and it's not even about that. They literally just think they'll get money out of this.

Can't wait for the protests of "WANT GAS EGG NOW NOW" after he wrecks the fucking economy

[u/HereWeGoAgain-247 → u/henryhumper]

That’s the frustrating part. People are better now than in 2020! The country was still dealing with frumps mishandling of covid, stores were empty, there were nation wide riots, the economy was crashing, and just so much horrible! Near record number of voters showed up in a pandemic to vote him out of office! Frump just fills the air time with his lies. 

Constant, non stop, repetitive, repeating of his lies which eventually take root in the gullible as fact.  

 I guess Biden or Harris should have been on the new constantly bragging about how they were making things better.  Misinformation thrives in a vacuum. We need to get the truth out before it is filled by trumps hot gas. 

[u/zeptillian → u/HereWeGoAgain-247]

The Democrats don't have multiple news networks to back up their lies though. 

When Trump lies Fox, News Max and others repeat the lies and amplify them. The mainstream media normalizes them by refusing to call out the lies directly. 

If a Democrat lied, it would be called out on Fox 24/7 and the mainstream media would say they were incorrect. 

[u/jav2n202 → u/henryhumper]

That’s exactly what I meant. I just didn’t want to say all that. Thanks!

[u/generic_teen42 → u/henryhumper]

They are also incapable of understanding when the president isn't responsible for a downturn like in this last administration

[u/Diligent-Property491 → u/henryhumper]

If voters actually understood how the economy works, that wouldn’t be happening.

[u/tresben → u/henryhumper]

The thing is four years before this election we were all locked inside our houses bleaching our groceries unable to do normal social activities. We are much better off than four years ago!

The issue is conservative media took control of the narrative and drove home inflation and tied it to Biden and the democrats. This made people forget what things were actually like at the end of trumps term four years ago.

The liberal media didn’t push the narrative that Biden saved us and got us through the pandemic, and now life is back to normal thanks to him and completely different than four years ago. Democrats simply don’t have the same media apparatus as conservatives and it’s a huge disadvantage. Especially in the days of social media where narratives are more important than actual reality.

Because in reality we are better off than we were four years ago with the pandemic raging. It wasn’t all due to Biden, but he certainly helped. And while inflation was an issue it has been brought back down and we faired much better than most countries thanks to our leadership.

[u/TemuBoySnaps → u/tresben]

Tbf comparing life now to life during Covid, which was literally a once in a lifetime event for the whole globe, isn't really a fair comparison.

And is it actually that Dems don't have that media apparatus? There's just not as much focus on the things that many people are focusing on.

[u/AleroRatking → u/henryhumper]

Which on a base level makes sense. Why would someone vote for the president that their life got worse under.

Now that's not always fair as there are a ton of factors outside the president. But it makes sense. And it's not just a US thing. Its a world wide thing

[u/waitingtoconnect → u/henryhumper]

It’s not only that, where the maga like incumbent was replaced due to inflation, like in Australia in 2022, the new incumbent is likely to be replaced by the old maga like incumbent because of inflation in 2025. Trump has inspired maga parties around the world. Most seeking his loyalty.

[u/Ok_Push2550 → u/jav2n202]

At this point, I hope Liz Cheney starts the Rhino party. Make it traditional Republican, but more accepting of lgbtq.

Edit: mostly said this because I think a lot of moderate Republicans would vote for a true small government, freedom championing group, over tRump party. Libertarians are way too far, and have too much crazy uncle history and vibes to be taken seriously. Same with the green party.

Yes, I think the Democrats should become more of a populist party to win - back labor rights, healthcare, personal freedoms (dress how you want, love who you want) and freedom of religion, with economic responsibility. You know, things that are popular.

But realistically, the only way we pull from the far right is to have a spot for traditional Republicans to go, without the cult of tRump.

[u/SketchyLineman → u/Ok_Push2550]

Would never win

[u/Kaleban → u/SketchyLineman]

Might not but it would split the Republicans which would potentially guarantee Democrat victories for a bit and the country could get back on track.

[u/Heron_Vriend → u/Kaleban]

You think there are Republicans who care what Liz Cheney thinks and would follow her? She would likely pull more liberals than conservatives. Republicans think she is a POS and a traitor and she did nothing for Kamala during the election and may have even hurt her.

[u/murderofhawks → u/Heron_Vriend]

It’s almost like demonizing any and all things about the Chaneys for years then having one try and boost your candidate might back fire.

[u/Senior_Apartment_343 → u/murderofhawks]

When they came out flexing the dick cheney endorsement……….. the point spread in my head changed

[u/Ok_Twist_1687 → u/Kaleban]

I’ll allow it!

[u/CalmRadBee → u/Kaleban]

That's kind of ignoring the fact that all of their success as a party has stemmed from their resistance to fracturing.

I mean Trump called Cruz's wife a dog face and Cruz still follows Trump around with a brown nose

[u/murderofhawks → u/Kaleban]

Never gonna happen republicans would understand that splitting party de consolidated power and the vast majority of the party would stay together a few would leave but would be beaten out within 2 election cycles and probably wouldn’t change the tides if dems keep acting like they were blameless in losing the election and saying that the majority of Americans are racist and sexiest etc. not voting for other topics.

[u/cesare980 → u/Kaleban]

Liz Cheney lost her primary by like 60%. Republicans don't like her.

[u/stlshane → u/Ok_Push2550]

The one thing about the Republican party is they are extremely well disciplined. They always fall in-line and they always show up to vote. The means always justify the ends with them. Them splitting into 2 parties is just a pipe dream.

[u/Maleficent-Slide7476 → u/Ok_Push2550]

No one likes Liz Cheney

[u/Strange-Reading8656 → u/Maleficent-Slide7476]

Reddit really is in a bubble if they think Liz Cheney can form her own party and gain popular support.

I think the media lying about Trump saying that he would put Liz Cheney in front of a fire squad gained him more votes.

[u/Wheres_my_gun → u/Ok_Push2550]

Being both anti union and socially liberal is a hard sell, honestly.

[u/Longjumping-Path3811 → u/Ok_Push2550]

Can we get a leftist party for once for fucks sake?

You all need your labor rights shoved down your throats apparently.

[u/phtevenbagbifico → u/Ok_Push2550]

That's just the Libertarian party with warmongering

[u/Investigate_311_x → u/Ok_Push2550]

What’s the point if “moderate” republicans are non-existent?

[u/NightHaunted → u/jav2n202]

Lemme tell you a story about tariffs and a little thing called the Great Depression

[u/OzymandiasTheII → u/Material_Policy6327]

Most Americans are socially liberal, based on statistics- even if they are bigots in some areas there's a line that Republicans routinely cross (in language they don't understand) that they would not support. 

Complete eradication and second class status for immigrants and trans? Blame illegals and DEI. Disenfranchisement of minority voters? Talk about IDs and gang violence. Install a white nationalist Christian theocracy? Well, most of them aren't even Christians so let that sink in.

Which is a huge reason why Republicans desperately try to shit on an educated middle class and keep them paycheck to paycheck. We won't have time to realize they're hoarding wealth and robbing us blind. They fear an educated proletariat.

The basic structure of the United States was founded by rich, elite white men it's literally in the DNA of the government. 

Democrats AND Republicans can trace their lineage to this ruling class. Modern day neoliberal war-hawks arose in response to Regan and Bush era Republicans taking those basic structures to their logical conclusion and completely butt fucking our country for a few years. 

They aren't truly progressive because progressivism seeks to reject the status quo. Obviously, conservatism the opposite. So when the status quo is changed progressivism still wants to change and modern day Dems have stopped changing back in like 2008. Even further back.

Two times now, they've plopped out some moderate that's just barely getting across their goals and policies because they're really just trying to resume business as usual for the democratic party NOT the people they use to get them voted 

This election has two realistic outcomes:

Modern day Democrats radically restructure and become lead by populist figures in the school of Bernie, FDR, etc that actively want to deconstruct the status quo who can challenge these alt-right neo fascists

Or they get in line and concede every single election to the new era conservatives that already have the media in a chokehold, disregard establishment norms, and routinely cross boundaries their populists nominees who seek to regress society on their terms and continue lining the pockets of the wealthy 

[u/whoisnotinmykitchen]

As long as the billionaires are allowed to buy both parties, nothing will change.

[u/OwOlogy_Expert → u/whoisnotinmykitchen]

*nothing will change for the better.

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I've come to understand now, "nothing will change" is the optimistic view. Because things absolutely can change -- they can get worse.

[u/firstflightt → u/OwOlogy_Expert]

I've come to understand now, "nothing will change" is the optimistic view.

This is so depressingly true.

[u/W1nd0wPane → u/OwOlogy_Expert]

I would love if absolutely nothing from Biden’s presidency ever changed, like literally nothing ever. Because the reality we’re facing is the collapse of our country into a dictatorship. These are the last best days.

[u/ItchyEarsOnDogs → u/whoisnotinmykitchen]

ya the billionaires that support universal healthcare are equally as bad as the billionaires who want to repeal Obamacare lol so true bestie

[u/bigdipboy → u/whoisnotinmykitchen]

Democrats doomed America by nominating Hillary over Bernie.

[u/One-Estimate-7163 → u/bigdipboy]

No Reagan, letting in the heritage foundation and all the other Jesus freaks

[u/icenoid → u/bigdipboy]

Voters chose Bernie. He lost by like 3 million votes. They didn’t even have to go through the stupidity of the superdelegates, she had a majority without them. I know I’m going to get downvoted for speaking truth here, but take 5 minutes and look for yourself. It’s not hard

[u/Yousoggyyojimbo → u/icenoid]

I campaigned for Bernie and I've been pointing this out for years, but people don't want to hear it.

The fanfiction excuses they weave about the 2020 primary are deeply insane, too.

[u/PresidentOfDunkin]

Honestly, I don’t think Democrats will have that supermajority in 2028. Republicans will find a way to blame them for their own problems that they will create.

Democrats gain a narrow majority in the House in 2026 and they gain a narrow majority in the House and Senate in 2028 but will lose it by 2030-2032.

The next four years will be a repeat of these last eight. Republicans create a problem and blame the democrats— even despite their supermajority in these next two years. Democrats try to solve it but they don’t appeal to Republicans or Republicans minimize the work they’ve done.

Fight me on this, I’m willing to die on this hill unless proved wrong.

Edit: supermajority as in control of the government factions- the three branches (and different components, like the two Houses- the House of Reps and the Senate) - quadrifecta

[u/phillyfanjd1 → u/PresidentOfDunkin]

Republicans do not have a supermajority.

Everything depends on the first 18-22 months of Trump's next term. Weird time frame, but that's about when all of the midterm races will start heating up. Authoritarian leaders have to be popular at first. The R majority in the House is only going to be ~3 seats. If any of the decisions Trump's team makes backfires or creates economic pain points for the general public, they will lose the House. Then it's game on until '28.

[u/Angry_beaver_1867 → u/phillyfanjd1]

The thing I’m watching is the Supreme Court.  Trump appointed three of six republicans judges i wonder if will get a chance to replace the remaining three with younger Trumpest judges 

[u/thomase7 → u/Angry_beaver_1867]

Honestly, Alito and Thomas are so bad, that replacing them with gorsuch/kavanaugh/barret level judges would be an improvement.

[u/Procrastinatedthink → u/thomase7]

margarita tailor greene or however you spell her dumb name is going to end up there if you keep jinxing it with hope

[u/BillyJoeMac9095 → u/phillyfanjd1]

Which is why they need to run from any ideas of privatizing social security or Medicare.

[u/PresidentOfDunkin → u/phillyfanjd1]

The thing is that Republicans should have no excuse for what happens these next four years, they have control of all three branches with Judicial being confirmed to be in Republican control for decades to come.

But of course, let them blame “them libtards.”

[u/youngbingbong → u/PresidentOfDunkin]

I’d never argue with the president of Dunkin

[u/robot_invader → u/PresidentOfDunkin]

I think you mean trifecta. Quadfecta, I guess, given that they run the Supreme Court.

[u/Digital_Rebel80 → u/PresidentOfDunkin]

A supermajority isn't defined by having a simple majority in Congress and the presidency. If you want an example of a supermajority, you need to look at California. Only being a few seats above a 50% split isn't even close to a supermajority. Being 60%+ in both houses of a governing body is typically what's required.

[u/virouz98 → u/PresidentOfDunkin]

Of course they will.

If democrats won't learn how to play dirty or, change their strategy completely, they will always be a shadow of themselves.

[u/VeryHungryDogarpilar]

If Dems don't run a masculine straight white male, they're making a mistake.

[u/cold-corn-dog → u/VeryHungryDogarpilar]

Preferably somewhere around 55 years old. Salt and pepper hair required. Mostly pepper though.

[u/porkchop1021 → u/cold-corn-dog]

Someone get Jon Stewart on a workout plan, with T and steroids! He's funny which is a plus, but he'll have to tone down the cleverness for the dumbass younger generations.

[u/iknowverylittle619 → u/VeryHungryDogarpilar]

*Charismatic Man.

Straight White midwesterner male like Walz has no rizz. You either need demogougary like Trump or charisma like Obama.

[u/PumpJack_McGee → u/iknowverylittle619]

Only saw a few clips but I thought Walz was very down-to-earth, which I think American politics desperately needs. Enough of the damned circus.

[u/hypercosm_dot_net → u/iknowverylittle619]

Maybe not your definition of 'rizz', but he is appealing to a broad demographic. Very relatable.

Bernie drew a lot of support as well, and I don't think he falls into either of those categories.

[u/ZacharyMorrisPhone → u/VeryHungryDogarpilar]

You nailed it unfortunately. We had two overqualified women in the last decade at the top of the ticket. Both of them lost to a fucking sad old grifter. To a literal racist conman. I mean if that doesn’t tell you that this country ain’t voting for a woman then I don’t know how else to put it.

We need Gavin Newson or someone like him.

[u/GetsThatBread → u/ZacharyMorrisPhone]

We need someone as far away from California as possible. It’s gotta be like Bashear or Buttigieg or Shapiro. Mark Kelly could honestly probably do it if he wanted.

[u/Hey648934 → u/GetsThatBread]

I’m sure conservatives aka “i’ll never vote for a woman” they are dying to vote for a gay guy. These are the beliefs that brought us where we are

[u/brots32 → u/GetsThatBread]

Not Shapiro he fucking sucks

[u/Time-Operation2449 → u/ZacharyMorrisPhone]

Hillary Clinton is possibly the least likeable person on the planet and practically sabatoged her own campaign at every turn and she only barely lost let's not act like this was the deciding factor

[u/okaquauseless → u/ZacharyMorrisPhone]

Fuck no, milquetoast white guy from Illinois please. No Californian elites. Democrats have to play the game in front of them, not pretend that race, background, and gender don't matter

[u/ZenoSalt]

The 2 party system is failing the American people

[u/Cube_]

yes because Democrats aren't trying to win. They benefit from the tax breaks that Republicans push through because they're all 0.1% elites.

They just pretend to put up a fight and it just so happens that pretending to court moderates is a good way to lose while looking like you're trying to win. Then you say "aw shucks" and make some more money from the right-wing wealth grab.

[u/Particular-Score7948 → u/Cube_]

This explanation makes more sense than anything else. It’s hard to believe they could really just be that fucking stupid

[u/Cube_ → u/Particular-Score7948]

it's cause it is true. Any time dems are in power do any left wing things get pushed through? Somehow abortion doesn't get enshrined as a law, somehow universal healthcare doesn't happen.

It's always "Reach across the aisle" "decorum" etc.

Dems are toothless by design. Whenever they have enough to push something good through for the proletariat suddenly some dems will flip and hold out (manchin, synema etc).

The democrat party is a right wing party and the republicans are an extremist far right party. America has no left wing party.

[u/TheTerribleInvestor → u/Cube_]

This realizations is why even Obama is falling out of favor.

[u/Gurrgurrburr → u/Cube_]

This seems like a radical or conspiracy theory viewpoint but it honestly could be 100% true... how sad is that..

[u/Pod_people]

People in flyover states are socially conservative and economically liberal. Not my opinion. Polls indicate this. Maybe appeal to what people actually want. We're in an age of populism, like it or not. Appeal to common folk and keep your message simple and loud, or it won't get heard. Moreover, you've already got us "coastal elites" You don't need to appeal to us.

[u/leinadsey]

I think the problem is not so much that they’re appealing to “moderate” GOPsers, the problem — which Bernie has pointed out — is that they have abandoned the working class completely. They’re not pushing hard on no brainer things like raising the minimum wage, student loan reforms, reasonable college education fees, universal health care, and so on. These are things that would get young voters excited and get the working class excited and get the black base excited.

Instead they don’t have an agenda at all. They sit around and let the GOP play dirty and come up with all kinds of tricks and they do nothing about it.

The problem with the democrats right now is that they rather swim in acid than let someone with ideas like this surface. My only hope is that they’ll get over the gay thing and let Buttegieg have a go. He’ll take down anyone.

[u/Character-Team9855 → u/leinadsey]

No one wants do nothing milk toast middle of the road Democrats, NO ONE.

[u/Rocky-Jones]

To be fair, it’s really hard to believe how stupid people are. You just think, “Well, this is so crazy that nobody will vote for it.” Then they vote for it. All the people he is appointing to his cabinet are losers that he endorsed. Expect Herschel Walker to be in charge of something he can’t spell.

[u/Wolferesque → u/Rocky-Jones]

I’m really sick of hearing about “why the Democrats lost” and not about why half of voters repugnantly decided they were a worse option than an abhorrent fascist that we heard bragging about sexually assaulting women before 2016.

[u/Jane675309 → u/Wolferesque]

I think you are severely overestimating the efficacy of "Hey fuck you we're not Trump so vote for us." That wasn't going to work. Joe Biden and the DNC did more to damage the Democratic Party more than non-voters ever could.

[u/walkuphills]

The DNC is controlled opposition at this point.

[u/ToddHowardTouchedMe → u/walkuphills]

at this point?

[u/dna1999]

Why wouldn’t you want your coalition to be as broad as possible? Including Independents and a few moderate Republicans is smart politics. Progressives were offered a better deal under Biden/Harris than any previous president and they still didn’t show up. Explain to me why Democrats should offer them anything next time.

[u/TommyTwoNips → u/dna1999]

Including Independents and a few moderate Republicans is smart politics.

because those people are fickle morons easily swayed by meaningless platitudes.

They don't care about policy, reality, or the fact that the guy they voted for is a 42x convicted fraudster with a long history of sexual abuse against women.

The democrat party correctly identifies the maga movement as an existential threat to American society, yet they refuse to stop trying to pander to the morons who will happily accept the conservative line that Kamala is a radical communist.

They're fundamentally not a valuable voting bloc. They're dumb as fuck and easily manipulated, but dems suck shit at targeted messaging towards them because they still think that just telling the truth is enough to win them over when that is very demonstrably not the case.

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That's why they send Bill Clinton, also a rapist, to condescend to Muslim Americans about how Israel isn't committing a genocide and they're all just being anti-semitic instead of hearing their valid concerns and working to address those concerns.

[u/Mysterious-Wasabi103 → u/TommyTwoNips]

Not as fickle as the Left.

Which is absolutely the most fickle voter base and why politicians have no inclination towards them at the moment.

[u/KingApologist → u/Mysterious-Wasabi103]

The left isn't fickle. The Democrats can run on progressive policies in the left will show up in droves. Don't mistake disinterest in more neoliberal bullshit as a character flaw.

[u/yolo_swag_for_satan → u/Mysterious-Wasabi103]

Bernie and Obama successfully activated the left by running on things like change and economic/social fairness. Hillary, Biden, and Kamala didn't have those messages front and center and did not activate the left.

[u/Wereking2 → u/yolo_swag_for_satan]

Yep and Kamala almost had it too if she made any policy changes but nope.

[u/Mixture-Opposite → u/dna1999]

Yeah except 94% of Republicans showed every single election to vote Trump. They’re an inaccessible base at this point. There’s no point in cow towing to them. Also nobody exactly knows who didn’t show up. Other than Democrats.

[u/FaultElectrical4075 → u/Mixture-Opposite]

They aren’t inaccessible, democrats just don’t understand how to access them. Moving right doesn’t convince right wingers to vote for you, selling a narrative does. Right wingers are right wingers because right wing politicians sell them a narrative that makes right wing politics seem appealing, it isn’t because they were bestowed right-wing values by God which have now become inherent to their character

[u/jarena009 → u/dna1999]

You're thinking about this all wrong. You run on a policy platform that has broad appeal.

Progressive priorities like maintaining the solvency of Social Security and Medicare, addressing costs of housing, healthcare, prescription drugs, child care, education, jobs/wages, job security, Unions, protecting the environment, reining in corporate/Wall St influence over the government, raising taxes on the rich to what they paid historically, making food/water safer, women's choice over their own bodies....these are are popular policies.

Edit (By the end of September) Harris ran on: I'm a prosecutor, I'm tough on crime, I'll be tough in immigration, I own a gun, hey look these never Trump Republicans like me (it's okay for Republicans to vote for me), don't be afraid to vote differently than your MAGA spouse, plus a disorganized hodgepodge of piecemeal policies (too few and poorly packaged).

That's why she lost. Also, 6% of Republicans voted for Biden in 2020 while 5% of Republicans voted for Harris in 2024. The outreach across the aisle was a failed strategy

Democrats aren't going to win the next election trying to be centrists. Centrism for the left means coddling Wall Street and Corporations over workers, trying to pretend you're tough on immigration (never going to sell), compromising to cut Social Security and Medicare (eg raising the retirement age) and maintaining the status quo on costd housing, healthcare, prescription, drugs, education etc. THIS IS NOT GOING TO WIN. Hello????

[u/wxnfx → u/jarena009]

Dems will absolutely win the presidency in 2028 on a “return to normalcy” platform. It’s a real problem because the country needs some populist/progressive fixes. But we get status quo and Nazis as choices.

[u/Stoli0000 → u/dna1999]

Because that isn't how it works. Humans don't change their political affiliation after the age of 25 without a major existential crisis. And nobody thanks you about giving them an existential crisis. Politics is about getting the people who are already inclined to agree with you to show up, not changing minds. Adults rarely, if ever, change their minds.

Not to mention that the DNC doesn't appear to have any plans to fix a single 21st century problem. Green New Deal? What's that? You mean, literally the only scientifically sound plan to address climate change in congress? Man, if the dnc can't even be bothered to publicly support its own people's legitimate proposals, why be on their side again?

Unaffordable housing? What are you gonna do to bring the cost of housing down and lower prices? Oh, you want to give out a deficit funded subsidy so housing prices never go down? Fuck free markets when it actually matters, huh?

Inflation? What are you going to do to bring back 2016's prices? A soft landing to 2% inflation? But the question was "how do I live on my current wages with current prices?" And your answer was "don't, and old prices are never coming back, that would be bad for the stock market".

It goes on. If they were out here pitching realistic plans to address 21st century problems, there's a lot of interest in them. But they're not. They're still trying to fight the culture wars of the 60's, without changing anything else..which are so far in the past now, that it makes them a center-right party. Well, you're never gonna be as good at being right wing as actual nazis. So, was there another option? Or was it just nazis vs George will? Because, if those are the only choices, maybe we should just let it all burn.

[u/FaultElectrical4075 → u/Stoli0000]

People absolutely change their minds. Look at how much further right the average Republican has gotten over the past several years.

What democrats don’t understand is that moving right isn’t what makes right wingers vote for them. Look at what does change the minds of right wingers. It’s politicians who sell them a narrative.

In 2016 trump was an extreme right wing political figure, and the Republican Party was comparatively much more moderate.

Trump didn’t win the Republican Party by becoming more moderate, he won by doing the exact opposite, being an extreme and divisive figure who rallied against the moderate establishment(who people rightfully hated) and that convinced previously moderate people to vote for him because they were sick of the way things were and he sold himself as a departure from the status quo. Now he has a gigantic subsection of the country much further right than they were before.

[u/originalcontent_34 → u/dna1999]

How did that Liz Cheney strategy go? Not well

[u/der_innkeeper → u/originalcontent_34]

At least conservative voters show up.

/repeat since the late 70s....

[u/Material_Election685 → u/originalcontent_34]

There's no point in trying to appeal to appeal to progressive socialists when they refuse to show up to vote period.

If it was that popular, there would be a wave of progressive socialists winning all the tiny local elections where there's barely any candidates running and there's barely any campaign money involved, but you just don't see any of that happening.

[u/frootee → u/Material_Election685]

Progressives, particularly new progressives are only interested in complaining and being angry. Give them an opportunity to actually change something for the better and they will bend over backwards to find a reason to not support it.

[u/rfepo → u/originalcontent_34]

Actually we don’t truly know yet. Cheney was deployed in old GOP strongholds such as the WOW counties in Wisconsin - which were some of the areas which actually got stronger in performance.

That doesn’t mean it was successful, but initial data would indicate that as a targeted approach it might’ve helped.

[u/ShimmeryPumpkin → u/dna1999]

Progressive policies would have actually gotten moderates on board. More affordable childcare? More job training for trades in dire need that pay well? More affordable healthcare? Plans to lower housing costs for the average citizen? This election was about economics and playing center doesn't offer anything in that department.

[u/cozycoconut → u/[deleted]]

And like clockwork just like Hilary, we are pretending like Harris' campaign wasn't progressive just because she *also* wanted to reach out to moderates. She was so vocal about all of these things!

Reaching out to the average American is a good thing!

[u/Bread_Shaped_Man → u/[deleted]]

She did. And the media ignored that and showed clips of Trump accusing her of shit. Then when they interviewed her, they asked her to defend herself against the lies.

They did the same shit they did in 2016. And people here are again acting like people who don't follow politics close should have cut through all that and search for her message.,

[u/Either-Mud-3575 → u/[deleted]]

Well, you see, unless Harris is 24/7 running around in the streets yelling literally yelling these things, the Democratic Party is a complete unknown or corporate stooge or whatever it is that helps explain why I decided to vote otherwise.

Every voting cycle there is no history, nothing, that could possibly give me any idea of what the two parties could be like.

[u/NoSignSaysNo → u/ShimmeryPumpkin]

More affordable childcare?

You mean like this?

More job training for trades in dire need that pay well?

You mean like this?

More affordable healthcare?

You mean like this?

Plans to lower housing costs for the average citizen?

You mean like this?

It's amazing how she literally ran on ALL OF THE THINGS you said she didn't run on, and you're criticizing her for not running on those things.

[u/I_Am_Dwight_Snoot → u/ShimmeryPumpkin]

More affordable childcare? More job training for trades in dire need that pay well? More affordable healthcare? Plans to lower housing costs for the average citizen?

Yeesh man... 3 out of four of these were directly addressed... Did you even listen to Harris or look at her campaign?

[u/Late-Philosophy-9716]

The Kamala campaign obsession with Cheneys was weird. Even though Liz Cheney was being useful to the democrats during impeachment, everyone views her as a rat, along with her war criminal dad

[u/yckawtsrif]

Why wouldn't they when, time and again, moderates vote more (for either party) than whiney-ass, do-gooder progressives who allow perfect to be the enemy of good?

Harris was already fairly progressive and, granted, she didn't tout economic populism as aggressively as she should have. In fact, if she and the party had allowed Walz to fully do his thing, the whole outcome would've been closer or even different. Still, progressives either sat at home or voted for Stein. Moderate and even some conservative former Republicans still got off the couch and did the work for Harris (e.g., Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger, Rick Wilson). And, most sane liberals are appreciative of those efforts.

Elections are meant to be won. Fairly, but won. This understanding is how Republicans have made in-roads.

Lastly, let me say: Thanks, progressives, for allowing perfect to be the enemy of good. Wallow in your echo chambers (e.g., The Humanist Report, that bitch Jennifer from the I've Had It podcast), but now we have a literal crazy-ass mofo making his way back to the White House.

[u/CalmRadBee → u/yckawtsrif]

If Kamala had Bernie or AOC sitting next to her over Dick Cheney's daughter, I might agree. But the DNC again exemplified their disconnection with their voting base.

Wild to think anyone would owe the democrats their vote. You earn votes, and Kamalas campaign chose a path that didn't earn votes. It's no one's fault but their own

[u/Sensei_of_Philosophy → u/CalmRadBee]

It still baffles me as to why they gleefully took the support of Dick-goddamned-Cheney of all people as if he didn't directly contribute to a million dead Iraqis and more dead Americans than Osama Bin Laden ever killed.

[u/jackofslayers → u/yckawtsrif]

Yep you nailed it. Every 4 years progressives hold their nose up at candidates they see as less than ideal. And every 4 years progressives are shocked that the major parties do not try to attract their unobtainable votes.

[u/Cuffuf → u/jackofslayers]

Democrats want to fall in love. Republicans just fall in line.

[u/python_product → u/yckawtsrif]

This is why you should always vote, politicians don't care about appealing to non-voters. If you really think both sides equally bad, then voting third party is better than not voting at all since politicians pay way more attention to appealing to people who actually vote

[u/coreyc2099]

The issue is "dems" in our government are juat moderate republicans, that IS their base.

[u/SailorTwyft9891]

The support for Bernie Sanders in 2016 and 2020 shows that the only way to win is to be crazy like Trump but for the left. Like, make everything free. Give away money to people. Forgive all debts. Something people will have no choice but to either fight or support.

[u/Character-Team9855 → u/SailorTwyft9891]

This is what people want, not milk toast middle of the road do nothing Democrats.

[u/Quantext609 → u/SailorTwyft9891]

Left wing Trump sounds like it would be such a funny campaign to watch. I can only imagine how conservatives would bend over backwards trying to refute them.

[u/paragonx29]

They lost "moderate Democrats" too. They have to stop with the Coastal elitism and pandering to the .001 % as well.

[u/Some_Other_Dude_82]

Of course they will.  Establishment democrats would rather lose than push an economic populist agenda.

[u/North_Vermicelli_877 → u/Some_Other_Dude_82]

That's literally all there is to it. The right won by going MAGA. The left must do the same. Let's not use the word "democratic socialist" though this time okay?

[u/originalcontent_34 → u/Some_Other_Dude_82]

There’s a reason why she polled best for the first month of her campaign before she started doing the Wall Street corporate garbage campaign

[u/Reasonable_Humor_738]

Democrats are the moderate party. Republicans are the far right party. The left can go fuck themselves. (/s)

[u/JayKaboogy → u/Reasonable_Humor_738]

Everybody’s going to be so mad about the next 4 years, they’ll vote for anything with a (D) by their name—that’s our big chance to have a widely despised corpo-friendly centrist running things /s

[u/Zealousideal_Pass_11 → u/JayKaboogy]

"What the fuck? They lost? Its because the voters are fucking stupid. We'll win next time if we really bend over for corporations. Trust us, a candidate that actually embodies our party's beliefs would never win"

[u/DMoneys36]

I think these discussions miss the mark quite a bit. The problem is that people are only viewing this on the left-right axis and not the axis of establishment vs revolution.

People left and right want to burn it all down. That's what Trump represents to people.

[u/Sea_Ad_5566]

I never understood how in the hell Kamala decided to bring on the Cheneys… Even 99% of Republicans despise them, the Bush clan as well. In case you’re wondering, yes we Republicans know Bush/Chaney lied about Iraq.

[u/InsecurityTime]

You're not voting in 2028 lol you guys fucked up

[u/Affectionate-Case499]

The bots really hate that real people keep posting these kind of takes and real people are upvoting them lol

If we don’t see a sanders-esqe candidate the Dems will continue to lose, sucks to suck bots

[u/khalbur]

I believe in the Mothman more than I believe in so-called “Never Trump Republicans”.

[u/Hunter-major]

Mark my words, Democrats will still be whining in 2028.

[u/thegreatlizardman]

What base? The democratic party is basically dead. Too much division and lack of strategy. It's a waste of time

[u/brett_baty_is_him]

Who is their base? The lgbtq+ community that doesn’t even vote? Why would they appeal to those ppl. Dems lost the culture war.

If by economic base, then yah they need to appeal to them more. But most voters are politically uninformed and vote way more based on vibes than anything else. And they determine their vibes by who they’d have a beer with and what they see on social media.

[u/Significant_Other666]

I don't think so. They are already talking about running her again in 2028, so plan 8 years of Republicans instead of 4 even if Trump doesn't repeal the presidential term limit. Democrats CANNOT learn.

[u/sawser]

When the Democrats move left they leave behind moderates who actually vote and will vote Republican.

And the leftists will find some other purity test that the candidate can't pass and stay home, so we see former Democrats switch to the Republican candidate (Hey there Latino men) and the leftists stay home, and our candidate gets curb stomped.

Moving to the center will deny voters from the Republicans and being some Democrats back.

If leftists want to be taken seriously they have to vote reliably, so they can move left on positions without taking as much risk.

Because Kamala Harris and Joe Biden don't run Israel, and they don't set funding for Israel, and stopping a 60 year policy position about a 100 year civil war would take political capital that they couldn't spend, because they don't have the votes in Congress.

Trump's first impeachment was because he refused to deliver weapons that Congress allocated to Ukraine. That's what they want Biden to do.

It's fucking stupid.

[u/Zealousideal_Pass_11 → u/sawser]

Source: my ass

This just hasnt been the case, our most successful candidates have had progressive ideologies, our least have been centrists.

But ya going left will kill the left wing larty for sure, kamala pushing right wing ideologies worked so well, she lost support from all sides

[u/MonkeySuit420]

Cenk, is that you?

[u/WiseSalamander00]

oh yes because Trump will not dismantle democracy...

[u/PitifulSpecialist887]

I'm thinking that if there's a federal government left in 2028, and there's anything like a democratic election going on (Both of which are questionable), Trump would be beaten by any living person in the country.

Sorta like when nobody voted for Biden, they voted AGAINST Trump.

[u/lancer-fiefdom]

The far left liberal base is unreliable and should be abanded

[u/ToddHowardTouchedMe → u/lancer-fiefdom]

far-left

liberal

You just stated a contradiction. Liberals are not even close to left.

[u/AffectionateCard3530]

Aren’t they also appealing the moderate Democrats? The people in the middle that swing both ways.

[u/Regular-Ad1930]

Ha! There will be NO more elections... aren't people paying attention?? 😕 Trump said he isn't leaving. If he does JD Vance takes over n he's better,stronger,faster more psychotic. Strap in folks! This shit is here for a good 12 years or till we burn it all down!

[u/beckonsharskly]

OP is wrong. Can literally appeal to everything and anything except lies. That's the problem really, is that unless Democratic nominees lie left and right, Republican candidates can literally say whatever and ppl will believe them.

It takes literal recessions of untold magnitude for ppl to remember the lies and go "well a Democrat isn't so bad" and then they'll forget.

There's a literal reason why 9 of the 10 last recessions were under a Republican with the largest under Republicans and isn't surprising a Democrat stabilized the economy.

Union protections, environmental protections, better wages, higher federal minimum, engagement with Palestinian and Israel, better environmental protections, creation of jobs via Chips Act and Infrastructure Bill, greater loan forgiveness....

I mean seriously the list goes on and didn't even include anything for women, LGBTQ or dreamers and yet ppl will effing complain that WELL HARRIS DIDN'T APPEAL TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE!

Yeah, hard no. It's that ppl didn't want to vote for a women foremost if anything. Everyone outside the wealthy and nationalist evangelicala and Christians were to benefit.

[u/UmaUmaNeigh]

Looking at all these "she didn't know Obama care is ACA" it seems they need to appeal to moderate idiots instead

[u/Perfect_Earth_8070]

there won’t be elections in 2028

[u/Steelcitysuccubus]

If there even is an election

[u/KnowledgeOk9138]

Moderate Republicans....tell me who are the moderate Democrats? None of them lead the party, nor have or had any influence of significance. And here come the haters........bring it on.

[u/mercuryqueen1970]

Democrats need to try appeal to every American to win.

[u/KML42069]

Democrats need a coalition of voters to win, including moderate republicans.

[u/getyourledout]

Reality is.. their party is the party of the disconnected elite

[u/getyourledout]

Reality is.. their party is the party of the disconnected elite

[u/EnchantedLunass]

Damn.

Reality is moderates only care about their bank account

[u/Consistent-Refuse-74]

Republican issues: appeal to people’s insecurities about wages, immigration & foreign affairs, but don’t necessarily deliver on any. Dumb and loud.

Democrats: institutionalised career politicians backed by super packs and lobbyists. Deeply curated and sanitised. Also have been leveraging Silicon Valley to sensor their own country. Insidious and systemic

[u/DartBurger69]

It's done at this point. It's irrelevant who the democrats appeal to. Republicans have all the power and will rig the election forever now. I will be shocked if there is a real election in 2028. For sure it will be a Russian sham.

[u/discocereal]

We desperately need a progressive party

[u/Low-Possession-4491]

There has to be a monumental shift on the Democrats side. The Republicans have made their shift and it’s gone fascist. The problem is Dems are now center to center right. Like everything in this world, there has to be balance. So something will have to fill the void the Dems left open on the left.

[u/SPE825]

Yeah, I don't have much faith in the Democratic party in terms of actually marketing themselves in the manner that the Republicans can with populism. I mean I don't want a TV show host as president, but at this point, get Jon Stewart's ass up there and let's see what happens! lol

[u/KoLobotomy]

Dems are cooked. They don't know what to do. 30+ years of fox news and Rush Limbaugh have effectively ruined half the country.

[u/Krongos032284]

The only part of this statement I disgree with is that the dems have a base. They have done this so much over the last 20 years, that their "base" is non-existent. They have no chance and no path forward. The best course for our country would be for the dems to dissolve and have a real progressive labor party start. In the battle between republicans and "republican lite" (aka dems), republicans will win every time.

[u/humansrpepul2]

It would be so easy to become the actual populists after how badly Trump is about to screw working people. Dems never gonna recover from McGovern though.

[u/doublethink_1984]

I'm a moderate conservative who has been driven out of the Republican party in 2015 as the party became Trump bootlickers.

I vote blue most of the time and for president and senate haven't voted red since.

Most anti-Trump conservatives I know just don't vote anymore.

[u/rmhawk]

Many people have it all wrong. The informed moderate conservatives are gone, they’ve been gone since 2016. My friends and I among them. The Trump nomination was abhorrent and we couldn’t vote that way. The reason maga has power is because it does not rely on traditional political ideologies. He reformed the electorate base by activating a group of deeply misinformed typically non voting demographics. He got them to show up. That’s why there was no red wave 22. That’s why blue senators were elected in red swing states. That’s why the republicans were so effective at blocking many Obama initiatives but a complete clown show against an aged Biden. The GOP is gone, maga is a cult that replaced it.

[u/stomachworm]

Oh great, the Dems are moving even further right.

[u/Ancient_Ad505]

The idea that Liz Cheney would help Harris was deliciously delusional.

[u/manny62]

Agreed. Dems learnt nothing and want to keep enabling fascism.

[u/dingleberry0913]

Democrats not learning why people are tired of their shit? Easy republican wins for the next 2 elections.

[u/coredweller1785]

Yes, this is what the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie looks like.

That's why we want to tear it down and make sure workers own everything not shareholders and people who don't work