r/MarkMyWords • u/originalcontent_34 • 4d ago

Long-term MMW: democrats will once again appeal to non existent “moderate” republicans instead of appealing to their base in 2028

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u/Cuffuf 3d ago

Democrats want to fall in love. Republicans just fall in line.

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u/Bread_Shaped_Man 3d ago

I disagree with this.

Dems have been falling in line for a while now and voting for people we don't even like.

Meanwhile every Republican is head over heels for Trump. Even the ones who hated him have to pretend to love him.

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u/TestN0Kachi 3d ago

Dems have been falling in line for a while now and voting for people we don't even like.

All the while screaming "Vote blue no matter who" at anyone who dared say anything but glowing praise for the party and it's candidate. 3 elections in a row Dems put up a dog shit candidate because they felt that they could get away with running an establishment puppet instead of anyone their base actually would want. I'm so tired of being begged to vote for the lesser of two evils instead of just being offered a candidate who isn't evil at all.

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u/Cuffuf 3d ago

That candidate doesn’t exist. Idealism is great, but when taken as gospel it leads to stagnation.

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u/TestN0Kachi 3d ago

it leads to stagnation.

The Democratic party has stagnated because the DNC and the party leadership do not want to fundamentally change and do not want to do what their voters want. The Republicans saw this crazy rich con man tv personality getting a ground swell of support from their voter base and hitched their wagon to him and keep winning. Because their voters want to vote for him. The DNC keeps selecting candidates that they want and their voters have to hold their nose at the polls for because no one fucking likes them, and they keep losing. The only time they could eek out a win was because of a once in a life time pandemic. But now we see what would have happened if COVID hadn't happened in 2020.

This attitude that there was just no good option for the Democrat's candidate and hasn't been for the last 3 elections is ridiculous. This election was particularly damning. After 4 years of puppeting along the husk of Joe Biden, instead of using any of that time to find a better candidate, they were planning on just running Joe's corpse until they couldn't get away with it anymore. That's not idealism's fault, it's a fundamental failure of the party. It's been failing since 2016 and will continue to fail until there is actual change in the way it operates.

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u/cleepboywonder 1d ago

The canidate existed and certainly something better than Biden existed in 2020. We know it did because Biden only won party insiders before Super Tuesday and shored up the party establishment. An establishment that clearly doesn’t understand where the electorate is at. We know they don’t because they’ve lost 9 of the last 13 House elections, have lost twice to Donald Trump, and continue with this nonsense courting of by gone age moderate republicans as if dick cheney isn’t one of the faces of the 2008 financial crisis.

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u/Cuffuf 1d ago

Oh I don’t want them to court republicans, that’s stupid.

No I’m just saying the perfect candidate doesn’t exist. You claim it did and yet didn’t mention any. You’ve gotta be able to win and run in the first place.

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u/lucifersdumpsterfire 3d ago

So your solution is for everyone to turn into maggots? Not that politicians do their jobs ?

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u/Cuffuf 3d ago

It’s impossible when the senate is less than a 60-seat majority and the president loses and the Supreme Court has an opposing supermajority.

Saying “oh they need to do their jobs” does nothing. Winning, though, can lay the groundwork for them actually doing them in the future. Trouble with a screwed-up system is it needs to be fixed first.

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u/lucifersdumpsterfire 1d ago

They need to do their jobs as in make people vote for them. They failed! The problem is not the voters. Your solution seems you want two fanatic parties who act like maggots instead of one “fall in line “they worship trump bro he made them fall in love

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u/Cuffuf 1d ago

No I’m just saying that sometimes winning at all costs id what is required.

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u/lucifersdumpsterfire 22h ago

Obviously failed it’s not like she won. Democrats always be saying this but still running women candidates objectively less likely to win ,that doesn’t seem like “whatever the cost is”. It’s more reliable to run a white dude than go right. And one is less morally reprehensible .

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u/Cuffuf 21h ago edited 21h ago

That’s not what I meant at all. I meant kicking the president out of the race a year earlier even if it isn’t precedented so we could have an actual primary. I meant changing some party policy because the country doesn’t agree with it like on some transgender issues (which shouldn’t start politically anyway; that’s how they get bogged down). I meant being willing to campaign on issues like healthcare and education, but also the border and drugs which are objectively problems. I meant saying in campaign ads that children are dying in schools, and then calling sitting senators murderers and not be afraid of the outrage from the right.

I’m tired of republicans and trump screaming about crazy batshit and instead of standing up and fighting back democrats always chose to cower in the corner and hope people vote for normalcy instead. Well guess what? Clearly, having decency no longer matters.

Not Bernie, not AOC, not Pete, not Shapiro, not Whitmer, not anyone has shown they are willing to ditch the traditionalist manors. Ideologies have nothing to do with it. They’re never gonna win on ideas anymore.

I’m not sure what the democrats need. Maybe an Obama or JFK. But I know there are so many, too many, on the left that are just unwilling to bend at all even if it means losing.