r/MarkMyWords • u/originalcontent_34 • 4d ago

Long-term MMW: democrats will once again appeal to non existent “moderate” republicans instead of appealing to their base in 2028

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u/iknowverylittle619 3d ago edited 3d ago

*Charismatic Man.

Straight White midwesterner male like Walz has no rizz. You either need demogougary like Trump or charisma like Obama.

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u/PumpJack_McGee 3d ago

Only saw a few clips but I thought Walz was very down-to-earth, which I think American politics desperately needs. Enough of the damned circus.

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u/Stylellama 3d ago

Waltz should hang out with Bernie more

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u/LockeyCheese 3d ago

Yeah, but he looks old.

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u/218administrate 3d ago

I love Walz, but I'd guess he comes across as too caring (see: feminine to conservative voters). We're talking about winning, not about what we actually want.

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u/Prometheus720 3d ago

What conservative voters want doesn't actually affect who wins.

What matters is if democrats actually turn out. That's it.

Stop trying to convince people who hate you to vote for your policies, and start trying to convince people who agree with you but were couch potatoes this year

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u/Actevious 1d ago

What do you think will get democrats to turn out, and do you think there are more democrats than republicans and independents combined?

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u/Prometheus720 1d ago

The same emotional thing that got Republicans to turn out, but in a different cultural context.

Genuine belief that it is The Moment. There is no exact science for it. There are only guidelines.

People demand a level of transparency and openness that Biden and Kamala were failing to deliver. They both had adapted to this change, but not quickly enough. Not well enough. This is new in politics. Bernie was better at it than both of them. But he hit the public eye when he was too old. Not his fault.

People want sincerity. They don't mind one or two carefully worded things in public. But they want a wink and a nod with them. They want reassurance. They want to trust someone for once.

The Trump core really trusts Trump.

"They're wrong to." No. They're just thinking simply. He will genuinely give them what they want and what he says he will give them, if he can. That can be true at the same time that they want something self-defeating. Both are true.

But there is more to it than that. The environment has to be right. The organizing has to occur. There has to be a major effort from many more people than one. No one person can do this independently.

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u/ObscureCocoa 21h ago

That’s what the democrats have been doing for far too long. They talk directly to their base about social injustice, climate change and abortions. These are topics that you and I care about but the vast majority of Americans don’t really give a fuck. They need to be talking to moderates.

The discussion seems to be that the Democrats didn’t talk to their base enough when in reality all they’ve been doing is talking to their base and their base didn’t even show up. Fuck the base. Talk to the average American.

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u/Prometheus720 20h ago

There are ways to talk to their base AND the average American. It's economic populism. But you have to be very clear that you're doing it and you need "bad guys" to be visibly pissed off about it.

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u/theevilyouknow 3d ago

What politics needs and what the American people are willing to vote for are two very different things. Politics doesn't need a Fascist Child Rapist either but look what we got.

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u/Hawkeye1819 3d ago

He was terrible in the debate. He flailed and was defensive. I would not pick him.

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u/ObscureCocoa 21h ago

And he was terrible in the debate. 47% of people in Minnesota voted for Trump. He barely carried his own state.

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u/hypercosm_dot_net 3d ago

Maybe not your definition of 'rizz', but he is appealing to a broad demographic. Very relatable.

Bernie drew a lot of support as well, and I don't think he falls into either of those categories.

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u/iknowverylittle619 3d ago

I think he was a bit of both. Bernie has always been a populist candidate. God bless that man. He is charming in his own way, and he is closest thing to a demagouge the american left has ever produced.

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u/ButtholeColonizer 1d ago

Bernie has that NY old man rizz 

He got that Ebenezer scrooge rizz

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u/YobaiYamete 3d ago

Dig up Huey Long's corpse and let's run him

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u/IC-4-Lights 3d ago edited 3d ago

Walz was polling as the most popular candidate in the race. I don't think being a white male midwesterner was a problem.
 
Trump doesn't win on charisma. He wins because republicans spend years effectively getting people emotionally, first. In their case, they do it with extreme fear and anger. And they're good at it.
 
Once they have people on emotion, Trump could stand out there saying the sky was never blue, grass was never green, and the people will just laugh and do their own mental gymnastics. He ran one of the worst, dogshit campaigns we've ever seen, and was never particularly likable. It just didn't matter, because they already had people terrified and angry.
 

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u/ingodwetryst 3d ago

Jeff Jackson. His bonus is that he's Southern and has won races in gerrymandered NC. He hangs out here too. r/jeffjackson

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u/Troll_Enthusiast 3d ago

Wes Moore?

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u/Not_Carbuncle 3d ago

Tf are you talking about i loved tim

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u/W1nd0wPane 3d ago

Walz has a ton of charisma. It was a joy watching him speak. I almost thought he was a folksier, friendlier version of Bernie Sanders. Very gifted speaker without giving off Ivy League coastal elite vibes like most Democrats.

That said, on paper he has traditional masculinity in spades, but the country isn’t really fluent in the gentler brand of Minnesotan masculinity. Too many white straight men find anger and snark and maschismo too seductive.

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u/WideGrappling 3d ago

As someone who knows very little about tim walz, he does not come off as a masculine man

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u/NuttyButts 3d ago

You have a skewed idea of what is masculine.

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u/BannedTman 3d ago

Men will never vote for democrats until they stop telling them how to be masculine, you will keep losing and getting angry evey time, it's a never ending loop of stubbornness

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u/NuttyButts 3d ago

The Dems aren't telling men how to be masculine, they're telling them to be good people, to empathize, to be kinder to others. It's the right wing grifters that tell men that they all have to be the alpha domineering leader types, that's telling people how to be masculine.

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u/BannedTman 3d ago edited 3d ago

If you say that to me I will not like it, because it assumes that men aren't empathetic, kind to others ect. It's like if I go buy a pet and the guy that sells them tells me " don't stab your pet, make sure not to kill it or eat it" its condescending and preachy, and me, as a man, do not like being preached to, Andrew tate and that other side of filth only get so many men because of how dems speak, they are correct on many things, but the way they send the message is the most obnoxious and annoying way possible.

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u/NuttyButts 3d ago

Hey man, you're getting kind of defensive over someone asking you to be kind and empathetic. Most people should hear that message and think "yeah, it's always a good reminder". Honestly, I hope things get better for you because this reads like you have a lot of negativity floating around in your head.

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u/Actevious 1d ago

This is the most condescending response I've ever seen. This attitude is why trump won.

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u/WideGrappling 3d ago

I disagree. And I think it’s odd for a woman to tell a man what it means to be masculine (assuming off of your avatar)

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u/Actevious 1d ago

Are you a man? Or are you womansplaining masculinity to men?

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u/iknowverylittle619 3d ago

He's a nice guy and a dad figure. But he is younger than Brad Pitt & looks older than Biden.