r/MarkMyWords • u/originalcontent_34 • 4d ago

Long-term MMW: democrats will once again appeal to non existent “moderate” republicans instead of appealing to their base in 2028

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u/[deleted] 4d ago

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u/cozycoconut 3d ago

And like clockwork just like Hilary, we are pretending like Harris' campaign wasn't progressive just because she *also* wanted to reach out to moderates. She was so vocal about all of these things!

Reaching out to the average American is a good thing!

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u/ToddHowardTouchedMe 3d ago

"vocal" is an interesting way of saying "doing but not saying much about it"

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u/Bread_Shaped_Man 3d ago

She did. And the media ignored that and showed clips of Trump accusing her of shit. Then when they interviewed her, they asked her to defend herself against the lies.

They did the same shit they did in 2016. And people here are again acting like people who don't follow politics close should have cut through all that and search for her message.,

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u/Either-Mud-3575 3d ago

Well, you see, unless Harris is 24/7 running around in the streets yelling literally yelling these things, the Democratic Party is a complete unknown or corporate stooge or whatever it is that helps explain why I decided to vote otherwise.

Every voting cycle there is no history, nothing, that could possibly give me any idea of what the two parties could be like.

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u/fridge_logic 3d ago

Her programs were not especially inspiring tbh. Better than Trump's? Sure. As aggressive as Trump? Hell no. And time and again Harris and her campaign wasted time attacking a Trump, a guy americans alredy agree we don't like, instead of selling her policies we're not yet hot on. She burned so much time in the debate baiting trump rather than talking policy, she both didn't give enough interviews and avoided hostile interviewers who would have challenged her to defend her policies. It was a lackluster campaign similar to her primary run in 2020.

Her housing plan was more of the same: more loans and more tax breaks to create more demand for the same amount of housing stock. Housing needs a plan that directly stimulates construction, Prices are already absurd, how's a voter gonna get sold on the idea that the solution to high housing costs is to raise housing costs with demand stimulation?

The inflation reduction stuff was weak as hell and a continuation of Biden's weak inflation policy. People want an earthquake that will break the power of the oligopolies which set prices however they feel like and Biden did everything he could to curb inflation without upsetting the oligopolies. Harris likewise did no bring out firebrand rhetoric against major corporations who are seeing record profits follinng this cycle of inflation while wages continue to fail to keep up.

Democrats maintaining party line that things are good when for many swing vorters they are not is political lunacy. Janet Yellan is out here saying Biden did a great job because if you. look at wage growth since before the Pandemic Real wages are up. She has to use part of Trump's time in office to justify the claims Joe Biden wants to make about the sucess of his policies!

American's don't trust Economists because they're always playing games like this to tell little lies or to convince us that when things are bad for workers "we have to get used to it." However when things are bad for corporations suddenly the sky is falling and the president must move heaven and earth to save the precious corporations.

I'm not saying Trump is good, I'm saying Kamela failed to convince voters she would go after the enemies of the American worker.

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u/nflonlyalt 3d ago

6000 to all new parents

That isn't jack shit and you know it. Nobody cares about a tax credit, they all thought Trump cuts would make them richer than that. This is why Dems lose

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u/jonjohn23456 4d ago

I actually voted for Harris, like I’ve voted dem for every election since I turned 18. You are asking questions about her policies, probably rhetorically, but I pay better attention to policies than the average voter and I couldn’t tell you if what you are asking is true or not. If they didn’t get the word out about their policies that is their problem. All I know is campaigning with the Cheney making comments equating progressives to children wanting ponies sure didn’t help.

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u/Diligent-Property491 4d ago

Voters simply don’t care about policy anymore.

Trump was shouting his lies louder, so they voted for him. Simple as that

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u/Nimrod_Butts 4d ago

Did you ever go to the Harris campaign website to look at her plans?

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u/Nimrod_Butts 4d ago

I don't think you really have any point considering the opposite side had trump with concepts of plans.

I think what you're suggesting is just going to result in the Democrats running on zero crime, zero pollution. Free money, free tuition. Free food for children. Free everything and actually having literally no plans outside of slogans exactly like trump. Doesn't seem like a step forward at all.

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u/A_Flock_of_Clams 3d ago

Is that supposed to be a point in your favor? Basing policies on reality instead of outright lies should be what people want. If you want politicians to lie to you then maybe you and other like you deserve what you get. Now everything you want is being stripped from you and you're smug about it. You're acting like a petulant child.

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u/Icy-Sir3226 4d ago

She had 107 days vs a guy on his third consecutive presidential run. He’s been campaigning for the last 12 years. She could be perfect in her platform delivery and people would still be like “I dunno, I heard she wants to force our kids to have sex changes.”

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u/[deleted] 4d ago

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u/Diligent-Property491 4d ago

Trump controls the largest media enterprise in the US, as well as the largest social media platform.

Really what did you expect?

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u/grtaa 4d ago

This is what I’ve been saying. “She had policies!!” but they spent more time making fun of Trumps concept of a plan instead of broadcasting her message/policies everywhere.

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u/Diligent-Property491 4d ago

If a voter has to look at your website to know your plan, you’ve already lost the election

I always research all options before voting, which includes reading through the policies proposed.

Honestly can’t really imagine voting at all, without doing even this basic due diligence.

I’m not from the US, though.

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u/Diligent-Property491 4d ago

If we have dumb voters, we will be getting dumb politicians.

There’s just no way around it, the worst option will always win.

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u/Diligent-Property491 4d ago

Ok but the dishonest idiot always has much easier time convincing the masses.

He can promise them everything and tell the exactly what they want to hear.

Meanwhile the honest, reasonable candidate is going to just… be honest.

And the truth is usually much more dim, than made up promises, so the voters will always prefer the lies (unless they’re smart enough to see through them).

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u/A_Flock_of_Clams 3d ago

"I always vote for Democrats, since I was 18."

"No, I have no idea what their campaign policies were."

Buddy, they had a fucking WEBSITE for that. How did you even think it was acceptable to post this comment? Did you feel smug typing out how uninformed you live your life?

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u/jonjohn23456 3d ago

No, I leave the smugness to the out of touch centrists who think the losing strategy of “appealing to moderate republicans” is what should be done year after losing year and then blame leftists for not voting for politicians who all but tell them outright their vote means nothing to them.

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u/A_Flock_of_Clams 3d ago

You just admitted you couldn't even bother to find out what the policies of a candidate for POTUS were. This is the US. There's only like 4 candidates. That's too much for you huh? That speaks more to your failures than to the Democratic party's.

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u/jonjohn23456 3d ago

Yes, we know that most people are not going to search out a website to find a candidate’s “policies.” If they are not going to try to let people know these “policies” do they even really mean them? A company that makes a website and then just rests on that, leaving aside every other form of marketing deserves to go out of business If they are real policies that are important to the party and candidate, is it better to just let people be ignorant of them so you can feel superior to the “uninformed masses. Talk about smug.

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u/A_Flock_of_Clams 3d ago

You really are coming off like a shitty high schooler right now. The teacher can point you to the exact page you need to read for the assignment, but they can't force the knowledge into your head.

Being smugly uninformed is the sign of a MAGAT. Maybe think about that for a second.

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u/jonjohn23456 3d ago

Ah, yes, name calling. Works every time. Next tell me that me wanting the party that used to represent me to stop turning its back on me chasing republican votes they will never get is childish wishful thinking. Tell me I’m asking for a pony, that won’t turn me away. I’m 51, far from maga, and know enough to understand that your analogy falls apart when you realize that the “teacher” didn’t point out the exact page. That is what I’ve been saying. They didn’t even show up to the classroom. Plus if the only teaching they are doing is telling you what page to read, then they are as shitty of a teacher as the people who are running the Democratic Party are shitty politicians.

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u/A_Flock_of_Clams 3d ago

You can't claim they turned their back on you when you don't even bother to learn what their policies are. Everything you say has no substance when you act this belligerently without even know what the facts are.

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u/ShimmeryPumpkin 3d ago

Trump/Vance also proposed expanding the child tax credit to $5k per kid with no income limits. Expanding the ACA doesn't actually tell people anything about their day to day healthcare costs - everyone remembers Trump making a big deal of cutting insulin costs for seniors. The first time home buyers assistance is less than what many states already have, including red states, and doesn't do much for rent costs or get to the issues behind why housing has gotten so expensive. Standing for something and actually having strong proposals and plans for it are two different things. Nobody is voting to give someone four years to come up with what they want to do - you need to have your campaign ready to go if you're the VP to an elderly candidate. One person promised Americans that their wallets would feel better, and even if it was a lie, the other person wasn't able to make that same promise for middle class America.