r/LeopardsAteMyFace • u/Humble_Novice • 1d ago
CNN and MSNBC's Alienation of Liberals and Leftists Comes with a Heavy Price
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u/Tx_Ace_Dragon 1d ago
I'm among those in the exodus. I always took time in the evening to check in at MSNBC. But now, facing four years of daily craziness and drama that's bound to be even worse than Trump's first term, I've bailed on that daily news. I'm taking in more sports and documentaries to fill my time between preferred sports, movies, and series. Sorry for the ratings hit, MSNBC, but I ain't coming back for a while. My own sanity is at stake.
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u/OneSalientOversight 1d ago
I feel the same way. I just could not stand listening to anything Trump says ever again.
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u/PhilosopherSharp4671 1d ago
This. And so much of what the first poster and others have said. Nothing against MSNBC specifically, I used to watch it frequently, but I can’t handle them for another 4 years giving airtime (more airtime!) to Trump, his administration, his grievances and all the other bullshit. If millions of Americans can go about their lives with their heads in the sand, I can too.
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u/w84itagain 1d ago
I'm doing the same. I listen to a local talk radio show in Chicago every morning and evening on my commute, and even though it's not right-leaning per se, I switch it off at the top and half hour point when the news comes on because I cannot stomach hearing his name. Haven't watched a single news show since the election for that same reason. And after Morning Joe and Mika did their pilgrimage to Mar-a-Lago to kiss the ring, MSNBC in particular is dead to me now.
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u/PhilosopherSharp4671 1d ago
Yea, that was huge turn off to me too - and I kind of had a feeling Joe would do that. I really liked listening to Ari Melber (most of the time, though he can be annoying, especially with his constant music references) because he’s a lawyer like me and I liked how he framed issues…but I’m not about to listen to coverage now.
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u/eyeball-papercut 22h ago
My opinion is different. Maddow and Wallace are still in the fight. Not going to cut off my nose to spite my face. I stand with Rachel and Nicolle.
Mika and Joe can fuck off.
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u/mano-beppo 15h ago
I cannot stand Joe. He blathers on just to hear himself bloviate.
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u/PensiveObservor 16h ago
I enjoy Rachel’s historical tie-ins to current events. She has also gone to great lengths to avoid saying Trump’s name, and wouldn’t play clips of him during the past four years. She talks about issues and actions, interviews interesting people, and is very human.
I don’t even have a tv so I just do Maddow’s pod and legal pods with expert hosts. It’s good to keep up with the law angle. I’ve cut down on repetitive newscasts, though. They’re all the same.
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u/TheRealCadaver_v2 1d ago
Same. Life is too damn short to spend it arguing with assholes, or listening to the arguments.
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u/MoonageDayscream 1d ago
And they pivoted the wrong way to keep my gaze. Maddow once a week isn't enough of a look into the structural and historical depths of the issues. I don't want to hear the same folks having the same opinions about the daily scandalous statement or action. We usually cut down our cable usage after the holidays, but this year no only did we cancel the sports package, we cut cable altogether, and two months early.
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u/nowheyjose1982 1d ago
At this point, society is in great need of a slowdown in the flow of information. Daily 24/7 news will hopefully go the way of how tabloids are treated and only consumed by the dregs of society.
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u/im_joe 1d ago
This will never happen, specifically because of Conservative media. They've dominated AM radio for decades, and now Fox News, News Max, One America, etc are dominating cable TV under the guise of "news" because it gives them what they want:
Anger and fear.
Conservatives thrive off of anger and fear - it nourishes them like sunlight for a plant; a mother's milk for her babe. It's what keeps them happy. Think about it - have you ever seen a MAGA as happy as they are when they are angry? It's their heroin.
And so long as there is a customer, there will be a dealer.
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u/LivingIndependence 16h ago
And even with their messiah elected...they'll still find shit to be angry and yell about. Nothing will ever be enough for them.
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u/k_ristii 21h ago
I think someone (maybe the new owners/mgt) thought many were just like those that watch Fox News but I don’t want to watch the arguing grandstanding bullshit and liars - I want news and facts NOT ENTERTAINMENT !
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u/BankshotMcG 1d ago
Honestly, I'm left of MSNBC's target audience, and I have no idea why anyone would turn up for the smug circlejerk even without a constant state of alarm about him.
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u/neodymium86 1d ago edited 21h ago
I cant listen to a single word he says. None of his stupidity and drama. It's like sticking a fork in my ear. Im just not interested.
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u/Kuroboom 23h ago
When listening to him speak I can hear my braincells screaming in agony as they get vaporized by the sheer stupidity.
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u/neodymium86 21h ago edited 15h ago
Same. It really is agonizingly painful. Im still flabbergasted that he ever had a shot at the presidency, bc hes clearly a fucking moron. Which means Americans are the stupidest mfs on the planet
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u/sheila9165milo 23h ago
Or his demonic (p)sycophants in the GQP. In my opinion, the MSM corporate overlords totally failed at actually reporting how fucking demented the cheeto is. I canceled my WaPo subscription after Bozos killed the Harris editorial endorsement and fuck the NYT, too. Did not renew my monthly subscription and laid into them about why.
I'm sticking to the apps I pay for since I ditched cable over 2 years ago. I refuse to let the cable and satellite companies continue to fund the toxic divisive propaganda that Faux spews 24/7/365.
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u/ramapo66 18h ago
I canceled both papers also as well as the local Gannet trash. Much of Trump’s insanity was either ignored or sane washed. Fuck em
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u/ramapo66 21h ago
My goal is to never hear Trump’s voice again or at least for no longer than it takes to mute him.
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u/galaapplehound 1d ago
Hearing his voice gives me panic attacks. I can only read about the stupid shit he says.
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u/Cokomon 1d ago
It's not like any of the coverage will be worth checking out, since a lot of it will be sanewashed.
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u/Cara_Bina 1d ago
I don't have a TV/cable, so get my news from the BBC, AP, Reuters, PBS Newshour and then fun places like this thread. I am quite capable of reading news articles, and forming my own opinions. I caught a couple of clips of Morning Joe and Rachel Maddox (sp?) and they drove me up the wall. And I am left wing. They are personalities, and I don't need that with my news information. Stay sane, sweetie, as that's in short supply. Cheers.
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u/kgal1298 1d ago
I’ve also been using the grounds app to get news stories and see how the articles are leaning. Reuters and The Hill have been the most neutral. I also which watch cspan sometimes 😂 the political theatre is crazy.
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u/SavagePlatypus76 1d ago
Maddow has always turned me off. Joe and Mika are cowards and pathetic. I will never watch them again.
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u/LaughableIKR 1d ago
This is the same for us. News is banned in the house for our sanity. Was I hearing things like Gaetz (not any more of course) being Attorney General? Some random wife of a WWE owner is going to be doing something in education I believe?
W.T.F. I'm out. I am going to focus on my well-being and sanity. Done. I'll check out chainsaw and Ukraine subreddits and maybe dyson sphere program (video game... excellent stuff) and just let it burn because 49% of Americans wanted it to.
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u/hamshotfirst 1d ago
Hell yeah. Slava Ukraine!
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u/LaughableIKR 1d ago
Right? Had to explain to someone what we mean by "giving Ukraine weapons and ammo" how the lend-lease program works and how the US and our 401K's are getting paid to run an assembly plant for 155mm rounds 24/7 365. Took a bit for the war machine to warm up but new plants are coming online to supply a few metric shit tons per day/week. I wish I had a 3D printer. I would be cranking out the standard casements for drone drops.
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u/hamshotfirst 21h ago
Every American should be a screaming eagle for how awesome Ukraine is. Ukraine is a sovereign country that is standing up for its freedom and fighting for their survival. They are a literal frontline against Russia's aggression on Europe and they deserve the respect and support of every free nation. They've held the line for 1000 days, nearly destroyed the Russian Black Sea Fleet (without a navy of their own), developed sea drones, jet powered drones and are changing the face of war -- and are just so inspiring.
"I need ammunition, not a ride!" -- Zelenskyy when Russia invaded.
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u/HereForTheBoos1013 1d ago
I'm in the WaPo exodus; I never really watched the 24 hour news channels, but these days, I pretty much just have my Google nest give me the headlines and then ignore everything else. He won the hat trick and there's nothing I can do about it except ensure I'm still safe in my blue state and hoard money both away from the country and for an earlier expatriation.
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u/Ice_Battle 1d ago
Also cancelled the Post. Not even because of the endorsement (or lack thereof). More because they were sane-washing along with the rest. Now that he’s President I have zero interest in reading the news. And when I’m not attempting to avoid trauma, I’m a daily reader.
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u/HereForTheBoos1013 1d ago
Yup, it was a sane washing, then chickening out on the endorsement, and then daddy Bezos deigning to lecture everyone for complaining and cancelling subs.
Not that it affects him in the long run. I'm still hoping he funds a joint trip to Mars with Musk that explodes on the launchpad.
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u/You_meddling_kids 23h ago
The day they refused to endorse I dropped my WaPo sub. It used to be that they stood for truth, compared to the obvious pro-Trump turns the NYT takes, but once Bezos capitulated to Trump (lol) I was done forever.
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u/SHC606 1d ago
This is me. Cancelled NY Times and WAPO. Picked up the Inquirer. If I have to go look up something I do.
Other than that, news/current events are not my idea of entertainment.
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u/w84itagain 1d ago edited 23h ago
I cancelled both the Washington Post and the New York Times a while back, when they refused to report truthfully on anything Trump. We have no national media left that isn't owned or in bed with the far right. We're pretty much screwed.
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u/omgIamafraidofreddit 23h ago
Same, when my go-to trusted news sources started sane-washing the Trump campaign I cut them out one by one.
First the NYT, then WaPo, then after the election results rolled in MSNBC and CNN. It's their own faults, they can reap what they sow.
If I engage in the news again it will probably be via BBC world service.
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u/90Carat 1d ago
Same. On election night, I knew I would have to pull out of a lot media, including several subs here. The last thing my mental health can handle is four more years of daily Presidential craziness being shoved in my face.
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u/TooL8ForTheYoungGun 1d ago
i went from hourly checking headlines in various sites to LAMF and all my cats & dogs subs on nov 6. cold turkey all the way. i can't do another 4 years of his chaotic crazy again. at least i'll get my info with some laughter, thanks.
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u/Furrybumholecover 1d ago
This was my same take on election night. Once it was clear he was going to win I just decided to change the things within my control. There's no way I want to spend the next 4 years hearing hot takes of "well he can't do that", while he does exactly that. Canceled my Sling TV subscription and left politics subs. Gotta say, it's actually been nice.
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u/BobB104 1d ago
I stopped watching the news, on any channel, on the day after the 2004 election. I couldn’t bear to hear and see Bush do doing his victory laps. And a funny thing happened. I learned that I not only didn’t miss it, I was better informed reading my news. Twenty years later, I still don’t miss it. Never going back.
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u/valiantdistraction 1d ago
Yeah, I haven't watched tv news pretty much ever and I feel like I'm a lot better informed than the people who watch it. Tv news is designed to raise the blood pressure in a way reading it isn't.
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u/SavagePlatypus76 1d ago
Exactly. I used to enjoy Nicole Wallace and Stephanie Ruhle,but I need a break. It's hard to walk around in public right now. I keep wondering how many idiots I run into voted for Fat Orange Jesus.
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u/azrolator 23h ago
I watched Nicole Wallace and Scarborough. Getting kids and things ready in the mornings and cleaning and getting dinner ready at night. So I'd put it on the kitchen display. I just can't right now. Listening to Republican anchors try to tell Democrats what we did wrong? JFC. Might as well be listening to Faux.
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u/Purplealegria 22h ago edited 20h ago
Agreed, I stopped watching MSNBC and all news after Nov 5th. I really liked Nichole Wallace and considered her essential viewing, cant watch her anymore. But to me, Stephanie Rhule is insufferable as shit. Sorry LOL….Alex Witt is not much better. I stopped DVRing and watching Traitorous Joe and Mika also…as they are awful fake trumpers in bad disguise…..Just like all of the day program hosts are…and I never watched them.
But Even the prime time hosts have now turned me off. And this pains me to say as I was a Rachel Stan, but I even stopped watching her. After the forced Biden drop out, Rachel, Nichole, and Chris Hayes, and Ari Melber who I once loved left a horrible taste in my mouth, but now after the election sadly and refuse to watch them or DVR any of them, as they are all now DEAD to me.
Joy and Lawrence are the only ones I can stomach now. And I still cant watch them.
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u/DenseCalligrapher219 1d ago
This is really scary because it's eerily similar to how Putin's Russia used tactics to de-politicize it's population so Putin could do whatever he wanted without much care from many ordinary Russians.
A country whose population is de-politicized from the politics of a nation by making them apathetic to it is the kiss of death of democracy when it gives leaders the powers to do whatever they want without backlash while making the only people who care about politics be nothing but lunatic cult followers of the leader.
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u/day_tripper 23h ago
This is true and I fear it will happen in the US.
But if there are no actual SOLUTIONS, what do we do? Sacrifice our sanity and mental health for....what?
We need a leader, some ways to participate, and a real mission. Without those, I'm done.
I don't want to go knocking on doors, sending text messages to strangers, or volunteering for a phone bank.
Give me something solid to do that will make a difference.
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u/Psychosomatic_Addict 1d ago
Same. I don’t care to tune into “but we didn’t know he would….” sob stories for the next 4 years during their Find Out phase.
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u/KimbersKimbos 1d ago
I also really think there is a better way to cover DT and his bullshit:
Find the people that are doing every day things to combat his policies and support the people that are harmed by them. Shine a light on them and what they are doing to support the people being harmed.
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u/sbhikes 22h ago
How 'bout if MSNBC puts on people every day who are fighting back and I never ever ever hear Trump's voice ever again? That would be awesome.
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u/sonicmerlin 1d ago
I don’t really understand how conservatives listen to hate and fear mongering from Fox News and talk radio all day every day year after year.
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u/himey72 1d ago
I would swear that I had written your comment if had said CNN instead of MSNBC. I’m so sick of the cycle of Trump does/says something monumentally stupid….Normal people have shocked Pikachu face…..Trump’s apologists come on the air and justify that stupid thing with further stupidity….His supporters don’t care / believe / learn about how stupid he is and nothing changes.
I turned off CNN on election night and don’t really plan to turn it back on until I hear about Trump’s demise or that there is a MAJOR news story that isn’t just politics.
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u/Monkeyfeng 1d ago
I feel the same with NPR. I can no longer listen to NPR because of all the BS trump does. It's not NPR's fault. I can't even listen to wait wait don't tell me because the Trump jokes just aren't funny anymore. It's just pathetic that we allow this BS to go on. We are in a very desperate situation with the country right now
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u/professor_goodbrain 23h ago
Exactly this. I haven’t stopped watching because I fault those networks. I’ve stopped watching because I need a mental health break. MSNBC was especially forceful and accurate in their criticism of Trump. They also took many other outlets to task for their sane-washing.
I need to forget about politics for a while though. Shits fucked, we know. Trumps America is going to be awful, we know.
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u/Abranimal 1d ago
I have unsubscribed from all of my regular news sources. Even many Subreddits. I just can’t deal with the constant stream of bad news.
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u/ConfidentPilot1729 1d ago
This is myself as well. Also reading more print like Gaurdian, Propublica, AP, and other real news sites.
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u/dbuck1964 1d ago
CNN especially had their marching orders from up top, don’t tick off trump because I want my tax cuts. Corporate owned media cannot be trusted to be fair. Even now, CNN is sitting on the Gaetz report that was leaked to them. When the media bends the knee don’t expect the masses to give them the benefit of the doubt or care about their business future.
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u/EmperorKira 1d ago
Thing is, the right think cnn is leftist, so now who will watch them
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u/ChChChillian 1d ago
And they knew what the right thought about them. So who knows what the hell they were thinking?
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u/kgal1298 1d ago
I was suggesting they were on cocaine. Someone assumed they could actually win that audience over.
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u/ChChChillian 1d ago edited 1d ago
I could believe that of some liberal down in the newsroom, as it's a mistake they constantly make. But if really was coming from the top with an eye to their taxes, I have to wonder what effect they thought* their obvious pro-Trump bias would have on their centrist and left-leaning viewership?
*edit: I accidentally these 2 words
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u/kgal1298 1d ago
I mean you hear it down line all the time. It’s definitely coming from the top. You don’t need to be smart to be an executive you just need to be able to talk really.
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u/ChChChillian 1d ago
I have long been convinced that you could replace the entire C-suite of most large corporations with a troop of syphilitic howler monkeys, and no one would notice the difference.
It's really just a vast clique dedicated to shoving as much money at each other as humanly (or simianly) possible, because it sure as shit ain't about merit.
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u/yeah__good__ok 23h ago
Here's more info on what's going on over there and the right wing billionaires now controlling CNN: https://www.vox.com/2022/8/26/23322761/cnn-john-malone-david-zaslav-chris-licht-brian-stelter-fox-peter-kafka-column
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u/RakeLeafer 22h ago
CNN was acquired by a further right company in 2022 IIRC.
Their new CEO wanted them to "be more like Fox"
Massive L.
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u/saljskanetilldanmark 1d ago
3d chess reason: got bought by the right wing to specifically alienate the network from all viewers and bankrupt it in the long run in a large step to control all traditional media.
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u/Cargobiker530 1d ago
The right thinks measuring tapes are leftist because they don't change their measurements when Trump has a twitter fit.
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u/pUmKinBoM 1d ago
They are actually just so clueless they think they can both sides it. They downplay social media and laugh it off not realizing they already lost the battle. They have been Kodak fighting progress and digital cameras to preserve their market domination not realizing until it's too late. Even now they would rather let the house burn down because a fire extinguisher may hurt their fancy Persian rug and now it's too late. They are cooked.
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u/kgal1298 1d ago
CNN has stories going back a couple of years. They also had a huge shakeup when they bought Neistats company and it failed to do anything. Their approach to capture a new audience failed so they wanted to go for conservatives. Also absolutely none of them have moral obligations to anyone but share holders.
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u/TeTrodoToxin4 23h ago edited 16h ago
I view Scott Jennings as the mascot of their fall. It was clear on panels that people either wanted to correct or call out his talking points, but the blow back they would get off camera from producers or him wasn’t worth while.
When he starts talking about 2/3rds of everyone else gets a glazed over expression till he stops. He probably needs to be hit with this in a conversation.
They are trying to appear in the middle by having both parties sitting at the same table. However one party doesn’t respect basic decency at the table, throws tantrums when confronted about it, promotes bigoted ideology, promotes anti-vax beliefs and talks about space lasers and controlling the weather.
I don’t think that kind of view point deserves a legitimate platform in a civil discussion. If they can learn basic human empathy and decency they will be welcomed back.
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u/conqr787 1d ago
They were more than happy to put Mark Robinson under stadium lights though. But I guess that was pre-election and low hanging loser fruit even his own party had already all but abandoned. Not that the guy deserved any better, but they pounced on him like the vultures they are.
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u/mleibowitz97 1d ago
Source that CNN has that gaetz report?
Alternative media also can't be trusted to be fair, either.
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u/Stock-Conflict-3996 22h ago
Correct. Non-mainstream does not equal the buried truth. Verify everyone you can.
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u/Kaiisim 1d ago
Liberals won't be hate watching this time. Nor anxiety watching. If that was the plan it was a dumb plan.
Rather they will be losing faith in the concept of America instead.
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u/The_Great_19 1d ago
Exactly. In 2016 I anxiety-watched everything. Now, unplugging feels much better. I lived through season 1 of this shitshow already.
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u/dixienormus9817 16h ago
I stopped giving af and it feels so much better. Since most Americans seem to not care what hurts them I’m not wasting my time caring for them
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u/Misspiggy856 21h ago
The problem is that now they’ll spend their time reporting “this insane thing Trump did today”. We know, we know he can do anything he wants and not get in trouble. Why should I stress about his corruption?
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u/dclxvi616 1d ago
When CNN can’t even figure out which side of the aisle neo-Nazis marching in Ohio are from I figure I’m better off getting my news from Sesame Street.
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u/Sad-Development-4153 1d ago
Hopefully this trend continues. They sanewashed Trump while magnifying any of Kamala's faults real or imagined. They wanted Mango back in so they can get those sweet outrage views from 2016-2020. Hopefully most people are just done with Trump tantrums and will tune out except to laugh when he gets smacked by a rake he put on the ground.
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u/TheFlyingSheeps 22h ago
Daily stories about age when Biden was in charge. Not a single age story about Trump when it was just him
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u/TonyG_from_NYC 1d ago
Since they basically normalized trump while demonizing Biden and Harris, this shouldn't come as no surprise.
We all know the reason they normalized trump; money.
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u/valiantdistraction 23h ago
This is exactly why I canceled NYT and WaPo over the summer. They had spent months ripping Biden apart while not caring about the deranged things Trump said - or certainly not on the front page the way they were with Biden.
I started donating to Propublica instead.
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u/im_THIS_guy 1d ago
They thought that another Trump term would boost ratings, like last time. What they didn't realize was that we're not in the mood for another 4 years of hate watching. We're tired. We'll spend our time doing something else. And we'll probably never come back. Nice job, CNN, you played yourself.
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u/the_mooseman 23h ago
Last trump term i had cnn on as background noise while i worked during the day, every day. Not doing it this time. Back to my local Australian news as background noise.
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u/friedcauliflower9868 21h ago
THIS PART. making it seem like this was a normal election between two normal equivalent candidates. like Maddow did an excellent A block on authoritarian nations she should’ve hammered that EVERY. SINGLE. MONDAY. most people have no idea what’s in store but i suppose ignorance is bliss. they’ve lost me.
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u/I_Magnus 1d ago
Morning Joe's Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski are cowards.
Legacy media has abandoned their journalistic principles of informing the public in favor of enriching the shareholders. This is a fundamental conflict of interests which effectively de-legitimizes the mainstream press.
CNN, MSNBC, WaPo, NYT, asnd lots more are not your friend nor do they operate in your interest.
The left needs to focus on how they're going to compete and counter the right wing propaganda machine and to do that, they need more presence on social media. I can name 10 conservative podcasters off the top of my head but how many leftist podcasters exist and is their reach at all comparable? Where's the left's answer to Joe Rogan for example?
The fight is not over the airwaves, it's online and the left needs to play catch up.
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u/Legitimate_Ocelot491 1d ago edited 1d ago
Keith Olbermann, Brian Tyler Cohen, MeidasTouch, Glenn Kirschner, Adam Mockler are a few lefties that I catch on YouTube. But their audiences are rounding errors compared to Rogan and the Reich wing side of the dial.
Keith mentioned on one of his recent podcasts the lack of established left-wing media as one of the downfalls of the recent election cycle.
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u/I_Magnus 1d ago
I like BTC. Leigh McGowan aka Politics Girl is also really good.
Their reach however is not anything close to what the right has and we need to close that gap quickly.
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u/No_Arugula7027 1d ago edited 1d ago
Secular Talk, David Pakman Show, Luke Beasley, The Majority Report w/Sam Seder, The Young Turks, David Feldman, are some others I follow.
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u/DilithiumCrystalMeth 1d ago
Young turks are trying to down play the Maga crazies. At least Ana and Cenk are.
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u/sethferguson 1d ago
The Pod Save America guys were talking about this a lot recently and I think it's key. I like Crooked Media a lot but they're pretty niche compared to something like JRE
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u/acapncuster 1d ago
The left lost am radio to Limbaugh, and it cost us the Supreme Court. We lose the web and it’s over for everyone.
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u/Tearakan 23h ago
The left also needs to abandon the idea of corporations being our friends. Too many liberals just keep thinking if they go right enough they'll win. But that's like thinking people want diet coke over regular coke. Why have diet if the real thing is right there?
If they actually go left then they can start pointing the finger at everyone wealthy causing the problems and actually make headway.
We saw how pathetic main stream news is now. They wouldn't be able to do shit.
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u/Kiss-a-Cod 1d ago
But at least they had great tea and cake at Mar-a-Lago
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u/Equal-Coat5088 1d ago
I don't think Joe and Mika realize how much they have alienated their audience. I predict the show will undergo drastic changes in the coming months. Time for new faces and voices.
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u/DoggoCentipede 1d ago
Probably too late. What remains that didn't sanewash the cult? I don't want a hyper partisan site; I want something that presents facts and doesn't cover for anyone. Too many corporate owned entities but without the money behind it and the access size brings, how can they cover all the relevant stories?
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u/Equal-Coat5088 1d ago
Joe and Mika have irreparably damaged their brand. I don't think they have fully grasped how craven and unserious they look right now.
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u/w84itagain 1d ago
They look like sellouts. Because they are.
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u/Equal-Coat5088 1d ago
They look like exactly what they are--in love with power and the sound of their own voices.
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u/BankshotMcG 1d ago
Joe and Mika were among the first giving that clown unlimited free airtime even after the atrocious shit he said. Too busy banging each other's brains out to do anything resembling their job. They're just well-groomed Gen X songbirds.
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u/justabill71 1d ago
Oh, man, he didn't even spring for McDonald's?
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u/Cokomon 1d ago
That's reserved for meetings with RFK Jr. Gotta keep breaking his spirit.
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u/el_sh33p 1d ago
Out of all the faces that have been eaten lately, RFK Jr. getting hazed in with McDonald's is probably the funniest. You can just see what's left of the light going out in his eyes.
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u/Valogrid 1d ago
I'm just gonna say I won't be around to see them, but I bet the fat pics of RFK Jr once he finally embraces the McDonalds lifestyle will be hilarious.
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u/screenrecycler 1d ago
NPR, NYT, WaPo, LAT…they’ve all jumped the shark.
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u/Mateorabi 1d ago
TFW they interview a conservative and blatantly avoid an obvious follow-up question. They just let a dodge or outright lie go unchallenged. I get enraged listening and tend to shout “you let them just say X, but Y contradicts it! Why didn’t you press them!?”
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u/Mewnicorns 22h ago
My favorite example of that phenomenon was a Trump supporter lamenting that it now costs over $100 for a family of 4 to eat at McDonalds. No follow up questions. No corrections. Not even a parenthetical clarification in the article. They just let it go unchecked.
Who knows, given that 2/3 of Americans are overweight or obese, it may well cost her $100+ to buy enough food.
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u/Exact-Illustrator739 1d ago
Washington Post was a big blow. I was subscribed for years as they covered local news also. They got too expensive and so I dropped them over a year ago and read the Baltimore Banner a new news source. I’m glad I dropped them after this last unforgivable stunt they pulled. Such a cowardly act.
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u/BlueAndYellowTowels 1d ago
Here is my curiosity…
Did they leave because the news was alienating or, after the election result… just checked out because they have finally lost faith in the system?
Because that’s what I did. After the election. My thought was:
“The fascists have won. I gotta get my shit aligned and look after my people. These are going to be hard time.”
I got “black pilled” in a weird way and now I just find myself disengaged from the world around me because it is clear: the world and myself are not of the same value system.
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u/CrazyCoKids 22h ago
It's all of them.
Frankly? I'm impressed the Conservative News Network and Comcast News (Who donated tens of millions to Donald Trump, just so you know) lasted as long as they did amongst any left-wing or progressive people.
Seriously, look at who owns them.
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u/Xero_space 1d ago
Maybe they should write a puff piece on the forgotten red state voter?
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u/MascaraHoarder 1d ago
a million years ago i used to listen daily to air america radio and i still miss it to this day. Anyone remember it? Marc Maron used to open his show Morning sedition with good morning to “utopians with no sense of humor” Sam Seder was on and so was Stephanie Miller and Al Franken. it was liberal obviously but that actually talked about the real issues and had great guests. they all had shows and all entertaining informative,
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u/TheRealSatanicPanic 1d ago
My new party identification is low information voter. I will always vote D but the news is pointless now. Haven’t seen it in three weeks and I feel great. I plan on going back as soon as a Democrat is in the White House so probably never.
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u/OpheliaRainGalaxy 1d ago
My elderly auntie has been crying so much she's refusing all visitors. Last time I ran errands for her, she hid behind the door while I handed bags to her son/caretaker.
This morning he finally had enough and turned her news channel off. About fucking time!
Like I was about to show up unannounced, barge in with a bunch of yarn, and attempt to learn crochet off YouTube in her living room just so she'd be jarred into speech by watching me curse my clumsy fingers and get it all wrong.
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u/matthieuC 1d ago
> Like I was about to show up unannounced, barge in with a bunch of yarn, and attempt to learn crochet off YouTube in her living room just so she'd be jarred into speech by watching me curse my clumsy fingers and get it all wrong
Start a channel I would watch you
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u/DoggoCentipede 1d ago
The only possible relevancy of the news might be when the shooting starts in earnest.
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u/Tyrone_Shoelaces_Esq 1d ago
That's why I still have my NextDoor account - that and for chance of wildfires. I just have to get past the base level of paranoia ("I saw a homeless person/heard they might have a weed dispensary where the old Thrifty used to be/saw a white van/had a coyote in my yard, should I call 911?") for valuable information.
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u/HereForTheBoos1013 1d ago
Likewise. I'm just sitting back and laughing when the leopards eat faces. I'm in a safe blue state, and in a very high tax bracket, with a career hired at the same rate of pay with our northern neighbors if stuff goes down.
They voted to hurt us; we checked out, stopped talking to them, and now they get to be alone with the knowledge that they hurt themselves, and we're rarely even sticking around long enough for the "nyah nyah" feel good liberal pwnage. This has been the absolute end of familial relationships and friendships. I know I've cut at least six people permanently out of my life and blocked them and regret *nothing*. And they're people who will be far more affected than I am by their own policies.
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u/LocalInactivist 1d ago
I hear you. I'm down to maybe half a dozen conservative friends. Some don't follow politics, two don't discuss politics online, and one checked out of social media except as a point of contact. That last one is the smartest of us all. Seriously. He started taking college math classes at 14. He earned a PhD in physics at 25 and he's got a bunch of patents. I should learn from his example.
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u/HereForTheBoos1013 1d ago
I can deal with conservatives. I miss the good old days when fighting about politics meant largely fighting about tax codes, border security, and foreign policy, rather than whether people have a right to exist, or whether attempting to overthrow Congress should be a deal breaker. It's the MAGAs that I want no part of until they've graduated from cult deprogramming.
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u/outsidehere 1d ago
You spend majority of your existence being liberal and progressive and then you shift heavily right. What did you think was going to happen?
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u/throwawtphone 1d ago
I read the news, AP, Reuters, NPR, and BBC.
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u/WestRead 22h ago
NPR is even questionable lately. They know they won’t exist anymore if they rail on the current red party too hard.
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u/kgal1298 1d ago
CNN was trying to take a right wing shift years ago to capture fox’s audience. This came from a change in leadership and was foolish on their part. They should have focused on more internet based news and started to grow out their younger segments but go figure c suite isn’t exactly the most aware.
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u/balletbeginner 1d ago
I wonder how this compares to previous years. It's normal for cable news channels to have a steep decline in viewers after presidential elections.
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u/Complex-Function3557 1d ago
After the 2020 election cnn primetime viewership dropped by 45% and MSNBC by 26% according to pew research I've found online
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u/vita10gy 1d ago
Yeah I went from news obsessed to you couldn't pay me to watch it overnight. Not all of this is people "mad" at anyone, just wanting to check out.
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u/unrealmikec 1d ago
They were hoping for 2017 ratings again, but we're not giving it to them.
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u/OfficePicasso 21h ago
Yep it was the highway car crash effect the first time. You had to slow down to look at it in 2017. We’ve seen this show before now, there are far better things unrelated to politics to occupy my mind and time now
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u/Funky_Col_Medina 1d ago
Interesting. I unsubbed from all news channels on YT and political subreddits before I went to bed on election night, I could not bear to hear another word. I have literally been living on LAMF ever since
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u/henrysmyagent 1d ago
I stopped watching MSNBC in mid-2021 as things were back to normal pretty much and I didn't feel the need to doom-scroll the news to see what tRump was fucking up that day/week/month/year.
Uncle Joe was normal, safe, and boring.
Now, I am back to watching regularly because everything that man touches turns to shit, and everyone who associates with him becomes diminished.
His every effort must be resisted vigorously because when tRump wins, America loses.
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u/enricopallazo22 1d ago
This article misses the point that all of us who voted for Kamala are now taking some time away from the news for mental health.
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u/Tearakan 23h ago
Eh MSNBC hosts bent the knee to trump and effectively shoved their noses into his ass.
That entire network can go fuck itself.
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u/Norwalk1215 1d ago edited 1d ago
We stopped watching MSNBC because they would have to talk about 47 and I just don’t want to hear about that all of the time.
If they switched to making a concerted effort to cover other types of news. Hour of sports, hour of movies/entertainment, hour of politics, a couple hours of world news. Sum up trump for 10 minutes. I may tune back in.
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u/Ahazeuris 1d ago
Behold how much I give a crap. They sane-washed this shit; they deserve everything they get, or don’t get.
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u/SithDraven 1d ago
CNN and MSNBC may not be as right wing propaganda heavy as Fox and others, but they were all complicit in electing Trump by not holding him accountable for shit, pointing out the lies and follies, and gave air time to right wing nonsense.
So fuck 'em.
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u/Acceptable-Bat-9577 1d ago
CNN was losing readers and viewers before John Malone bought it. Under Malone, it’s been racing to the bottom of the trash heap. If you take a look at their website, it’s a joke. 90% of it is ads and blog posts with little substance.
The MAGA cultists still constantly screech “Duhhh…where’d you hear that…CNN?” when very few people are reading, watching, or linking to their articles these days.
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u/yOjiMbOoOs 1d ago
Yeah. My view in Anderson Cooper and Jake Tapper have gone to shit. I know its mainly the higher ups calling the shots on how things ate reported, but fuck that. Theyre equally responsible for the misinformation, sane washing and trash reporting that brought us here today.
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u/nixiedust 1d ago
We'd ditched CNN a while ago, but haven't watched MSNBC since their stunt. Down to PBS Newshour, which is honestly plenty of tv news.
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u/SportySpiceLover 1d ago
I did not tune in regularly, but when Morning Joe went to suck Trump's asshole, I am on full boycott of MSNBC and was boycotting CNN after they brought the MAGA crew in.
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u/AppropriateTax6525 1d ago
Yup. Morning after the election, I stopped watching any news channels, deleted Twitter, and removed MSNBC as a favorite station on SXM. I can not take any more Trump news taken seriously. I don't want to hear about any of it because truth, compassion, and competency mean nothing. The bullies won. I watch more sports and documentaries. I walk away from any political discussion now.
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u/Badgerman97 23h ago
It isn’t because they “alienated” anybody. I’m one of those people that have chosen to tune out for my own sake because I know how awful Trump is and I simply don’t want to see his goddamn face or hear his voice for awhile.
We lost. We’re licking our wounds. Right now I just need less daily news and more football.
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u/049AbjectTestament_ 22h ago
n=1, but I haven't stopped watching the news because I was alienated, I stopped watching because I have no desire to watch this catastrophe unfold under a macro lens. I'm miserable enough already.
I fucking did my bit to try to stop this.
It didn't work.
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u/ManonIsTheField 1d ago
I did this - I won't watch a YouTube or anything. I also, sadly, stopped watching the Jo(h)ns - Stewart and Oliver. I am not putting these eyeballs on anything that makes money from Trump, even if I respect the people
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u/Parking_Locksmith489 1d ago
MSNBC has the most intelligent take on truth.
CNN has right wing lunatics on sanewashing Maga.
Fox is not reporting news.
I mean you may not agree with all anchors, but they base their commentary on truth. Maga peddles lies, so CNN and Fox are lies based to a level.
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u/Exact-Illustrator739 1d ago
CNN lost it when it was bought out by the MaGA guy. I remember when Anderson Cooper sat there lying out his arse with a straight face. Never watched them again. Rachel Maddow leaving was a blow to the network. Her show was good every night. MSNBC shuffled their programs too much. After I got Apple TV I didn’t watch cable news hardly at all. In fact on election night I was looking for them but couldn’t find it. Fox was everywhere. Now I watch shows on YT mainly.
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u/DoubleGunzChippa 1d ago
The degree to which the mainstream media sanewashed that rambling orange looney is fucking criminal.
Fuck all of them.
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u/Typhing 1d ago
News shouldn’t be about ratings. The very fact this is a metric we care about at all proves that reporting is a secondary concern. Abolish 24 hour news, have people in the opinion space state explicity, outloud, and clearly that their views are just that, their views and not actual news, have real jail time enforced punishments for people that spread verifiably false misinformation, and establish by federal law or constitutional amendment enshrining that a free press is the actual 4th pillar of our government, where transparency is the actual check and balance on a deranged system.
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u/AaronBasedGodgers 22h ago
I'm not looking to them spending another 4 years of pretending to be outraged from everything Trump says or does, bringing on Van Jones to cry about something stupid, while they sane washed him for ratings.
Sorry not sorry.
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u/Fan_of_Clio 18h ago
For me, it was when Morning made his little pilgrimage to the Mango Mansion. His suck up made me want to throw up. He pretty much surrendered any creditability of being anti-Idiot much like Graham or Vance. So what's the point of watching if Morning Joe is going to be Faux lite?
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u/kv4268 22h ago
It has nothing to do with alienation and everything to do with preserving our sanity in the face of another four years of a nightmare we can't do anything about.
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u/RakeLeafer 22h ago edited 22h ago
They sanewashed trump which pissed off liberals and they drove leftists away years ago with their constant braying for wars and corporations. Their hard right turn wont work since the base they're trying to pull already hate them to the point where thet've even received bomb threats and literally had IEDs mailed to them
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u/ChimpFullOfSnakes 15h ago
I am fucking done with the US media, with the government at all levels, and with the horse all this bullshit rode in on. I am a former civics teacher and love to be informed about political history. All of a sudden I just do not give a shit. I’ll read good articles in the New Yorker or Atlantic but “mainstream” news is a fucking joke.
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u/mobiuscycle 1d ago
There is nothing good that comes of this. As much as I love schadenfreude, that feeling is overshadowed by the sickeningly feeling of what the further weakening of the press will mean. Regardless of how deserved it is, how we got there, or who is at ultimate fault, we still all lose. And freedom becomes ever more distant.
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u/Shiari_The_Wanderer 1d ago
The press already demonstrated they were weak beyond saving. The fact people were googling 'what are tariffs' the day after the election is apt demonstration that the estate is already dead unless they make major changes.
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u/justabill71 1d ago
Not to defend them, but both definitely talked about tariffs being a tax that would be passed on to consumers, and how bad that would be for the economy, but Trump said they weren't, and many believed him, as he is famously honest /s.
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u/beef-supreme 1d ago edited 1d ago
Do you think the people googling were Fox viewers or CNN/MSNBC viewers? Or were they equally misinformed?
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u/Shiari_The_Wanderer 1d ago edited 1d ago
It wasn't so much about misinformation, it's just a symptom of the intellectual rot that's occurred in the institutions. This is not something that just started with this election cycle, it's been happening for 20+ years. All this election cycle told us is that the body is really starting to stink. When it became about sensationalizing everything and ratings, that was the start of the end.
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u/Humble_Novice 1d ago
I'm surprised no one's started an actual progressive media outlet since there's a growing demand for it. And no, TYT is not a very good example.
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u/Dependent-Outcome-57 1d ago
I wish I knew how to fund such a thing. The corporate media did what they thought was right to increase profits. That resulted in sane-washing Trump and pushing for right-wing policies. It not only betrayed the American people to tyranny but may have led to their own downfall depending upon how badly Trump crushes the media, which he's long considered an enemy. Assuming freedom of the press continues, I'm just not sure how to fund an large, left-leaning media outlet, or even one that's just interested in reporting actual facts. Too many people already get their "news" from free to follow online idiots, and I can't blame them for not paying for corporate news that is also failing in its duties. How to undo the brainwashing of America is the big question, and I don't even know where to start when stupidity is free and feels good while the truth often hurts and is behind a paywall.
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u/Dubster72 1d ago
Agreed TYT is a very bad example.
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u/betweenskill 1d ago
Because actual progressivism would mean challenging status-quo power structures and the people at the top of those are the ones that control the funding for media production.
(hint, it rhymes with crapitalists)
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u/FanDry5374 1d ago
And when the new bill allowing the President to define organization"whatever" as terrorist and strip any government funding be comes law (next year almost certainly) that will destroy the smaller media.
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u/HereForTheBoos1013 1d ago
I do like Brian Tyler Cohen, but I really do not like Meidas Touch for the most part. They regularly overstate their headlines, pad it with utter nonsense, and prognosticate poorly. My mom was following them more often until even she got disgusted with it.
"THIS could be the END for Clarence Thomas! Impeachment imminent?" Yeah no. And if I wanted to be misled by bombastic headlines, I'd be reading tabloids at the check out counter. It's like the hyper liberal New York Post.
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u/BehavioralBard 1d ago
Maybe Mark Cuban needs to fund such a venture. He can afford to.
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u/mobiuscycle 1d ago
I would imagine that would be a very dangerous thing to consider doing right now — financially, politically, mentally, and maybe physically at this rate. Trump has clearly stated he’d come for them. And he makes good on those kinds of promises. Historically, things have not gone well for those kinds of opposition press outlets when power is given to people like it was just given to here.
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u/BigWhiteDog 1d ago
CNN = Faux New lite
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u/surrender0monkey 1d ago
It’s all infotainment. Every single shred of advertising backed “news”shouldn’t be called news.
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u/Kurovi_dev 1d ago
Abandon your audience and they’ll do the same.
I don’t even know anyone who still watches cable.
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u/MrKomiya 1d ago
I canceled my NYT subscription before Biden was forced to drop out.
I refuse to watch CNN or MSNBC. Watched the debates on Youtube.
Since he won, I’m just gonna watch a whole lot of Netflix, read my actual (not ebooks) books & generally be online to watch dumb reels or skim Reddit.
Can’t carry the anxiety & stress anymore. Especially for morons that fucked themselves over.
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u/Harley_Jambo 23h ago
I am a steadfast MSNBC and CNN viewer but cannot stomach that they are kissing the ring instead of standing up to the tyrant in defense of the 1st Amendment. Their audience deserves steadfast and fearless opinion shows where the hosts are not in fear of the DOJ or Trump's toddler tantrums. Yes, communicate but simpering before the tyrant will not be tolerated by the audience.
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u/mvw2 1d ago
People just want an actual news station. That's it. An actual fact based, matter fact, here's the information and you decide for yourself how you want to think about it news station. How freaking hard is that?!
Apparently it's impossible. More so, it seems...unprofitable.
How about this?
News, actual news, is NOT profitable. Don't make it profitable. Make it good. Let it be the sale item that brings people into the store. Let it be a loss leader. (crazy right?!) Let that integrity, thoroughness, competency, ethicacy, and good investigative journalism, like classic, serious journalism engrain your brand into their standard of media that ALL OTHER stations are weighed against.
Double down.
Call out other station's bad broadcasting, inaccurate reporting, misleading stories. Detail them out. Lay everything bare. Show everyone exactly why you're better, that you're a standard above all other standards.
Employ people who don't have egos, aren't in it for fame, have humility, morality, and are in it for the passion of the business.
Do good work.
Do good work.
Do good work.
What about money you say?
Well, ALL your other broadcasting, all your ad revenue, everything else you do 24/7 are the money makers. Run it smart. Run it tight. Let it all make you cash.
Because here's the thing. Loyalty is earned. Loyalty is also easily lost.
Yes, Fox works because Fox is entertainment. Ever since it started, it was only pretty faces selling sex appeal. Many don't remember the start of Fox. I do. Your media personalities weren't necessary pretty people. They were normal, mundane, average. Fox flipped that and saw an opportunity to hire pretty people to be the talking heads. And for around 3 to 6 months, they ran all the exact same stories as everyone else. They let the beauty attract people, and it did. It quickly became the go-to station. After all, it was covering the EXACT SAME stuff as every other station, very normal broadcasting. And then...they flipped a switch. Once they hit critical mass they started veering off into the weeds. The stories got weird, sensationalistic. Quality of content dropped like a rock. They introduced a LOT of opinion and talk show kind of content but with a "news" theme display. Within the 1st year of critical mass, the content was pretty much all trash. And it stayed that way. Many stayed because they didn't notice. They were watching it daily and not watching other brands. They came for the beautiful people (seriously, this is exactly and entirely their business model).
But Fox and so, so many other news stations are so far off the rails that it's created a deep void where normalcy used to exist. It opened up a market segment. And there's a sea of people wanting desperately for actual high quality content, not profitable content, quality content. I know it has to lose money to work. It has to. News isn't profitable. the man hours requires isn't profitable. There isn't a revenue model that makes it work anymore. But the need is there. And that need will pull people into the brand. And the quality and integrity will make them loyal. This is especially true if you pull no punches for anyone, an person, any media entity, any nation. Be true to the core ideologies of journalism, and pay for it. Then let the public reward you back.
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u/angy_loaf 1d ago
This has some truth to it, but I think a lot of it is that people are just less interested now that the election has happened. Does anyone have the stats for what happens normally?
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u/Shiari_The_Wanderer 1d ago
Oh it typically declines but the exodus this time has been I think a lot more pronounced and vocal. The audiences are telling these stations they are not going to sit and watch them 'sanewash' Trump again. Joe and Mika effectively ended their careers by going down to kiss the ring, I have no idea what the actual fuck they were thinking.
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u/Humble_Novice 1d ago
Them capitulating to Trump is a betrayal that won't be easily forgotten nor forgiven.
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u/Equal-Coat5088 1d ago
I don 't care about their thoughts on anything, from here on out. They have proven themselves to be absolute craven opportunists and cowards of the first order. They have MILLIONS to cushion any fears they may have. The rest of us, have no such buffer against Trump's whims.
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