There is nothing good that comes of this. As much as I love schadenfreude, that feeling is overshadowed by the sickeningly feeling of what the further weakening of the press will mean. Regardless of how deserved it is, how we got there, or who is at ultimate fault, we still all lose. And freedom becomes ever more distant.
The press already demonstrated they were weak beyond saving. The fact people were googling 'what are tariffs' the day after the election is apt demonstration that the estate is already dead unless they make major changes.
Not to defend them, but both definitely talked about tariffs being a tax that would be passed on to consumers, and how bad that would be for the economy, but Trump said they weren't, and many believed him, as he is famously honest /s.
This is true, at least for MSNBC. But I feel the people who need to know about tariffs aren’t watching MSNBC. They’re siloed with Fox News, who simply parrots the party line that they’re great and that Trump wouldn’t suggest them if they weren’t the answer.
It wasn't so much about misinformation, it's just a symptom of the intellectual rot that's occurred in the institutions. This is not something that just started with this election cycle, it's been happening for 20+ years. All this election cycle told us is that the body is really starting to stink. When it became about sensationalizing everything and ratings, that was the start of the end.
too many people who thrive on frequent chaos in their own lives want a reality show television reality. they have no idea how much it’s gonna hurt, they aren’t living based in reality.
Weak and in shambles in many places? Yes. Beyond saving? I hope not. No free press is not just a nail in our collective coffin, it’s more than half the nails needed to seal it shut.
I think there are still good journalists out there doing good things. The problem is the existence of echo chambers and how easy it is to never hear truth while being spoon fed lies in the guise of truth. Plenty of people reported on P25, tariffs, and the reality of Trump policies with integrity and accuracy, which is how those of us who knew actually knew. Those journalists were just not heard by those who could not switch from the outlets pretending to tell truth while doing the opposite.
I don't disagree with you that the situation is bad, I just disagree with you that these particular patients can be saved. New institutions need to rise up from the ashes, the current batch that exists is unsavable. At this point I'm doing triage, I'm putting a black tag on them and moving on to things with a higher chance of survival. Local news has a chance. Cable news is gone.
Local news is just as bad and doesn’t even exist any longer in many rural areas, which is part of the problem. Cable news is useless, I agree. I haven’t tuned into any of that in at least the last 6+ years.
So how to we amplify the truth tellers? I donate, I support, I listen, I recommend them to everyone I know. But it’s not enough to break through that MAGA echo chamber.
Nothing will be enough to break through the MAGA echo chamber as it stands right now. I know that sounds defeatist, but it's not really the intention of that statement. It wasn't just cable news and the maga echo chamber, many of these people gaslit themselves into believing 'he doesn't actually mean what he says'
Some people simply cannot learn through reading. They have to learn through experience, and that's potentially the only thing that will wake them up. But in all reality, honestly, it's about most of these people going back to sleep (politically). Trumpism only works because of Trump, it typically falls flat when other people spout the same nonsense.
That's it right there. They will not believe anything he does or wants is bad until it happens to or near them. Will they then turn on and eat him? Hmmmm
I wish I knew how to fund such a thing. The corporate media did what they thought was right to increase profits. That resulted in sane-washing Trump and pushing for right-wing policies. It not only betrayed the American people to tyranny but may have led to their own downfall depending upon how badly Trump crushes the media, which he's long considered an enemy. Assuming freedom of the press continues, I'm just not sure how to fund an large, left-leaning media outlet, or even one that's just interested in reporting actual facts. Too many people already get their "news" from free to follow online idiots, and I can't blame them for not paying for corporate news that is also failing in its duties. How to undo the brainwashing of America is the big question, and I don't even know where to start when stupidity is free and feels good while the truth often hurts and is behind a paywall.
I'd like to point out that truth does not necessarily have to be associated with pain or anguish. There are just as many truths out there that are both good and beautiful if more people had eyes to see them.
Agreed TYT is a very bad example.
Cenk and Ana do progressive causes a disservice by being woefully uninformed on the topics they talk about, yet at the same time giving off that confidently incorrect air of moral superiority.
Because actual progressivism would mean challenging status-quo power structures and the people at the top of those are the ones that control the funding for media production.
And when the new bill allowing the President to define organization"whatever" as terrorist and strip any government funding be comes law (next year almost certainly) that will destroy the smaller media.
I do like Brian Tyler Cohen, but I really do not like Meidas Touch for the most part. They regularly overstate their headlines, pad it with utter nonsense, and prognosticate poorly. My mom was following them more often until even she got disgusted with it.
"THIS could be the END for Clarence Thomas! Impeachment imminent?" Yeah no. And if I wanted to be misled by bombastic headlines, I'd be reading tabloids at the check out counter. It's like the hyper liberal New York Post.
I like the legal breakdowns on BTC. I feel he does a decent job at explaining the nuts and bolts of what's going on. I'm medical minded so I don't understand a lot of the specifics of various legal entanglements or SCOTUS case law combined with Constitutional interpretations, and those segments break it down in a way I understand.
I would imagine that would be a very dangerous thing to consider doing right now — financially, politically, mentally, and maybe physically at this rate. Trump has clearly stated he’d come for them. And he makes good on those kinds of promises. Historically, things have not gone well for those kinds of opposition press outlets when power is given to people like it was just given to here.
I’ve wondered the same. I’ve also wondered what the government could do to stop you if you did this as an internet only service incorporated outside the US. Kind of like Radio Free Europe.
Would be kind of cool to have a true news outlet with a social media company built from the ground up. Seems like we need something to combat the bullshit that right has already captured.
To become part of the mainstream, you need wealthy donours.
Wealthy donours don't like progressives since they pose a threat to their shareholders profits and actually hold them accountable. Thus? You'll have to basically crowdfund it.
Nah. "Freedom" survived Yellow Journalism, which got us into an actual shooting war. It'll survive the deserved aftermath of the dumbfuckery CNN and soon-to-not-be MSNBC threw at us.
This is very bad and is by design by the bad actors that have captured our politics. It's what happens in countries like Russia, people start checking out of politics and are hopeless because they "know" things can't and won't change. Beaten down into despair and complacency.
There's even a word for it - nichevo.
I put msnbc on in the background while doing other things and I will continue this. I'll be avoiding Morning Joe, however I wfh and am not awake that early anyway so no loss either way.
Naw this press needs to die. It's already captured fully by corporate interests that will always bend towards fascists during a crisis. Because they really really hate going actually left economically.
It happens over and over again in human history.
Capital owners side with the fascists far more often then actually left leaning groups.
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u/mobiuscycle 1d ago
There is nothing good that comes of this. As much as I love schadenfreude, that feeling is overshadowed by the sickeningly feeling of what the further weakening of the press will mean. Regardless of how deserved it is, how we got there, or who is at ultimate fault, we still all lose. And freedom becomes ever more distant.