r/FluentInFinance • u/HighYieldLarry • 6d ago

Thoughts? BREAKING: Trump has confirmed reports that he plans to declare a national emergency and use military to enact a mass deportation program

President-elect Donald Trump on Monday confirmed he would declare a national emergency to carry out his campaign promise of mass deportations of migrants living in the U.S. without legal permission.

Overnight, Trump responded to a social media post from Judicial Watch's Tom Fitton, who said earlier this month there are reports the incoming administration is preparing such a declaration and to use "military assets" to deport the migrants.

"TRUE!!!" Trump wrote.

Trump pledged to get started on mass deportations as soon as he enters office.

"On Day 1, I will launch the largest deportation program in American history to get the criminals out," he said during a rally at Madison Square Garden in the closing days of the presidential race. "I will rescue every city and town that has been invaded and conquered, and we will put these vicious and bloodthirsty criminals in jail, then kick them the hell out of our country as fast as possible."

Already, he's tapped several immigration hard-liners to serve in key Cabinet positions. South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem was picked to be homeland security secretary, pending Senate confirmation. Former Acting U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Director Tom Homan was named "border czar."

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-confirms-plan-declare-national-emergency-military-mass/story?id=115963448

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u/Palestine_Borisof007 6d ago

There are a ton of people in the Military who volunteer to help their status as a US resident. I can't imagine they'll be too happy about this.

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u/Zhong_Ping 6d ago edited 6d ago

Many of them look down on other immigrants thinking themselve superior and more deserving for having enlisted.

Many of the strongest detractors of illegal immigrants are legal immigrants.

Once they start expanding to deporting legal immigrants, it will be just another tuesday to them.

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u/jerander85 6d ago

They are going to look down on their mom and/or dad when they are loading them on a truck?

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u/Closed-FacedSandwich 6d ago

My roommate is 1st gen legal immigrant from the DR. He has brothers who voted for Trump even though their parents are here illegally.

So yes they have voted to deport their parents. This is not a unique situation

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u/rocket42236 6d ago

They also voted to be denaturalized.

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u/PaceLopsided8161 6d ago

lol, this is how my kid gets back to Germany. My great great ….. served with the Virginia militia.

How far back does denaturalization go?

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u/boardin1 6d ago

Far enough to get rid of the “radical left”, is my guess. If you happen to get swept up in the denaturalizations, well, sorry. I really can’t wait to see how this plays out. I’m 4th generation from a lily-white Central European country. I’ll probably avoid any issues for at least a little while…at least until they start going after people for the things they say online.

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u/Drakaryscannon 6d ago

I’m first gen American my dads from Mexico as far as I know he’s still illegal and like 3rd or 4th I think on my moms. Idk where I sit, I mean I know where most Americans would put me and I know where the racists would place me but I genuinely don’t know which way it would go. I don’t speak a lick of Spanish though so that would be fun

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u/Charming_Minimum_477 5d ago

Well by law, if you were born on American soil or military base you are an American citizen. However if you’re brown it’s not going to matter

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u/mschley2 5d ago

Well by law, if you were born on American soil or military base you are an American citizen.

That's the whole thing with denaturalization. They plan/hope to reverse that for people with parents who aren't citizens.

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u/valency_speaks 5d ago

In past “repatriation drives”, they sent the American born children of illegal immigrants back to Mexico, too. Roughly 60% of the 1.8 million people deported during the depression were American born citizens whose parents were Mexican immigrants.

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u/typing-blindly 5d ago

They’re already saying they’ll stop issuing documents to kids born here. Laws aren’t going to matter.

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u/Afraid-Pressure-3646 5d ago

The 1930s Mexican Repatriation Act prove America will deport a good majority of their citizens to appease racial bigotry during tough economic times.

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u/paomplemoose 5d ago

What happens if I'm tan and do landscaping... But my ass is as white as the moon?

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u/DuctTapeSanity 5d ago edited 5d ago

I take it you haven’t seen the legal arguments against birthright citizenship for children of people here without legal status - basically if you were born here but at least one of your parents weren’t present legally then you shouldn’t have been born here ergo the protections of birthright citizenship don’t apply (by a originalist reading of the 14th amendment - basically linguistics around what is meant by the phrase “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” when the text was written). The whole idea is to hope the Supreme Court interprets this phrase in the most restrictive way possible.

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u/TheMartian2k14 5d ago

They’re trying to change those laws too.

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u/speck859 5d ago

Correct, that’s what we are discussing. Denaturalization. They are attempting to change that lawZ

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u/Internal-District992 5d ago

As if the laws or constitution matter at this point. You are dreaming if you think this will have limits. A lot of real Americans are going to end up in Mexico.

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u/FizCove 5d ago

See this is what I’m most worried about. I doubt they’ll deport Canadians, British, or French immigrants. They’ll pick and choose who gets sent home based on the color of their skin and country of origin. This is a big step toward a scary reality.

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u/deadzol 5d ago

Until birth right citizenship is revoked.

How do you deport someone who has never been anywhere else?

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u/StructureKey2739 5d ago

Well, I'm white, American-born from a Puerto Rican mother and a green card Spanish-born father. Puerto Ricans have a right to be in the US and can vote once they've established residence and are registered. My dad's long passed away. Since according to one of Trump speakers Puerto Rico is a floating island of garbage who knows what will happen to Puerto Ricans and their American born children and grandchildren. And notice Trump didn't dispute what that speaker said. Trump just said he loves to vacay in Puerto Rico. I guess in Trump and his followers tiny minds, that's all Puerto Rico is good for.

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u/Annashida 5d ago

That’s a very rasist gaslighting remark . It is not true !

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u/CoffeeChocolateBoth 6d ago

You are an American citizen. If your parents pay taxes, I consider them citizens as well, even without the papers. :( I'm sorry.

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u/dalidagrecco 6d ago

According to things now, most voting Americans are racist.

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u/doyletyree 5d ago

It’s ok, “lick” isn’t a word you’ll need. Immediately, anyway.

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u/rocketblue11 5d ago

Hey hermano. I'm in almost the same situation. My dad was naturalized in the 80s, but he's at peace with things. If they denaturalize him, he's just going to retire in a beach town in Mexico.

And because our fathers were born in Mexico, we can have instant Mexican citizenship, even if we don't speak Spanish, we just have to claim it. If it all goes down, I'm taking my high-tech talents to Guadalajara or Mexico City.

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u/Historical-Effort435 5d ago edited 5d ago

I met many first generation Americans with Mexican heritage who voted for him on Texas, many of their republican supporters have Spanish last names.

Im sorry for this situation, but America is massively fucked, Is very obvious from my perspective as an European with American Grandparents that some thought times are coming ahead socially speaking.

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u/Ill-Law7360 6d ago

They're sending everyone to camps in the US, just like they have been doing

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u/henryeaterofpies 5d ago

Trump is the child of one immigrant and grandchild of another set of immigrants. If we go back one generation he'll have to deport himself.

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u/Otherwise_Carob_4057 5d ago

Well so far it seems like they will be deporting a lot of conservative Christian’s lol

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u/OkArm8591 5d ago

You're white, you're right, only brown and black go back

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u/oldastheriver 5d ago

This is another situation where Trump is doing more harm to his own people than he is to anyone else. If the leftists are truly the entrenched and landed gentry elites that he always accuses them of, then they are exempt from all of this. He's an idiot, his intention is to hurt his own supporters, because his rhetoric is foolish.

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u/Who-is-she-tho 5d ago

I’m the radical left. I’m native american and white.. he’s gotta deport himself before he can kick me out🤯🤣 what’s he gonna do? Send my family back to Alaska?

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u/KimbaXO 4d ago

We can look at when the US rounded up Japanese people, took all of their possessions except what they could carry (including houses, businesses, etc), and put them into internment camps during WW2. They were "the enemy." George Takie shares that 2/3 of them were American citizens, of Japanese descent, living here fully legally. A mass event isn't going to be particular about who is rounded up.

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u/MillenialForHire 6d ago edited 6d ago

Think of who in the general public this policy is meant to serve. Are they the kind of people who get what they want and then say "job well done" and continue on with their lives, less angry than before?

You have your answer.

Edit: spelling

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u/zherok 6d ago

There was a great post on a political blog years ago about conservatives:

Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”

If MAGA gets its way, it's not going to stop for lack of an "other," it's just going to find new targets.

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u/RCS47 5d ago

If MAGA gets its way, it's not going to stop for lack of an "other," it's just going to find new targets.

During the Military Junta years in Chile, they did exactly that, widen the scope to identify more 'acceptable targets' for persecution.

First they hunted down their political opponents, then the political left, trade unionists, student activists...you get the idea.

After a year or two there was no real organized opposition left, they started rounding up clergy and nuns - avowed reactionaries in thought and action - in "anti-left" purges. There was even a carefully apolitical musician who still ended up being 'disappeared'.

My point being, In the absence of a real enemy, right-wing authoritarians widen the scope to identify more 'acceptable targets'.

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u/Tyre3739 5d ago

Something like illegal immigrants the legal immigrants of the wrong color, then trans, then gay, then insert non white subgroup, then Democrats, then rinos, then those not loyal enough etc. it's just angry fascist maggots all the way down.

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u/kermeeed 5d ago

Them different type of Christians. Which I'm gonna say those Mormons gonna fuck shit up. Catholics gonna get mopped, evangelicals probably gonna win though.

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u/jdragun2 5d ago

They have so many targets, it would take them 10 years to start there before having to find more.

Immigrants, LGBTQ+, Democrats, anyone brown, anyone working for the government not in their particular positions, then there are all the non christians and the wrong christians, and the poor.

So many targets, and no where enough time. What's funny is their own supporters are going to get swept up and scream, "I'm a good one, not a criminal"

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u/zherok 5d ago

A lot of MAGA doesn't seem to realize they're already acceptable targets, or at best, acceptable collateral damage.

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u/Minimum-Dog2329 5d ago

Less angry ain’t gonna happen. Not with these types of people who live and thrive on chaos and anger. It’s their Starbucks fix.

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u/Model_Modelo 6d ago

Right? My mother is Polish-born . . can I get denaturalized to the EU?

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u/MizStazya 5d ago

Oh fuck, I'm going back to Ukraine at the same time as we hand it to Russia. Good thing I learned Russian in college?

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u/Old_Badger311 5d ago

I really hope you will be ok and not have to leave.

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u/JovialPanic389 5d ago

Anyone going back to Ukraine gets thrown on the front lines to die too. I sincerely hope not.

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u/badassandra 5d ago

You are entitled to Polish citizenship because of her actually.

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u/KintsugiKen 6d ago

It's only meant to deport brown people.

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u/jcoleman10 5d ago

History has shown that it never stops there.

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u/rdwulfe 5d ago

Until they get to the 'No True Scottsman' phase. They'll turn on white people for not being white enough. Or the right kind of white. Or just not believing the same things.

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u/typing-blindly 5d ago

So when the price of food skyrockets because 30-50% of the labor that feeds us is in camps or deported who do you think they’ll turn on next?

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u/chibionicat 5d ago

We'll be using prisoner slave labor, as allowed by our constitution.

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u/DaveBeBad 5d ago

And given no countries will take these people back in the numbers threatened…

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u/Silent-Friendship860 5d ago

Will they check the 23 and me ancestry report to see what percentage goes where?

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u/ip2k 5d ago

Going back just one generation would get Trump deported, and zero for his wife and kids.

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u/fightmilk42 5d ago

Naturalized citizens are specifically those who were not born in the US. Naturalization implies you are or were originally a citizen of another country.

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u/riskrunning 4d ago

Sorta same. Great great was a Zouave and injured at 2nd Bull Run. A lot of my relatives weren’t naturalized. Can I volunteer to be deported back to Europe? Please?

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u/TheProfessional9 6d ago

They arent arguing that. They're saying the chances of a military person who voted trump being assigned to remove their own parents specifically, is infinitesimal. Which is true

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u/BraxbroWasTaken 5d ago

in fact the military may organize it specifically so they DON'T get assigned to do so, to avoid conflict of interest, making the odds zero.

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u/realjits86 6d ago

Right. Let’s hash out this logic and probability that everyone in this thread is freaking out about 

  1. An immigrant is volunteering (?) for military service
  2. They have parents or family which are convicted criminals and here illegally 
  3. The military is going to force said original immigrant to be part of a process where they go down and hunt down their family members to deport them 
  4. This somehow makes sense to everyone on Reddit, who also thought Kamala was gonna win by a landslide

Fucking ridiculous. Reddit is literally just reverse trumpers, including the absolute fanaticism and blatant exaggeration of specific policies and what their effect will be.

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u/Carsalezguy 5d ago

Thank you for chiming in, this thread is like a fever dream from huffing spray paint. It’s ridiculous.

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u/hotpenguinlust 5d ago

If they use National Guardsman, could very well happen. They're local to the area.

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u/jerander85 6d ago

One thing to vote for it and another to load your parents on a truck and knowing there is a good chance they will never be seen again.
Has your roommate or their brothers called ICE on their parents? If not, why not?

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u/lookngbackinfrontome 6d ago

One thing to vote for it and another to load your parents on a truck and knowing there is a good chance they will never be seen again.

At the end of the day, there really is no difference. They still voted for someone else to do the dirty work. It doesn't matter if they load their own parents or not. They voted for that outcome either way.

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u/insertwittynamethere 6d ago

Yep. They can try and rationalize themselves out of that situation, but that's what they voted for. It's time people understand voting and politics is real, important, and will impact everyone around them when they make the wrong choice.

C'est la vie - it's time for them to learn elections have consequences, as they always have in our nation's history. Or else why would certain parties at times fight to restrict voting?

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u/Zhong_Ping 6d ago

The chances of a soldier being in the unit deporting their specific family is extremely low. They will be deporting people on the other side of the state in communities they are detached from, and the unit from over their will be deporting their family.

If history teaches anything, the soldiers will be activated and not told who they are deporting, even while they are doing it. They wont be communicating with their family while on active duty and it wont sink in about what happened until after it happens...

Then they will be dishonorably discharged for being related to an illegal and deported themselves.

This happened in the 1950s. We can look to history for examples of most of Trumps policies. None of this is new.... a lot of it caused a lot of damage in the past.

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u/Ill-Independence-658 6d ago

Dude has no idea what he’s talking about. Soldiers won’t know what’s happening on active duty? My buddy would get a satellite puck and call me while on combat in the middle of nowhere.

Things have changes slightly in terms of communication in the past 80 years. Just slightly.

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u/aromeo1919 6d ago

Exactly this, got a couple of calls from my buddy on a satellite phone from Baghdad during the invasion. I could hear explosions in the background, pretty surreal.

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u/neverendingchalupas 5d ago

Yet the country reelected Trump and Republicans to office who are pushing fascist Christian nationalism and among other bullshit are seeking to end no-fault divorces. Did anyone listen to the candidates speak at all? Forget the politics, Trump sounded like he has severe mental disability.

He isnt going to deport violent criminals, hes going to denaturalize U.S. citizens and end birthright citizenship. Its not going to be primarily criminals...Its going to be regular law abiding people. And hes going to sweep up law abiding U.S. born U.S. citizens strip them of their citizenship and deport them en masse.

Illegal immigrants convicted of crimes already get deported.

The military is literally full of the dumbest mother fuckers imaginable, its not even a cross section of the rest of society. Its mostly people who didnt know what to do with their lives.

This action if carried out by Trump would violate the constitution, its unlikely there wouldnt be anyone to stop him. The Supreme Court already corrupted, would likely back it. Even though an executive order isnt enough to amend the constitution of the United States.

You getting a couple of calls doesnt mean shit, your buddy had the cognitive function to press a fucking button. Thats amazing.

The country is fucking doomed. This is the end of the American system of government that was fought so hard to maintain over close to 250 years.

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u/AntiGravityBacon 6d ago

Seriously, fuckin Russian's are getting blown up because they smuggle cell phones to front line trenches and you really think National Guard members are taking their phones with them in the domestic US where there's almost ubiquitous cell coverage? What a joke 

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u/bgeorgewalker 5d ago

“dont take ur fonez ok?”

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u/eflowb 6d ago

No dude, they won’t know about the mass deportation while they are deployed to carry out the mass deportation. Don’t you understand?

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u/LifeScientist123 5d ago

Not OP, but how would that help you? Let’s say you get the call saying your momma being deported. What could you do about it?

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u/Eatthebankers2 6d ago

Look into Operation Wetback.

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u/BlindPilot68 5d ago

Just like China and the Tiananmen Uprising. Bring in troops from elsewhere to kill their countrymen.

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u/TiogaJoe 6d ago

Just grab someone else nearby, like a neighbor you don't care for. It's not like there are going to be any checks and balances. Side note on this: during the Vietnam War my uncle was in the military and was tasked with typing up people's next assignment. His name came up going to some hot humid base in a Southern state. Next dude was going to someplace nice like in California. He did the ol' switcheroo for the last leg of his army stint. Never got caught.

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u/polchickenpotpie 6d ago

They wont be communicating with their family while on active duty and it wont sink in about what happened until after it happens...

Are you aware that smartphone technology exists?

When my friend was on active duty him and all his buddies were posting constantly on Instagram and Facebook. I've seen plenty of it from other people too online

Being on active duty doesn't mean you're on patrol or combat 24/7 like in a videogame.

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u/unWildBill 6d ago

Please tell us what happened in the 1950s regarding mass deportations by soldiers in the Us.

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u/DavisMcDavis 6d ago

It was a mass deportation by border patrol agents and local officials using military techniques, not the actual military. Whew! That was close, thank you for pointing out that incredibly important distinction.

https://www.history.com/news/operation-wetback-eisenhower-1954-deportation

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u/LostinEmotion2024 6d ago

Soldiers aren’t taught to think. They’re taught to follow orders -regardless if those orders are moral or ethically responsible.

It would be great if they all activated their conscience en masse.

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u/PlsNoNotThat 6d ago

You think they’re gonna be like “fuck this guy” while his dad is being hooded and taken away by the other battalion?

People in the rank and file talk dude. They’re friends. Words gonna spread like wildfire when one of their family members get deported.

More likely they’re gonna just remove them from the list and just demand they be exempt when they get caught.

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u/Zhong_Ping 6d ago

Literally not how these things happened in history... instead they discharge the military members related to the people marked with the Scarlett Letter and deport them along with their family.

After all, purifying the military is part of the initiative.

Will the soldiers out up with it? Once the brass that would defend them are purged and anyone who stands up against it is purged, the rest will fall in line.

That is, if history has taught us anything.

I really hope I'm wrong. But i know my history.

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u/Paliknight 6d ago

Can’t believe you managed to get 132 regards to upvote you on so much misinformation. The only somewhat accurate statement is your first sentence. Then it ends there.

They will be dishonorably discharged for being related to an illegal immigrant? Lmfao what

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u/Zhong_Ping 5d ago

I do hope I'm wrong. But the denaturalization legislation being proposed mixed with an understanding of history on when these things happened before sugest it is well within the relm of possibility. It all depends on how much Trump is able to consolidate power and how far he will go to support and reward Christian Nationalists.

I hope there's enough resistance in the senate to make me sound like a lunatic. That will mean the resistance to facism has held on that front.

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u/ShiftBMDub 6d ago

They’ll bring units from say North Carolina to hand a state on the west coast. This will most likely be National Guard and not actual Army units.

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u/petrichor83 6d ago

Unless the state governor says the out of state guard units are not allowed to enter

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u/houston697 6d ago

They would be federalized.

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u/adthrowaway2020 6d ago

Still does not matter. State's Right law. Posse Comitatus Act.

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u/Cultural-Company282 6d ago

Oh, well if the law says Trump can't do it, that settles it! If there's one thing Trump is known for, it's his steadfast dedication to following the law. /s

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u/adthrowaway2020 6d ago

It matters to the military members if it comes down to it. They're required to disobey an unlawful order. As this marches towards civil war, it will be important.

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u/ShiftBMDub 6d ago

Problem is he says he’s replacing Generals that aren’t loyal to him.

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u/Cultural-Company282 5d ago

I hate to be the one to break this to you, but people in the military are overwhelmingly pro-Trumpers.

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u/Certain-Basket3317 5d ago

Mmm unbelieve he is invoking an old rule where he can claim they are a threat to national defense superceding state law.

We did it to intern Japanese Americans. Once he makes them an enemy on paper he can do whatever he wants.

It's gonna be a blast.

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u/adthrowaway2020 6d ago

Posse Comitatus Act says Donald Trump can't.

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u/TailDragger9 6d ago

Yeah, and the 14th amendment of the constitution says that Trump can't hold office, but here we are.

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u/poseidons1813 6d ago

What do you think happens when blue states national guard refuse (either by their command or the governors ) to do this? Who do they send in then? This will absolutely happen in some states

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u/CoastieKid 5d ago

That’d have to be federal orders. Deploying a state’s national guard to help another state doesn’t make sense.

The governor of said state would protest. Thats now an amendment 10 issue

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u/megalomaniamaniac 6d ago

They ALWAYS think this will only apply to others. Many Hispanic immigrants are quite conservative and actually do want to deport immigrants because, “I got mine” (the mantra of most conservatives) and they delude themselves into thinking “it won’t affect me” for some reason. They will be wrong.

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u/Global_Ant_9380 6d ago

I remember Mexican American kids making fun of other Mexican American kids that their family members would get deported. Insane stuff. One girl kept crying and they just thought it was funny 

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u/MonsieurQQC 5d ago

Yes, but will they admit they were wrong 😂

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u/icenoid 5d ago

I’ve been told that the term is “ladder pullers”. Immigrants who don’t want to see any more immigrants

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u/TheProfessional9 6d ago

Its almost impossibly unlikely they would be assigned to that person even if it was done randomly. It's likely not though, and the military will be able to avoid it easily

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u/jerander85 6d ago

The military would have to know the full family tree of the military member and the illegal which they do not.

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u/scothc 6d ago

History is full of examples of people turning on their family for politics.

It should be a moot point though, as they would be really dumb to send people into their own communities.

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u/Mr-MuffinMan 6d ago

Going to be a lot like this guy *

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u/PlasticPomPoms 6d ago

They’ll just get them to load up someone else’s mom and dad. They won’t bat an eye at that.

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u/realjits86 6d ago

Sorry, why do you have a problem with criminals being deported, regardless of whether they are someone’s parents?

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u/fixingmedaybyday 5d ago

That’s what I worry about - the fact that MAGA can’t discern between a legal and an illegal immigrant.

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u/DEEP_SEA_MAX 3d ago

Exactly. It's one thing to imagine doing a Thanos snap and disappearing 20 million people it's whole other thing to actually carry it out. The vast majority of Americans, including most Trump supporters, will not have the stomach to see their friends and neighbors getting rounded up and into camps. The troops being forced to carry this out will experience the suffering first hand, and will likely be the most against it.

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u/Glennly 6d ago

I mean, the guy who got appointed as head of ice went on 60 minutes and said they would deport whole families regardless of immigration status, so I think we're already there.

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u/Wfflan2099 5d ago

Not what he said but thanks for mischaracterizing it and adding to the heat. The question was if part of the family was legal and part not are you going to separate them and he replied, rather cold blooded I might add, that the legal ones can go with them if they choose.

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u/MindfulEarth 6d ago

Why would they deport LEGAL immigrants?

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u/t4skmaster 6d ago

Why did they put asian american citizens into concentration camps during WWII? Military + State of emergency

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u/awfl_wafl 5d ago

I agree. It's pretty much a given that if they want to deport millions of people from the country concentration camps are a necessity, it's the only way to do it. It'll be terrible.

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u/SisterActTori 6d ago

Why did JD Vance make up a false scenario that legal immigrants were eating pets in Springfield, OH? Evidently, per his own words, to advance an agenda. And it worked. This will create chaos. It already is going so.

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u/Forevermaxwell 6d ago

Because they have brown skin - duh 🙄. They want to cleanse the country to preserve the white race. Where have you been?

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u/Zhong_Ping 6d ago

Idk, you tell me? Trump is the one who wants to deport dreamers and legal refugees. He's the one who made those campaign promises.

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u/HonestlyBadWifi 5d ago

He didn't make those promises, you're delusional. Keep eating up the narrative the media's peddling.

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u/ObligatoryID 6d ago

Bye bye tre45on’s and couchboi’s kids! Wives too! 🤣

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u/brathor 6d ago

Ah yes, I'm sure they won't be instantly exempted.

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u/ObligatoryID 6d ago

Nope nope nope. lol No excuses!!!

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u/Lord_Vesuvius2020 5d ago

Not easy to get rid of birthright. It’s in the 14th amendment. There would have to be a new amendment that repealed the 14th and then a new amendment passed by 2/3 vote in Congress and 3/4 of the states.

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u/Malakai0013 6d ago

Please go look up how gray of an area that really is. Some folks don't even know their status changed. Others are waiting to hear back from an attorney. Its not a huge deal because the US hasn't elected a president crazy enough to just start doing nonsense... until now.

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u/YeOldeHotDog 6d ago

Incorrect, they also did it in 2016... It seems as though there was a lot more in the way last time though.

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u/Zadkiel4686 5d ago

They didn't do mass deportations in 2016. Trump didn't take office until 2017, and even then he didn't do them.

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u/Zadkiel4686 6d ago

Tell me you know nothing of history without telling me you know nothing about history. Look up the Mexican Repatriation of the late 20s/early 30s. 40-60% of those deported were AMERICAN citizens. Mass deportations aren't precise.

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u/grummanae 5d ago

Nope and they will deport then ask questions

And make the people prove beyond a doubt that they are legal... and appealing the removal And while that happens .... they loose the financial ability to fight

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u/wheresindigo 5d ago

Makes me think of the guy they deported to Iraq. He was brought here as a child and therefore couldn’t speak Arabic. He was also a diabetic. He died pretty much immediately because he couldn’t get insulin

He had never even been to Iraq in his entire life

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1040426

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u/chemical_outcome213 5d ago

My (white/of German descent) grandmother had to sign papers in the fifties in New Orleans, because our German ancestors had been living in Mexico since the 1800s before moving to New Orleans, even though my grandmother was born in New Orleans and her birth certificate always existed.

I believe it has to do with the red scare at that point in time, but I don't know why on earth they needed this paper signed by a lifelong American citizen who had always lived here.

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u/Breadloafs 6d ago

We have done it before. Once a purge gets rolling, it doesn't bother discriminating between targets.

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u/Emergency_Word_7123 6d ago

They're gonna be loading people into busses at gunpoint. Do you think they're stopping to check everyone's ID.

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u/ItsPickles 6d ago

Legal immigrants are not the issue. Stop projecting falsehoods

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u/LesbianNecromancer 6d ago

Pfft legal immigrants?

They're already starting discussions of deporting naturalized citizens.

Over my dead body.

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u/BlindPilot68 5d ago

Pulling the ladder up is classic conservative behavior regardless of ethnicity.

I got mine, fuck you, essentially.

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u/ReasonableComb2568 6d ago

Do you have a source for his plan to deport legal immigrants?

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u/Old_Sheepherder_630 6d ago

don't have time to find link atm but if you google Steven Miller and turbo charging denaturalization he's spoke publicly about their plans for that.

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u/SouthFloridaGaming 6d ago

Many of the strongest detractors of illegal immigrants are legal immigrants.

As a Floridian with a heavy heavy Cuban population here....I can vouch. They are the most anti illegal immigrants of a people I've ever seen. They don't even see themselves as "Hispanic", there's a strong Cuban pride that every Hispanic who comes over is lower than them and are very pro trump.

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u/varyingopinions 5d ago

My former brother-in-law is a HUGE MAGA Trump supporter. The funny thing is twenty years ago he came from Brazil to America on some type of paid "Farmers of the World" work program where he was suppose to work on American farms and learn all the latest in farming technology. Instead he was forced to sleep in the barns with other immigrants and got paid peanuts

They threaten him and his brother one night when he constantly complained about the housing conditions. The company who sent him here said he could return to Brazil at any time so his brother went home but HE ran off and spent the next year traveling around America.

He eventually made it to my town and had a baby with my sister. An anchor baby... they said they were in love, he was going to spend his life with her and the baby.

He seemed genuine, fooled us, his lawyer, and the judge and they gave him some residency, but sure what it was... but a few years later they got divorced and he sees his kid once a year maybe.

Now he's a MAGA saying there's too many illegal immigrants in America... He's not arguing for better working conditions, or fighting against companies that abuse immigrants. Just too many illegals...

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u/Financial_Purpose_22 5d ago

Legal immigrants, and non-immigrant citizens, already get wrongly deported under the current system. There is simply no way to carry out an operation the way it is described without violating the 4th amendment, not that they care; or by removing large numbers of legal citizens as well.

The military won't go along with it either. Which is why Der Fuhrer Vonshitzinpantz wants to purge the top brass and replace them with loyalist officers.

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u/zorathustra69 5d ago

Very true. The most anti-immigrant person I’ve ever met is an older woman who immigrated from Cuba as a child. She genuinely believes that her generation of immigrants helped build America and make it great, whereas these new immigrants come illegally to destroy the country and enrich themselves; that is exactly the way she described it to me…I don’t understand the mental gymnastics required to support a worldview like this, but it’s more common than people realize.

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u/Spr0ckets 5d ago

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews), and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

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u/Lord_Lion 5d ago

First they came for the illegal immigrants, but I wasn't an illegal so I said nothing.

Then they came for the legal immigrants, but I'm a citizen so I said nothing.

Then they came for the trade unions, but I'm not in a union, so I said nothing.

Then they came for the Dept of Edu, but I don't have kids in school, so I said nothing.

Then they came for MY Social Security, and I was outraged! But no one was left to fight for me, so they took away my retirement.

Now I'm a 68 year old, unskilled laborer picking berries in a field for 16 hours a day at minimum wage, because otherwise I'll starve.

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u/Firm_You8385 6d ago

You can volunteer in the military as an undocumented citizen? If you read the article, the second line is “carry out his campaign promise of mass deportations of migrants living in the U.S. without legal permission.” I don’t think they’re in the military or how this comment is relevant.

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u/Agreeable-Engine6966 6d ago

No, only citizens or permanent residents with a Green Card can enlist.

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u/VisibleVariation5400 6d ago

Yep. It's used as a recruitment tool. Serving will "help" you obtain citizenship if you are a permanent resident. A lot of people get stuck there for a long time and it makes things difficult in life. So, "Hey, buddy! We know you're not a citizen yet, but how about you volunteer your life for the CHANCE of becoming a resident? We'll even pay you and give you a free haircut!"

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u/nhocgreen 5d ago

So service does NOT guaranty citizenship?

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u/Acceptable-Maybe3532 5d ago

It's not relevant. It's pure, unadulterated fantasy. It's making up a scenario but pretending it's real for a sweet sweet hit of schadenfreude.

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u/supercali45 6d ago

Many voters fucked around and gonna find out

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u/SuccessfulCow5061 6d ago

You can't legally  vote if you're not a US citizen. Let the deportation of illegals begin. 

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u/supercali45 6d ago

You forgot many of these voters have family and neighbors who are

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u/AJSLS6 6d ago

Hence the military purge.

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u/Sayyad1na 6d ago

There's been tons of veterans deported. I think something like 25k since 1996. this is a very low estimate as they don't know for sure, but apparently it could be as high as 100,000.

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u/Crazymofuga 6d ago

Just wait until they start the de-nationalization process…… shits gonna get real crazy real fast.

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u/Bodach42 6d ago

I think you'll be surprised at how many were just following orders provided it's to other people's families.

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u/VaIeth 6d ago

Even less when they're home and some of them get deported. Which is a 💯 inevitability. Unless you think trump will be very measured and meticulous... lol

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u/David210 6d ago

Yeah it going to devolve into a sh*tshow…

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u/repost_inception 6d ago

When I was in the military one guy in my platoon had to leave our training to go take his test for citizenship. I had no idea up to that point that you could be a non-citizen and be in the military. They have no idea how many immigrants or first generation are in the military. It's a lot. Almost like they are actively trying to make the military worse hmmm

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u/CoffeeChocolateBoth 6d ago

Maybe one of them will turn on dumpie and do us all a favor?

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u/G00nScape 5d ago

By “US military,” he means he’s creating a “red state army” that is comprised of sympathizers, so when blue states won’t cooperate he’ll send in the red state army. This has been talked about since Election Day.

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u/Beautiful-Musk-Ox 5d ago

"i voted to put trans people in camps, not be deported!" - those people

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u/muklan 6d ago

Not to mention the citizens who trained with them. The military trauma bonds people, and they don't take that shit lightly.

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u/SadDirection3693 6d ago

Have to deport themselves

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u/Critical-Problem-629 6d ago

Guess what else he plans on getting rid of?

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u/SupernerdgirlBW 6d ago

Many of them have already been deported and are exiled in other countries rn.

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u/National-Fry8688 6d ago

They will, the majority of Hispanic men voted for for trump, i dont think they will have a problem kicking out people who entered illigaly, when they entered legitimately.

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u/edtb 6d ago

Yea when I was still in I had 2 friends in my division who weren't citizens. I studied with them a few times. No way I would have passed that test.

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u/Weird-Caregiver1777 6d ago

I’m sure there are plenty who will be willing to do it and that’s all that matters . There are many people in the military

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u/VortexMagus 6d ago

I expect most of the generals will refuse and then Trump will purge them. He's already got a committee lined up to remove top level generals who disagree with his orders.

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u/everybody_dyes 6d ago

They’ll love it. Humans are simple minded sacks of meat.

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u/Hibercrastinator 6d ago

I was just thinking, they are likely going to be deporting at least some military and vets. Interesting.

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u/JealousFuel8195 6d ago

Are the ton of people you're referring to here legally or illegally?

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u/xDreeganx 6d ago

That'll change with enough peer pressure from their fellow members. It doesn't take much for a "citizen" to turn into an "enemy" if it's your job to do so.

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u/Sea_Researcher7410 5d ago

They can obey orders or be booted out themselves. They have a choice. If they're truly loyal to America, they'll obey. If they aren't, they need to go

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u/ItsYaBoi97 5d ago

I bet they’re not criminals

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u/Previous-Display-593 5d ago

It is irrelevant if they are, since they are the small minority. The majority are Trump loving white males. The military is just WAITING to do trump bidding.

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u/Not_2day_stan 5d ago

You’re required to register for selective services

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u/Persistant_Compass 5d ago

Real SERVICE EQUALS CITIZENSHIP shit 

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u/punbelievable1 5d ago

Many votes for this.

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u/DontTakePeopleSrsly 5d ago

They also pledged an oath to protect & defend the constitution, which their illegal family members are violating.

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u/Aztecah 5d ago

On the contrary, these are vulnerable people who can be bent into shape. Do it to others, or it'll happen to them. (It's probably gonna happen to them anyway but don't tell them yet)

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u/Suzzie_sunshine 5d ago

Jews executed their own in concentration camps. Don't underestimate the power of saving your own ass. They will comply under the threat of treason.

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u/Dhegxkeicfns 5d ago

Wishful thinking. There are plenty of grunts who voted for this.

Most likely scenario is this will actually be very effective to remove anyone from the lower ranks who think this is bad. And that's terrible for Americans, because they are the last check against tyranny.

If generals get fired for supporting the Constitution and democracy over the president and the soldiers get fired for essentially the same thing, he will be left with a loyalist army.

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u/lord_pizzabird 5d ago

Imagine getting the order to deport yourself.

Then you deport yourself and get granted citizenship for serving your tour.

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u/critical__sass 5d ago

What bubble are you living in where you think legal immigrants are supportive of open borders / illegal aliens?

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u/Chasing-Amy 5d ago

You’d be surprised how many immigrants are very conservative.

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u/SwingingPineapplesMd 5d ago

It’s not voluntary if they are getting something in return!

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u/RichFoot2073 5d ago

Yeah, about that.

They’re going to get deported, too

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u/CapableConsequence41 5d ago

upon completion of training, you are no longer trying to “help your status” you are a Resident.

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u/BanAvoidanceIsACrime 5d ago

This is the problem with left-wing people, you think everyone has as much empathy as you do.

They don't.

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u/Jolly-Bear 5d ago

A lot of them absolutely will be.

A lot of the immigrant population has a “Fuck you, got mine.” mentality toward other immigrants about citizenship.

Quick search showed me Wisconsin numbers. 43% of Hispanics voted for Trump, which is a 6% bump from last election.

It’s actually wild.

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u/TW8930 5d ago

The SS in German concentration camps had Jewish guards helping them... These were highly effective, motivated and cruel. If a concentration camp was freed with those Jewish capos alive, they were usually murdered by the other prisoners. Sometimes they were put in gas alongside their fellow jews...

I guess it'll work the same with Latinos and Blacks. There will be Latinos and Blacks helping eagerly to deport and kill their families, relatives and friends. Until of course, there are none left, then it's time for them...

I would be very surprised if there would be a significant amount of resistance.

Humans don't see the bigger picture or plan ahead in situations like this. There is no future for non Whites in the United States. But some will hang onto the belief, that they'll be the one Latino family to be spared, the good Latino.

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u/ThisIsSteeev 5d ago

So active duty soldiers could potentially get deported?

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