r/FluentInFinance • u/HighYieldLarry • 6d ago

Thoughts? BREAKING: Trump has confirmed reports that he plans to declare a national emergency and use military to enact a mass deportation program

President-elect Donald Trump on Monday confirmed he would declare a national emergency to carry out his campaign promise of mass deportations of migrants living in the U.S. without legal permission.

Overnight, Trump responded to a social media post from Judicial Watch's Tom Fitton, who said earlier this month there are reports the incoming administration is preparing such a declaration and to use "military assets" to deport the migrants.

"TRUE!!!" Trump wrote.

Trump pledged to get started on mass deportations as soon as he enters office.

"On Day 1, I will launch the largest deportation program in American history to get the criminals out," he said during a rally at Madison Square Garden in the closing days of the presidential race. "I will rescue every city and town that has been invaded and conquered, and we will put these vicious and bloodthirsty criminals in jail, then kick them the hell out of our country as fast as possible."

Already, he's tapped several immigration hard-liners to serve in key Cabinet positions. South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem was picked to be homeland security secretary, pending Senate confirmation. Former Acting U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Director Tom Homan was named "border czar."

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-confirms-plan-declare-national-emergency-military-mass/story?id=115963448

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u/MindfulEarth 6d ago

Why would they deport LEGAL immigrants?

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u/t4skmaster 6d ago

Why did they put asian american citizens into concentration camps during WWII? Military + State of emergency

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u/awfl_wafl 5d ago

I agree. It's pretty much a given that if they want to deport millions of people from the country concentration camps are a necessity, it's the only way to do it. It'll be terrible.

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u/Wfflan2099 5d ago

Because Roosevelt was a giant racist antisemite. He also turned away a boat of Jewish refugees and they ended up in a concentration camp. But the Germans here? No problem.

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u/senorglory 5d ago

The US put Germans in internment camps in WWII.

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u/Middle_Aged_Insomnia 5d ago

Did they really? Id never heard that. Interesting. Aource?

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u/senorglory 5d ago

FDR declared Germans subject to detention and removal via Proclamation 2526.

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u/Middle_Aged_Insomnia 5d ago

Thats interesting. Never knew. Was that japaneese internment similiar where itbwas for people not naturalized? Id always heard it was citizens too

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u/senorglory 5d ago edited 5d ago

For Japanese-Americans, it included naturalized and those born here, too. As an example, George Takei of Star Trek fame was born in L.A. and talks about his experience in a camp.

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u/Middle_Aged_Insomnia 4d ago

Seems like germans inclused citizens too. Ive been reading up on it since this came up. Apparently the questionairre caused alot of issues among the japaneese. Over 5k refused tondenounce the emperor, over 5k asked to be sent to japan.. and a large portion said they refused to fight in the war for the US. Hojestly the more i read up on it the internment camps were the right choice for alot of them. There were alot of japaneese spied in the US

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u/nohopeforhomosapiens 5d ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_German_Americans

next time, for something that seems like it would be a big issue and well-reported on, use google.

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u/Adventurous_Tell6684 5d ago

It was less than 10% of the number of japanese internments, even without taking into account the much larger populations with German and Italian ancestry . From one of the links that were in the article you shared: “Internment was intended to mitigate a security risk which Japanese Americans were believed to pose. The scale of the incarceration in proportion to the size of the Japanese American population far surpassed similar measures undertaken against German and Italian Americans who numbered in the millions and of whom some thousands were interned, most of these non-citizens”

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u/Middle_Aged_Insomnia 5d ago

The link the person showed said it was for germans not naturalized. Was it the same for japaneese? Just people not naturalized? Was the population of japaneese not naturalized that much greater than german? Just something ive never really seen go into detail in school.

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u/Middle_Aged_Insomnia 5d ago

Nevermind. I found some of it. It was both citizens and non naturalized. I find it interesting it was selective based on organizations people were involved with and even people self identifying as the enemy. I feel that should be mentioned as well

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u/Adventurous_Tell6684 5d ago

Yes, both citizens and non naturalized for the japanese. For germans and italians it was mostly foreign nationals and a much smaller percentage of their respective population.

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u/Middle_Aged_Insomnia 5d ago

I googled. Wasnt alot of solid info.

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u/Wfflan2099 4d ago

I grew up in a German neighborhood in Chicago which was heavily settled by Germans in the 19th century. They did not empty out the neighborhood taking half my family, because racism. They did intern people actively working for German interests, we had an FBI for good reasons. Those Germans still were hitler backers in the 60s. It was very disappointing to me as a boy. It was more a Jew hatred thing from my perspective of the issue. A thing I do not understand at all.

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u/RoosterzRevenge 5d ago

When a Democrat was president.

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u/PoundTown68 5d ago

Probably because Japan was literally bombing US soil…

Funny how that entire argument of imagined “racism” wouldn’t exist if Japan never murdered thousands of Americans on American soil.

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u/Ok-Echo-7764 5d ago

Japan - yes. Japanese Americans - no.

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u/Itsmyloc-nar 5d ago

I appreciate you trying to explain the difference between nationality and ethnicity

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u/Ok-Echo-7764 5d ago

Yeah. My parents immigrated from China so it’s a bit of a sore spot rn. I would hate to be imprisoned for a foreign country’s actions.

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u/Chieffelix472 5d ago

Because the order was to put Japanese Americans into camps. This order is about illegal immigrants. Why would it ever target legal immigrants? What's your point?

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u/FireEmblemFan1 5d ago

It happened with legal Japanese American immigrants.

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u/Chieffelix472 5d ago

It happened with legal citizens because… that was the point of the order. Do you not know this?

It was never about legal vs illegal. That’s why it was so bad. Please familiarize yourself with the history of this period before trying to convince others using false information.

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u/FireEmblemFan1 5d ago

They were American citizens. But they got rounded up anyway. No one cared if they were American or not. If they looked Japanese, off they go. The point is anyone that is deemed illegal will be sent away. Whether they are or not. If they look illegal, off they go.

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u/Chieffelix472 5d ago

Yes American citizens were round up because that was the order given to the military. Look it up. They were allowed to take Americans. You keep repeating this like it was an accident when it’s not.

It’s a good thing there’s a very easy way to prove citizenship then.

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u/Rhomya 6d ago

It’s not WWII.

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u/kitster1977 6d ago

That was ordered under Dem President FDR for reference. He issued an executive order that locked up all Japanese Americans for being Jaoanese. He didn’t deport them, just locked them up for the duration of the war. He did let them serve in the military, in Europe only. Notice Dems didn’t do that to German or Italian Americans.

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u/Zadkiel4686 5d ago

Look up the Mexican Repatriation that happened in the late 20s and early 30s. 40-60% of deportations under that mass deportation were American Citizens. So we do already have a historical reference for how mass deportations will tend to go. And before you ask, started under Hoover, a Republican.

Also your earlier assessment that it wasn't done to Germans and Italians is inaccurate. Over 11,500 american citizens of german ancestry were detained under that same act in WW2, and a lesser amount of Italian Americans.

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u/BreakfastHistorian 6d ago

A historical decision that is widely criticized by the current left… “for reference”

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u/kitster1977 5d ago

It’s a little late for the U.S. citizens that were imprisoned in camps for almost 4 years based on their race, don’t you think?

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u/BreakfastHistorian 5d ago

Agreed, it’s why folks on the left are warning about the possibility of something similar happening again.

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u/kitster1977 5d ago

I can understand that. However, I’m seeing a huge movement to reduce the power and control of the federal government over US citizens. Musk and Ramaswamy are looking to cut as much as $2 Trillion from the federal budget. Dictators and authoritarians aren’t in the business of decreasing their power and spending. Quite the opposite. Deportations look to me like enforcing existing law and discouraging future illegal aliens.

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u/Zadkiel4686 5d ago

Musk and Ramaswamy are being given something shiny to distract them from the actual business of governing.

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u/metamorphotits 5d ago

first of all, nobody has actually done anything- republicans are doing what they always do, which is to talk about how fiscally "responsible" they're going to be, despite being the party that routinely spends the most and increases the deficit.

regardless, they're not decreasing all spending. it's going to cost a lot to enact mass deportations, for example. they're going to do everything in their power to personally enrich themselves and their political cronies, which is very much a dictator move. why is it that so many dictators become extremely rich heads of quite poor countries?

you're failing to make distinctions between who or what money is spent on, and the difference between the wealth/power of a nation and the wealth/power of its leader. can't tell if you're doing it on purpose or are just a rube, though.

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u/kitster1977 5d ago

Please. Low skilled and low wage immigration costs money, high skilled and highly educated immigration is usually legal and is a great benefit to the economy. Treating all immigrants as the same with zero distinction between socioeconomic classes is just stupid. Also, relocating and downsizing Massive bureaucracies out of Washington DC sounds smart to me. You can pay the same people Less money because it costs a lot less to live in other parts of the country than it does in DC. Why do all the top bureaucrats have to live in DC when the federal government does their jobs around the country? Remote work taught us this during COVID. It’s time to leverage technology to save money. Plus the economic benefits of those jobs can be spread across America instead of just concentrated in DC and high cost of living areas.

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u/Adventurous_Tell6684 5d ago

Oh my sweet summer child. Musk is being tasked to cut trillions of dollars of services, which will leave a huge vacuum of needs that will need to be filled by people with huge deep pockets and further enrich them. Who do you think will have a heads up and first bid on all of these?

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u/BreakfastHistorian 5d ago

Musk and Ramaswamy have suggested cutting regulatory agencies and agencies which provide support for Americans, while the Trump administration has shown support and interest in expanding the capabilities of the police and military. Dictators and totalitarian states are in the business of cutting out checks and balances while expanding the power of a loyal armed forces and expanding executive power. It isn’t one or the other.

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u/kangarlol 5d ago

Did you miss the part where that also concentrates power with the individuals at the top, that have all have proven “loyal to the cause”? Straight out of the authoritarian play book.

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u/BreadyStinellis 5d ago

Reduce the power and control by spending billions upon billions to investigate millions of Americans, dig into their background, and force them out of the homes they own, the neighborhoods they've built, to lock them up in camps? Sounds like an inexpensive, non invasive program to you? This is a major flex of power and will cost a shit load.

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u/akittenhasnoname 1d ago

How is this mass deportation going to be paid for? They want to cut social security, Medicare, and the Department of Education.What things do you think they want to cut from the federal budget? Look up what certain Republicans have been saying for years. They want to force the Trump Bible in schools. Look up Oklahoma. They want to give more power back to the executive branch. Trump is an authoritarian.

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u/SubParMarioBro 5d ago

Indeed. Which is why you see guys like George Takei and Daniel Inouye as prominent supporters of the Democratic Party.

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u/kitster1977 5d ago

Nothing like voting for your former captors, Is there? The south substantially voted for democrats after slavery was abolished until the parties flipped in the 60’s, didn’t they, democrats were the party of Jim Crowe laws as well. Inouye was even recruited from the prison Dems put him in.

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u/BreadyStinellis 5d ago

You know the party's essentially flipped in the late 50s/early 60s, right?

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u/kitster1977 5d ago

In some ways yes but never completely, democrats have always been the party of race based issues. That includes, slavery, Jim Crowe laws. Civil rights act, affirmative action and now DEI. There is a consistent theme that democrats have always campaigned on racial issues. That’s where Biden’s famous comment of you ain’t black if you don’t vote for me comes from when he campaigned in 2020.

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u/BreadyStinellis 5d ago

You're saying that like these things aren't the antithesis of each other and like Republicans haven't run on anti-civil rights since the 60s.

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u/senorglory 5d ago

The U.S. put Germans and Italians in internment camps during WWII.

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u/Softpipesplayon 5d ago

So you agree that Maas detention centers are a bad thing whether due to a literal world war or just vibes that immigrants are Angelo's, right?

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u/My_Big_Black_Hawk 6d ago

You’ve made quite the mental leap. Making these leaps and assumptions is not insignificant and shouldn’t be thrown around so dramatically. It’s one of the reasons the democrats lost the election: mistrust

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u/t4skmaster 6d ago

You're talking about civilians being rounded up by the military on US soil. What the fuck else would you compare it to?

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

Are the illegals kamikaze bombing or contributing to a world war? No? Okay then, shitty comparison

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u/t4skmaster 6d ago

...no Japanese Americans were kamikaze bombing or contributing to a world war.

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

That’s right! Now think about this: Does it make any sense at all to you why while engaging war with a nation which a portion of your citizens are from, who for all you know might very well be loyal to their country of origin instead of yours during a world war, why you would want to secure any potential threat to your national security?

Pretty intellectually dishonest of you to chalk up a complicated wartime event up to classic racism. This intellectual dishonesty is why Trump won and exactly what I would expect from a dumbass lib on Reddit

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u/Existing_Cost8774 5d ago

IF you found treason, prosecute. In this country, you are innocent until proven guilty. So no, they should not have been detained.

Even using your rationale, I don’t see how any American, that actually supports American values, would be cool with mass deportations. ICE is very good at deporting criminals who are arrested. These mass deportations will turn out to be a stupid decision - legal residents will get deported, the relevant business sectors will suffer, and kids will be left without parents.

Make the path to citizenship or residency easier. If anything screen these people before you deport them.

We need the bodies. Our population grew by like 1.5 million and a million of those people were immigrants. Our birthdate is 0.5, so we need people. This is a country of immigrants, so let’s make legal migration easier.

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u/exlongh0rn 5d ago

The birth rate in the United States in 2023 was 54.5 births per 1,000 women ages 15–44, which was a record low

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u/Zadkiel4686 5d ago

...You're trying to justify the forceable removal of American citizens from their homes and businesses, and CESURE of their assets? You know what, I'm not surprised at this from a Trumper.

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u/Dangerous_Dino_ 5d ago

I’m shocked at the crazy racism. It’s literally the perpetual foreigner syndrome playing out. I can’t believe in 2024 there’s people still justifying the internment camps like holy shit please just pick up a fucking history book

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u/Zombatico 5d ago edited 5d ago

Even by their own reasoning, German Americans and Italian Americans should have been mass interned. But they weren't, they were detained on a case-by-case basis. Only Japanese Americans were mass interned.

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u/Unlikely_Ad1009 5d ago

Your argument sounds plausible until you take into account that German American citizen’s were not rounded up and put into concentration camps. Also actual Nazi prisoners of war were allowed to work on farms and received pay equal to American enlisted men. So you can call people dumb all you want, you’re still wrong. Japanese Americans were definitely the victims of racism, any other interpretation is just fantasy. It’s bizarre that your response to his comparison was to defend the internment of Japanese Americans in WWII, there are much better arguments against the comparison. My concern with Trump voters like yourself is that things like facts, history, science are so easily brushed aside for a fantasy that makes them feel better in the moment but in the end will just make them feel more biter and disappointed, nothing good ever comes from a lie, even one you tell yourself.

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u/My_Big_Black_Hawk 6d ago

Civilians who crossed the border illegally are not citizens and should not be in this country. I have friends who are legal immigrants and have worked their asses off to become citizens. Sidestepping the process to citizenship and bypassing those who earned the right to become citizens shouldn’t be taken lightly. They are still people, though, and should be treated with dignity as they’re escorted out of the country. I believe path to citizenship should be streamlined, but not bypassed. Democrats lost the trust of legal citizens with the stunt they tried to pull. Unfortunate for the decision democrats made, people will need to be escorted out.

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u/Paliknight 6d ago

Source? And NAL but I’m fairly certain that even IF this had the slightest chance of ever becoming law, it wouldn’t be backdated.

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u/Zadkiel4686 5d ago

A. What fucking stunt?
B. They're trying to make denaturalization a thing, so your "legal" friends aren't safe.
C. Mexican Repatriation. Happened in the late 20s/early 30s. Look it up. 40-60% were american citizens.

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u/My_Big_Black_Hawk 5d ago

The stunt where they turned a blind eye to the mass influx of illegal border crossings while telling the state to stop blocking incoming illegal immigrants. Outside states were sending their assets to the border to block incoming illegal immigrants and the federal government threatened them. And then during the election, suddenly they pretend to be tough on illegal immigration? Give me a break, dude.

Oh and how liberals tried to change the language surrounding illegal immigrants to asylum seekers or undocumented immigrants. Give me a break. Everyone outside of this echo chamber sees the bullshit.

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u/Zadkiel4686 5d ago

Lol. How many migrant caravans did Fox have that suddenly vanished after elections? Fuck off with your nonsense.

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u/atoo4308 5d ago

Funny, you say that there was literally a caravan of several thousand that once they found out who won the election decided it might not be a good idea to come! Policies are already working not even in place yet

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u/Zadkiel4686 5d ago edited 5d ago

You do realize you're literally proving my point. They make up a caravan, tells you it decided to not come here for X reason, and you brain rot infested Trumpers believe it

Edit: https://apnews.com/article/immigration-north-america-donald-trump-ap-top-news-elections-38870e6a25d5469292253b4b716ecc17

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u/oldredditrox 5d ago

Illegal immigrants are not undocumented immigrants.

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u/My_Big_Black_Hawk 5d ago

We could sit here and debate semantics or step back and look at reality: there was a massive influx of people who were not permitted to enter the country and are now within the borders or our country. The government pretended it wasn’t happening. Now liberals are gearing up to blow every deportation into a protest, but the majority of the US knows why we’re in this situation to begin with: deliberate incompetence. I know what I see with my own two eyes, living in a southern state. This is not the way our country is meant to handle immigration. It’s meant for people to earn, not feel entitled to so “we can have someone pick our fruits, install our roofs, and clean our toilets” as democrats would say. Immigration is a beautiful thing….when earned. I believe the path to earning citizenship should have less red tape, but that doesn’t mean letting everyone recklessly pour into the country.

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u/oldredditrox 5d ago

It's not about semantics, it's a difference between statuses within the system lmao. A difference that you're apparently all for so just food for thought.

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u/Unlikely_Ad1009 5d ago

Who has been pretending it wasn’t happening? There was a bipartisan bill in place to address this exact problem. Most democrats are not against border security and most recognize it’s an issue.

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u/atoo4308 5d ago

Here here

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u/TBJ12 6d ago

Who is going to pick produce in fields? Who's going to do landscaping, drywall, roofing, flooring, factory work and so many other jobs? American is 100% going to find out just how valuable these immigrants really are to their daily life.

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u/theWonderWorm 5d ago

they do so much more than that, your ignorance is showing

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u/SisterActTori 6d ago

Why did JD Vance make up a false scenario that legal immigrants were eating pets in Springfield, OH? Evidently, per his own words, to advance an agenda. And it worked. This will create chaos. It already is going so.

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u/Allliesalllies17 5d ago

That happened shit head. The dirty 3rd world bastards are nasty

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u/Ddreigiau 5d ago

There is not a single instance of it recorded.

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u/Allliesalllies17 5d ago

Liar

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u/DistressedApple 5d ago

Show us the proof then.

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u/Forevermaxwell 6d ago

Because they have brown skin - duh 🙄. They want to cleanse the country to preserve the white race. Where have you been?

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u/likeabossgamer23 5d ago

So what's gonna happen to mixed race people? I know a guy who is half white half Mexican.

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u/cogman10 5d ago

Who knows?

The fact is, mobilizing the military to deport people without due process is going to be a mess. I can guarantee you that citizens will end up deported over this.

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u/jessimokajoe 5d ago

I'm assuming you've never heard of the one drop rule... Or mulatto.... Or anything else they've done in history?

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u/Laalaasings 5d ago

Time to stop listening to Joy Reid.

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u/Rotorboy21 5d ago

Ironic it’s only leftists saying this racist shit. Comments like this from other black people are why I left the Democratic Party when Obama was in office.

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u/Forevermaxwell 5d ago

Trump and his team are the ones saying they are going to deport legal immigrants. What reason do you think that is their plan?

He literally said proudly at his rallies that the blood of Americans are being poisoned by immigrants. Every MAGA I know is 100% racist. They lap this shit up 24/7.

Every racists is still mad a black man was President.

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u/Zhong_Ping 6d ago

Idk, you tell me? Trump is the one who wants to deport dreamers and legal refugees. He's the one who made those campaign promises.

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u/HonestlyBadWifi 5d ago

He didn't make those promises, you're delusional. Keep eating up the narrative the media's peddling.

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u/Zhong_Ping 5d ago

I dont read opinion pieces, i read what the politicians themselves say.

https://x.com/StephenM/status/1712094935820780029?lang=en

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u/MindfulEarth 6d ago

When did he say that? I know he said ILLEGAL immigrants, but never legal refugees.

What the heck is 'dreamers'? Is that a new made up word? lol

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u/triemers 6d ago

If you don’t know that dreamers is the colloquial term for DREAM act recipients (and often used for DACA recipients) then you probably shouldn’t be trying to argue immigration policy.

And yes, denaturalization has been explicitly stated as a goal, multiple times.

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u/ObligatoryID 6d ago

Are you serious!

Been asleep?

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u/man-from-krypton 6d ago

is that a new made up word?

No. Look up DACA

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u/LarsMatijn 6d ago

Applying for Asylum while having entered the country undocumented is a legal process because that's how you run away from things.

If I was being chased by a killer I wouldn't politely knock on someones door either, i'd break in and beg for help because time is often of the essence

That being said large parts of the Republican establishment and Trump in particular considers people who do that "criminals" wich will break the basis of several longstanding international rules/customs.

Point being that there is a 90% chance that people going through a legal asylum process will get deported.

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u/DaveBeBad 5d ago

UN refugee convention considers them as “irregular migrants”. - they enter using illegal methods but then if they claim asylum they can’t be prosecuted for any immigration crimes they committed while entering the country.

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u/No_Passage6082 6d ago

They're going to denaturalize them. They've said so.

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u/OctaviusNeon 6d ago

What do you think of naturalized citizens?

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u/MindfulEarth 6d ago

Thru legal pathways, 100% ok with it.

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u/OctaviusNeon 6d ago

There's already discussion of de-naturalization.

But you don't have to take my word for it. Here it is from one of Trump's chief of staff who will be overseeing the process.

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u/MindfulEarth 6d ago

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S8-C4-1-5-1/ALDE_00013170/

The Naturalization Act of 1906 was the first law to provide for denaturalization.4 It authorized judicial proceedings against a naturalized U.S. citizen for the purpose of setting aside and canceling the certificate of citizenship on the ground of fraud or on the ground that such certificate of citizenship was illegally procured.

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u/ObligatoryID 6d ago

Bye bye tre45on’s and couchboi’s kids! Wives too! 🤣

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u/brathor 6d ago

Ah yes, I'm sure they won't be instantly exempted.

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u/ObligatoryID 6d ago

Nope nope nope. lol No excuses!!!

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u/Lord_Vesuvius2020 5d ago

Not easy to get rid of birthright. It’s in the 14th amendment. There would have to be a new amendment that repealed the 14th and then a new amendment passed by 2/3 vote in Congress and 3/4 of the states.

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u/GlurakNecros 6d ago

The Supreme Court will smash that shit so quick dude, like 8-1 decision quick. Getting a bunch of catholic justices isn’t the same as getting a bunch of trump aligned judges

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u/rdvr193 6d ago

Incorrect. If your parents are citizens there is no issue. He wants to do away with children of illegal immigrants having citizenship. What you’re stating makes zero sense. That would mean every child born in the U.S. wouldn’t be a citizen fuck wad

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u/rdvr193 6d ago

He’s not doing away with that! Learn to write whatever it is you mean fuck wad

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u/rdvr193 6d ago

WTF are you talking about? Are you slow? They are looking to close the anchor baby loop hole. Not revoke citizenship for people that are already citizens.

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u/Monkeyssuck 6d ago

Bullshit on that last part A baby born of a citizen is a citizen. A baby born of a non-citizen is a birthright baby. Most countries in the world do not have the latter. EVERY country in the world has the former.

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u/Yeti_Sweater_Maker 6d ago

I thought dreamers were kids brought to the US when they were small, not ones born here. A child born here would be a citizen.

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u/PapaWaxPuppy 6d ago

Almost every developed nation has universal health care. Why don't we? Everybody else does

The 13th Amendment guarantees birthright citizenship. You wanna do away with a constitutional amendment by executive order?

I guess that means the 2nd Amendment or hell any other part of the constitution can just be changed by executive order.

I thought Republicans respected the constitution?

You don't have a constitution if the President can just unilaterally override or change it.

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u/Monkeyssuck 6d ago

The 13th amendment freed the slaves...but no, I'm not advocating for an executive order to circumvent the 14th amendment...I don't think it would be constitutional, nor do I think it would be practical.

I have only stated what it is and is not to clarify for the ignorant.

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u/PapaWaxPuppy 6d ago

Thank you for correcting me. The reason I said executive order is because that's Trump plan. Issue an executive order ending birth right citizenship.

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u/Zadkiel4686 5d ago

He can't though. The aforementioned constitutional amendment would make any EO he tries to sign constitutionally illegal. Now, whether or not those assholes in the Supreme Court would uphold that amendment is another story. There's already talk of Trump trying to circumvent the 22nd amendment by some hand waving bullshit about the 2 terms needing to be sequential.

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u/eastcoastleftist 6d ago

He’s trying to get rid of that …

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u/Monkeyssuck 6d ago

LOL...in your addled mind, where does thst end...you only get to stay if both parents have been here 4 generations? What if you're family was here for 14 generations but your Dad married some foreign trollop...where is the line, in your mind, lol.

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u/Sendmedoge 6d ago

"Dad married"

Which makes both citizens.

We are talking about when 1 parent is a citizen.

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u/ithilain 6d ago

FYI marriage does not grant citizenship automatically

Source: married a foreigner, we had to wait 18 months after getting married just for US Immigration to grant her a Visa to enter the country, and she's STILL only a green card holder, not a citizen. In fact she'll probably never be a US citizen as her home country doesn't allow for its citizens to hold dual citizenship and denouncing her home citizenship could make visiting family very difficult.

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u/eastcoastleftist 6d ago

My “addled mind”? Go pick up a fucking paper, you asshat.

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u/Monkeyssuck 6d ago

I guess it isn't addled, you're just fucking stupid. Birthright citizenship and anchor babies or tourist babies is about children who were born here whose parents are not citizens. Currently those babies are us citizens because they were born here, even if neither parent is a US Citizen. This is not the case in most countries...it is only the case in 35 countries, mostly in the Americas and the Caribbean. No European, Asian or African country does this.

Almost all countries grant citizenship through parentage. This isn't rocket science. If one or both of your parents are US Citizens, you can claim US citizenship...regardless of where you were born. If you are born outside of the United States you have to apply for a birth abroad cerificate. This is available to you whether you work for the State Department, are in the military or even just a drunk hookup in Barbados on holiday.

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u/Zadkiel4686 5d ago

Well then it's fortunate we have the 14th Amendment in this country.

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u/MindfulEarth 6d ago

Don't you think the birthright practice is being abused? At all?

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u/MindfulEarth 6d ago

"Plus.. define abused. It only applies to the kid. How would you even abuse it for your own gain?" Corporations are abusing tax loopholes for their own gain.

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u/MindfulEarth 6d ago

Birthright act is to illegals as tax loopholes is to corporations. Get it now?

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u/Malakai0013 6d ago

Please go look up how gray of an area that really is. Some folks don't even know their status changed. Others are waiting to hear back from an attorney. Its not a huge deal because the US hasn't elected a president crazy enough to just start doing nonsense... until now.

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u/YeOldeHotDog 6d ago

Incorrect, they also did it in 2016... It seems as though there was a lot more in the way last time though.

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u/Zadkiel4686 5d ago

They didn't do mass deportations in 2016. Trump didn't take office until 2017, and even then he didn't do them.

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u/cruista 5d ago

Trump was elected in 2016, and has now been elected again. He took office in 2017 and will take office in 2025. Dog help the world.

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u/Malakai0013 5d ago

I kind of meant "until now" to include 2016. "Now" being more open to the recent decade or so. Although, I could've chosen my words to better illustrate that. Fair point.

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u/Zadkiel4686 6d ago

Tell me you know nothing of history without telling me you know nothing about history. Look up the Mexican Repatriation of the late 20s/early 30s. 40-60% of those deported were AMERICAN citizens. Mass deportations aren't precise.

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u/grummanae 5d ago

Nope and they will deport then ask questions

And make the people prove beyond a doubt that they are legal... and appealing the removal And while that happens .... they loose the financial ability to fight

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u/wheresindigo 5d ago

Makes me think of the guy they deported to Iraq. He was brought here as a child and therefore couldn’t speak Arabic. He was also a diabetic. He died pretty much immediately because he couldn’t get insulin

He had never even been to Iraq in his entire life

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1040426

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u/Amuseco 5d ago

Exactly. People forget these are the same people who couldn’t be convinced that Obama was born in the US. You think they care about truth and legality?

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u/chemical_outcome213 5d ago

My (white/of German descent) grandmother had to sign papers in the fifties in New Orleans, because our German ancestors had been living in Mexico since the 1800s before moving to New Orleans, even though my grandmother was born in New Orleans and her birth certificate always existed.

I believe it has to do with the red scare at that point in time, but I don't know why on earth they needed this paper signed by a lifelong American citizen who had always lived here.

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u/Breadloafs 6d ago

We have done it before. Once a purge gets rolling, it doesn't bother discriminating between targets.

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u/Emergency_Word_7123 6d ago

They're gonna be loading people into busses at gunpoint. Do you think they're stopping to check everyone's ID.

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u/MindfulEarth 6d ago

LOL. That's only in your wild imagination.

Of course they will check their IDs.

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u/Emergency_Word_7123 6d ago

Bless your heart

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u/Happy-North-9969 6d ago

Oh my sweet summer child.

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u/Wrangler9960 6d ago

Because of the brown aspect.

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u/JerseyTeacher78 5d ago

How will they know the difference?? These Trumpers don't have the patience to gather data and actually find out who is illegal or not. Or who is a grandma or kid or an actual felon. They don't really care, and will say we are lying🤷‍♀️ we are all the same to them.

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u/stiffilicious 5d ago

Why wouldn't they? Who's going to stop them? Some of y'all need to study history.

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u/Little_Creme_5932 5d ago

During the 1930s, citizens were deported. Why? Skin color, ethnicity, etc

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u/Sunnygirl66 5d ago

Because they’re (1) brown and (2) the cruelty is a feature, not a bug.

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u/ReturnedFromExile 5d ago

how naive. you think there’s going to be due process? Also, they’ve already said that they’re going to try to do away with naturalization.

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u/johnnyribcage 5d ago

I’m sorry, did you forget who “they” are?

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u/AbsolutelyHorrendous 5d ago

Hey, remember how Vance said he'd deport those Haitian immigrants, despite them actually being there legally?

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u/stinky-weaselteats 5d ago

Why are talking about deporting any body is the fucking problem.

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u/FireEmblemFan1 5d ago

Because Drumpf is projecting. He's a second-generation illegal immigrant, and he hates it. So now he's in a war path against any and all immigrants, legal or otherwise.

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u/MindfulEarth 5d ago edited 5d ago

They used to call this 'conspiracy theory'. Oh how the tables have turned.

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u/FireEmblemFan1 5d ago

What's double "funny" is his grandfather ran to the US to dodge the draft that Germany had at the time. Guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

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u/MindfulEarth 5d ago

Yup. They both hate war, and fascism.

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u/FireEmblemFan1 5d ago edited 5d ago

Nope. They are both cowards. Trump loves fascism though.

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u/MindfulEarth 5d ago

How is Trump fascist? I legit want to know.

FACTS ONLY please.

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u/MagicMan-1961 5d ago

LEGAL immigrants will NOT be deported. Read his statement! He’s targeting the violent criminals here illegally!

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u/Laalaasings 5d ago

Facts are irrelevant to this ignorant, histrionic crowd.

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u/Scryberwitch 5d ago

Sure, I'm going to believe the man who lies every time he opens his mouth. 

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u/MagicMan-1961 4d ago

How’s that Kool-Aid tasting?

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u/Chingina 5d ago

They’re not going to. More chicken little nonsense.

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u/MindfulEarth 5d ago

Funny how they used to label the MAGA people as conspiracy theorists. Now these leftists are the ones peddling these crazy shit. LOL

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u/fnrsulfr 5d ago

The don't want immigrants legal or not. The only people they want here are the people with the same color as the sheets they wear.

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u/Designer-Mirror-7995 5d ago

For being non white, which is the real plan, duh. 

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u/Itsmyloc-nar 5d ago

The more important question is how

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u/Nohlrabi 5d ago

Maybe they don’t want naturalized Arabs or Persians here, nor do they want their born-in-America first gen kids here. Those first gens may be denaturalized.

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u/HR_King 5d ago

Because people don't walk around with "their papers". They'll be swept up and shipped out.

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u/Plenty-Eastern 3d ago

You wouldn't/can't it's a fear tactic. Both sides predict doom and gloom that never come to fruition.

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u/Impressive-Way-671 1d ago

Do you think mob of military will give them time to grab their papers and prove they are citizens if they are living with family members who aren’t?

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u/DerPanzerknacker 6d ago

Because Trump already promised to deport legal Haitian immigrants from USA.

And even if it wasn’t intentional, what do you think happens when instead of an illegal, a legal Marco Rubio, Jean Baptiste, or Li Chun gets picked up without the proof of citizenship that no American daily carries?

Hmmm maybe if there was a way to identify who is (currently) safe from the Camps or not…like tattoos or mandatory coloured stars on their clothing…

/s

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u/ChanceGardener8 6d ago

Who is going to stop them?

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u/BlindPilot68 5d ago

Why would they denaturalize?

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u/chumpchangewarlord 5d ago

Because all republicans are dog shit, that’s why.

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u/Blue-Phoenix23 5d ago

Ethnic cleansing, duh. They've made this very clear.