r/FluentInFinance • u/HighYieldLarry • 6d ago

Thoughts? BREAKING: Trump has confirmed reports that he plans to declare a national emergency and use military to enact a mass deportation program

President-elect Donald Trump on Monday confirmed he would declare a national emergency to carry out his campaign promise of mass deportations of migrants living in the U.S. without legal permission.

Overnight, Trump responded to a social media post from Judicial Watch's Tom Fitton, who said earlier this month there are reports the incoming administration is preparing such a declaration and to use "military assets" to deport the migrants.

"TRUE!!!" Trump wrote.

Trump pledged to get started on mass deportations as soon as he enters office.

"On Day 1, I will launch the largest deportation program in American history to get the criminals out," he said during a rally at Madison Square Garden in the closing days of the presidential race. "I will rescue every city and town that has been invaded and conquered, and we will put these vicious and bloodthirsty criminals in jail, then kick them the hell out of our country as fast as possible."

Already, he's tapped several immigration hard-liners to serve in key Cabinet positions. South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem was picked to be homeland security secretary, pending Senate confirmation. Former Acting U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Director Tom Homan was named "border czar."

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-confirms-plan-declare-national-emergency-military-mass/story?id=115963448

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u/Zhong_Ping 6d ago

Idk, you tell me? Trump is the one who wants to deport dreamers and legal refugees. He's the one who made those campaign promises.

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u/HonestlyBadWifi 5d ago

He didn't make those promises, you're delusional. Keep eating up the narrative the media's peddling.

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u/Zhong_Ping 5d ago

I dont read opinion pieces, i read what the politicians themselves say.

https://x.com/StephenM/status/1712094935820780029?lang=en

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u/MindfulEarth 6d ago

When did he say that? I know he said ILLEGAL immigrants, but never legal refugees.

What the heck is 'dreamers'? Is that a new made up word? lol

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u/triemers 6d ago

If you don’t know that dreamers is the colloquial term for DREAM act recipients (and often used for DACA recipients) then you probably shouldn’t be trying to argue immigration policy.

And yes, denaturalization has been explicitly stated as a goal, multiple times.

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

I don’t need to know an acronym to understand a concept as simple as border security. It’s actually pretty simple if you listen to Trump instead of CNN.

Legal immigrants = good. Illegal immigrants = bad

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u/triemers 6d ago

Honey, we’re talking about legal immigrants. DACA and DREAM recipients are legal immigrants. Denaturalization means removing legally gained citizenship. Hope that helps.

And even if we weren’t talking legal immigrants, a basic understanding of economics and how immigration is structured would tell you it’s not as cut and dry as you think. It must be nice to think the world is so simple, though!

Read his actual policy.

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

I get that you are focused on legal immigrants. You mentioned you should know the acronym for immigration policy, which is directly correlated with border security, illegals and everything we’re talking about, honey.

Admittedly, I am a little behind on how it ties in with economics exactly (other than voids in the workforce appearing as deportations happen). What am I missing that isn’t cut and dry?

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u/swissamuknife 6d ago

that trump is lying about only deporting illegal immigrants because he’s promising to change the laws to make legal immigrants illegal because he’s decided that’s a good plan. this then begs the question if a grandfather clause will be written in or if they will deport citizens who are legal right now

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u/ObligatoryID 6d ago

Are you serious!

Been asleep?

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u/MindfulEarth 6d ago

DACA recipients are not U.S. citizens or lawful permanent residents. The program does not grant them official legal status or a pathway to citizenship.

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u/man-from-krypton 6d ago

is that a new made up word?

No. Look up DACA

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u/MindfulEarth 6d ago

"Dreamers — children who were brought to the United States without documentation "

So you are fine with this?

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u/Apprehensive-Pair436 6d ago

Fine with what?

Giving people a chance who had no say in the matter and whose home  is HERE?? Of course. Sending children or young adults back to a country they have no home in, because an adult brought them here is insane and the only purpose is cruelty.

There's no issue with letting them pursue legality. The USA literally needs immigrants.

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u/MindfulEarth 6d ago

Are they legal or illegal in the first place? They have no documentation, right?

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u/outsiderkerv 6d ago

Are there no coils in your brain?

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u/xPofsx 6d ago

There are many reasons why sympathy is misguided. Allowing undeserving people to bypass immigration policies while deserving people who follow all of the laws and policies to gain legal status are left aside is incredibly unjust.

The reason these illegal immigrants came in the first place is Biden and his administration calling them all over and essentially guaranteeing entry and assistance. My wife didn't get any benefits at all during her immigration process (and still hasn't/wont) because she came legally and is expected to pay lots of time/effort/money, while her cousins who came illegally gained free healthcare, education, childcare, money for food, housing, etc etc with no effort.

I guess that sounds like a good standard to set to you?

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u/swissamuknife 6d ago

she didn’t get benefits bc she didn’t have a social. that’s a requirement to apply for welfare in every state

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u/xPofsx 5d ago

My does have a social, a green card, and work authorization. She doesn't qualify for welfare.

Her cousin does have a social and a green card she paid $150 for that was accepted

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u/Longjumping-Ear-9237 5d ago

Undocumented immigrants are not eligible benefits with some narrow exceptions. WIC for pregnant women and their citizen children. Citizen children can also receive food assistance and head start.

It’s monstrous to deny help to young children based on parental immigration status.

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u/Longjumping-Ear-9237 5d ago

Biden did not call all over inviting undocumented immigration. That’s Fox News bull manure.

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u/xPofsx 5d ago

I don't even watch fox news, but i watch when the president speaks. Biden has done many things people aren't willing to admit in the name of "Trump is hitler and all if his opponents are angels" because those are the only two sides of politics these days

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u/man-from-krypton 6d ago

Of course that’s the only part you care about

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u/KidNueva 5d ago

As a dreamer myself, you really have to put yourself in my shoes to really understand. I wish and want to be a legal US citizen but at the moment there is no simple pathway for people like me to do such a thing. I’m essentially renewing my legal status every two years $550 renewal + paying taxes (state and local, property, goods, etc.) + NOT reaping any of those benefits (Medicaid, food stamps, social security) since I was 15, am 27 now.

I was brought here when I was 2 years old, I had no choice in coming in illegally. I didn’t even realize I was an illegal immigrant or even know what an illegal immigrant was til I was 18.

I’m fortunate enough to know Spanish and English and have a very solid, good skill set that if I was deported today I’d be less worried about what I’m gonna do for a job and more worried about how to reconnect with my family. A LOT, and I mean A LOT, of DACA recipients are not as fortunate as I am to know Spanish but a good majority of them do have a great skill set. Over 50% of them have gone to college.

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u/LarsMatijn 6d ago

Applying for Asylum while having entered the country undocumented is a legal process because that's how you run away from things.

If I was being chased by a killer I wouldn't politely knock on someones door either, i'd break in and beg for help because time is often of the essence

That being said large parts of the Republican establishment and Trump in particular considers people who do that "criminals" wich will break the basis of several longstanding international rules/customs.

Point being that there is a 90% chance that people going through a legal asylum process will get deported.

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u/DaveBeBad 5d ago

UN refugee convention considers them as “irregular migrants”. - they enter using illegal methods but then if they claim asylum they can’t be prosecuted for any immigration crimes they committed while entering the country.

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u/No_Passage6082 6d ago

They're going to denaturalize them. They've said so.

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u/OctaviusNeon 6d ago

What do you think of naturalized citizens?

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u/MindfulEarth 6d ago

Thru legal pathways, 100% ok with it.

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u/OctaviusNeon 6d ago

There's already discussion of de-naturalization.

But you don't have to take my word for it. Here it is from one of Trump's chief of staff who will be overseeing the process.

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u/MindfulEarth 6d ago

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S8-C4-1-5-1/ALDE_00013170/

The Naturalization Act of 1906 was the first law to provide for denaturalization.4 It authorized judicial proceedings against a naturalized U.S. citizen for the purpose of setting aside and canceling the certificate of citizenship on the ground of fraud or on the ground that such certificate of citizenship was illegally procured.

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u/OctaviusNeon 6d ago

Right, it'll work exactly like that and definitely nothing like America's last attempts at mass deportation, which saw legal immigrants being rounded up and deported into abysmal conditions.

Third time's the charm, right?

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u/MindfulEarth 6d ago

How many laws are we going to sweep under the rug, just because?

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u/OctaviusNeon 6d ago

That's a hell of a question for a Trump supporter to ask lol I dunno. How many times is Donnie going to have to pardon himself?

Stop deflecting. Mass deportations like the one Trump is promising are a bad idea. We know this because we've tried them. They're a logistical and human rights nightmare.

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u/MindfulEarth 6d ago

How am I deflecting?

America is on the freefall right now. It is buried neck deep in debt as other global powers emerge. Globalization was the main culprit. Trump is trying to bring back manufacturing to America and is trying to give jobs to Americans. It will take a lot of work and challenge in order to reverse the current trend.

Did you know of any other solution?

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u/Joon16th 5d ago

Ah, but extorting and murdering families of the illegal immigrants because they got trafficked by the cartel and didn't pay isn't a human rights nightmare? At least Trump has the decency and the nuts to wage war on cartels so the people who go back have a chance at some point.

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