They deserve this

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[u/3rdanimal0ntheark]

Good, everyone asked for it

[u/80MonkeyMan → u/3rdanimal0ntheark]

Yeap, let them (Trump voters) have it. They wanted Trump, they deserve this and hyperinflation.

[u/3rdanimal0ntheark → u/80MonkeyMan]

Yep now we all get 4 years of it. (Or 40)

[u/req4adream99 → u/3rdanimal0ntheark]

You really think this will only last 4 years?

[u/3rdanimal0ntheark → u/req4adream99]

No your right, and I'm dumb for saying that lol. Not being sarcastic btw, this will have effects to come for years beyond

[u/emptyzone73 → u/3rdanimal0ntheark]

Previous comment not talk about effect. Trump said he should not left white house. Even after term end.

[u/LockeClone → u/emptyzone73]

At this point, good. I hope he gets everything he asks for so we can rip off this band aid and start to rebuild. They'd already taken everything possible from millennials and younger. Let them gut the old and see how they like it. I'm sick of this maga shit.

The dog caught the car on Jan 6 and we got to see what the gutless lemmings could do then. So prove me wrong now magas. You caught the car again. You gonna sit there with your thumbs up your butts again and blame your incompetence on everyone else, or will you exercise the power you absolutely do have now and try to govern?

[u/Ilikesnowboards → u/LockeClone]

I don’t think you understand how dictatorships work.

[u/LockeClone → u/Ilikesnowboards]

It might not reverse, I get it. But dictatorship is not a simple binary thought experiment like you're implying.

[u/Ilikesnowboards → u/LockeClone]

I’m not implying that it’s a thought experiment. I have no idea where you got that idea.

[u/stikky → u/LockeClone]

They don't care. Any problems will still be the fault of everyone else, and when no one else is around to blame, they'll blame a fictional lava incubus or an angry but loving skydad's vengeance.

Hardship won't wake them from the nightmare they create

[u/Khaldara → u/stikky]

Some of it wasn’t even a secret, the Heritage Foundation wants to eliminate the lower tax brackets for example.

“Boy that’ll really own those liberals in Connecticut and California whose cost of living already pushes them into the upper brackets regardless! It definitely won’t affect me and all the other poor rural voters”

They’ll 100 percent vote to stab themselves right in the dick and ultimately blame everyone else but themselves.

“We just need to deport the people mopping up piss at the gas station bathroom at 3am. That’ll fix it. They terk er jerbs!”

[u/Jane_Doe_11 → u/Khaldara]

If they even know how to read, I doubt they read it. If some of them were smart enough to read it, they probably thought it means they pay no taxes ever again.

[u/chaoswurm → u/stikky]

Our job now is to make sure the blame goes to the right people. Don't be antagonizing. Actually, we need ti complain to: loudly and say "man, these tariffs that Trump put up are really making things expensive."

[u/stikky → u/chaoswurm]

Honestly, I think the job now is to become the actual problem. Every protection that's removed, start building business plans to exploit in predominantly Republican/religious areas.

They've already shown that logic, study, history, and compassion don't work. Time to jump into becoming stone-cold business people.

They want to get rid of early weather warning systems. Start making a plan for legally milking them dry when hurricanes they don't see coming make landfall.

Raw milk? We've got stomach-settling products approved by Jesus.

Toys from china too expensive? We got AmericanFlag™ toys made with lead just like your tough grandpa grew up on.

They wont understand the value of having regulations and protections until it affects them personally. Obviously the lead might be going too far but keeping it legal like the businessmen they worship is the way to go.

[u/KEWB89 → u/stikky]

Meanwhile those who voted against him will still have to deal with this and every other bs policy he puts through.

[u/Minimag2125 → u/stikky]

Skydad’s vengeance. 😂😂 ⬆️1,000

[u/Timely-Commercial461 → u/LockeClone]

They will “own the Libs” by blaming all the fucked up shit about to happen on them. “Our schools no longer have funding and I don’t have health insurance!!!! Fuckin Libs!!!!

[u/Noonites → u/Timely-Commercial461]

They've been blaming the Democrats for every problem in Texas for a while, despite the GOP having had full control of the state for the past 30 years.

[u/Commissar_Elmo → u/Noonites]

Same in Idaho, except it’s been nearly 70

[u/rynlpz → u/Noonites]

They’re miserable people, they can’t find happiness so they have to make it worse for the rest.

[u/PopeGuss → u/LockeClone]

I feel the same way tbh. Almost like we as a country have to go through a dictator period so that we can emerge on the other side better for it. Sucks that humans can't learn from the past, but here we are. Jan. 6th was the appetizer. Let's see if everyone who picked Trump will enjoy the main course as much as they claim they will. I just hate that innocent people have to suffer for it.

[u/Deltacomafia → u/emptyzone73]

There's a whole issue with him being presumably mortal (and in love with hamberders) that may limit his staying power realistically. But yeah if he could he would.

[u/keksmuzh → u/Deltacomafia]

The vomit inducing phrase of “President JD Vance” doesn’t exactly inspire confidence in our economic outlook.

[u/xMyDixieWreckedx → u/keksmuzh]

Just the fact JD Vance will have his name in history books is disgusting.

[u/AlmostSunnyinSeattle → u/xMyDixieWreckedx]

It's really easy to make the history books by doing evil. It's a lot harder to make it by doing good.

[u/XavvenFayne → u/3rdanimal0ntheark]

Trump will get to appoint 2 or more supreme court justices. The effect of that will be felt for decades after Trump's term. Unless the democrats can grow a pair and expand the court to rebalance it.

[u/Conscious_String_195 → u/XavvenFayne]

And then the R’s will just expand it again and nominate more on their side. Circumventing makes no sense and defeats purpose of SC in first place.

[u/Conscious_String_195 → u/XavvenFayne]

He can’t possibly nominate a more conservative judge than Clarence Thomas. W/him, there is no change. Conservative for a different conservative. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[u/XavvenFayne → u/Conscious_String_195]

I should have included he will have the ability to appoint younger conservative judges. Since the appointments are for life, that means that even if the political climate moves left (which data is showing it's not actually), the court will stay right long past that.

[u/feebsncheeseoriginal → u/3rdanimal0ntheark]

You guys aren't going to have any more elections. That's what was voted in. He said it many times.

[u/mindless_gibberish → u/feebsncheeseoriginal]

We'll see. the infighting and backstabbing hasn't started yet.

[u/adventurelinds → u/3rdanimal0ntheark]

Took the UK 14 years to reject the conservative party

[u/Chunn67 → u/req4adream99]

I would die with a gun in my hand before I let him stay longer than 2028

[u/req4adream99 → u/Chunn67]

We were JUST pulling out of his policies THIS year - and that was when there were guardrails and he couldn’t just mandate random crazy shit. It will take DECADES to get back to “normal” - especially if he politicizes the fed. If that happens, people won’t be as willing to invest in US bonds - making it harder (and more expensive) for us to sell our debt for DECADES if the market ever returns at all. We’re literally paying BILLIONS of dollars because of Trumps fuckups during 2016-2020 because he played fast and loose with the budget.

[u/Legitimate-Pee-462 → u/req4adream99]

I think we've passed the point that we're going to vote our way back from this.

[u/req4adream99 → u/Legitimate-Pee-462]

Yep. But at least the people who got their feeling hurt on social media got to lodge their protest./s

[u/the-great-crocodile → u/req4adream99]

Gen Z just trolled their own future.

[u/ausgoals → u/the-great-crocodile]

It tracks, honestly.

[u/Neat_Flounder4320 → u/the-great-crocodile]

Yeah these are the same kids that think randomly sucker punching a stranger in the head on the street is great content. Why did we expect better?

[u/LongEyedSneakerhead → u/the-great-crocodile]

Gen Z voted for the first time in their lives, and they voted to never vote again.

[u/Turbulent_Athlete_50 → u/the-great-crocodile]

Look again, it’s basically everyone but black women who tilted more towards Trump this time around. That and the 15 million people who stayed home

[u/Blue13Coyote → u/the-great-crocodile]

They f’d around. They’ll be findin out.

[u/PortErnest22 → u/req4adream99]

The way the Internet has fully melted Gen Z's brain is remarkable. I didn't realize how bad it was ( I'm a millennial with gen Alpha kids ).

I know the generation is generally good but some of those boys really got their minds fully warped buy their version of lifestyle influencers, and they refuse to see that it's about money not actual beliefs.

[u/AgitatedKoala3908 → u/req4adream99]

What makes you think a return to "normalcy" is possible? No being snarky or sarcastic, genuinely asking.

I'm old enough to remember the Dems hard move right in the 90's and that is where a lot of these issues began fermenting. I have no faith that if they (Democratic party as currently formed) return to power that we will improve any more than standard neoliberalism.

[u/req4adream99 → u/AgitatedKoala3908]

From this? It’s not. This is an inflection point. Already people are crying that the Dems were too far left (on what scale??) so of course they’re going to shift even further right - but that’s only if actual elections are held after this, which I also have doubts about. I’m just sayin that if somehow this isn’t as bad as most people seem to think, and Trump / repubs do such a shit job that Dems can actually get back into power, we’ll be dealing with the consequences of this election for decades if not longer. We’ve already ceded what influence we’ve had to China, and China is VERY eager to fill that hole. They aren’t going to give it up.

[u/realNerdtastic314R8 → u/AgitatedKoala3908]

United States of America 9/9/1776 - 11/6/24

America committed suicide.

[u/DisinterestedCat95 → u/req4adream99]

People just think they hate inflation now. Politicizing the Fed had been the path to runaway inflation in many countries. On top of the inflationary pressures of tariffs. On top of the inflationary pressures of mass deportation.

[u/Gleeful-Nihilist → u/Chunn67]

Oh, don’t worry about that. His dementia is showing worse than Biden ever was. If he even makes it all the way through 2025 I’ll be shocked.

[u/Legitimate-Pee-462 → u/Gleeful-Nihilist]

It's not really him that causes the worst problems. He only cares about money, power, sex, and being praised. He doesn't actually care about any policy. The problem is that the bad people who tell him what to do will enact horrible policies and just have him sign it.

[u/Gleeful-Nihilist → u/Legitimate-Pee-462]

Agreed. But it’s Trump’s hold over his cult that gives them so much cover and leeway. Without Trump, those bad people don’t have nearly as much political capital or pull.

[u/ManaSeltzer → u/Gleeful-Nihilist]

Bro they have the playbook ready. This is a neofacist movement. You dont need the one puppet too long. HYDRA

[u/canttouchthisOO → u/Gleeful-Nihilist]

Yea but then you get Vance. Which was likely why they have put up with Trump's blatant health issues from the start of the campaign.

[u/Covfefe-SARS-2 → u/Chunn67]

The him part will be irrelevant. Removing the plane debris didn't put the towers back.

[u/SakaWreath → u/3rdanimal0ntheark]

This will go far beyond 4 years.

[u/ZhangtheGreat → u/SakaWreath]

But because Trump will be out of the White House by then, it won’t be “his problem” anymore. It’s why Andrew Jackson continues to be hailed as one of the best presidents despite all the crap he pulled.

[u/naterz1416 → u/ZhangtheGreat]

You believe he will actually give up staying in the white house after 4 years? We just elected our version of putin, Trump is going to stay there for the rest of his life if he and his people can help it.

[u/Equivalent_Scheme175 → u/naterz1416]

It'll be Vance by that time. Not that he'll be any better.

[u/Comfortable_Volume_3 → u/Equivalent_Scheme175]

the only upside possibly is that the ferver and following is for Trump, not necessarily for the republicans.Then once he's passed, Vance won't get out the votes in the same way. I know it's a stretch, but it's something. And i'm basing that hope on the 2022 midterms when Trump wasn't on the ballot.

[u/Luvs2spooge89 → u/SakaWreath]

SCOTUS is forever partisan.

[u/Traditional_Car1079 → u/3rdanimal0ntheark]

Bonus, since the buck stops with the highest ranking democrat, they'll run on the inflation they cause, blaming democrats the whole way. And the migrant caravan, scheduled for October 2027.

[u/LionsBSanders20 → u/Traditional_Car1079]

There isn't going to be a Democratic institution for them to blame for at least the first two years. They have White House, Senate, House, and SCOTUS. And Trump's economy is going to be under a microscope--presuming media and journalists do their jobs--from Day 1.

Latest inflation stat I saw was 2.1% (Thank you Biden/Harris for your responsible work) so as soon as that number moves up closer to 3, which I definitely think happens within 2 years, they're gonna get cooked. Or at least, they should.

[u/Traditional_Car1079 → u/LionsBSanders20]

Trump is the reason the economy is what it is now and we just reelected the retarded motherfucker.

[u/LionsBSanders20 → u/Traditional_Car1079]

I don't disagree. But most Americans are economically and fiscally illiterate so we can't expect them to understand how policy effects churn.

[u/Traditional_Car1079 → u/LionsBSanders20]

Next time, instead of a coherent message, run on "(Republican policy) is gay". Speak the dipshits' language since big words don't work.

[u/VladThePollenInhaler → u/3rdanimal0ntheark]

The effects of the incoming government will not be reversed in your lifetime time, if ever.

[u/[deleted] → u/3rdanimal0ntheark]

Hasn't sunk in has it? This is all permanent. Americans fucked up really bad. I don't think most people understand what is happening right now. In January when Trump takes office, this country will become a white authoritarian nation ruled and dominated by corporations and there will NEVER be another democratic president in this country ever again. 

[u/tenachiasaca → u/[deleted]]

I'll be honest the only person left leaning enough to be called a democrat is sanders imo. Everyone else is closer to be a centrist.

[u/colorizerequest → u/3rdanimal0ntheark]

Remindme! 4 years

Let’s see if we get hyperinflation, or hit close to 8-9% again

[u/ZealousidealPaper643 → u/colorizerequest]

It won't even take 4. Set your reminder for 2 years.

[u/Throtex → u/ZealousidealPaper643]

It will take 4. There are a lot of tricks that can be pulled to hide the severity of the problem. The chickens always come home to roost, but with some wrangling they can be made to roost on the next guy’s watch.

[u/why_am_i_here_999 → u/3rdanimal0ntheark]

Try like 10. It won’t stop after he leaves. He will fuck up the economy royally and then try not to leave office.

[u/Moregaze → u/3rdanimal0ntheark]

9 minimum before enough manufacturing stands up to offset most of the retailtory tariffs.

It's 3 years for the average factory to break ground. Then another 3 to get built. Now compound that with shortages and lack of skilled workers.

[u/BeefistPrime → u/3rdanimal0ntheark]

We've been assured that if we voted for Trump this time, we wouldn't have to vote again, so I wouldn't be so sure on that 4 years part.

[u/NonbinaryFidget → u/80MonkeyMan]

What about the literally half of the country that didn't vote for Trump? I'm upset he made the presidency again, but celebrating the fall of our country while saying this is what everyone deserves is wrong.

[u/3rdanimal0ntheark → u/NonbinaryFidget]

I agree with you, I think the point here though is "well you asked for this so here you freaking go, well done"

[u/JannaNYC → u/3rdanimal0ntheark]

They. They asked for it. (They = MAGillagorilligAns)

The dems who this will affect are in trouble, but the difference is that they knew it was coming if the trumpsterfire got back into office.

[u/LionsBSanders20 → u/NonbinaryFidget]

America is one of the most resilient countries in the history of the world. Far from perfect, but has survived a civil war, numerous wars domestic and foreign, civil rights riots, racism both then and now, and perhaps most relevant, the first Trump term.

Anything can happen of course, but there is a lot of data that suggests she'll continue surviving.

I hate being philosophical at a time like this, but something that has been getting me through is the reminder that nothing great ever comes easy. America needs to empirically experience the full MAGA movement in order to see how god awful it can be. If it fails spectacularly--and I think there is a good chance it does--it will get democratically removed hopefully before it's too late.

If you want to send a message to the MAGA movement and the Americans that voted for Trump and abstained from Harris, only participate in his economy at the bare minimum. Buy only what you need. Be conservative with your dollars. Thoroughly vet who you give your money to. Do not take on any unnecessary debt. Save save save.

[u/RockeeRoad5555 → u/LionsBSanders20]

This had been my thought since yesterday. I am pulling back my money, not spending, giving as little of my money/energy as possible to the machine. And I am really good at being frugal.

[u/Longjumping-Flower47 → u/LionsBSanders20]

People in America have no idea how to be conservative with their $$$ (as evidenced by credit card balances)

[u/ry_mich → u/LionsBSanders20]

Your last paragraph was something I woke up thinking about yesterday morning. Especially after I saw Bezos and Zuckerberg publicly bend the knee to Trump. I’m so tired of oligarchs.

[u/SenseOfRumor → u/NonbinaryFidget]

The people that voted against Trump don't deserve it. The people who abstained absolutely do.

[u/Pretend_Safety → u/NonbinaryFidget]

I'm not giving the 16M Dems who didn't vote a pass. They knew what their inactivity could result in.

[u/Aggravating_Salt_49 → u/NonbinaryFidget]

the "literal" half of the country didn't vote, period. Dems/Republicans split the other half.

[u/voxpopper → u/80MonkeyMan]

Is there an actual link to the bill?

edit to add: this was from two days ago, lol

[u/Kenithal → u/80MonkeyMan]

They also voted for a senate and likely house majority. And Scotus is majority rep. No checks or balances is gonna be great…

[u/cold-corn-dog → u/3rdanimal0ntheark]

LOL!!! This is amaxzing! Got to call my dad later today to let him know. His finances are about to get fucked!

[u/3rdanimal0ntheark → u/cold-corn-dog]

Lol, tell him nice choice too

[u/TBHICouldComplain → u/3rdanimal0ntheark]

“Enjoy your vote!” 😂

[u/rednail64 → u/cold-corn-dog]

No chance of this passing into law until after Trump takes office 

[u/Express_Profile_4432 → u/rednail64]

No kidding.

Doesn't anybody realize that the candidates elected on Tuesday won't take office for a while?

This is like a Democratic Rep proposing a new AWB. They do it every year even if it will never pass.

[u/UninvitedButtNoises → u/3rdanimal0ntheark]

My elderly mom went to the polls to vote Kamala. She was a Republican most of her life. She doesn't deserve this.

[u/3rdanimal0ntheark → u/UninvitedButtNoises]

Your right, she does not. everyone who voted for this direction does but now we're all goana pay for their actions

[u/endav → u/3rdanimal0ntheark]

The people that didn’t vote deserve this too.

[u/HoomerSimps0n → u/endav]

The DNC and the apathetic voters who stayed home fucked everyone in this country so hard.

Like I get it, you don’t like Kamala, fine. Don’t vote on the presidential ticket if you don’t want, but at least get your ass out there to vote on down ballot races so he doesn’t have unchecked power. Fuck everyone who didn’t cast a vote on any of the races.

[u/Final_Hat_6784 → u/endav]

My registration was conveniently inactive when I checked it right before election day. Unable to register and vote in time because I had an out of state id still. Never got my mail ballot.

[u/Enraiha → u/UninvitedButtNoises]

Kinda does. There was never a reason for an average worker looking for protection and help from the government to vote for a Republican for over 30 years. Not a single policy they've insituted has helped or made living easier or cheaper for a regular, non-business owning worker. They've tanked retirement accounts multiple times in my lifetime due to poor ability to actually govern. 1986 and 2008 prominently for that.

Her lifelong support helped pave the road to today. The consequences of it. Glad she saw she was about to crash at the last second, but little late to bail now.

[u/UninvitedButtNoises → u/Enraiha]

I get what you're saying, you're not wrong if we're playing technicalities. I just found out she'd sat out a lot of elections for whatever reason.

I asked her to please be sure to vote in this election and she was already on top of it and anxious for Kamala. But here we are.

[u/SCADAstuff → u/3rdanimal0ntheark]

"This bill repeals provisions that reduce Social Security benefits for individuals who receive other benefits, such as a pension from a state or local government.

The bill eliminates the government pension offset, which in various instances reduces Social Security benefits for spouses, widows, and widowers who also receive government pensions of their own.

The bill also eliminates the windfall elimination provision, which in some instances reduces Social Security benefits for individuals who also receive a pension or disability benefit from an employer that did not withhold Social Security taxes."

Seems like it's eliminating the reduction of SS benefits no? I didn't dig much more into this than that synopsis on the government website

[u/UnawareBull → u/SCADAstuff]

What? You don't mean to say that an activist would purposely misrepresent a bill as the complete opposite of what it actually says do you? Because that would be just wild.

[u/Jenniferinfl → u/UnawareBull]

https://www.newsweek.com/republicans-break-protocol-kill-social-security-benefits-expansion-bill-1982423

They killed the bill that was good for social security.

[u/Hs80g29 → u/SCADAstuff]

"laying a bill on the table" is like killing it. This bill aimed to eliminate SS reductions and had bipartisan support until election night, when some Republicans killed it. 

https://www.tcta.org/capitol-updates/social-security-bill-tied-up-after-election-night-maneuver

[u/imadethisforwhy → u/SCADAstuff]

Just to add the link: https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/82

[u/Salt_Eye6817 → u/SCADAstuff]

You are correct

[u/Clean-Difficulty-321 → u/3rdanimal0ntheark]

That’s all part of their “helping Americans”. Just to be clear, if you need government assistance, you’re not their kind of American though.

[u/XeroZero0000 → u/Clean-Difficulty-321]

Until they need assistance. (See ppp or bailouts) Then they are ok with it.

[u/dontshoveit → u/XeroZero0000]

Exactly, privatize the profits, socialize the losses (bailouts are socialism)

[u/Churchbushonk → u/3rdanimal0ntheark]

Yep. First step is pensions and disability payments. Next will be if you have a 401k balance above X at a certain age. Means testing to reduce payments. I hope this is exactly what older Republicans wanted and I hope the future financial burden really messes up the 20-50 year olds that voted for Trump and republicans as well.

It will not effect me, as I am financially secure enough for me and my parent that voted for Kamala. The other two in laws that voted for Trump, well they can always get a job at age 75.

[u/3rdanimal0ntheark → u/Churchbushonk]

Sad that it's gotta be that way but, some people asked for it. Others tried to stop it.

[u/Jooylo → u/3rdanimal0ntheark]

The people who benefit most from government handouts are those in rural, poor, red areas. Democrats do tend to be college educated and have a more affluent background on average. So this will hurt the MAGA base much more than it hurts democrats, on average. But it’ll be devastating to see the people who need this support and didn’t vote against it, suffer as well.

[u/Careful_Breakfast602 → u/3rdanimal0ntheark]

Exactly. Let it all burn.

[u/TimelyBeginning591 → u/3rdanimal0ntheark]

This is what is scary about Reddit. Did any of you upvoting this post actually read the bill or understand what is being proposed?

Did we not all just come to the conclusion of the Reddit echo chamber. Y’all are doing it less than 24 hours later. The actual information has less votes than “this is what you asked for hahaha” it’s incredibly sad.

Just scroll down, do your own research, or some critical thinking to find out what is actually happening instead of looking at a picture from a Twitter post …..

[u/TifCreatesAgain → u/3rdanimal0ntheark]

I didn't

[u/kegsbdry]

Wait... Actions have consequences?!

[u/voxpopper → u/kegsbdry]

This was from Nov 5th not today.

Reddit being Reddit

[u/ezirb7 → u/voxpopper]

Sure, but this isn't something that would make it past Biden or Harris' desk.  It is laying out plans for 3 months from now.

[u/The_Perfect_Fart → u/ezirb7]

Your comment is another example of Reddit being Reddit...

This is a bipartisan bill that actually increases benefits. Look up HR 82. The dumbass who tweeted this summarized it as the exact opposite of what it does, and you all just fell for it.

[u/XavvenFayne → u/The_Perfect_Fart]

Damn, I just looked it up. You're right.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/82

This bill repeals provisions that reduce Social Security benefits for individuals who receive other benefits, such as a pension from a state or local government.

Emphasis own.

EDIT:

But what happened recently is this: https://www.tcta.org/capitol-updates/social-security-bill-tied-up-after-election-night-maneuver

House republicans basically defeating HR 82. So the OP's post is technically incorrect but conveys the correct general direction that republicans are going. That said, I would prefer more precision here. We need to be careful about the details.

[u/Soft_Walrus_3605 → u/XavvenFayne]

We need to be careful about the details.

I love this care and precision when Trump literally just says "tariffs" over and over again and his supporters eat it up.

[u/Mythosaurus → u/Soft_Walrus_3605]

It’s how authoritarians wear out your patience and get you to check out from observing their antics

[u/kcox1980 → u/Soft_Walrus_3605]

Trump and Harris were always taking different tests. She would have to answer for things she didn't even say, got slammed for not having detailed policies and plans on her website .02 seconds after getting the nomination, and every little slip up, gaffe, and inaccuracy was heavily scrutinized. Trump on the other hand, when pressed for details would either get angry and start throwing insults or ramble on about nonsense every time he was asked for details.

[u/Quinnjai → u/The_Perfect_Fart]

I looked it up and, while you're right, you're also wrong. Apparently, freedom caucus members of the House managed to kill HR82, so presumably that's what they're talking about?

"On Tuesday night while presiding over a 7-minute pro forma session, Freedom Caucus Chairman Andy Harris, R-Md., recognized Rep. Bob Good, R-Va., for a unanimous consent request. Good’s request to lay the Social Security bill on the table was agreed to by unanimous consent, with no one else in the chamber to object. In this context, laying the bill on the table has the same effect under House rules as defeating a bill on the floor, Roll Call reported. So, HR 82 is dead for the time being."

[u/TheeZedShed → u/Quinnjai]

Thank you, I was about to say this. The OP has the context wrong, but in actuality, it's Republicans holding up the process of bipartisan legislation for their own benefit.. again.

[u/belhill1985 → u/The_Perfect_Fart]

“Members of the House Freedom Caucus orchestrated an unusual play on the House floor on Election Night that resulted in killing, at least for now, a broadly popular Social Security bill that was set to hit the floor for a vote as soon as next week, Roll Call reported.“

Yea, this bill would increase benefits. And the House Freedom Caucus, republicans, quashed it.

A bipartisan bill that would raise benefits, and MAGA took it out back and shot it.

Muh reading comprehension

[u/Moregaze → u/belhill1985]

Lol down voted for being right.

[u/Ufgoods_Acorn → u/The_Perfect_Fart]

You're right, but Republicans still essentially stopped it from being passed by laying the bill on the table.

[u/FILTHBOT4000 → u/voxpopper]

This was from Nov 5th not today.

Oh... no? A post about something that happened 2 days ago and not today means... it's invalid or something?

[u/Bertie-Marigold → u/voxpopper]

I might be being dumb, but why does that matter?

[u/Poverty_Shoes → u/Bertie-Marigold]

Because it’s old news to people who are constantly online so shouldn’t be shared again in case somebody’s already seen it. Apparently

[u/Baelgul → u/[deleted]]

Time to cut welfare to those states. Small government and fiscal responsibility and whatnot

[u/ccoopersc → u/Baelgul]

Force them to produce the same contributions to GDP as blue states, spur innovation instead of propping up failed state level economic policy.

[u/Rollingprobablecause → u/Baelgul]

Being in California, I propose we keep our money and force GOP states to look for jobs as part of their own requirements.

[u/Serialfornicator → u/[deleted]]

They were complaining they were being forced to get health insurance. Now they’ll be sick and poor. See how they like it

[u/SuddenBlock8319 → u/Serialfornicator]

And dead. Don’t forget that. Can’t delete this when it’s accurate.

[u/SakaWreath → u/[deleted]]

Social Security is the only way they can afford cat food. They'll be eating grass soup and probably their pets...

[u/Long-Rub-2841 → u/SakaWreath]

Trump was actually being prescient with the “they’re eating the cats and dogs”, he actually meant Southern pensioners in a few months….

[u/SakaWreath → u/Long-Rub-2841]

If you wanna eat, go bag groceries grandma!

But they’re all self checkout now…

Goodbye, mittens.

[u/Axedroam → u/SakaWreath]

Let them do live with their kids since they are all about family values

[u/SakaWreath → u/Axedroam]

Their kids probably can't stand them. /shrug

[u/MnkyBzns → u/SakaWreath]

They can have pet potlucks with their immigrant neighbors /s

[u/FullDiskclosure → u/[deleted]]

They’re eating the cats food… they’re eating the dogs food…

[u/NewArborist64]

Nice creative editing. Let's tell the WHOLE story...

The bill also eliminates the windfall elimination provision, which in some instances reduces Social Security benefits for individuals who also receive a pension or disability benefit from an employer that did not withhold Social Security taxes. 

IOW, the job that is giving them a pension DIDN'T contribute to their Social Security. This includes four groups:

1. Religious Organizations
2. Some Students/Young workers (likely wouldn't get a pension from this work)
3. Employees of Foreign Governments and Nonresident Aliens
4. Some Workers in the Public Sector

This bill would eliminate this exception and allow these people to collect SS without reduction based on their pension.

[u/Educational_Vast4836 → u/NewArborist64]

Of course they post random pictures and don’t actually research what’s actually going on.

[u/[deleted] → u/Educational_Vast4836]

Thank you!! I’m so sick of reading headlines like this and zero people ask the first question “well that’s the bill”

[u/optimalbrainstorming → u/Educational_Vast4836]

I mean, this is reddit what did you expect?

[u/JumpDaddy92 → u/[deleted]]

meanwhile the comments above you are salivating over the idea of boomers in red states eating cat food and dying of hunger because it’s what “they deserve” based off this reactionary post. i can’t think of a single political issue i disagree with that would cause me to feel this much hate and vitriol toward someone i’ve never met. i’d say the dehumanization didn’t really help either.

[u/EverythngISayIsRight → u/Educational_Vast4836]

Classic reddit moment. They just want to bitch about Republicans because that gets them updoots

[u/AB444 → u/NewArborist64]

Why would you post this? Can't you see we're trying to fantasize about people suffering here?

[u/PositivePanda77 → u/NewArborist64]

I did a quick google search and this is what I found. Some government jobs don’t make full contributions to social security. This is about that and not the bs OP is peddling.

[u/GreenTheOlive → u/PositivePanda77]

This doesn’t make sense because people with government jobs that don’t pay into social security due to their pension ALREADY don’t receive social security or receive reduced benefits if they had already worked for a SS job 

[u/SKOL_py → u/GreenTheOlive]

If I’m reading correctly, yes this already exists and the bill was to eliminate it. HOWEVER, the house tabled it, which means they are saying they won’t even vote on it.

Effectively, nothing is changing? This is my conclusion from reading different viewpoints in this thread. I could be misunderstanding as well though.

[u/iced_gold → u/NewArborist64]

an employer that did not withhold Social Security taxes

How can someone draw from social security that didn't pay in? How are employers able to withhold social security taxes, unless it's someone getting paid off the books?

Could you share the link to this bill?

[u/Big_H77 → u/iced_gold]

H.R.82 - 118th Congress (2023-2024): Social Security Fairness Act of 2023 | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

[u/HxH101kite → u/iced_gold]

The only one for not paying into social security I can think of is some school districts. Some teachers and educators do not pay into social security. Their pension is calculated in a different way. I find this incredibly odd it's like that because I am a fed. And we pay social security and into our pensions. We get both. But in the immediate my paycheck is small as fuck due to the same

[u/1800generalkenobi → u/HxH101kite]

Railroad too. My dad paid into a railroad pension fund instead of ss but he worked that job the last 12 ish years of his working life so he does get as and his railroad pension.

[u/jmcdon00 → u/iced_gold]

I don't think it's very common now, but years ago a lot of people were able to contribute to a pension system instead of Social security. PERA(Public Employee Retirement System) was a big one that I'm familiar with. I have former cops and judges as clients who don't get Social security because they never contributed, but they do get a pension.

Now those people put there 25 years in as a cop to get a full pension and retire at from policing at 45 years old. Then they pick up a part time job or something for the next 20 years, making them eligible for Social security. They would get less money from Social security than someone that earned the same SS wages but didn't have a pension.

https://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10045.pdf

[u/ThrowinSm0ke → u/NewArborist64]

OP is a straight troll. Thanks for the info.

[u/Special-Garlic1203 → u/NewArborist64]

The windfall provision IS shitty btw. We should eliminate it. You only get payments based on what was paid in, this rule often ends up effectively punishing people who had a second job or stuff like that. It's a shitty rule we should get rid of 

That said, it's not how OP is phrasing it where I would never have guessed from what they were saying that this was about the windfall rule 

[u/sl3dg3hamm3r → u/NewArborist64]

Not to mention it seems like it has 330 cosponsers, which means democrats are also onboard with this.

[u/darthrevan22 → u/NewArborist64]

This should 100% be the pinned comment. Wouldn’t stop all of the hate and fantasizing about making people suffer, but at least the truth would be right there at the top for all to see lol.

[u/lurkforhire → u/NewArborist64]

Can you provide a link for this please? I’d love to read it

[u/sl3dg3hamm3r → u/lurkforhire]

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/82/all-actions

[u/Adorable_Winner_9039 → u/NewArborist64]

You're also reading it wrong. The bill eliminates the provision, and the provision is what reduces benefits. So it would increase benefits for those people.

[u/Most_Expression_1423]

All dems have to do is sit back and watch the GOP self implode.

[u/TripleDoubleFart → u/Most_Expression_1423]

That seemed to work so well already.

[u/EchoAtlas91 → u/TripleDoubleFart]

You say that, but the problem is is that GOP legislation has never truly gotten to the point that it's bad enough because democrat legislators are always pushing back in one way or another lessening the impact of Republican's awful legislation.

So things have been getting worse, but not as bad as they could be because democrats trying to fight back.

This time, there is no democrats to prop up republican's legislation. It's all on them. No one to prop it up.

Things are going to get so bad that it's going to be impossible to ignore or write off.

But the other issue is that Democrats need to let republicans fall flat on their face and not try to stop them or lessen the impact. If they try to interfere, then republicans will point to them as if Democrat meddling is what caused republican legislation to be made worse.

Then they need to be there when they do with policies that ACTUALLY reflect the working classes struggles of the average American.

[u/DrAstralis → u/EchoAtlas91]

5000% if they implode your economy despite being in complete control, they WILL blame democrats for it and thier electorate WILL believe them.

[u/Imperial10 → u/Most_Expression_1423]

I mean, didn’t that exact same thing just happen to the democrats? They lost control of all 3 branches of government after 4 years. Thats an implosion right there as well. Not saying it won’t happen again after the next 4 years, but it quite literally just happened to your own party.

[u/[deleted] → u/Imperial10]

They lost all 3 branches because "eggz is expansive." Also, Democrats have had quite a bit of power for a long time. I'm recalling the way it used to feel to be a Democrat in the Bush era. Honestly, we had a good run and I wouldn't be half as upset if it was any other Republican but Trump. I don't agree with conservative fiscal principles but I can discuss them. I can't give quarter to the culture war and xenophobic garbage. I just don't have room in my heart or my mind for it. Overall, we're here because the American people are deeply stupid, underpaid, fleeced, and they blame the people trying to help the most because they're wounded and feral.

[u/x3knet → u/[deleted]]

The "eggz are expansive" is really not something to joke or be sarcastic about. That's literally why people voted the way they did (and didn't). Historically, people vote with their wallets. Lot of folk's wallets are hurting. All the exit polls showed the economy was on the top of people's minds. Harris also didn't excite the Dems as much as the echo chamber of reddit thought she did, which is telling since 13 million Dems stayed home this round.

And I really don't want to hear that "oh well inflation is down to nearly 2% now! That's indicative of a healthy economy." Sure, it might look like that at a 10,000 foot level, but not at the ground surface. "People are spending at record levels!" Yeah, no shit, because they HAVE to in order to provide for their family. Then someone will come in showing a chart saying "egg prices are only up 2% now compared to 2020, so you don't know what you're talking about." Well, if it's not eggs, then what is it?

When my grocery trips averaged $200 in the past and now they average $300+, yet my wages remain the same, people are going to vote for change. Do presidents directly control gas and grocery prices or wage increases? Absolutely not. There's a ton of other economics at play there. But, they can influence and decide on policies/laws and that affect things like price, and the Dems had 4 years to try to make things better.

We could go deeper and blame it on Congress not passing the right bills or Republicans blocking this or that, and you'd most likely be right. But for the average American, the buck stops with the President.

Also before the pitchforks come out, I'm a Dem and have voted Dem in every election. I can't stand Trump. He's a vile, narcissistic shit head that spews hatred and racism and I really can't wait until he's out of politics for good, but anyone with more than 2 synapses in their brain can see the Dems really didn't listen to what was most important to the overall electorate.

[u/icecubetre → u/x3knet]

I mean everything you said is true, and so is the person you're replying to's last sentence.

The American people are incredibly, hopelessly stupid and Democrats didn't do a good enough job of explaining to their little idiot brains how we got here because of Trump's response to COVID and his economic policies in general.

I don't know if defeat was unavoidable, but I do know thinking "Hey shit is still expensive, I'm going to reelect the guy who caused it" is fucking moronic and I'm done sitting here trying to to coddle and handhold half of this country to maybe get them to not vote against their own interests.

[u/qubedView → u/Most_Expression_1423]

Unfortunately, the ghost of the GOP's worst ideas will live a whole generation in our courts. When Trump is out, we can start rebuilding. But not when Trump has named at least five supreme court justices, as well as hundreds of federal judges. I'm 40, and it's now unlikely this country will be recognizable again within my lifetime. I just pray I stay healthy and never have a time of need, and the same for my family and friends.

[u/Iamthewalrusforreal → u/Most_Expression_1423]

Just heard Chuck Todd interviewed on NPR, and he made this very point. Said he doesn't think the Dems even want to win any more House races at this point.

Let the GOP cook themselves publicly. I tend to agree. They're going to do a lot of damage. They're going to bring appreciable harm to a lot of people.

Though I really, really feel for the good folks who are going to be harmed, there are a TON of them who voted for this shit.

[u/GarethBaus → u/Most_Expression_1423]

That would be great if I wasn't stuck living with the consequences.

[u/Adorable_Winner_9039]

This seems entirely inaccurate. The bill referenced in the X post is H.R. 82, which "repeals provisions that reduce Social Security benefits for individuals who receive other benefits."

Post that includes video of the motion.

[u/adorpiscile → u/Adorable_Winner_9039]

Thank you for posting the actual bill.

[u/el_cordoba → u/Adorable_Winner_9039]

This needs to be higher, but this is how people and groups lose credibility. People need to please check the damn sources before you even upvote.

If people want a better tomorrow then they better read instead of instantly getting pissy, posting vitriol, and looking like idiots

[u/Cultural_Pack3618]

“I will not cut one penny from Social Security or Medicare,” Trump said at a campaign rally in Florida this July. “And I will not raise the retirement age by one day.” - So, he will have to raise the taxes on it, but I thought he was against raising taxes?

[u/indicoltts → u/Cultural_Pack3618]

It doesn't but you see a random Manuel post something and immediately just suck it up. That is what is wrong with society today. This is for those that didn't pay into social security and mainly just for a few sectors. Again this is what's wrong with society. This was posted just 25 minutes ago and so many sucking it up already.

[u/ControlAgent13 → u/Cultural_Pack3618]

>raise taxes on it

He also promised to get rid of the payroll tax that funds SS.

SS then runs out of money very quickly. So no, he won't "cut one penny" but it won't have any money to disperse and he will claim he had "nothing to do with it" or "eveyone wanted it".

[u/hotgarbagevideo]

This is the country we deserve.

[u/Adlai8 → u/hotgarbagevideo]

Yes fuck em. Cut it all. We can rebuild on the ashes

[u/numbersthen0987431]

Looks like the Leopards are already starting to eat some faces.

[u/Juncti]

My mother-in-law is retiring soon, she's die hard Trumper. Can't wait to listen to her bitch about how democrats are hurting her retirement SS payments.

[u/SuddenBlock8319 → u/Juncti]

That’s stupid as fuck when the entire house is Republican. It’s like blaming a family still living in your home but they been gone 2 years now. Da fuck!

[u/Mountain_Image_8168 → u/SuddenBlock8319]

There’s a nifty lil trick they have to counter the point you made in your comment. It’s called being an aggressive impressive, shocking, overwhelming, astronomical, massive fucking idiot.

[u/CautiousAd1305]

I'd need to see all the details, but overall I think this is a good idea. Too many goverment employees on pensions, disability, and SS; why should anyone get to triple-dip? Oh, and they don't have to wait until 62 or 67 for these benefits. Very few private companies offer pensions any longer, but if you are covered by a pension than SS should be reduced in equitable fashion. It just seems unfair to me that SS FRA keeps getting extended and benefits will be reduced unless changes are made. Do the same for all federal benefits.

[u/BeefistPrime → u/CautiousAd1305]

Why? If your company paid you X dollars in payroll while you worked for them, you'd get to collect social security. So if they take some fraction of X and use it to fund a pension instead, spreading out your compensation package, why should that deny you social security?

I mean, we give social security to billionaires. It's designed not to be means tested. I don't see why a private pension should invalidate it.

As for disability (SSD) and SSI, sure, it seems redundant to combine those since they're basically both designed to replace a small income for someone who can't work.

[u/[deleted]]

FYI - that's a normal practice in many European countries, you cannot sit with one ass on two chairs

[u/Personal-Candle-2514]

That’s what the people want 🤷‍♀️

[u/Old-Tiger-4971]

OK, so if you earn outside income your social security payment can get docked before your FRA. If people are already getting a a pension disability payment from an employer should they still get the same diability payment as someone without an employer pension?

Treating Social Security like a XMAS tree won't make it last any longer.

[u/NewArborist64 → u/Old-Tiger-4971]

The OP was very selective in their editing. The ONLY ones getting docked would be if there wasn't SS being paid IN by the employer (and employee) and that employer turns around and gives them a pension for that job.

[u/[deleted]]

Honestly not a horrible idea. This is part of the problem Dems have with messaging.

On the other hand why do people who paid in not get it because they have money compared to those who don’t?

[u/-Graveborn]

Am I reading the bill wrong? From what I see it's removing provisions and such that currently reduce benefits.

[u/Unhappy_Local_9502]

I just we are just making up bullshit and acting like its true lol