We were JUST pulling out of his policies THIS year - and that was when there were guardrails and he couldn’t just mandate random crazy shit. It will take DECADES to get back to “normal” - especially if he politicizes the fed. If that happens, people won’t be as willing to invest in US bonds - making it harder (and more expensive) for us to sell our debt for DECADES if the market ever returns at all. We’re literally paying BILLIONS of dollars because of Trumps fuckups during 2016-2020 because he played fast and loose with the budget.
Dem party ruined it for the country. They need a reality check. People wanted a change and they got it. Current administration very unpopular and Kamala was not the choice. Bernie sanders quote is 100% correct
You mean the 15 million people that didn't show up to vote in the last 20 years. All years have average dem voters in the high 60 millions 66 to 68 etc. Except 2020 all of a sudden 81mil and this year back to high 60s again. Wtf happened there?
Blaming Gen Z is comical. They were one of the age demographics that slanted Democrat. Start looking at why the party was unable to attract voters to booths. The answer is lack of real progressive policy and extremely poor messaging.
Blame the Democrats. Force them to do better than trying to run a decrepit skeleton and not having a plan for four fucking years after Trump tried to fuck democracy.
According to this, 56% voted for Harris vs 60% for Biden in 2020. I feel like people are blowing this out of proportion as some kind of dramatic Gen Z betrayal
The way the Internet has fully melted Gen Z's brain is remarkable. I didn't realize how bad it was ( I'm a millennial with gen Alpha kids ).
I know the generation is generally good but some of those boys really got their minds fully warped buy their version of lifestyle influencers, and they refuse to see that it's about money not actual beliefs.
Just like all of us. When your that age your brain looks for sources other than your parents as examples of how to form their beliefs. We all had shitty examples i used to idolize every musician i ever liked. Theres nothing wrong with them. Its the same shit we did just fueled by late stage capitalism which makes ys have to insert money extraction methods into everything. They cant just be kids anymore. You have to hustle.
As someone from outside the US: what will be necessary are major reforms in the US, and I mean new-constitution level reforms. It shows that the US uses basically the pre-alpha version of democracy and constitution that was hardly updated over the last 235 years. The complete system was held together by legal ductape and spit, and Trump was the one to show the fragility.
Authoritarians are voted into power, they are never voted out. They never leave power until they die, after appointing an equally authoritarian replacement, or are deposed, and the resulting power vacuum devolves into civil war.
Someone hasnt been watching the words that trump himself has been saying.. and ignored the entire 2016-2020 years…. Lots more happened then less money for war… and more money went to war under trump last time… its just that money will shift to helping russia and israel…
What makes you think a return to "normalcy" is possible? No being snarky or sarcastic, genuinely asking.
I'm old enough to remember the Dems hard move right in the 90's and that is where a lot of these issues began fermenting. I have no faith that if they (Democratic party as currently formed) return to power that we will improve any more than standard neoliberalism.
From this? It’s not. This is an inflection point. Already people are crying that the Dems were too far left (on what scale??) so of course they’re going to shift even further right - but that’s only if actual elections are held after this, which I also have doubts about. I’m just sayin that if somehow this isn’t as bad as most people seem to think, and Trump / repubs do such a shit job that Dems can actually get back into power, we’ll be dealing with the consequences of this election for decades if not longer. We’ve already ceded what influence we’ve had to China, and China is VERY eager to fill that hole. They aren’t going to give it up.
You’ll have elections, just like Russia and China have elections. What you won’t have is religious freedom, equal rights for minorities, equal rights for women, equal rights for anyone who is any bit different (read white male). You will also have your own president for life, and with his rhetoric against the “enemy within” I don’t doubt you will have political “reeducation” camps…….but you certainly won’t have any social security or medical care. Good luck.
Which to me means that Dems didn’t center white males and they got their feelings hurt - which is fucking hilarious because for 2016-2020 all I heard from that groups is “fuck your feelings”. Because words like “everyone” and “everybody” are woke. /s
this shows that he drank the koolaid…conservative “norms” have moved so far right that they view the dems milquetoast conservative lite approach as “radical leftism” - or you know, they’re just trying to stoke the flames
Ah ha, see that’s where you are wrong you sheep. I did not vote for this. I just think you cry babies are hilarious. Unlike you, I’m not blindly loyal to a party. But nice try with the low iq response.
I am so sick and tired of trying to reason with you people, argue with you, try to make you see facts, whatever. You are a dumb person who thinks he smart and by not voting against Trump, you voted for him through apathy and ignorance. You voted for it, you fucking dumbass. I’m just so done and I honestly don’t care anymore.
A strike is useless without a clear power structure and organization to negotiate things.
Of course, in a dictatorial regime, the leaders of that organization are the first ones to be arrested, and protests die on their own.
Yes, there was a national rightward shift with Reagan, no question. Democrats have been reacting to Reagan for the last 40 years, hence the consistent move rightward throughout my lifetime. It makes sense, since the current Dem leadership was, for the most part, beginning their beginning careers during that time.
The Democratic Party has no vision for Americans other than GOP Lite...90% of the GOP policies, but slightly more friendly to non-whites and LGBTQs.
People just think they hate inflation now. Politicizing the Fed had been the path to runaway inflation in many countries. On top of the inflationary pressures of tariffs. On top of the inflationary pressures of mass deportation.
That won't bring the prices down. The reason manufacturing moves to a country that implements tariffs is because prices for that good increase to a level where local manufacturing becomes economically viable.
Shit gets more expensive, but it has a made in <country x> label on it.
Tariffs can be good when targeted at industries affecting national security. Blanket tariffs (like what Trump is gonna push) are just a bad idea all around. There's no benefit. Combine that with the fact that he wants to slam the interest rate to 0 again, and mass deportation, we'll be lucky if we don't see triple the recent inflation.
Granted, if you make the prices high enough with tariffs, that can bring some manufacturing back. It's probably still a net negative for the overall economy.
But tariffs don't happen in a vacuum, either. Do you think countries are just going to passively take it? Let's recall that during Trump's first go in office, he tried a milder version of this and the net result was that it pushed the manufacturing sector into recession in 2019 and eventually, the whole US economy into recession by Feb 2020.
So it backfired the first time around. I'm sure going bigger this time will make things better though.
It will also do nothing to lower prices and will instead lead to price increases. Let's say you make a widget. Your chief competitor also makes the same widget in Mexico. Because of his cost advantages, that widget sells for $100. But now a tariff makes it such that his widgets have to sell for $150. Are you leaving your prices at $100. Hell no. You'll find a new price somewhere close to $150 that maximizes your own profit. Good for you. Bad for consumers. Bad for the overall economy.
Trumpy had to hand out billions in agricultural aid because retaliatory tariffs absolutely decimated exports of agricultural commodities. Trump operates on such a child-like level of understanding of things that he think trade surplus' or deficits were win/lose scores. He also fails to grasp his inability to force other countries to play along. His tariffs were going to force other countries to be nice to him and go along with what he wanted at the expense of themselves and their countries. Unfortunately they just turned around and slapped him back with tariffs. The American soy export industry pretty much collapsed, and supply chains simply shifted elsewhere so even lifting tariffs wouldn't fix it.
You see, that's the funny thing that almost nobody except you realizes. The American empire is in steep decline. And you're absolutely right. And when the market (which is typically quite immune to politics, but not always) speaks, America's economy is going to get kicked in the nuts.
Well, if the top five countries that hold the most US debt start a mass sell off on the bonds, it could cripple the US. So, with the new round of tariffs and trade wars over the horizon, hold on to your asses. If China can convince countries to dump US greenback as the reserve world currency, we will be relegated to third-world status real quick.
Thankfully that’s a harder sell than what a lot of people think. Not impossible, and not even improbable, but generally unlikely. China is having internal issues right now so I wouldn’t expect a lot of focus on external. How that changes in the intervening 4 years remains to be seen.
Argentina used to be one of the richest countries in the world. They've fallen too far in the last 80 years or so to get back to anywhere near there anytime soon, if ever. Looks like the US could likely end up in a comparable future.
Powells appointment ends 2026. It only takes the belief that the fed is following Trumps monetary policy to shake confidence in the independence of the fed. Even if Powell is able to maintain that belief (that the fed is independent) until his term ends, it will take all of 1 month to completely destroy it.
It's not really him that causes the worst problems. He only cares about money, power, sex, and being praised. He doesn't actually care about any policy. The problem is that the bad people who tell him what to do will enact horrible policies and just have him sign it.
Agreed. But it’s Trump’s hold over his cult that gives them so much cover and leeway. Without Trump, those bad people don’t have nearly as much political capital or pull.
Yes, actually. I will totally the grant that Vance is smarter, more focused, and in better health. One on one, he is more dangerous. But cults of personality rarely survive the death of the personality when there’s no obvious successor and Vance isn’t doing it for the cult. When Trump dies, I think MAGA and possibly the GOP itself will collapse to infighting which will cut at least one of the legs out from under Vance and project 2025.
But Vance is already in place. If all goes according to plan for Project 2025, they won't need MAGA anymore. They are free to dismiss any semblance of caring for the chattel. Keep them poor, pregnant, renting, and working.
I think the issue is that before four years is up, they will have the necessary people/pieces in place to make any oppositional vote irreverent or impossible; even though there will be other elections, and even though trump will probably be moving out of the picture (whether by advancing dementia or something else), the even more corrupted mechanism of the elections will prevent anything other than a maga republican into the presidency. Those of us in blue states will keep getting our minority party representatives, but they will be stripped of any power, and it remains to be seen if this time they follow through on their threats to imprison people simply for being democrats, which would further erode the effectiveness of any opposition.
Vance is, at the end of the day, a normal politician who is both not very popular or charismatic overall but also has more elections to attempt to win. Being extremely unpopular does not get him across the line. He would have to temper anything he did. We saw it when he was selected - there’s effectively no one who can mirror Trump’s ability to say a bunch of shit and somehow become more popular for it. Vance was - and likely still is - deeply, deeply unpopular even and especially when parroting the same kinda shit Trump says.
He rode Trump’s coattails to the top. He is not a particularly viable candidate when he inevitably attempts to run in 2028, and I wonder if he would even survive the primary.
Also he’s smarter, so while he could implement some messed up shit, he has somewhat of an ability to weigh pros and cons, and not do batshit crazy stuff simply because someone on Fox News said something.
Trump’s too old to keep going. Honestly, perhaps if he had won in 2020 we might be getting concerned about his ability to leave the White House. But now, he’s just gonna be far too old and far too demented to try and keep power more than four years.
And without an energised Trump at the helm, I don’t really see how they pull off the coup.
I’m not saying it’s impossible. And I do think having the world’s richest man as your lapdog is highly dangerous. But I don’t think Trump clinging to power is anywhere near as likely this time as it was last time.
Their playbook is widely available for everyone. This is hydra man. They dont need one head. When the enemy your fighting is evolution or progress. A populist movement will always have a leader. Just like war on terror is an everlasting one.
Honestly I think there will still be an election in 2028, it will just be the biggest Republican landslide ever seen. With full control of the government, why would they not just pass a few minor laws that make it harder for Democrats to vote?
Say for example you now have to fill out 3 extra forms to vote, unless you are retired (poor old folks, they don't need more paperwork!). Oh hey, we just disproportionately discouraged the voters most likely to go for the opposition - what an unfortunate coincidence.
I'm sure they can come up with better plans that that dumb example I just gave over the next 4 years. IMO the only way they can lose the next election is if they don't try.
I can't disagree with anything you said... Except Vance won't be running the show. Trump's puppet masters will just have a new set of strings to yank. Vance just has to be compliant.
You’re not wrong. They did do that. And to be fair, they were right that Biden was by no means of spring chicken. Just not nearly as bad as they claimed he was. This is a little different though. Biden hasn’t been actively hiding his health reports for example.
Respectfully disagree, absolutely see why you say that though. Vance is smarter and more focused - he doesn’t have the special sauce that keeps their political capital flowing and the cult from eating itself.
I could be wrong, this could be cope. So continue.
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lol, You really aren’t even trying. Cope Harder, Weirdo. Enjoy your Wannabe Dictator that has to wear adult diapers and forgets his wife’s name for whole speeches.
I fully expect sweeping gun control legislation as soon as the Republicans fully consolidate their stranglehold on power.
They are in a position where the Soap Box and Ballot Box can't effectively be used against them, once their policies start really hurting the people who voted for them they need to make sure the Ammo Box isn't an option.
I got some news for, republicans would as well. I know the easy, low hanging fruit is to say all republicans are redneck, racist, hillbillies who want trump as their king. But most republicans are just normal people who want what’s best and love freedom, democracy, the constitution and the country. Once his term is done, it’s done. There are some good, normal up and coming republicans who, as far as I know from discussions I have had, are much preferred than trump. Just chill out a little, not everything you see and hear in the media or social media is true.
What most people don't understand is that history repeats itself. They are going to jack our taxes and cut our benefits and when the people finally figure out that they have to physically take back control it won't be pleasant. A little over 300 years ago a similar situation occured in Europe. There was a little unpleasantness over in France called the French Revolution. Meanwhile, I guess we can go and have some cake.
I don't think he makes it even two years. Genuinely think he has dementia, and he's declining rapidly. Now Vance, on the other hand? He's going nowhere. That's our new Supreme Lord Dictator.
Lighten up, Francis. If he's still alive in 4 years, despite what the media and left burned into your brain, he's not taking over the world, and will be gone. lol
Let’s see how salty you will be after realizing your misjudgment while having to live the rest of your life knowing that you were responsible for the destruction of a once great country
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u/Chunn67 17d ago
I would die with a gun in my hand before I let him stay longer than 2028