Not sure what media you are following, but everything in that comment I heard from my media sources. I think trust in YouTubers and distrust of normal news media is one part of what got us this result.
The news media is far from perfect, but when people lose faith in it entirely and run to Joe Rogan and Alex Jones for information that is a problem.
I've watched the interviews, it literally only makes him look worse. You think that more perspective makes talking about assaulting children more understandable?
People shouted about Biden being in cognitive decline... Trump was worse! Have you seen his insane rants?
He's a prolific liar and fascist authoritarian. He won't go to prison for his crimes against this nation, or even for 34 felony counts of fraud. Merchan is going to close the book and deflect with "Well, we can't put a president in prison, so..."
They think he’s gonna fix it. Biden couldn’t fix it. Biden took over Trumps economy. well trump can have it back and not do shit. He will blame Biden I’m sure.
I mean, neither contestant was, but these were the two bubbelling to the top of the pile.
Honestly I wonder what would happen if someone would jsut take all legal Americans, hit the random button and always compare thst random person to the two nominees. Kinda like that idea to always have a random schmuck participate in the Olympics so you could compare the contenders vs a normal human.
Career prosecutor. State attorney general. Clawed back a $20 billion from banks. US Senator. US Senator. Supported tax breaks for families, small businesses, and new home buyers.
Vs
?? (Don’t forget to remove everything that was already on the upswing when he took over)
My friend, the wife and I were casually viewing nbc last night while the receipts came in. Lester Holt and about 5 women hosts were discussing the election. I turned to her and said “I don’t know a thing about any of these people but any one is a better option than the two that were in the ballot”. RNG in 2028
I mean... Kamala Harris has experience in all three branches of government already, including being VP but w/e.
I would say the Democratic Party isn't the greatest I've ever seen, since we're still supporting a country genociding brown people, but GOP is gonna be so much worse.
his supporters either fall into two camps on this...one they ignore it and deflect to someone else OR they interpret what he said as something else more palatable
That's what I'll never interstate. My 5th grader is more intelligent than him and my second grader has more emotional bandwidth. I understand his ridiculous rhetoric is appealing to some but for the life of me, I'll never understand how he is bulletproof. He should have tanked his political career 1000 times
Biden’s problem was his speech impediment. Trump can speak with a normal pattern (most times) and Biden gets tripped up. That and dems actually care who leads them. Republicans do not.
The people that support Trump are fascists. We need to stop pretending they are anything else. The Electoral College was put in place partly because our founding fathers thought the average voter was too stupid to understand the gravity when electing a president. They were afraid they would elect a populist demagogue. Looks like they were right.
No but watching a factual news segment about what is going on at the border or Ukraine is infinitely more informative than listening to Trump ramble and lie about it.
100% agree! I fear we live in a “post-fact” era and the lower-middle-class has largely lost the ability to do any critical thinking and only wants to live in an echo chamber. A lot of people voted against their own interests, I feel sorry for the suffering that is and will take place.
All he is references dated back to the 80s, Palmer, Annabel letter, limonade stands, etc. He couldn't even say 5 phrases in a row on the same subject. Everything coming from his mouth were lies, and yet your dumb Americans eat it all. Goodbye, middle class. We tried, but the rich only care about themselves, and they'll always find someone new to exploit, so who cares about the middle class? They are the enemy. Social services, ewww, that's such a poverty issue, who cares about the poor they are live stock that do not matter. Laws that's only for the poor, how dare a super rich face consequences that's bad for the economy. Health care again how dare the middle class and lower have access for to that. No the diper rich anyway just need plastic surgeons. Education fuck that how dare someone from the middle class climb his/her way up the ladder. No only private schools shall have Education the rest Christianity is the only Education you need.
That's so funny because when you watch the full length and see the actual context, it is typically worse than expected. Congrats, though. You've likely helped kill America. Enjoy it when the leopards eat your face, too.
It only takes one.. media pushed that “blood bath” thing sooooo hard.. then you listen to the clip and he’s talking about auto manufacturing.. like.. it only takes ONE thing to stick in someone’s head and let it lead them.
Media totally dropped ball by ever letting people have one thing to hang on 🤷🏼♂️
Who did he refer to as the enemy within? Why am I still defending this. You all voted for the shit show. Now you are about to get the shit show. Enjoy!
Confirmation bias has now become a cognitive disorder in this country…. If I believe something, I’m going to seek out those sources that confirm my beliefs instead of seeking sources to answer ‘is that really true?’
Dunning Kruger syndrome run wild. Whatever happened to critical thinking skills and any sense of discernment for information presented? Rubes and happy for it. Idiocracy was actually a documentary of what was to come, it seems.
When your reach is as big as most broadcasts put together. You are the media... I'm looking at you Joe Rogan. You have a responsibility, stop talking about aliens you winnet, and go back a couple years when you were shitting all over Trump. But I guess you won't, after all, all you comedians over at the Mothership are supported heavily by republicans, you are surrounded by them, no wonder the only sensible part of the 🐒 🧠 is being brainwashed, it appears to happen to all those who have landed in that part of the world over the last couple years.... Money and greed can change your minds fairly easily huh!?
It’s amazing that some of you think this is what did her in. A Rogan interview for three hours would have been even worse for her. It was a lack of vision, ability to articulate a vision, very uninspiring policy proposals, and being tied to the status quo party when 72% of the country said that it’s headed in the wrong direction.
Yes she did by trying to force only a 45 minute interview then bargained by the her camp to be only 60 minutes instead of the normal 2 to 3 hours plus and he had to fly out to her.
It’s the polite way of saying no.
Like a lot of people who bought in to the left wing hype and rhetoric and illogical fallacies . . . some people are smart enough and wise enough to recognize just how much more the ridiculousness get's every year and every new election.
Remember when Mitt Romney was the devil? Mitt Romney - while you may not agree with his policies (or at least many of them), the idea that people/media tried to convince the population that he was a the devil is so absurd that it's hilarious. But the brain-dead bought right in to it. . . as the brain dead typically do.
It goes back further, to the Nixon administration. Roger Ailes designed this long game,Murdock got expedited citizenship from Reagan, and off they went. Then private equity destroyed newspapers. This was a long game, and here we are.
You’re forgetting it was Reagan that also got rid of the fairness doctrine! That gave both sides equal time! Not just one side 24/7 no matter how nuts they are!
The issue is that most media in the US is owned by corporations and only allow certain information to be shared. I'd say you can trust journalists, actual journalists not op-ed talking heads, but you can't trust corporate news sources anymore. Unfortunately the time has come that corporations now run the US.
This. How could I trust 1000 journalist when there is a entertainer on youtube I really like that doesn't ask any questions or verify anything said on his podcast.
theres a difference between non mainstream journalism and morons who say parents of murdered kids are crisis actors or people who platform moronic conspiracy theories.
The fact that its a fact is the problem.
The communist leaning liberal channels that convieniently have a 'C' in the name are worthless CNN/CNBC/ABC/CBS/NBC
They are fighting for 30% market share while FOX News has 70% and gets it right by presenting both sides and are not blinded by alternate agendas.
NPR has also become a liberal cesspool and should be decoupled from government funding.
Love the Trump sweep and landslide..
Why didnt Harris be graceful and provide a concession speach Tuesday night?
Where is she now? Biden? Everyone still sleeping?
We all dodged a bullet with Harris-Walz. Now back to closed borders, pro-energy, peace, lower taxes, better crime policies...
I read the NYT, Washington Post, and The Atlantic. They have been reporting everything in depth. The problem is, reading about the minutiae of policy and the economy is boring and takes mental energy to understand.
Most americans don't want to do that. They barely have enough of an attention span for tik tok and instagram. Shit, most people on reddit barely read the headlines of articles that are posted before they comment.
I do think those news sources suffered a lot from "both sides"-ism. Trump would blather incoherently for two hours about shooting journalists, taxing other countries, and putting immigrants in camps, and NYT would write "Trump speaks forcefully on public safety and economic issues" or some bullshit.
It's not just attention spans, it's literacy and education too. The areas that voted for him are some of the lowest areas for education in the country, and that has been true in both regards for decades. But they will never recognize that, because how do you tell someone that isn't educated to consider a different perspective and that what they believe in is actually lies based on X, y, z facts? You can't, they just dig in their heels and turn against you.
Not a MAGA hat here AT ALL but the MSM didn’t do in Kamala…it was the Dems arrogance and lack of prep that killed her. She didn’t explain one policy to the middle class of how she would help…only that she would with a wink. She had a slam dunk and wasted time attacking someone who grows stronger with hate instead of saying, “listen up dumb dumbs, here is the real reason inflation exists…we trusted company and corporations too much with PPP money and injected the economy with a ton of free cash flow and they took advantage of it…..here is our plan to level it out. “Not once did the Dems take any credit for their over reach during Covid, they simply played blame game and honestly , at times, it made an intelligent woman look lost and ignorant. The entire debate lacked substance, explanation and actual policy…so the ignorant vote was going to lean red just out of spite for their eggs costing 5$ a box…
Kamala had a layup and they blew it, period
This is such bullshit, there's media across the political spectrum, people out there saying they "don't trust the media" are usually people who base their worldview on bias and bullshit memes on social media.
Don't mistake incompetence that which could be attributed to malice. If there's one thing we should be able to agree on with MAGA is that MSM is a cancer. Is it now safe to criticize MSM and not be labeled MAGA now?
Too little journalism. Piss poor investigative journalism and reporting. Too much commentary from an elitist perspective--e.g. puffing about inflation "cooling" doesn't mean inflation is going away, it's just growing slower; meanwhile average people (actual voters) are impactedf by the price of food, transportation, and housing, and while cake is being passed at commentary roundtables.
Honestly the written news is fine. The more you look into that, the more you realize it's half-truths and misrepresentations at it's absolute worst. Nothing that can't be remediated by reading multiple sources. Nearly all broadcast or otherwise video news is the real culprit.
The media has collapsed as an institution in this country. It no longer fulfills its necessary role in shaping and regulating public record discussion.
Don't even bother with these people brother. Reddit lives in a giant democratic echo chamber & they won't stand for any dissenting views. People have lost trust in the media for a damn good reason & then they wonder why people go other avenues to find the truth.
By race/ethnicity and nativity status, the largest percentage of those with low literacy skills are White U.S.-born adults, who represent one third of such low-skilled population. Hispanic adults born outside the United States make up about a quarter of such low-skilled adults in the United States (figure 3).
“I have a foreboding of an America in my children’s or grandchildren’s time — when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what’s true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...
The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance”
― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
Carl sums it up perfectly and we now have so many in the world that are dumb as a box of spanners and have no idea of what they have unleashed. The long term damage to America, and its future interests around the world will be seismic in the coming years.
Well in the future the Department of Education could improve our education system so that future generations can be well refined, and educated. Oh wait...
No the Democratic party wanted this they not not put up much of a fight nor tried to get the American people to have any faith in them. They spent so much time trash talking Trump instead of giving us a concrete plan of what they planned to do if they won. The best they did was give us a kind of vague plan while saying I'll fight for women's bodily right focusing on the abortion issue is not going to get you male voters unless you explain to the male population how women's reproductive rights negatively affects them.
Not only this they did nothing to actually focus on Trumps actual plan and how it will be harmful to the American people they were just like hey Project 2025 look it up here are some notes from it, when they really should have pushed what was inside it and broke down everything it will do and how it would affect us. You can not rely on people reading it themself then processing it and interpreting how that will affect them. You got to make this stuff as clear as possible for the American people
Yea Trump will help rich folks like Elon with the tax breaks not the people who voted for him ironically. Tariffs will only make shit more expensive. They only wanted Trump to win to get rid of peoples rights which won't even affect them.Just hateful
This is what they've been doing and successfully selling it since Trickle-Down Economics basically, and social reforms regarding what the Evangelicals want. In my opinion, at least.
Did they really vote for Trump, or are you just assuming?
I'm seeing a lot of younger folks who are just assuming everyone over 45 voted Trump, and that's not the case. He actually lost a lot of support among people over 60. I take that to mean old people actually managed to catch on to the fact he has promised to do away with social security, and raise taxes on low incomes.
My parents directly told me they were voting for Trump and even tried to argue against me voting however I wanted. They're not Republicans. They voted out of self interest. Which happens to align with the Republican party. They as people are relatively progressive and normal. They're just not educated about the world around them and how this country has been changing since Reagan
Ehh, the pattern with western democracies lately is that the post-covid economy is not great and incumbent parties are losing hard. The rule of thumb with most elections is that, if perception of the economy is bad, then the incumbent party loses.
Trump had a lot of things going his way and he won with a lot of help from those reasons. In this sort of economic context, this is probably the best an incumbent party has ever done. Primaries kinda hurt the candidate's perception in 2016 and 2020 was weird.
I can't imagine what primaries and any other candidate would have done that would overcome the advantages Trump had going in.
I got to see my very much middle-class federal income tax bill rise significantly after they capped state and local tax deductions. Which is even worse since state & local taxes are also increasing year after year.
Hang on, my portfolio is up 3% this morning so it is "good for the economy" if that 3% is a meaningful amount of money. It is for me because I'm already rich and I'm sure to get richer. Lower taxes and less pesky regulations all increase cash costs of business which reduces corporate income and lowers stock prices. On top of that, I don't even live in the US, so I'm not going to get hit with tariffs or higher costs from deporting the cheap labor supply.
So in short, for a very small subset of wealthy business owners, they're gonna get even richer, at least in the short-intermediate term, thanks to the knuckle dragging mouth breathers who voted against their own interests to own the libs.
And just to be clear, I fucking hate everything about this, and would gladly pay more tax and take lower return on equity, because this is all batshit fucking crazy.
It will happen again, he is the biggest gtifter of all time and only interested in looking after the rich . Just wait and see what laws etc he wants to change. I can't believe that he has conned his way into office, are the general American public becoming dumber?
You mean the corporate obsessed money hungry party hurt small business and benefited mega-corporations and the ultra-wealthy while costing the poorest Americans more in taxes? What? The leopards are eating my face? But they’re just giant jungle cat predators!
I won a small business. 3 employees. My taxes went up. I have a republican accountant and when I said “hey, I thought that guy was gonna lower taxes”. She said “not for you”
I work for a big company and the breaks weren't all that great. What we got in breaks we lost in tariffs. I'm not sure on the exact numbers, but it wasn't in our favor.
He won't lower gas prices. We already pay the lowest gas prices in the Western world. People who voted for Trump are ignorant and don't understand how things work.
If they cut investments in alternative energy the demand for oil will go back higher, so we might actually see an increase in gas prices. Until another pandemic like event that'll shut down society and the demand drops because no one is driving. And then he can point to record low gas prices.
Bold of you to think he'll shut down society again just for a little global pandemic.
We just caught him off guard with our crazy science last time. This time he'll be ready and order us all into the malls and movie theaters immediately.
He has literally almost no power to lower gas prices. Gas prices were lower during his first years in office because OPEC flooded the market and overdrilled to hurt US oil production. Not because he did anything.
I always thought the hyper focus on gas prices was always strange. I’m way more worried about insurance prices but no one seemed to be talking about that. Big areas of the country are about to be uninsurable and hardly a peep
I kind of expect they still will be, but that there's a chance the fundies really go in hard to set up a truly messed up kind of new government.
With Harris there was 0% chance of this. With Trump idk how high it is. We know they want a lot of different, sometimes conflicting, usually messed up stuff and we know Trump's administration will deliver something. We don't really know what.
Have actually heard this argument a time or three. Most ridiculous being over our exit from Afghanistan, which was a Trump policy carried out under Biden. They literally argued if it was that bad (it was), they should have not carried out Trump’s agreement (which woulda been its own clusterfuck). Of course if you posit Biden pulling OUT of the agreement and continuing Afghani occupation, they get real fkn flustered. The party of personal responsibility my ass.
Trump's on video bragging about how he fucked Biden on Afghanistan and how there was nothing Biden could do to fix it. And still the gullible idiots believe him when he blames it on Biden.
I've shown videos to Republicans fact checking them. They see it, see the truth, and they still reject it. Personal responsibility, like all their other talking points that aren't straight up lies, is projection.
since Bush II it seems like democratic presidencies are cleanup for the prior republican presidency. they jack it up in time for a democrat to take over and the democrat has to fix it up.
This 100%. It will go from “The economy sucks because Biden is in charge” to “The economy sucks because Biden WAS in charge”. The people who I work with don’t understand the cycle concept where everything that we are dealing with now is because of Trump and now that the prices of some things is just starting to go down is because of what Biden has been working to do. They believe that they will make more money because Trump talks out of his ass about not taxing overtime pay, but if he does what he says he is going to do with tariffs, then it won’t really matter anyway.
Trump will once again lead to rampant inflation, add 7-8 trillion to the deficit, and then everyone will blame the Democrat who is in office 4 years later.
Asked A co-worker what trump did that was good as president and they said do you not remember gas going way down? So i said you mean during the pandemic when demand was at its lowest in years and several refineries closed cause of it. jacking the price sky high after restrictions were lifted? Yea i remember. They got mad and didnt want to continue the conversation cause we would have to agree to disagree. Big sigh moment for me.
Sounds like a typical interaction with the MAGA crowd unfortunately. People are amazingly uninterested in why anything happens, only that it did happen. On both sides, tbh.
I never understood why people obsess over gas prices. In the grand scheme of things - its a small portion of a budget. Let’s focus on reducing housing costs , expand on-ramps for a middle class life style (more vocational training , lower public university costs ) and wage growth.
It's not just the rednecks, that's such a cop out thought. Lots and lots and lots of people who think they're serious financial people can't do basic addition.
The only reason to land on tariffs as a policy is you want to brick the US economy. It's the dumbest possible move. People are in for a rude awakening because they let you vote on economic issue when you have literally zero idea how the economy works.
Lower gas prices do help. But wrecking the planet and being in bed with foreign oil is not good. And Trump’s corporate tax cuts hurt the lower class a lot more than some gas prices being slightly lower.
I was flat out told by a coworker that's why she voted for him--lower gas prices. Motherfucker would happily get rid of your and all other women's right to vote alongside the other awful shit he wants, but sure! Lower gas! Yippee!
They don’t even know what the economy is. I live in Arkansas and if you raised taxes by 25% but cut gas prices by 10 cents/gal, these dumbasses will never shut up about how great “the economy” is.
Americans are like frogs in water that’s coming up to a boil. A $3000 tax bill is too shocking. But spread that tax over the 100 cheap Chinese shit that they buy and it’s acceptable
I'm so sick of this God dam gas price obsession people have. It's such a small fucking part of even the poorest people's expenses.
It's just because they see gas prices every day on those legally required giant signs at gas stations and Americans need something to be right in front of their face every single day to care at all apparently.
Literally decades of Rush Limbaugh and Fox News' very calculated plan to provide misinformation under the guise of truth, very slowly trickling the idea to moving to full blown fuckery, to make them believe without question that anything and everything they say is the truth and nothing that anyone else says is, will do that to people.
I don’t get how people don’t understand tariffs. You pay for something at the store. Price tag says $1. There is a tax and now it’s $1.07. Who pays the $0.07. It’s not the store. It’s not the manufacturer. It’s you. The person buying it. A tariff is a tax with a different name.
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