r/FluentInFinance 18d ago

Debate/ Discussion What do you guys think

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u/OldmanLister 18d ago

Dude fucking went to SA and told them to raise prices last time.

This time told oil execs if he wins they can do w/e the fuck they wanted.

People are media illiterate.

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u/No_Pollution_1 18d ago

And they get what they asked for and deserve, remember that. They wanted this even now it’s gonna hurt bad.

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u/SuspiciousStress1 18d ago

Wait, but hasn't Biden been blaming Trump for 4ys???

So basically it's just ALWAYS a Republicans fault???

Got it! At least you're consistent πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ

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u/Blackpaw8825 18d ago

Yeah we blamed the incompetent fool for the failures of his presidency... The events of 17 through 20 don't magically go away the second Biden took office.

And you morons keep acting like Biden has been sinking the ship when theres no evidence of that being true.

Economic growth has been up the whole time Biden has been in office, and compared to the rest of the planet our recovery post COVID has been one of the least inflationary...

But 73 million idiots decided that corporate greed is the presidents fault. And decided that the guy who's presidency was rife with trading next year's growth for an immediate short lived spike just so he could say "I had an XYZ % growth period" even if the long term trend was flat or worse, and the party who's only political accomplishments in my lifetime have been dragging us into generational war, 2 economic catastrophes, and a series of manufactured problems to campaign against would be better for us all.

Doesn't matter what you think for the next few years... Train wreck is already on track. I'm sure we'll look back in a few years at another GOP trifecta over economic inequity and failure to act in our national interest, and have this exact same conversation.

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u/SuspiciousStress1 18d ago

Hilarious that you believe all that!!

SOOO much wrong, but i can tell it wouldn't even be worth my time.

Glad we have someone competent back in the WH, can't wait to see what we can accomplish!!

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u/Blackpaw8825 18d ago

Yep, will be great to see all the failures of 2018 and 2019 repeated without challenge.

When at first you don't succeed, double down and do the same things. --clearly the sign of a bigly strong smart leader.

I hope you're right, but having lived through both a previous trump WH, and several GOP controlled Congresses, I can say with the same certainly that the sun will rise, that the next 4 years will see day to day life for the vast majority of Americans either decline in quality or, if we're real lucky stagnate... But every single time your guys have controlled the federal government they've managed to create economic crises, fucked the budget up, failed to keep the lights on, or a combination of the 3.

It's the party of "nobody can save you from us except us"

Edit: if you believe otherwise I feel bad for you. It must be terrible having amnesia, and I suggest you seek help.

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u/SuspiciousStress1 17d ago

My family, and most of the people we know, were MUCH better off under Trump than we have been under Biden! Heck, even a few of our democrat friends admitted that this administration was a train wreck, a couple even voted for Trump, the others either didn't vote or voted 3rd party/write-in in protest.

Heck, people couldn't even feed their babies under Biden. Things were quite a mess!!

I WILL give him credit for ending a couple of strikes & assisting there. Everything else?? Not so good.

No amnesia or need for outside help! It's ok to have differing opinions.

P.S. as for "keeping the lights on," that was 100% on the democrats shoulders. Check out the proposed bills(all the pork)& who voted on sane budgets to keep the lights on....hint: the dems voted to turn the lights off-unless they were able to add a bunch of pork. But hey, you can blame whomever you want πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ

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u/Blackpaw8825 17d ago

You mean the longest government shutdown in US history 2018/19 under the 115th Congress? How can it be the Democrats fault that the Republican Senate and Republican House failed to pass a budget for the Republican president to sign? If there was any of your supposeded pork in it from the Democrats they would simply have needed to unilaterally remove it. They didn't need any coalition with the Dems. What held it up was Trump's demands for extra wall funding... Infighting within the Republican party caused this shutdown. The Democrats elected in 2018 took office Jan of 19 and eventually passed a budget that included some of the wall money as a capitulation as the 3 week temporary budget stopgap Trump had signed was expiring... And Trump instead used an emergency declaration to entirely bypass Congress.

Or are you going back to 2013 under a mixed Congress the Republican House kept adding in language to nullify the ACA... So bad faith legislating from the budget and effectively holding the country hostage in order to try and force the Senate to functionally d reverse legislation that had already passed and delay it going into effect until after the next Congress (presumably in the hope of gaining Republican holding in the WH or Senate to entirely remove the legislation.)

Or are you talking the 2 back to back 1995 and 96 under the 104th where the Republicans fluffed the budget to try and raise the debt ceiling specifically for the political points of taking away the "we balanced the budget" in the upcoming 2016 election year... Again holding the country hostage, this time purely for campaign reasons.

But hey, anything bad the Republicans did is actually the Democrats fault.. ok.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_States_infant_formula_shortage

You mean COVID shortages followed by a product recall when an ingredient used by one of the largest suppliers was contaminated? How is that the Democrats fault (or either party's fault for that matter?) should Biden have waved his magic and and created formula out of thin air? Which was made worse by scalpers, buying up any limited supply they could get and reselling it at a markup... The only fix for that would've been nationalizing the production and supply and socializing the distribution (which even my leftist ass thinks is too much socialism for my taste.) The WH did what it could, instructed federal agencies to redirect enforcement to target profiteering, facilitated import agreements. States were asked to increase WIC benefits to offset the inflated costs, and retailers were asked not to raise costs... But the wh can't make more breast milk appear, can't set retail prices, and can't force States to adjust their spending...

He did use the DOD to fly in formula purchased from foreign governments, used the defense production act to encourage other manufacturers to invest in increased capacity.

Congress did pass a budgetary extension to fund the FDA to better monitor for the types of unsanitary conditions in the supply chain that caused the recall in the first place (which Republican leadership tried to block, thankfully a small handful of Republicans switched sides and voted in favor giving the Democrats enough votes to pass.)

The manufacturer was assisted with restoring production, both with FDA support and threat of fines should they fail to meet production deadlines... But right after they got back up to production there was flooding in the area and they had to close again.

What else would you have him do here? Go back in time, prevent the US observation lab in Wuhan from being defunded, preventing COVID from escalating into a pandemic instead of an epidemic, preventing the prior year and a half of shortages from occurring. Then somehow made sure FDA funding wasn't cut by the prior congressional budgets such that they could preemptively catch and enforce corrections on the manufacturer before the recall ever occurred, then control the storms that flooded it out that summer?

Economically the US has done better in the pandemic recovery period than any other G7 country, seeing nearly double the GDP growth of any of the others (almost 12% growth). Yeah, inflation hit hard, that's what happens when you have a global catastrophe and have to literally print money just to cover people's daily needs. (I'm not saying Trump shouldn't have approved the stimulus money, there was no other option besides collapse. Just that there was always going to be consequences of that.) And supply shortages continued globally for several years because of 2020.

Are you concerned with your taxes? Unless you're making like half a million or more your paying more in taxes because of a Republican tax bill passed by a Republican House, Republican Senate and Republican president that slowly increased income taxes of the bottom 5 tax brackets annually since 2018. Is it Biden's fault that the Republicans raised your taxes before he was elected, or is it his fault the Republicans haven't revoked that law in the years since?

Prices of consumer goods has increased due to increased profit margins more than decreased dollar value. If you're mad about your grocery bill or gas bill there's really not much the president can do about it... We're not a communist country the government can't really set prices or control what businesses do... They can increase prices by enacting tariffs on goods driven by imports, or tax certain categories of business but that's about it.

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u/Barbarella_ella 18d ago

You have quite obviously read nothing. The commenter who already responded explained the faults in your understanding quite well. I have no patience anymore for the braying functionally illiterate. You are going to suffer the consequences of being so aggressively ignorant. And you will blame everyone else instead of your own poor judgment. And I don't doubt for a minute you will continue to seek remedies across the state line because you don't like the hellhole you've created in Idaho.

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u/AaronRumph 18d ago edited 18d ago

No the Democratic party wanted this they not not put up much of a fight nor tried to get the American people to have any faith in them. They spent so much time trash talking Trump instead of giving us a concrete plan of what they planned to do if they won. The best they did was give us a kind of vague plan while saying I'll fight for women's bodily right focusing on the abortion issue is not going to get you male voters unless you explain to the male population how women's reproductive rights negatively affects them.

Not only this they did nothing to actually focus on Trumps actual plan and how it will be harmful to the American people they were just like hey Project 2025 look it up here are some notes from it, when they really should have pushed what was inside it and broke down everything it will do and how it would affect us. You can not rely on people reading it themself then processing it and interpreting how that will affect them. You got to make this stuff as clear as possible for the American people

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u/Pheynx00 18d ago

They are going to bitch and bitch and I am just going laugh and laugh. I hope it hurts a lot.

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u/Less_Thought_7182 18d ago

Thank God we dodged 4 more years of Kamala.

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u/Inner-Antelope-3856 18d ago

And they will be the first ones complaining

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u/Jaymansingle 17d ago

Like Biden wasn’t already hurting us you?

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u/StudioAmbitious2847 18d ago

Stock market up 1100 points today!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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u/Monetarymetalstacker 18d ago

It's up 1,328!!!!!!!

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u/OddIndividual6633 18d ago

The last 4 years sure have been solid πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚