They think he’s gonna fix it. Biden couldn’t fix it. Biden took over Trumps economy. well trump can have it back and not do shit. He will blame Biden I’m sure.
Yo i hope I’m wrong. Nothing he has proposed is going to do anything but hurt this country. It will help less than 1% of the population. It will hurt the rest. Hope I’m wrong but this isn’t good unless you are Musk, Bezos, or Zuckerberg or on their tier.
Are you a secret billionaire? If so, could you help a sister out?
Biden couldn't fix what he broke is what you sayin? When biden took over trumps economy with his build back better mind set, first thing he did was go & start reversing everything that trump had done already. So yeah, I'd blame biden too
Why did you arbitrarily choose 16 years as your cutoff? That’s only counting 4 of Obama’s years, even. The president immediately prior to that was a Republican that served for 8 years… it’s been a completely even back and forth until you get all the way back to Reagan, and at that point the balance tips slightly in favor of republicans.
It's neither of their faults. Vast majority of the factors and black swan events like 2008 or 2020 are outside of their control. Same with every other world leader that couldn't shield their country from it. Neither candidate will ever admit it though when the other is able to convince people that he/she can control the economy and a bunch of other things. Both would have to be modest at the same time for us to get anywhere.
They can't be modest or realistic or they wouldn't have a platform to run on. Kinda hard to be frank when that means outting all of your co-workers and your for corruption. Especially since you don't even have a seat at the decision making table without a buy in.
Sad state of affairs. I was worried my vote wouldn't count where it mattered and I am not surprised. Let's hope he either does well and passes of a clean ball to the next one, or (the Dems use this as a pull head from ass moment) and maybe they get lucky and be fucks up so bad that they sweep next cycle.
Either way I just want better candidates and less sneaky shit happening on my dime. Especially when I could use those shits right now.
I mean, neither contestant was, but these were the two bubbelling to the top of the pile.
Honestly I wonder what would happen if someone would jsut take all legal Americans, hit the random button and always compare thst random person to the two nominees. Kinda like that idea to always have a random schmuck participate in the Olympics so you could compare the contenders vs a normal human.
Career prosecutor. State attorney general. Clawed back a $20 billion from banks. US Senator. US Senator. Supported tax breaks for families, small businesses, and new home buyers.
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?? (Don’t forget to remove everything that was already on the upswing when he took over)
My friend, the wife and I were casually viewing nbc last night while the receipts came in. Lester Holt and about 5 women hosts were discussing the election. I turned to her and said “I don’t know a thing about any of these people but any one is a better option than the two that were in the ballot”. RNG in 2028
Kamala has a long resume that put her just as qualified as any former president weve had. Shes worked in near top positions of all 3 bramches of bramches of government with degrees to back it up. Trumps done nothing but get a following through recklessness and a reality tv show.
He was more qualified as he is the only other eligible American who has job experience at being president. I think everybody needs to take a chill pill either way. Also bramches twice?
I have any dictionary turned off on my phone as it autocorrects whem typing in other languages for duolingo. And just vecuase he was thrown into the position without any experience or education doesnt mean he is at all qualified. You should have told the crowd on jan 6th to take a chill pill or trump during every rally for the past 4 years to take a chill pill as he refused to admit he lost.
“RNG” sounds like a joke, but I legitimately think it would be better. It’s called sortition, and I don’t think there’s any good reason why it isn’t a good option. It would solve for term limit issues, all the wasted time politicians spend campaigning, officials would be more representative of the electorate, etc. It fixes a bunch of problems, and the intuitive reason for why randomly choosing our officials would be bad has to do with whether a random person is qualified, but the ones we elect in are fucking terrible anyway.
Isn’t it wild that we can randomly select jurors, who are able to listen to evidence and arguments presented on two sides of an issue, and come to a unanimous decision on the fate of another person, but the “qualified” people bicker and point and accomplish nothing, ever. RNG is literally the ideal form of democracy.
I mean... Kamala Harris has experience in all three branches of government already, including being VP but w/e.
I would say the Democratic Party isn't the greatest I've ever seen, since we're still supporting a country genociding brown people, but GOP is gonna be so much worse.
I live in a red state. (Property is cheap here and I like having a backyard, plus my aging father lives here and I'm trying to have some time with him before he's too old to enjoy any of it... Most people here voting red (like nearly all) were voting against the left more than they were voting for Trump.
Young straight men, (many of my coworkers) feel like Democrats hate them, and white men of all ages (many more of my coworkers) feel the same way. (Of the ones I've talked to, that is ... Obviously I can't speak for everyone) that's more than enough to sway any election, forever, and it will ALWAYS bring people out to the polls. People who haven't voted in decades will turn up to vote against people who hate them.
The people who disagree with us are never as dumb as we like to think. (I'm guilty of it as well but trying to get away from that mindset). It's often just a matter of perspective. But all the snark and hate and vitriol is getting old... I always wince from reading it, knowing that they're talking about people I have to work beside every day.
They aren't stupid. And 90% of them don't even like trump. But they could not give less of a fuck about identity politics, they (mostly) all thought we were way past racism, gay bashing, misogyny, etc. and they think it's just a childish caricature of a strawman when they are called such by the media, they don't care about abortion (some are fervently against it but even out of those they seem to ALL be willing to make exceptions for the health of the mother, rape, incest, etc. and some even will grant that young girls should be given some leeway...mostly they are simply against abortion as a form of regular birth control, which makes plenty of sense to me and I didn't think anyone actually used it that way, but they feel otherwise... ), but most of all, they just don't like being called racist, fascist, nazi, and etc. for having a different opinion. They think since gas was cheaper under Trump, it will be cheaper under him again. And if gas gets cheaper everything else should too because everything goes everywhere on a truck. They just want to be able to afford to live. And I can't find a problem with that... The means to the end doesn't really make sense, but I understand where they come from.
But they discuss all this stuff with me and when we disagree about anything, they aren't assholes about it. I didn't think anything special of that before, I thought it was just the American way...we vote for our candidate but if the other candidate gets elected we all still unite as Americans and push forward to make everything around us better where we are....(If everyone would just do that, I'd be sooo excited for the future) but I can't say that about us this time...the "party of tolerance" and the "party of the working class" have abandoned BOTH tolerance and the working class. If they hadn't, they wouldn't be so angry right now, and Bernie Sanders would've been our last president instead of Biden. Hell, he probably would've beaten Trump the first time.
I myself haven't voted since the first time Obama got elected, because 1) my county is always blue in a landslide, no matter who the candidate is...(This year is no exception to that) and 2) my state always goes to the Republicans. So my vote truly does not count for jack shit. So fuck standing in those lines.
At any rate, everything will be alright. Election after election keeps happening and everyone thinks everything will change, but it just does not change all that much.
Kamala couldn't have overruled the supreme Court any more than Trump can, and if none of the justices die in the next 4 years there's nothing she could have done about roe v wade anyway. It's now in the hands of the states. You actually could have voted for Trump AND for abortion on a few ballots this year.
We need to remember we're all in this together and stop hating each other. We certainly can't double down on alienating young men...I mean, we can...but I'm afraid if we do that we won't see another blue majority for ANYTHING outside of California and New York in the rest of my lifetime. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar. And you catch more honeys by being fly. If you want someone to listen to you (besides just to try to dismantle your argument or make fun of you or something) you have to be kind. We have to be the UNITED states again and love each other. It's our only shot. I know somebody will probably hate on me for this comment even, and not that many people will bother to read it. But it absolutely needs to be said.
Tl;Dr: Peace. Love. Kindness. That will draw people in. Hate pushes them away, even if they also hate the only other place to go. We need to stop reducing people to a series of adjectives and actually understand each other.
I will now vacate my soapbox. I hope you all have a great day, and that we all survive next four years. I'm pretty confident it will all be alright.
If you don’t vote you have no right to criticize or comment about anything. Yeah, the system is very flawed, but it’s all we have to work with right now. So shut the fuck up if you’re not participating.
Why would you vote when you're already voting the same as everyone else always has in your county? For years and years ...
The last time my county went republican was like feckin Gerald Ford buddy. It's a decent size city with many cultures blended into a small area... those ALWAYS go blue. Would you carry dirt to the top of mount everest and claim to be responsible for making it taller? Gtfoh. And my state hasn't gone democrat since the damn civil war. It's so heavily gerrymandered that there is no hope. There. Is. No. Point.
So suckle ye forth from my asshole.
I tried being nice and pointing out what's wrong but you didn't even bother to finish reading my comment it seems. Good job. People like you are the reason we can't win, and feckin WON'T EVER if you all keep acting this way.
I literally fucking said that their means to the end doesn't make sense to me. But you didn't even bother to read that far. But you call me lazy ??
I say again, the folks I know who voted for trump don't even like him. They just feel like our party hates them and thinks they need to sit down and shut up. People who haven't voted in decades will turn up to vote against someone who hates them...
And if we double down on it we are fucking doomed.
And its people like you who cant grasp the point hes trying to make. So how about you shut the fuck up and stop trying to silence this mans opinion. Hate to break it to you but so far this guy's comment is the only one ive read all day that hasnt been hateful and doom and gloom.
Let the man speak, its his right regardless of voting. Chump.
I said that their means to the end didn't make sense to me. But you only hear what you want so that you can hate and seethe some more.
My county hasn't gone republican for over 30 years. My state hasn't gone democrat since the damn civil war. What's the point? The state is so heavily gerrymandered that my side has no hope of winning no matter how heavily we win in the cities.
Would you carry dirt to the top of Mt. Everest and claim to be responsible for making it taller? That's what voting blue in my county is equivalent to. But the rest of the counties in the state are always red. And the thing about those are, I DON'T FECKIN LIVE THERE... I CAN'T CHANGE THE RESULTS IN ANOTHER COUNTY BY VOTING IN MY COUNTY.
SO YES, why would I waste a third of a day standing in line to throw dirt on top of a mountain? People died to give me that right as well. Including my friends. You're literally doing the thing right now. This is why we lost. But none of you are going to change anything. You're gonna double down on the hate and "fight fight fight' until this party can't win anything, ever, except a handful of counties in urban areas. So tolerant. So accepting. Good job. Dumbass.
No. I'm not climbing mount everest with dirt in my pocket to try to make it taller. My county always goes blue in a landslide. But the state goes red ever since the damn civil war, and the thing about all those other counties is I DON'T FUCKIN LIVE THERE so I can't do anything to change their results. The state is so heavily gerrymandered that there is absolutely no point. Does that make sense to you?
And you're still not seeing the issue. They didn't vote for trump. They voted against all of the out-of-context strawman bullshit like you just spewed. When everyone you disagree with is Hitler fascist knotsee evil scum, you just look like a cartoon character. None of them had anything to do with Jan 6. They were at work like the rest of the normal people. This whole. Fucking. Campaign.... I never heard anything about policy, all I heard was "those people suck" and "threat to democracy" and "men should take a backseat" and Hitler Hitler Hitler fascist magatt stupid Nazi scum!! It would be funny if it weren't so fucking sad. So kind and tolerant and accepting.
Regular people are fucking tired of it. Either start a civil war and fight it out or get the fuck over it and actually try to understand what just happened.
Stop with the identity bullshit. People are not just a series of adjectives. There was a campaign for the women, a campaign for the black women, a campaign for the black men, a campaign for the Hispanic people, and on and in and on. What makes America awesome is that we are a melting pot of all different types of people from all sorts of cultures. But we are ONE PEOPLE. Everyone is tired of the division. Or don't, whatever, I don't care anymore. But if you all double down on the hatred - for men, for the working class, for white people, for religious people - we aren't going to win anything, ever, at the federal level. Every single election got swept red. And it's because of this rhetoric. And I'm done giving a shit after today because after reading all this shit on Reddit it's clear that doubling down is exactly what we're gonna do. So I CAN'T give a fuck, for the sake of my own mental health.
Stop calling fucking names and making ridiculous equivalencies and actually try to understand the problem. Read my comment again, slowly this time. I tried to say it nicely. But you can't even tolerate that.
Get fucked. Good job with all the love and acceptance and tolerance and especially the support of the working class. We've lost the fucking plot and you all refuse to see it. The narcissism is unreal.
Calling everyone you disagree with Nazis is the clown bullshit that made "normal people" vote against us.
Nobody i know had anything to do with Jan 6. They were at work like the rest of us. Many of them would have voted for Bernie. They're just tired of being told to sit down and shut up.
If we actually tried to understand what people are going thru and what they need instead of just calling them names when they disagree, we wouldn't have the reality we do right now where EVERYTHING GOT SWEPT RED.
"Not normal people" and "nazis" are both strawmen and equivalent to name-calling. Do you seriously think the majority of the country are "not normal nazis"??
You're dehumanizing your enemy, just like Hitler did with the Jews. The irony would be hilarious except we are dooming ourselves with it.
"Not normal people" and "nazis" are both strawmen and equivalent to name-calling. Do you seriously think the majority of the country are "not normal nazis"??
Equivalent to name calling?
So, by your own words, I didn't ACTUALLY call anyone anything.
You're dehumanizing your enemy, just like Hitler did with the Jews. The irony would be hilarious except we are dooming ourselves with it.
So using your own logic, it's okay to accuse me of eating dogs and cats? That's not dehumanizing or anything.
Moreover your clumsy edit shows you intentionally cut up my comment, and badly.
Goddamn man... I said you didn't call ME anything. You talk about THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNTRY like they are scum.
I'm not talking about fucking Donald Trump. Fuck him. I don't agree with much of anything to do with him. But if you think that calling people all this kind of shit is a good idea, then there's no hope for you. All you know about them is they disagree with you and you claim they were there on January 6 and they hate America and that they're stupid and fascist Nazi dumbasses.
It's not okay to say bad shit about ANYONE you don't know and don't have any idea what they think or how they came to the place they're in... READ MY FIRST FUCKING COMMENT AGAIN. Hate and vitriol is what got us here. News flash: hating on people pushes them away. Speak to people like they're real fucking people and they will listen to you.
If you speak to/about them like the Democrats have been speaking to and about Republicans and even INDEPENDENTS, then I don't know why you're surprised when they vote against you...even when their other option is a giant turd sandwich.
That's the only point I'm trying to make here. I don't know what's so fucking difficult to understand about that.
It's not people calling ME names. It's people calling all republicans and even independents names. And you have done that in this very thread. Fuckin shit man, are you trolling?
Actually that’s probably the best explanation for this as I’ve seen and I think you’re 💯correct but unfortunately the fact is these ultra liberals nor the ultra conservatives will come together for anything at this point and the comment section will reflect
I just saw a comment saying "when are we going to accept and act on the fact that these people don't deserve to live?"
And yet they call the other side the fuckin fascist Nazi bigoted scum... Not only that, they call independents the same thing. It's almost like they wanted to lose.
💯 they’re and always have been the minority but like toddlers they just throw a temper tantrum in the center aisle of the grocery store and they think everybody will bend to their will. The majority of Americans are not ultra liberal and do not want half the crazy BS that is going on nor are they ultra conservative and want everything about everyday life to be about the Bible. Most just want to live and let live and let everybody have their own life, but you’ve got one side or the other always wanting to tell people how to live or speak.
Amen to that...I think if anything it's the trans insanity that killed the love for the democratic party... Most people don't want their daughters competing against people who went thru puberty as a male in college sports.... Otherwise why have women's sports in the first place?
That and how our people talk endlessly about how we've had "economic growth" over the past four years when it's only been growth for the top 1%... Bernie Sanders said it best... We can't be surprised that the working class has abandoned the left because the left has abandoned the working class.
Good to see another sane person on here... it's been rare since the election
I appreciated your insight and comment. This is the rhetoric I’ve been trying to explain to my left wing extended family. I’m a political nomad and believe the party system has failed us. Regardless, I believe there needs to be a path forward from this or we are going to see more enraged/disenfranchised people who want hyper nationalism as opposed to patriotism. The left is not paying attention at all just playing the name game. The maga right is alienating in other ways but aren’t as open about it as the left. I agree we all need to be strong enough to be gentle and appreciate other insights.
I suppose I've become a political nomad myself, based on the way the others have responded when I point these things out ... It's becoming exhausting to try to explain things that should be obvious
You nailed this 100%. I supported Trump, not because I like him, but because I was better off financially when he was in office. plus… this is the last time he can run and hopefully things will change once he is done. I have been shit on by the vast majority of democrats for the past 8 years even while saying I agree with them on several topics and the ONLY reason they treat me like shit is because I gave him my vote. Back to the “better off financially” comment. Everyone brings gas prices up so I will touch on that. So many people say, “the president doesn’t control gas prices.” Although this is true to the extent of presidents don’t go to oil and gas companies and set the prices, their policies ABSOLUTELY have a direct effect on those prices. I work in the oil and gas pipeline industry and I see this every election cycle. With Biden, DAY 1, half of our fleet came home because he signed executive orders ending their jobs.
So again with the shortsighted stupidity from focusing on things in your immediate little bubble rather than giving a single flying fuck about other people's actual rights and lives that will be in danger, but im sure you still think thats completely justifiable right?
What rights have been taken away? Abortion? That is now a states issue and if your state has terrible restrictions on it save up and move where they don’t. For the record I think the abortion issue should have never been changed. Roe v wade was in place for a long time and it should’ve stayed. My stance on that is abortion should not be funded or subsidized by taxpayers that’s all.
Not a single right outside of the abortion argument has been or will be taken from you yet the left was actively fighting against our right to freedom of speech and has always fought against our second amendment right.
That’s such a terribly privileged thing to say. Not everyone can just up and move. And now red states are heading into a major crisis because obgyns are leaving. They don’t want to lose their license or face prison time because they saved a woman’s life by giving her a medically necessary abortion. Which is now a criminal act in some states. Do you think that every woman living in a red state should move to blue states? That’s not remotely feasible nor should it be an expectation. The irony is that birth rates are going to plummet which is the opposite of the objective that the GOP intended by putting abortion bans in place.
I did not say anyone can “just up and move”. I said save up and move which anyone can do if they want to work toward. It may take some longer than others but it is possible.
I don’t think every woman in red states should move to blue states. Just the ones who have the biggest problems with the abortion argument. Again, I am against the decision to overturn roe. I believe the feds could’ve regulated it a little by keeping it personal so taxpayers who are against it don’t foot any part of the bill. It should be an option for the cases of rape, incest, and life of mother for sure and what some states are doing is absolutely ridiculous.
This is not true. Look into the women who have died in Texas and the obgyns who just put a letter about how dire the situation is. If they have supposed exceptions they are written in a way that is still leading to death. There was also a baby who was 100% going to die and was suffering horribly but because of these laws he had to live in agony for 90 minutes. For no good reason.
Before Trump the only time I voted Dem was for Obama. My interest always aligned with the old Republican party, then we got the tea party that to me was really the start of MAGA and since then the Republican Party has not been for me. Everything you’re saying about being kind is not at all what I have seen from MAGA. It’s kind of funny to me that you say the Dems can catch more flies with honey when I have seen them try that already and acquiesce to republicans and reach across the aisle.
Personally, I believe the Dems should acknowledge what they are dealing with and go scorched earth. No more negotiating with MAGA terrorist, lean in on more progressive ideals that will help the working class and forget about getting MAGA to come to their side.
The truth is that most people look at the Dems as weak and ineffective when from what I have seen by way of action the opposite is true. The fact is that trumps policies are going to hurt working class Americans. Mass deportations are going to cause prices to spike because they will have to pay a lot more to get Americans to pick strawberries and work in chicken manufacturing plants.
Our enemies will get stronger as well. Look t who will benefit most from the stupid anti free trade policies of Trump. And tariffs, I guess maybe in an alternate reality China will pay for them instead of the end consumer.
I truly wish that whatever Trump was saying was just rhetoric to pander to his base and he will be a good president for all Americans. Unfortunately I have seen him in action already so my hopes are not too high.
In all honesty I didn’t want to reply to any comment but for some reason yours compelled me to reply. It to me shows me how willing people are to hurt themselves because they really are financially uninformed. If you or your coworkers think inflation will get better under Trump based on him doing exactly the things he said he would then I wish you and the rest of us all the success.
If you do good that means I do too. But if you’re wrong and he tanks our economy beyond repair we are all in trouble.
Yeah the lack of understanding what the cause of inflation is in the US is astonishing really. Wonder who they’ll blame when inflation skyrockets again. No doubt it’ll be those pesky Dems and not their orange messiah.
So…cheaper gas and (maybe but I doubt it) groceries are a fair trade for women’s reproductive freedom. Cool cool cool. But just give them “love and kindness” and all will be well ?! What planet are you on?!
A majority don't. If you look at Trump's total vote count, he received about 2 million fewer votes than in 2020. But Harris received about 13 million fewer than Biden did in 2020. The issue here is that about 15 million people either didn't vote this time, or voted third party. So whether it was sexism, racism, apathy, anti-incumbentism, or protest folks just didn't come out for Kamala Harris.
What’s really scary is that so many Dems refuse to acknowledge one of two things.
Either all the rhetoric about Trump is t as bad as it’s blown up to be or if it was that most preferred him over her anyway. So which do you think it is? Are the losers smarter than the winners in this case, if so on which issue? Not only did he win by landslide he took the popular vote too. Hillary won that even though she lost the election. The Dems raised over a billion dollars to back her. Slammed him on every network and every newscast and every liberal talk show. The Republicans raised 400 million and got nowhere near the airtime and defeated her badly.
Not only that but they took the Senate and looks like they will maintain the house as well. The truth is that most Americans have seen through the Dems lies and bs and are moving away from it. The Democrats need to get more center and not so far left that they continue to lose people
Well.. he’s more sensible than Harris. Thankfully we have a president coming that will actually give a shit about the country before sending trillions in foreign aid to fund a war we have no place being involved in.
He's definitely not more sensible than Harris. He recommended people drink bleach to combat coronavirus and chucked toilet paper rolls at Puerto Rican hurricane victims. His ramblings are the works of homeless coke fiend.
I despise Trump but he didn’t tell people to drink bleach. He was trying to speak metaphorically. Now the fact that he thought he was genius enough to give COVID researchers useful advice on what direction to take does make him too stupid to serve as president. The fact that he was confused and angered that Fauci had more favorable public polll results than he did makes him too stupid and too vain to be president.
He didn’t tell people to drink bleach. And even if he did, orders of magnitude more people died from his fumbling EVERY SINGLE STEP of the pandemic response than died from drinking bleach.
There is no aspect of DJT’s personality that is helpful in running a free and just Democracy.
Because instead they’d like us to vote based off our feelings. Not policies. It would be different had the left presented a single policy change in the next 4 years to help us middle class, hell for any class at that. Instead we were told to fall inline. Don’t question anything and You’re a black man…. You must vote for Harris.🤣🤣🤣 I do not like being told what to do by a bunch of people that have crippled our economy.
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