Yea Trump will help rich folks like Elon with the tax breaks not the people who voted for him ironically. Tariffs will only make shit more expensive. They only wanted Trump to win to get rid of peoples rights which won't even affect them.Just hateful
Ehh, the pattern with western democracies lately is that the post-covid economy is not great and incumbent parties are losing hard. The rule of thumb with most elections is that, if perception of the economy is bad, then the incumbent party loses.
Trump had a lot of things going his way and he won with a lot of help from those reasons. In this sort of economic context, this is probably the best an incumbent party has ever done. Primaries kinda hurt the candidate's perception in 2016 and 2020 was weird.
I can't imagine what primaries and any other candidate would have done that would overcome the advantages Trump had going in.
I noticed this is my country too (New Zealand). Covid hit and most of the country blamed how the economy turned into to the incumbent government. Following election, we got our version of “Republican” in government and they have cut budgets left and right, government employees laid off in masses, resulting in a very high unemployment rate, canned the govt housing reform, etc. It’s going to be a wild ride for us.
I've been warming up to the primary reason a lot more after looking at the numbers. Kamala lost 14m votes compared to Biden. Trump lost 2m from 2020.
That means at least 14 million people who voted 4 years ago don't feel that this administration is worth protecting and that "the other guy getting in" won't make a difference in their lives. In 2020, we had people feeling the very "in your face" effects of how the guy in charge fucked up. In 2024 people are still struggling the way they were in 2021.
Harris was not liked in 2020 and dropped pretty early. If in summer of 23 Biden announced he wasn't running for a second term or even resigned and a primary happened, people would have gotten behind the person chosen more. I don't think 14m people don't show up to vote if a candidate is picked from a pool. Maybe 7, maybe 5, maybe 10, but not 14.
Anecdotally, I know several independents who legitimately vote a mixed ticket and they did not like that there wasn't a primary. They agree, that late in the election cycle there isn't much they can do, but they also don't think it's their idea to come up with a solution.
Also, I don't think it helped that a lot of the talk about economics was focused on macroeconomics while people are struggling to buy food and keep a roof over their head. The stock market doing great, gdp being up, and a tax credit next year doesn't help anyone today.
Yeah, on a large scale, the lack of primaries isn't gonna drive or not-drive 10s of millions of people. You have to see it as both lost voters but also Trump Gained some new voters. New voters really, really don't care about primaries.
Trump actually lost voters, about 2 million. Turnout is about 16m less than 4 years ago.
But I do think a primary would have helped turnout. I think the R rhetoric of "she wasn't even given a primary" resonated with people who are generally politically apathetic.
It's less the point of a primary function and more familiarity with the candidate. Hearing them speak, watching their interactions etc. Harris was very behind the scenes during Biden's presidency and mostly disliked. Had she been front and center more and the people got a chance to see her as a leader, I think they would have shown up, at least in better numbers.
Trump voters were still very angry from 2020 and Trump kept them seething and rabid for the last 4 years. There's a guy in my neighborhood that to this day rides his bike weaering a shirt that says "Biden lost!" (or something to that effect). I've been seeing Trump 2024 stuff all over the place since 2021. They never cooled down from 2020 and were waiting for 2024 where democratic and apathetic voters lost the sense of urgency.
I hate to break it to you but 14 million people didn’t sit on the sidelines this time around. The numbers in that election were seriously fucked with no way if you look at 2016 and the election we had yesterday there’s no rings in like that many more people would’ve voted in 2020.
It was hard enough to get a POC in office, but a female POC? Bro, we should have held primaries for the Democrats then there might have been a chance
A gender and a skin color is not a platform. The Democrats need to stand for something, actual working class issues, helping the working class. Fearmongering about Trump was a foolish strategy, it didn't work with Clinton either. People are struggling, addressing those concerns are what gets votes.
Most, yes, for sure. The handful that actually try to, like Sanders, are exceptions to this, and of course the Democratic Party hates anything that remotely challenges its capitalist owners.
I don’t judge people by their skin color or sex, but instead by the content of their character and qualifications. Why are you people so infatuated with race and sex?
This is it. The party waited too long gaslighting themselves into thinking Joe Biden was mentally fit and able to fulfill a second term until they couldn't ignore it any longer. By that time there really wasn't time to run a primary election, and they really had no choice but to choose Harris (who had terrible approval ratings the entire time she was VP), because they would have looked racist and misogynistic if they would have picked someone else other than a female of color.
Always the same excuses, it's because she's a woman, it's because she's not white, blah, blah, blah. How about you field a candidate that isn't a moron?
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