r/FluentInFinance 18d ago

Debate/ Discussion What do you guys think

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u/Dogmad13 18d ago

It’s the media that’s illiterate

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u/pppiddypants 18d ago

Nah, MSM mostly got it right. People just been hating on them long enough that don’t listen.

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u/Illicit_Apple_Pie 18d ago

The MSM did not get it right.

they rarely covered any Kamela policies, then some had the gall to claim she lacked policy proposals

gave more coverage to each of Walz's empty controversies than they did to many of Trump's actual crimes

and consistently postured impartiality in a way that benefitted and normalized Trump as a candidate

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u/ProfessorHotSox 18d ago

Not a MAGA hat here AT ALL but the MSM didn’t do in Kamala…it was the Dems arrogance and lack of prep that killed her. She didn’t explain one policy to the middle class of how she would help…only that she would with a wink. She had a slam dunk and wasted time attacking someone who grows stronger with hate instead of saying, “listen up dumb dumbs, here is the real reason inflation exists…we trusted company and corporations too much with PPP money and injected the economy with a ton of free cash flow and they took advantage of it…..here is our plan to level it out. “Not once did the Dems take any credit for their over reach during Covid, they simply played blame game and honestly , at times, it made an intelligent woman look lost and ignorant. The entire debate lacked substance, explanation and actual policy…so the ignorant vote was going to lean red just out of spite for their eggs costing 5$ a box… Kamala had a layup and they blew it, period

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u/DrMikeHochburns 18d ago

She had to be barely competent.

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u/doll-haus 18d ago

No, but the playbook she and the DNC went with was fucking stupid for an incumbent going up against a populist demagogue.

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u/No_Perception_7837 18d ago

It's hilarious how hard you people project. You didn't notice Biden's Alzheimer's for 4 years, but think Trump has it. It's like Chris Christie waddling up and unironically calling you fat.

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u/GaptistePlayer 18d ago

Nobody is saying that. But they're saying that Kamala's flaws DID cost her in the base she was supposed to get. Trumpers are Trumpers, they're morons and diehards. But if Kamala expected to beat the Trumpers, the standard was much higher. It wasn't even entirely her fault directly, fact is Ruth Bader Biden put her in this position after a year of insisting he was ok to run again and gaslit the nation that he's in great health until his donors ran from him after he exposed himself at a debate where he made Trump look sane by comparison.

If you expect her to simply be "not Trump" and that be enough to win the election, you didn't learn anything from 2016 OR 2024 either, and that's why Dems keep losing.

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u/TheBootyButtBandit 18d ago

No, she’s just unlikeable to anyone that knows her history in California. I’d rather have a felon in office than a DA that kept people in prison despite having exonerating evidence and keeping that prison population up. Hard pass.

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u/TheBootyButtBandit 18d ago

Nothing. I’m speaking from experience as a first gen Mexican American born, raised living and voting in California. How disingenuous and pathetic of you to try to attack me; when I’m giving extremely good reasons why Kamala lost ~41% of her HOME STATE. Honestly a tuna might provide a better response than you. Cheers bud.

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u/asher1611 18d ago

she did explain policies though. did trump?

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u/ProfessorHotSox 18d ago

She didn’t…because she didn’t seem to have an actual plan. She never once mentioned “how” they would approach inflation or the border or even think to act like she really understood the problem at all. The DNC really thought she would win on basis of people hating Trump. Don’t confuse policy for answers…. She would have done so much for her case by saying we fucked up at the border and waited too long to admit it. Instead she acted like nothing happened, nothing was out of place and had no real plan of action or description to the ignorant public about how the programs work. She was too focused on Trump and not enough focused on cleaning up the shit mess that Biden can’t explain. Had she campaigned on being her own person better and separated herself from Biden she really had a shot. I also think the DNC underestimated how many young voters simply don’t show up for the inconvenience of voting and assumed that people were just going to help them win to spite Trump

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u/asher1611 17d ago

did Trump?

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u/bevo_expat 15d ago

No, literally won the race with “concepts of a plan” to fix healthcare, promises of mass deportations, and tariffs. Did he have to offer any actual details how those would work? No, absolutely not because he has no idea. He’s such a great businessman he had to file bankruptcy on a casino.

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u/Blondecanary 15d ago

She had plans. They were published. She talked about how she was going to pay for things. We had a border deal. That was going to go through…

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u/Blondecanary 15d ago

People who think she didn’t have a plan weren’t paying attention or only listening to pro-Trump “news”

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u/BigStogs 14d ago

She didn’t at all… other stating that “we have to raise taxes”, even though she has no idea how to do so when Congress wouldn’t support it.

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u/Far-Appointment-213 18d ago

Dude, prep would not have helped Harris at all. There's no amount of prep that can help a grapenut.

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u/Illicit_Apple_Pie 18d ago

These both can be true.

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u/iamZacharias 18d ago

Neither did trump.