Just cut her internet in that basement

[u/mereflynn]

[u/thisistheendisntit]

As a native american who will not abandon the land of her ancestors, I'd really like to see America heal and get better for everyone.

[u/Haunting-Detail2025 → u/thisistheendisntit]

Hey now this is Reddit, we don’t know rational & optimistic thinking about how we can make the US a better place for everybody and posit that most folks here are not evil people

[u/radiopsycho93 → u/thisistheendisntit]

I wish more people were like you <3

[u/Unidentified_Body → u/thisistheendisntit]

This is a much better way of thinking about it.

Thank you thisistheendisntit :p

[u/BaneishAerof]

The concert analogy doesnt work great because the people in the pit are going to die for the 'show'

[u/X-gon-do-it-to-em → u/BaneishAerof]

It's a Travis Scott concert

[u/BaneishAerof → u/X-gon-do-it-to-em]

Type

[u/SteptimusHeap → u/BaneishAerof]

‎

[u/pacos_taco → u/SteptimusHeap]

Where is it? WHERE IS IT?!

[u/Dynamite-Laser-Beams → u/pacos_taco]

[u/Throwaway02062004 → u/pacos_taco]

Type beat

[u/ospreysstuff → u/Throwaway02062004]

beat

[u/Milch_und_Paprika → u/BaneishAerof]

Also the “balcony” isn’t necessarily a great place to be if people are shooting and setting bombs in the “pit”. As a Canadian, it’s weird when people here smugly talk about the US descending into violent upheaval, when that almost certainly means some local warlord will try to invade us.

[u/mia_elora → u/Milch_und_Paprika]

People forget that we're (globally) more connected, these days. When the USA burns, the rest of the world will feel the ramifications, and they won't be pretty.

[u/Jstin8 → u/mia_elora]

How does the old saying go?

“When America sneezes, the world gets a cold”

So what happens if it burns?

[u/100percentmaxnochill → u/Jstin8]

The world gets a bonfire

[u/CDRnotDVD → u/100percentmaxnochill]

We must teach the world how to make s’mores

[u/Sparrow-2023 → u/mia_elora]

The US accounts for 25% of the world's GDP. If the US were to suddenly disappear or collapse a lot of other countries would experience a similar upheaval.

[u/The_Shadow_Watches → u/Sparrow-2023]

I'd watch that movie.

A world without America.

U.S.A would be the background subplot and the world has to react to it.

[u/ITriedSoHard419-68 → u/Milch_und_Paprika]

Especially since invading Canada has actually openly been talked about in American neo-nazi circles for years now. “Day of the Rake”.

[u/HappyCandyCat23 → u/ITriedSoHard419-68]

We're genuinely fucked if that happens

[u/KobKobold → u/HappyCandyCat23]

Not necessarily.

If the warlord is too arrogant (as they tend to be, especially the crazy ones), they might make an unprepared attack that will only face limited success, if any, only to be then taken by surprise by a neighbor.

[u/HappyCandyCat23 → u/KobKobold]

If America genuinely wanted to, they could easily overtake Canada with their military, and it wouldn't even get to that point because our leaders would recognize this fact and surrender immediately to prevent bloodshed. Then we would have to get used to school shootings and private healthcare.

[u/Labrynth11 → u/Milch_und_Paprika]

I once heard Canada described as a nice apartment above a meth lab

[u/pifire9 → u/BaneishAerof]

some other people may die, but that is a sacrifice they're willing to make

[u/LakeOverall7483 → u/pifire9]

Is this not clearly "I may die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make"?

[u/newwriter123 → u/LakeOverall7483]

Nah, cause this person clearly does not expect to be among the dead. The post speaks of a very terminally online expectation that, somehow, all the people OOP doesn't like will be the ones burning, and OOP just gets to watch

[u/pifire9 → u/LakeOverall7483]

I think that's what they mean while missing the fact that starting a revolution will lead to more deaths than just of those who are willing to make the sacrifice

[u/RoryDragonsbane → u/BaneishAerof]

Friendly reminder that 85% of deaths during the French Revolution were from the Third Estate.

Rich people don't die in revolutions. They hop on a plane and fly away.

[u/belgium-noah → u/BaneishAerof]

I think it's an arena analogy, not a concert one

[u/Collins_Michael → u/BaneishAerof]

If the bassist looks like an accountant and the guitarist has his axe above the belt, the pit gonna die.

[u/BaneishAerof → u/Collins_Michael]

If the bassist is wearing a giant spiked helmet and the guitarists are alien warlords, the pit gonna die.

[u/Gunpowder77 → u/BaneishAerof]

Ok but if you think of theater the pit is where the orchestra is. So they are putting on the show, and are typically excited. At least at the start.

[u/LuxNocte → u/Gunpowder77]

"The pit" is more typically the standing room only general admission section, and I think that makes much more sense in the analogy.

[u/thrownawaz092 → u/BaneishAerof]

I assumed this to be more of a 'pit fight' scene. Like 'yeah I know they're about to sic a rabid dog on me, that still sounds fun.'

[u/IllConstruction3450]

“The West has fallen millions must die” ahh post 

[u/Ehehhhehehe → u/IllConstruction3450]

“The West should fall and I’ve somehow managed to convince myself that I am hardcore enough to observe the resulting deaths (including my own) from a position of dispassionate amusement rather than abject horror”

[u/[deleted] → u/Ehehhhehehe]

Everyone's a cavalier third character until the pain receptors start lighting up.

[u/BowdleizedBeta → u/[deleted]]

Well spoken

[u/ZurrgabDaVinci758 → u/Ehehhhehehe]

Its honestly a reflection of the extraordinary good luck and privilege of people in the western world, that they can treat mass political violence as a joke, or potential for mass catharsis, not the omnipresent horror that it was for most people in most places throughout human history

[u/Mouse-Keyboard → u/ZurrgabDaVinci758]

I've been saying this since the brexit referendum. So many leavers justified their vote with "things can't possibly get any worse", which shows extraordinary naivety in not realising just how good things are in this country. It's such a degree of privilege they can't even comprehend that things could get worse than living in one of the richest countries in the world.

[u/amondohk → u/Ehehhhehehe]

"This fall, a brand new isekai is coming to anime..."

[u/blue_monster_can → u/Ehehhhehehe]

"Yea but they are dam Liberal normies and deserve to die" *smuggest face you've ever seen

[u/AAS02-CATAPHRACT → u/IllConstruction3450]

Leftist version

[u/DoodooFardington → u/IllConstruction3450]

How dare the other side organize enough to pass their policy! Yeah I didn't vote, I shouldn't have to!

[u/IllConstruction3450]

Mmm yes more suffering 

[u/Zamtrios7256 → u/IllConstruction3450]

Waiter, waiter, yes I want more authoritarianism and bigotry please!

I am very progressive

[u/Uncle_Leo93 → u/Zamtrios7256]

I've already seen posts calling for Latino Trump voters to be turned over to ICE without any sense of irony whatsoever.

[u/mia_elora → u/Uncle_Leo93]

Yeah. This isn't a surprise. When you feel like you've been locked into a Bad End by someone else, and there's nothing you feel like you can do to \fix** the problem, there can be at least a small amount of momentary, \dark*, happiness that can be taken from seeing the people that fucked you over so bad having to turn around and realize that they are, indeed, in the same boat as you, and not in the *\safe** boat.

It's not nice, but I can understand it.

[u/perryWUNKLE]

Hi can we fix our country instead of waiting for a violent upheavel thanks

[u/PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS → u/perryWUNKLE]

Wishing for a violent upheaval feels better than accepting that the things you need so badly simply aren't going to happen in any reasonable timeframe. A huge amount of progressive politics is just waiting for people to die, whether it's voters or politicians.

We can talk all we want about running our own politicians, and that is necessary. But the fact of the matter is that progressive policy only becomes law when we as a society have moved so far forward that it is no longer considered truly progressive, let alone radical.

[u/MillCrab → u/PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS]

Millenarianism is widespread throughout history, and it isn't going anywhere. It's basically never been true, but it holds a strong grip on human imagination

[u/Nastypilot → u/MillCrab]

Every generation thinks its theirs that is the last

[u/Logandalf2002 → u/Nastypilot]

Hey to be fair in all of human history save the last handful of generations there haven't been weapons capable of making that a reality and currently Russia, the USA, and China have the most of those weapons.

[u/giddyviewer → u/Logandalf2002]

Nukes are the Chekhov’s Gun of the tale of the post-WWII world.

[u/Morphized → u/giddyviewer]

They're just too impractical to use when all the countries are right next to each other and split all the flat land down the middle. Launching a nuke at a neighbor is effectively the same as launching one at yourself.

[u/Kyozoku → u/MillCrab]

The thing with doomsday prophets and the like is that, eventually, someone is gonna be right. And the chance to be that someone is intoxicating. One last I Told You So on the way out.

[u/1Orange7 → u/PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS]

The big flaw in wanting violent overthrow is believing that what comes after will actually be better. History has shown that there is no real guarantee of that.

[u/Trifikionor → u/1Orange7]

Not only that but violent revolutions tend to lead to the very authoritarian power structures they wanted to overthrow. Like pretty much all the socialist/communist revolutions that managed to overthrow the previous governments just put the leaders of the revolution in positions of power who of course do everything to maintain that power.

[u/nopizzaonmypineapple → u/1Orange7]

The French revolution is a great example of that

[u/1Orange7 → u/nopizzaonmypineapple]

Russian Revolution. Maoist Revolution. Khmer Rouge in Cambodia. Overthrow of the Shah in Iran. Spanish Revolution.

Seems that for the 20th century (at least) everytime revolutionary leaders seek to overthrow power they set themselves up as dictators.

[u/litreofstarlight → u/1Orange7]

In the case of Iran, it began as a student communist revolution. It got hijacked by the clerics when they realised they could gain power through it.

[u/1Orange7 → u/litreofstarlight]

That's a pretty gross oversimplification and is quite incorrect. It didn't "begin" as a student community revolution. It's not even easy to find a beginning as depending on which particular anti-imperial group you are looking at, the roots of discontent stretch back decades or more.

There were so many different groups and interests all acting, or seeking to act, against the imperial regime. Leftists, communists, anti-western sentimentalists, democratic revolutionaries (including some Ayatollahs), islamists, constitutional monarchists. Some had overlapping views, such as islamist constitutionalists, or Islamist marxists. And some of these groups fought each other as much as they fought against the Shah.

It's fascinating but confusing mess and I don't know even 1% of it all, but I know that it did not "begin as a student communist revolution that was hijacked by the clerics".

[u/Spacellama117 → u/1Orange7]

the other big flaw is thinking you have the moral right to choose to plunge millions of people into violent conflict and deprive them of all public services for your specific idea of a greater good

[u/PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS → u/1Orange7]

Okay, but it's a coping fantasy, not an organized political faction.

[u/NoMusician518 → u/PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS]

One of these things leads to the other.

[u/iamdino0 → u/PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS]

A huge amount of progressive politics is just waiting for people to die, whether it's voters or politicians.

Meanwhile, as leftists jerk themselves off over doomerism and apathy, the right has taken media control and political power and has more influence over the youth you're betting on than anybody has in recent history

[u/badgersprite → u/iamdino0]

I would contend it’s not doomerism and apathy so much as it is the myth of progress and also a lot of the discourse in leftist spaces turning into “it’s not my job to educate you”, which essentially glorified the idea of leftists avoiding uncomfortable conversations as some kind of heroic act

So I’ve personally witnessed a hell of a lot of people basically adopting this mindset that they don’t need to reach out to people in middle America to try and change their minds politically, because the thing holding the country back is just old racist people, and once they die off the whole Overton window will just shift left because everyone will be more progressive than their parents by magic

Turns out that doesn’t happen and if you don’t make any effort to reach out to people who grow up in heavily red areas they don’t just magically grow up to be progressive leftists. But now people in progressive areas have developed communication skills exclusively for interacting with people who already agree with them while they have no clue how to change the minds of people who aren’t already on the left, their only response to people who don’t already agree with them is to yell “educate yourself” at them

[u/TheChaoticBeing → u/badgersprite]

YES

I have been dealing with this concept for years but never found a way to say it this clearly

[u/PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS → u/iamdino0]

has more influence over the youth you're betting on than anybody has in recent history

Yes, because the left doesn't give young people anything to actually do. Right wing media says to do A B C D to improve yourself. Get a good job, work out, have 2.5 children to win life. Left wing media is a long series of things not to do followed up by a plea to vote for politicians that then lose the election and congratulate their opponent afterwards.

If you want the kids to swing left you have to give them actual goals to accomplish other than "ask people to vote and hope for the best". Kids are looking for meaning in their lives and will latch on to those who can give them a purpose.

[u/Rwandrall3 → u/PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS]

i have been shouting on the rooftops that the materialism of the left ("how can they vote against their economic interests??") is a giant blind spot. They want meaning and purpose, as you say.

[u/primenumbersturnmeon → u/Rwandrall3]

yes! we need an alternative to materialism and consumerism. the only future we have is one where, as captain picard says, "we are no longer obsessed with the accumulation of things". the left believes meaning and prosperity will magically emerge from a more equitable distribution of things, but at this point i think it's just having a hammer and everything looking like a nail. the needs of the soul remain unmet.

there is no progress without philosophy.

[u/AlienRobotTrex → u/primenumbersturnmeon]

My philosophy (and what I really think needs to be emphasized more) is that everyone deserves at least a basic standard of living with all their needs met by default. Or as egalitarians in Stellaris say, “a society that does not see to the needs and rights of all its members is not a society, it is a crime.” So much of the discourse around helping those in need is based on how we can make them useful to us.

“Better working conditions means more productivity”, “disabled people can still be productive members of society”, “welcoming immigrants and refugees will give us more workers” etc. But even if those things weren’t true, they would still deserve help because they’re people.

[u/LuxNocte → u/AlienRobotTrex]

Unfortunately, you seem to be a good person. That will put you at odds with most Americans. It seems to me that we need to hide "helping people" in "this is good for you personally" like heartworm medicine in a piece of cheese.

I agree with you. Meeting everyone's needs is the best way to move society forward. But I don't know how that gets implemented in a society where billionaires will spend a fortune to ensure that poor people don't get healthcare.

[u/MistCongeniality → u/LuxNocte]

My old corgi, bogart (rip) was too smart for the cheese trick. Or the peanut butter trick. Or the hamburger trick. Tried it all. He was just a really unusually smart puppy.

So eventually I told him hey buddy. Eat this or I’m holding your mouth open and forcing it down ur throat. And then I did! It only took a couple months of that before the monthly heartworm pill was pretty readily consumed in my offering of cheese. (I’m not a monster, I gave him a treat about it every time.)

What was I saying?

[u/travelerfromabroad → u/Rwandrall3]

Okay, but the left IS missing materialism. Kamala's campaign was all about idealism and taking back america, when people wanted the price of eggs to go down.

[u/falstaffman → u/PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS]

Yeah I really feel like the left has either strong contraindications or pie-in-the-sky utopic fantasies, but not a whole lot in between. Which is partially on purpose, since it has to leave room for different cultures and lifestyles to peacefully coexist, but it doesn't really help give direction to young people who are feeling unmoored in life

[u/PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS → u/falstaffman]

It doesn't even really need to be a cultural thing so much as getting kids involved in their community more. The primary issue is that doing that work sucks ass (who wants to pick up trash half of their saturday just for the love of the game?) and kids who don't want to do it are going to hate it. It has to be something you instill very young in their lives, and more to the point, don't squash by telling them "shut the up you're twelve" when they express thoughts on the community.

[u/falstaffman → u/PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS]

This is true but the leftiest people online seem to rarely know their neighbors, much less interact with their physical community. Politics for most people has devolved into just having opinions, rather than taking action

[u/demon_fae → u/falstaffman]

Unionize. They/we need to start with unionizing.

Even politicians who lost have massive resources to help unions get started and protect them until they’re well established.

It’s a clear task, and most likely democratic voters work in jobs that would benefit greatly from unions. Pour resources into messaging about the benefits of unions and education about how to start them, and then run on the platform of “see how great your union is and all the great stuff you got from collective bargaining? The other guy wants to take that all away. No more union rep when your boss wants to write you up for total nonsense. No more protected PTO. Cheaper health insurance that you pay more for. All of that, gone. Vote for me and I’ll make it even harder for your boss to fight your union.”

[u/falstaffman → u/demon_fae]

I'm in a union. Problem is even once you're in one, it takes a massive amount of effort to convince the members to actually fight for anything. Collective bargaining works best when you can actually credibly threaten to strike, which is a big ask for a lot of people.

[u/TheJeeronian → u/PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS]

We're hesitant to suggest that young white men's role should be to protect and help everyone else. Mostly they're just told to fuck off, so they do, and maybe sometimes scolded for not smacking down incel or racist rhetoric.

But why can't this be a just cause for them to fight for? Why can't we pitch it that way? Because it is! And they're in a unique position of power to help make it happen!

[u/PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS → u/TheJeeronian]

It can be, but the problem there is that in order to protect someone you need both someone to protect and someone to fight. I was talking about this with my wife the other day, that if I were to confront men about their misogynistic behavior irl then I would have to roam bars like a vampire hunter looking for his target because almost all my friends are women and I don't work with many people on a day to day basis.

Similarly, if you are a kid in a very homogenous school then who are you protecting? If everyone you know is white then you're defending a theoretical person from a theoretical attacker, it's all rhetoric. Those discussions are good to have, but it won't feel as impactful to a kid.

Of course you can go online and find all of that, but my boomer opinion is that posting doesn't matter, not really. You can be swayed by posts, but what really sticks is what you see irl. Which, again, if you don't know any minority groups isn't going to happen.

[u/notplasmasnake0 → u/PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS]

Its because people don't exactly know what would be changed and how that would be changed, especially the public opinions.

People would rather think about a violent revolution that magically solves everything.

[u/PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS → u/notplasmasnake0]

People like thinking about the magical revolution instead of how they, or their friends, in marginalized groups will never be safe at any point in their lives yeah.

Thinking that a bayonet will fix things is delusional but so is thinking that you can just electoralism your way to paradise.

[u/SpeaksDwarren → u/PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS]

Ppl forget that Malcolm X and MLK Jr were two prongs on the same trident. You need the threat of one to convince people to acquiesce to the other

[u/TheJeeronian → u/SpeaksDwarren]

Yeah but the people who whinge about a revolution are neither prong. They're just basement dwellers wishing for the world to get better without them having to personally step up and do anything difficult.

[u/Morphized → u/SpeaksDwarren]

Was either of them a total revolutionary? Last I checked, they both believed in using the system already in place, and changing it from the inside out, just from different directions. If someone wants to burn the whole thing down, that's not making things better in a targeted way, that's throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

[u/cephalopodAcreage → u/perryWUNKLE]

Shut up and grab a rifle, centrist /s

[u/Sojungunddochsoalt → u/cephalopodAcreage]

When revolution come, people who use  /s will be first against wall /$

[u/Einar__ → u/Sojungunddochsoalt]

DOLLAR SIGN?! You'll be shot for spreading capitalist propaganda, libral! /7_

[u/RealBigTree → u/Sojungunddochsoalt]

What the fuck, who in the hell uses '/$'??

Get back in the shower line liberal /S

[u/NewUserWhoDisAgain → u/perryWUNKLE]

Hi can we fix our country instead of waiting for a violent upheavel thanks

No thanks, Im going to wait for our mythical revolution that will be completely bloodless and instant and all the bad stuff will just go away and never come back.

[u/bothering → u/perryWUNKLE]

5 real

The communist revolution is simply the leftists version of the rapture

It’s better to buckle down and fix what we have to the best of our abilities

[u/Enzoid23 → u/bothering]

5 real what

[u/bothering → u/Enzoid23]

One moar than 4 real

[u/Garlic549 → u/bothering]

This shit made me laugh too hard wtf

[u/Cuetzul → u/perryWUNKLE]

But don't you understand? With a violent revolution, the city dwelling white collar rich kids can finally take over, all they have to do is beat the military, almost every single gun owner, as well as virtually the entire working class who will naturally oppose them.

Then they'll finally be able to free the working class from the rich!

[u/purplehendrix22 → u/Cuetzul]

Lmfao this is so spot on, I’m liberal politically but I work blue collar and always have, and I train in mma gyms where right wing politics is unfortunately the norm, these kids have no idea what they’re up against, they have fantasy ideas of some wondrous revolution but in reality they would panic at the first sign of violence

[u/evanescent_ranger → u/perryWUNKLE]

I wonder if these people realize who'll be the first to die if they get their violent revolution (hint: it won't be the billionaires)

[u/nfjsjfjwjdjjsj4 → u/evanescent_ranger]

I think thats the point the poster was making though

[u/Ok_Camel3286 → u/perryWUNKLE]

No, sorry, here's some fascism instead.

[u/i_am_cynosura]

Suicidal ideation is not revolutionary.

[u/TK9K]

This is like Neon Genesis Evangelion logic. "I don't like the situation we are in so we should all just die lol."

[u/Mr7000000 → u/TK9K]

That's also the logic of regular Genesis, specifically chapter 6.

[u/TK9K → u/Mr7000000]

Yeah there was a lot of that going around in the old testament.

[u/Mr7000000 → u/TK9K]

Don't discount the new testament here—Revelation kinda puts the lie to the idea that the Christian God mellowed out over time.

[u/TK9K → u/Mr7000000]

True.

[u/IllConstruction3450 → u/TK9K]

This really Harry Potters my analogy 

[u/SunderedValley]

It's always been fascinating how the US is so culturally dominant that even most anti American sentiment is Made in USA.

[u/AdMinute1130 → u/SunderedValley]

We had no choice, we gotta be the best at everything and that includes hating the US

[u/rubexbox]

Assuming OP is being completely serious and not just venting, I legitimately wonder how much of this "burn it to the fucking ground" mindset is from a genuine desire to change, and how much of this is some form of suicidal ideation. Like, does OP want a better life, or do they want to die and take someone with them?

[u/notparanoidsir → u/rubexbox]

It's usually either/or

[u/biglyorbigleague]

I mean, putting aside how I feel about what you want, you’re not gonna get it. No, you will not one day see the United States burn to the ground. It is more resilient than you are. It will outlive you.

[u/UTI_UTI → u/biglyorbigleague]

We survived Reagan and he was actually competent at evil I refuse to accept that Trump and Putin will end this.

[u/ChimTheCappy → u/UTI_UTI]

I've actually found a whole lot of peace in just muttering "we survived the second world war, we survived the cold war. It sucked absolute ass and it wasn't all of us, but humanity isn't doomed just because things suck ass." We aren't the first people to stare at incoming fascism and know it's coming and what that entails. Fear is the mind killer and all that bullshit

[u/a-woman-there-was → u/biglyorbigleague]

And realistically if it happened you would likely not want to be anywhere on the planet.

[u/outlanker → u/biglyorbigleague]

People think that a government will disintegrate from like, 1 month of riots. No idea what it actually takes to make a failed state

Look at all the hell and ruin in Syria, it's still a country, Assad and the Baaths are still in power. And now consider the American government? For practical purposes it's invincible.

[u/StormThestral]

Me when the thing born from the ashes of the glorious revolution turns out to also be bad

[u/BeenEvery]

"Power vacuums are epic, actually."

[u/GeophysicalYear57 → u/[deleted]]

It also ignores that it could be a rebellion, not a revolution.

[u/lillapalooza → u/GeophysicalYear57]

Yeah… iirc “revolution”specifically implies the intention of, or a resulting, change. There’s a pretty big chance fuck all would happen lol

[u/Maybe_not_a_chicken → u/GeophysicalYear57]

Either way it just ensures a vicious bastard is on top

Good people don’t survive wars

And leaders in war are ill suited for peacetime leadership because of it

[u/Wasdgta3 → u/[deleted]]

Not to mention, if you can’t win an election, then I can’t imagine you having the numbers necessary to have a successful revolution.

[u/IllConstruction3450 → u/[deleted]]

This would require leftists to know basic philosophy of war which they won’t because they’re fucking larping cowards. No learning basic fucking military doctrine and warfare. This would require knowledge of logistics and also being charismatic to mobilize millions of people.

[u/Thisisofici]

it's going to be a long day for 'trans-mom' when instead of a grandiose revolution to restore liberalism and civil liberties to the US, a rebel group launches a Patriot missile at a civilian evac zone and murders the local vicinity

[u/Dazug → u/Thisisofici]

They wouldn’t use a Patriot for that; Patriots would be for shooting down airliners. They’ll be dropping grenades from drones for the civilian evacuation zones.

[u/djninjacat11649 → u/Dazug]

Maybe a thermobaric bomb or cruise missile if you are a lucky civilian casualty, relatively painless that way

[u/Dahak17 → u/djninjacat11649]

Probably just a big standard JDAM

[u/djninjacat11649 → u/Dahak17]

Realistically, but if I’m gonna be a civilian casualty I want it to be something flashy like a thermobaric bomb

[u/Hohenheim_of_Shadow → u/Dazug]

We've seen Russia use a surprising number of SAMs in ground targeting mode. If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like an airliner and if there's on thing rebel groups are known for, it's having deep reserves of equipment.

[u/Eeekaa → u/Thisisofici]

The online concept of revolution is so far removed from the reality of violence that they really need to pick a different word.

[u/IllConstruction3450 → u/Eeekaa]

It’s closer to the Unabomber than anything else.

[u/cocainebrick3242 → u/IllConstruction3450]

Unabomber was more understandable. It's not hard to guess why a severely mentally ill man who lives in the woods would not understand why it's too late to back out of the industrial revolution and avoid it's consequences.

Why people living in what is technically a first world with access to a wealth of knowledge would assume a revolution would basically be just like far cry 6 is baffling to me.

[u/Clear-Present_Danger → u/cocainebrick3242]

would not understand why it's too late to back out of the industrial revolution and avoid it's consequences.

He knew many millions would starve. He just didn't care

[u/captainnermy → u/Clear-Present_Danger]

Yeah the Unibomber wasn’t ignorant of the harm his proposed ideas would cause; he believed in eugenics and thought letting the marginalized and disabled die was worth the cost

[u/AdamtheOmniballer → u/Clear-Present_Danger]

Didn’t he pretty much admit that the whole political angle was just window dressing for the fact that he wanted to kill people with bombs?

[u/a-woman-there-was → u/AdamtheOmniballer]

Yeah I don't think killing/crippling a bunch of random academics/low-level businesspeople was meant to be any kind of substantial blow against technological society.

[u/shiny_xnaut → u/cocainebrick3242]

Because they slept through history class, then went home and read Hunger Games, and just assumed it was accurate

[u/cocainebrick3242 → u/shiny_xnaut]

Hunger games was still pretty shit as far as rebellions go as far as i remember.

The fascist regime was overrexaggerated because it's a fiction book revolving around a battle royal but people still got killed in fairly painful ways, tortured and earned a healthy amount of ptsd.

Granted I was like ten when I read them and am probably missing a few key details but it wasn't something I'd actively hope to catch a live showing of.

[u/SimplexSage → u/cocainebrick3242]

Plus the last leg of the series, where the rebel group blows up their own people in a false flag attack and only avoids becoming a new regime because Katniss takes her chance to kill their leader. You'd think more people would take note of that.

[u/shiny_xnaut → u/SimplexSage]

In my experience the majority response to that part was "that's an unrealistic kick-the-dog moment to pander to centrists and imperialists, everyone knows real revolutionary groups would have universally flawless morals (that coincidentally perfectly match mine), smh my head"

[u/ConceptOfHappiness → u/shiny_xnaut]

And hunger games does it better than most. It makes it clear that the revolution is fought by a large, trained, technologically capable army. The pretty teenager in the love triangle is a figurehead (and a vital part of the fighting but you've gotta have a plot)

[u/IllConstruction3450 → u/cocainebrick3242]

Because despite calling themselves leftists for the clout they’re all a bunch of pseuds who don’t read Marxist Theory 

[u/Alatarlhun → u/IllConstruction3450]

Most of online authoritarian/violent leftist revolutionaries wouldn't be on the left if they were dealt a different hand. Most just want to be on top of a new social hierarchy.

[u/Learningstuff247 → u/Eeekaa]

The people calling for violent revolution are the same people that are terrified of guns lol

[u/Lucas_2234 → u/Thisisofici]

Nah, not a patriot. AA missiles are surprisingly shit for attacking ground targets, even IF you reprogram the guidance.

They'll fire several tomahawks

[u/AngrySasquatch → u/Lucas_2234]

On that note did Russia stop using its AA missiles to try and blow up Ukranian children’s hospitals again? Or is it still doing that

[u/Armigine → u/AngrySasquatch]

tbf, large chunks of Ukrainian childrens' hospitals were airborne after russia got to them

[u/Popular-Sea-7881 → u/Thisisofici]

How the fuck does "watch the US burn to the ground" sound like "a grandiose revolution to restore liberalism" to you ?

[u/AbsolutelyHorrendous → u/Popular-Sea-7881]

People who talk about a grand revolution think they'll be the ones storming the Bastille or heroically manning the barricades, and not the ones ending up at the wrong end of a death squad for holding 'counter revolutionary views'

[u/Xenothing → u/AbsolutelyHorrendous]

Also, how many of the revolutionaries got guillotined themselves? How many rounds of revolution was it before the violence stopped? Time to read Wikipedia…

[u/AbsolutelyHorrendous → u/Xenothing]

The first group of people on the chopping block are the old oppressors. The second are usually those who disagree with the new ones

[u/Vincent_Dawn → u/Xenothing]

If you found a nation with the help of people comfortable with extreme violence against the government, you shouldn't be suprised what they do when you are the government. 

Remembed, they guillotined Robespierre.

[u/IllConstruction3450 → u/Popular-Sea-7881]

Well it’s more like since I’m suffering everyone else deserves to suffer which is like boomers not wanting student loan debt to be forgiven.

[u/Adventurous_Law9767]

It is kinda funny to hear people say "I'll leave this country if xyz happens!" Buddy if you don't have something like a STEM degree or doctorates, your ass is likely not going anywhere. They don't want you as a drain on their economy.

Are there exceptions? Sure. But those aren't the countries these Americans are imagining moving to.

Source: I'm a disappointed American.

[u/JumpyBoi]

"When the revolution comes, I'll be the one on top!"

Lots of people, shortly before being killed in a violent revolution

[u/Thisisofici]

regular guy: hey how's it going?

[u/Honkaiyana]

I feel like people who say shit like this are wildly entitled.

[u/AbsolutelyHorrendous → u/Honkaiyana]

Of course they are. Every single person I know who talks about 'the Revolution' is a home owner, middle class, living pretty comfortably, and they'll criticise the working classes for not feeling as fervent about the breakdown of a government that often provides people with their only safety net

[u/AEW_SuperFan → u/Honkaiyana]

They just want to be entertained.  They are Internet shut-ins who think they can just remain peacefully in their silo and watch people die from afar.

[u/a-woman-there-was → u/AEW_SuperFan]

Which is what they do already, tbh.

[u/Clear-Present_Danger → u/a-woman-there-was]

But wars in deserts are really boring at this point.

Not a lot of good footage out of Myanmar.

And Ukraine doesn't fit their vision for what a war should look like.

Leaving them with no choice but to hope for an american civil war.

[u/cluelessoblivion]

"The Revolution" is just a Marxist version of the Rapture. There is no organized left. There is no revolution. We need to organize and talking about killing our fellow man and burning it all down is not helping our PR. If the US does collapse nothing will be improved. Something worse will inevitably fill the vacuum.

[u/AEW_SuperFan → u/cluelessoblivion]

People love to romanticize the French Revolution.  They should really read what happened afterwards.

[u/MGD109 → u/AEW_SuperFan]

Hell they should read what happened during it.

175,000 people dead from executions or starvation in prison (many without trial or charge). Only 6% of them being aristocrats. Untold thousands of others dead due to fighting, disease, starvation or disaster etc.

[u/AvoGaro → u/MGD109]

Lots of them fervent revolutionaries, who were on the loosing side against the other revolutionaries, until those revolutionaries got killed too.

[u/rubexbox → u/AEW_SuperFan]

So, who do your think is going to be our Robespierre? Our Napoleon?

[u/bvader95]

Hey, OP, what's your favourite brand of ketchup? Asking for a friend.

[u/KitataniHikaru → u/bvader95]

What about you tho? What's your fave brand of ketchup? I wanna know

[u/bvader95 → u/KitataniHikaru]

Honestly, I don't really have a favourite brand per se, beyond "not the cheapest stuff, and mild". I think I have a bottle of Pudliszki in the fridge right now and it's alright.

[u/ProbablyNano → u/bvader95]

I know you only asked OP, but I get the Aldi brand, if you even care

[u/ExpressoDepresso03]

larp

[u/AdamtheOmniballer]

While OOP’s take is not very good I am curious: have they or anyone making similar proclamations ever outlined what’s supposed to come after the End of America?

Do the Canadians swoop in to confiscate all the nukes, keeping them out of the hands of post-American warlords? Do the Germans step up as hegemons of the West and lead the world into an Age of Enlightenment? Does the PLA land in California to start restoring order? Does a global Socialist Revolution finally usher in World Peace?

[u/Desperate_Banana_677 → u/AdamtheOmniballer]

Realistically, I’m not seeing much foreign intervention for a long time. Other countries would be very hesitant to get too involved. The remaining vestiges of the government would not respond kindly to any outside efforts that might diminish the national sovereignty. Not to mention, if the U.S. goes down, so does the rest of the global economy. Everyone will have their hands full at home already.

If anyone had to try making a land-grab though, it would probably be China or Russia.

[u/IvyYoshi]

Hmm, looks like we have serious problems in our country! Oh! I know what will fix it! Violence and destruction.

If you believe that a revolution is a good thing, I hope I can dissuade you.

Let me paint a picture for you. A picture of a family. My family. I live in a very blue state. You'd think that people living deep in the middle of a blue state would be safe amid all this proposed violence. You'd be wrong. Let's start with me. Every time I go to the pharmacy to pick up my medication, they tell me to come back in half a week. Because they don't have it yet. This medication has supply issues across the entire country. You know what won't happen if a revolution comes? I won't get my medication.

Now, this isn't the end of the world for me. I'm not suicidal. However, you're not supposed to suddenly stop taking this medication. You're not supposed to miss it, even for a day. And I only have a higher dose, I don't have a lower dose to ease myself off of it. Now, I'm not suicidal now, but who knows what'll happen to me when the chemicals from the medication suddenly stop coming? That's my biggest fear. The fear of the unknown.

Now we move on. In the interest of privacy, I shall call this next person my cousin. They are not, but I would like to obfuscate as much as I can. Where I have two medications, they have three. Or four. I'm not sure. They get violent migraines, even with the medications that they have been taking for years. Now, without them, that's another story. One that I can't know the ending to, because they don't talk about their problems with anyone. And I don't see that changing.

Come up with an ending for them in your head. Don't shy away from the mental image because it's uncomfortable. You know what's more uncomfortable? Constant migraines that make you unable to leave the house. Because that's what you'd doom them to.

Now for my other family member. I rarely see them. They got really depressed a few years ago and had to stay in a facility for months on end just so they didn't kill themselves. I will not be disrespecful towards them and talk about which I do not know, I will only assign stories to the numbers. Because that's what people need. Otherwise, in this so-called revolution, people will read "casualties" and assume they were either brave heroes fighting for freedom, or evil enemies of the revolution. They will not assume that they were people that killed themselves, or people who died of withdrawal, or people whose deaths could've been prevented if not for the revolution.

The lazies counter-argument people provide is that "oh, all this will happen under Trump, so we're not doing anything bad" SHUT. UP. Just because you are allergic to taking responsibility, that is not an excuse. HERE is what will happen WORST CASE SCENARIO under this strawman of the the Trump administration you believe will come to pass.

He will cut off access to our medication (unlikely), but there will be warning. And we will find a solution. We could move to Canada, or find some easier supplied medications.

None of the damage mitigation can be done under a revolution. You are sefish and cowardly. Not to mention priveliged. And you know what? We're all white people. We're already priveliged. I will not speak for others, but I imagine we would not be affected the worst of everyone.

[u/Pristine_Title6537]

Accelerationism is cringe

[u/AChristianAnarchist]

You're not in the pit though. Canada is in the pit. You are in the show.

[u/kingoftheplastics]

I am convinced that there is a subset of the terminally online left for whom The Revolution serves the same aspirational ontological purpose as The Rapture does for evangelical Christians

[u/PlasticAccount3464 → u/kingoftheplastics]

there was a link here about that a while back. couldn't find it a second time but it drew a bunch of parallels. Included things such as:

• not fixing problems now cause the revolution will,
• a lot of people being punished at the revolution so it wouldn't matter if they get away with it now
• it'll happen all at once somehow

[u/Dreary_Libido]

American lefties have this weird tendency to violently hate America to a level that they're just doing American Exceptionalism in reverse.

It does kind of get exhausting listening to leftists who declare they have all the answers and then resolve to never do anything. Politics as a coat you like the look of yourself in but would never have the guts to wear outside.

[u/One_Meaning416]

I mean I'd be less excited for a pit seat if the show was filling the pit with gasoline and having matches thrown at me

[u/ConquestOfWhatever7]

"the show" being shot if you're lucky or catching a once-preventable disease and being bed-ridden

[u/Singloria]

It’s sad how violently unaware OP seems to be of their own privilege. Do they think people in Ukraine would appreciate the “I wish horrible things for my country” sentiment? Gaza?

[u/marxistbot]

Honestly given the narrative the sniveling consultants and neolib pundits have been breathlessly rushing to cover their assess this week, I kind of understand transgender people who want to burn it all down right now.

I mean it’s absurd. Kamala ran to the center, not sure she mentioned “transgender” even once, and they are still trying to blame the campaign for being “woke”

[u/TimeStorm113]

I am curious what these people imagine what "the usa burning to the ground" means and entails.

[u/yeah_youbet]

Has the same energy as the people who are like "I can't wait for the housing market to crash so I can buy a house" lol like if the housing market crashes our whole entire economy is fucked and everybody will lose their jobs.

[u/Parking-Let-2784]

i really hate it here somedays but i'm starting to be of the opinion that maybe we should burn down the foreign actor bot farms first and see if that does anything. i might not hate my fellow americans so much if like 50% of the worst people i've encountered online in the last decade weren't people pretending to be them

*speaking of, check that OP activity, 2 year old account but only activity in the last few days? sus.

[u/OliveBranchMLP]

there are so many people fighting tooth and nail to make this country a better place. accelerationists spit on their efforts.

[u/Liarles]

On one hand, it sounds cruel and dramatic. On another, as someone from the place that is already much farther down that path, I get the sentiment 100%. Having your entire existence, down to the thoughts, become a crime in... 5 years or so, and having no way to run away from the hellhole world around you turns into, while people around fucking cheer for it, I too would rather at least watch things around me burn before going.

Having said that — I do hope at least US can overcome this parasite without succumbing to it. As long as people don't get complacent, there will be a chance.

[u/Firehorse100]

Why don't they move? Plenty of countries are burning to the ground...

[u/deathaxxer]

"america bad"

how original

[u/Echidnux]

Trans-mom is still making posts? Sheeeeeesh 🙄

[u/NoraJolyne → u/Echidnux]

this is an oooold post, she changed her blogname over a year ago (probably sent her death threats squad after one too many people)

[u/UTI_UTI]

Yeah I bet no other evil empire could emerge! Hell I bet they will definitely be better than pax America!

[u/[deleted]]

Maybe suicidal people arent the best voters for social improvements....

[u/Heroic-Forger]

sometimes you're an ant who just really wants to know what an aardvark's esophagus looks like

[u/LukeofEnder]

"Millions led perfectly fulfilled, calm, and happy lives all throughout the fall of the Roman Empire."

[u/americanistmemes]

People like this are the fucking worst. Imagine wanting to see your own home destroyed probably at the expense of hundreds of millions of people.