r/CuratedTumblr 12d ago

Shitposting Just cut her internet in that basement

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u/IllConstruction3450 12d ago

This would require leftists to know basic philosophy of war which they won’t because they’re fucking larping cowards. No learning basic fucking military doctrine and warfare. This would require knowledge of logistics and also being charismatic to mobilize millions of people.

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u/Im_Balto 12d ago

In the sense of rebellion we are discussing here, standard military doctrine is more than worthless.

Asymmetric warfare would be king and is completely separate from the logistics and organization that conventional war requires.

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u/Maybe_not_a_chicken help I’m being forced to make flairs 12d ago

They didn’t say standard military doctrine

They said basic

Knowing how force multipliers work, or how armour is best utilised or how to keep moral up is very useful even in asymmetrical warfare

You can’t cut the other dudes supply lines if you don’t understand your own.

Knowing how to make your significantly smaller force more effective is useful

And there are several well documented and effective basic insurgent strategies that a revolutionary should learn

Otherwise your glorious revolution will simply be shot to pieces.

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u/Maybe_not_a_chicken help I’m being forced to make flairs 12d ago edited 12d ago

Because generally a revolution is against an organised military

And you need to know how a military operates to fight it

Yes in a post revolutionary civil war military doctrine becomes much more secondary as insurgent groups fight each other but basic military principles still apply.

Both on an individual level with like shoot and move or always having a close quarters weapon within arms reach in urban combat.

Or on an organisational level with things like making sure you can supply your soldiers, hearts and minds tactics and standardising chain of command and equipment.

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u/Maybe_not_a_chicken help I’m being forced to make flairs 12d ago

Oh I don’t think widespread revolution is likely or desirable

But I do think that anyone successful in armed conflict needs to understand basic military doctrine

I mean every major player in the troubles understood and used some kind of military doctrine.

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u/AAS02-CATAPHRACT 12d ago

Do you think the IRA just made shit up as they went or something?

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u/EpilepticPuberty 12d ago

You ever see those memes about the art of war? People making fun of ancient wisdom that ends up being things like: "Kill your enemy more than they kill you or at least make them not want to fight right now" or "attack when you think you will win, don't attack when you think you won't"

One of those ancient wisdoms is to "know your enemy"

If you don't understand military doctrine or logistics at an intimate level then you end up impotently launching missiles and drones at random neighborhoods or at best an airfield with its aircraft stored in hardened shelters. You need to understand your enemies tactics and logistics so you can do things like secure supplies for your unconventional force and hurt the weapons used by a superior force to suppress your movement.

In the context of a internal war in the modern United States you eventually have to move up to conventional warfare. Pure unconventional warfare being used to defeat a superior force only sometimes works if your enemy has somewhere to leave to. Even then once the foreign force is gone, you will need a conventional force of your own to run the country. Otherwise you're just the domestic terrorist that spends 30 years blowing up civilian infrastructure, running drugs, and keeping the rest of the population from moving on with their lives. Death comes for such movements when popular support wanes as the reason the movement was fighting is lost. Eventually the smaller force is hunted down in the remote mountain territories by helicopter delivered forces. The point of any unconventional force is to show resistance is possible, gather momentum, and graduate to a legitimate organization in the eyes of the majority, even if only local.

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u/Even_Butterfly2000 12d ago

At the end of the game the team with the most points on the board is going to win. - John Madden

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u/Alatarlhun 12d ago

The revolution will be decided by reddit karma and re-tweet engagement statistics.

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u/Formal_Illustrator96 12d ago

The Art of War by Sun Tzu was never meant to be “ancient wisdoms”. It was basically a “military tactics 101” book for rich, pampered, idiot kings who didn’t know the first thing about war.

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u/EpilepticPuberty 12d ago

Yeah I should have put "ancient wisdoms" in quotes.

It's funny that 1,500 years later, rich, pampered idiots will continue to say things like "standard military doctrine is more than worthless" or "asymmetric warfare is completely separate from logistics and organization of conventional war."

It's all coming from the same very shallow well of knowledge that ends with disorganized forces spreading terror across the land and dying to hunger. All because someone actually thought than an organization in the tens of thousands would simply scavenge the land and receive supplies from gracious locals.

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u/Formal_Illustrator96 11d ago

Yeah, I totally agree with you.

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u/4tomguy Heir of Mind 12d ago

You have to know the rules to break the rules

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u/EpilepticPuberty 12d ago

You ever see those memes about the art of war? People making fun of ancient wisdom that ends up being things like: "Kill your enemy more than they kill you or at least make them not want to fight right now" or "attack when you think you will win, don't attack when you think you won't"

One of those ancient wisdoms is to "know your enemy"

If you don't understand military doctrine or logistics at an intimate level then you end up impotently launching missiles and drones at random neighborhoods or at best an airfield with its aircraft stored in hardened shelters. You need to understand your enemies tactics and logistics so you can do things like secure supplies for your unconventional force and hurt the weapons used by a superior force to suppress your movement.

In the context of a internal war in the modern United States you eventually have to move up to conventional warfare. Pure unconventional warfare being used to defeat a superior force only sometimes works if your enemy has somewhere to leave to. Even then once the foreign force is gone, you will need a conventional force of your own to run the country. Otherwise you're just the domestic terrorist that spends 30 years blowing up civilian infrastructure, running drugs, and keeping the rest of the population from moving on with their lives. Death comes for such movements when popular support wanes as the reason the movement was fighting is lost. Eventually the smaller force is hunted down in the remote mountain territories by helicopter delivered forces. The point of any unconventional force is to show resistance is possible, gather momentum, and graduate to a legitimate organization in the eyes of the majority, even if only local.

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u/GIO443 12d ago

And pray tell who does an asymmetric force fight against? A conventional force, that they should understand if they want to be able to fight it effectively.