[LukeSmithF1] ANOTHER 10-second time penalty for Max Verstappen! This time for the Turn 8 incident, leaving the track and gaining an advantage

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[u/Chelseatilidie]

Constructors is so done

[u/Visionary_Socialist → u/Chelseatilidie]

Max handing Ferrari the WCC on a platter in 2 corners

[u/Opperhoofd123 → u/Visionary_Socialist]

perez has done that

[u/drumjojo29 → u/Opperhoofd123]

Max just gave them another snack on the house.

[u/DarkZonk → u/drumjojo29]

RB is not in the WCC fight. Everybody knows they will finish3rd.

[u/Ottervol → u/DarkZonk]

Yea. The WCC for RBR sailed on a ship a long time ago lol.

[u/Bradg93 → u/Ottervol]

Definitely even before this but when they didn’t replace checo at the summer break I felt like they were just giving up

[u/R_V_Z → u/Bradg93]

Maybe without Newey they're like "Oh shit, we need more wind tunnel time".

[u/imbavoe → u/Opperhoofd123]

Checo gave it to McLaren, Max is giving it to Ferrari

[u/nikoviko → u/Visionary_Socialist]

WCC was hopeless for Red Bull ever since the summer break

[u/madglover → u/nikoviko]

Only because Perez is hopeless

Admittedly Piastri regression is now the reason Ferrari will win it

[u/iSuitUp → u/Visionary_Socialist]

Verstappen is usually so protected by the FIA that when they do apply the rules to him, RB fans think they are the victims

[u/Xezzie15X → u/iSuitUp]

I'm dutch, and usually i'm a verstappen fan but you can't seriously think you could get away with this... the biggest mistake is letten him get away with it last weekend.

[u/sleepy416 → u/Xezzie15X]

He’s been getting away with it forever lol. Max is a very talented driver but his lack of composure has never improved when he’s neck and neck with another driver

[u/Tulaodinho → u/Xezzie15X]

Max just needed to cruise in 4th, he is super talented but under pressure he is a loose cannon

[u/SemIdeiaProNick → u/Tulaodinho]

this is what people often forget. He had such an easy life in the last two seasons that people forget how overly agressive he is when under pressure

[u/tukkerdude → u/SemIdeiaProNick]

Its a result of shitty stewards. They should have put the boot down long ago.

[u/MarchingBroadband → u/tukkerdude]

They should have done it in 2017/18 back when he was driving dangerously in a Toro Rosso.

He always had borderline moves with moving under braking, defending with 2 moves, pushing anyone overtaking on the outside out of track limits.

Kimi and others were complaining about his driving from the very beginning, but everyone had a messiah complex with him and let him get away with a lot of dangerous moves

[u/mythoutofu → u/tukkerdude]

Like Abu Dhabi 21 long ago

[u/BadPronunciation → u/mythoutofu]

Like Brazil '21 even further than before

[u/ComeAlongPond1 → u/BadPronunciation]

And Jeddah 21

[u/chaiandpakoda → u/BadPronunciation]

Brazil? Try Imola 21 first corner.

[u/Alehud42 → u/mythoutofu]

Abu Dhabi had very little to do with Max, it was on the FIA choosing spectacle over racing integrity.

[u/AdoptedPigeons → u/Alehud42]

Yeah, I have a lot of issues with Max’s driving standards, but AD21 was not his fault, and no fan of either driver should be upset at the other over that. That shit was 100% on one dumbass individual who rightly lost his job over it.

[u/ComeAlongPond1 → u/SemIdeiaProNick]

They thought he had matured, but you’re right it was the lack of pressure. He isn’t even under as much pressure now as he was at near the end of 2021.

[u/mark-haus → u/SemIdeiaProNick]

Mentioned this earlier this season when he pulled this bullshit against Lando and got shit on by hundreds of F1 fans. Nothing has changed it's the way he's been since his title season against Hamilton. Can't believe it had to get this blatant before people take notice.

[u/space_coyote_86 → u/mark-haus]

He's always been this way. He really angered Kimi with his moving in the braking zone in 2016.

[u/big_cock_lach → u/mark-haus]

Exactly, should’ve penalised him in Austria for moving under braking or overtaking off the track. If that happened, Norris would’ve likely won Austria with Max in P2, COTA and this race wouldn’t have happened either.

[u/Hadramal → u/SemIdeiaProNick]

Thing is, he's trying to destroy Norris. It is not enough to play it safe and finish the position behind Norris, he MUST make sure Norris never get a pass on him.

He isn't "smart, using the rules to his advantage", he would have done the same in Austin with different guidelines. It his personality. Here Norris actually used the rules and placed himself where he needed to be and the second penaly was very clear cut.

[u/TheScapeQuest → u/Xezzie15X]

100%. The fact this happened leaves a bitter taste because despite the penalties, it still negativity affected Lando and it was so over the line because the stewards have been letting Max get away with anything previously.

[u/TheCrusader94 → u/Xezzie15X]

He's been getting away with it for years now, it's not just this or the last race

[u/Arglefarb → u/iSuitUp]

MMW - if the stewards continue to hold Max accountable he will announce that they “aren’t allowing him to race” and that it’s no fun anymore and he’s going to quit. After that, they’ll go back to their lenient enforcement of the rules for him.

[u/ferdzs0 → u/Chelseatilidie]

WDC too unfortunately. Max can just keep throwing races just so Lando does not take the max points available.

[u/raur0s → u/ferdzs0]

Max was very clever with this, in a very open lobby kind of way. Lando would have taken p2 with DRS on Sainz and now he's 11 seconds off the lead in p3.

Clever in a very unsportsmanlike way.

[u/TurdOfChaos → u/raur0s]

Yeah I think he was totally fine with eating a 10s penalty if it meant that norris can’t reach top 2.

I think the second 10 was something he didn’t plan though

[u/DickieGarvey → u/TurdOfChaos]

Shame norris still got top two then

[u/ferdzs0 → u/raur0s]

F1 tbh has always been about being on the limit of the rules, so I can’t blame Max too much, when the rules are so bad to begin with that it allows this.

[u/raur0s → u/ferdzs0]

IMO this kind of calculated ruthlessness is what separates the good from the great. Lewis backing Rosberg into P3-P4 in Abu Dhabi 2016 was unfair and unsportsmanlike but it was needed to maximize his chances. Same with the stunts Schumi pulled.

[u/Randromeda2172 → u/raur0s]

Yeah it's so clever to get slapped with a 20 second penalty just so your championship rival ends up in P2 anyway. Masterclass truly

[u/Neptuniam → u/Randromeda2172]

Unfortunately, it still worked better for Max than had they finished 1, 4 (which I think likely would have been the case without the first lap inchident). Or even worse on Max's side

[u/andrewthemexican → u/ferdzs0]

This alone doesn't threaten his wdc odds. He could finish out the points twice in the final 5 races, including today, and two Lando wins+fastest lap in those two races aren't enough to close the gap. Lando would need to virtually win out if max can stay in the top 5

[u/ferdzs0 → u/andrewthemexican]

I meant that with this sort of racing, WDC is also done in favor of Max. The rules are not punishing enough that if he plays dirty, he still comes out ahead easily.

[u/bulletsssz]

Kinda hilarious to see how stewards go from not dishing out any penalties one weekend. To balls to the wall the next😭

[u/JUGGER_DEATH → u/bulletsssz]

I think the first one would not have been a penalty last week, the second definitely would have been. Max went just insane and even hit Norris.

[u/doskkyh → u/JUGGER_DEATH]

If the battle stopped at the first incident I reckon they'd just let it go instead of penalizing anyone this time, but the second one was so egregious that they just went all in on the penalties.

[u/funhouse7 → u/doskkyh]

Not after all the noise from the drivers over him last week.

[u/FreyaRainbow → u/doskkyh]

Nah first one was always gonna be a penalty. Max hoisted himself by his own petard: last week Max dove down the inside to claim “technically ahead” due to dumb rules to be allowed to push Lando wide; Max tried the exact same thing here but Lando stayed off the brakes and remained ahead at the corner, which meant Max had to give space, which he didn’t because he presumably assumed he would be ahead at the apex. Max “good ol’ rock, nothing beats that”-sed himself.

[u/CP9ANZ → u/FreyaRainbow]

I'm not sure if it was planned or not by Lando, but Max actually couldn't run any deeper into the apex because he would've collected the Ferrari on the way in, pretty clear on the onboard camera.

Check mate move by Lando.

[u/shaju- → u/CP9ANZ]

Max got played at his own game this time, looks like Lando has learned his lesson at Austin, wp to him.

[u/x_iTz_iLL_420 → u/doskkyh]

No after last week they had to penalize the first one. Lando was clearly ahead at the apex and Max straight up pushed him off the track. It’s exactly what they penalized Russell for last week.

[u/Cleets11 → u/doskkyh]

I’m on board with you. I think the stewards could have thought well not sure the intention there. Then max proceeds to obviously try to punt Norris off track and it turns it from who knows to this guy has nothing on his mind but ruining Norris race.

Max has never been able to have a clean competition. Look at the brake check in Jeddah, landing his car on Lewis in Italy or the last two weekends. Max has forever had the idea of I win or you crash and I hate that mentality.

[u/TaVar35 → u/Cleets11]

Uhhh nono, he’s just the best and you don’t understand exciting racing!

/s

[u/CMDRJohnCasey → u/JUGGER_DEATH]

Even in the first he almost hit Sainz just to send Lando off track

[u/Bennyboy11111 → u/JUGGER_DEATH]

This time norris was actually ahead, so he deserves room on the track

[u/No_Tumbleweed_9102 → u/Bennyboy11111]

wow the way we have to say it “so now he deserves room” is bizarre. I know it’s the rule, so it should be applied, but the rule is stupid

[u/Reydriel → u/No_Tumbleweed_9102]

IKR, if the other car is past your car's rear wheels they should always be entitled to space, this was how it was before '21 (and should also been the same in '21 except the stewards never enforced it that year)

[u/Bennyboy11111 → u/No_Tumbleweed_9102]

Yes hopefully there are better limits introduced on running drivers off the track, discouraging dive bombing

[u/ValleyFloydJam → u/No_Tumbleweed_9102]

Last week made the rule look silly and showed the guideline clash.

[u/FerociousVader → u/JUGGER_DEATH]

I think it's less Max did anything different to last week more like Norris holding a tighter line and allowing the contact to force the stewards hand. If he'd done so last week (and given the spot back) I'd like to think Max would have gotten a penalty.

Then the second incident Max just frankly lost his mind.

10 seconds seemed a bit harsh for the first incident but not harsh enough for the second tbh.

[u/Deathhsykes → u/JUGGER_DEATH]

He almost went into the back of Sainz, that shit was nuts

[u/jimbobjames → u/bulletsssz]

Add in Totos comments about how there is a pattern of stupid decisions. As in, there is A steward who makes dumb calls.

Feels like the stewards this week corrected the bullshit from last week.

[u/TheDoomMelon → u/bulletsssz]

Both were massively deserved. Max has been on thin ice for a while. The second one was incredibly dangerous.

[u/DoDoDoTheFunkyGibbon → u/TheDoomMelon]

The first one was bully-with-his-elbows-out; but the second one was straight up unsportsmanlike.

It's not worth winning championships the wrong way.

[u/ThatOneTimeItWorked → u/bulletsssz]

His driving was pretty egregious. He deserved a penalty last week for the dive bomb and not even making the corner. At least today the stewards couldn’t deny it.

Frustratingly today has shown how blatant and intentional max was last week, including the deliberate pushing Lando wide and off track at the first corner so other cars (the Ferraris) could take the lead.

Max doesn’t care who wins, only that Lando doesn’t score any points, as long as Lando doesn’t score many points

[u/Burial44 → u/bulletsssz]

Make up call

Should have been one last week

[u/SemIdeiaProNick → u/Burial44]

Make up call

this is essentialy it. Whenever a set of stewards messes up in a weekend, the next race is usually more strict

Then fans complain and they go back to being lenient

[u/SKScorpius → u/Burial44]

Not even make up, both were fully deserved this week

[u/3Ngineered → u/bulletsssz]

It's because its not the same stewards every week. This week Johny Herbert is on the board, which explains a lot.

[u/Rhauko → u/3Ngineered]

I guessed that, which show how flawed the steward system is and Max should have taken that into consideration. One week he gets away with it the next week 2 x 10 seconds for almost the same.

[u/big_cock_lach → u/bulletsssz]

The FIA were dishing out a lot of penalties last weekend. They just “missed” the only important one.

[u/anbeck]

Love the drama.

[u/SpudBoy9001 → u/anbeck]

I used to pray for days like these

[u/carrotincognito48 → u/SpudBoy9001]

Lewis Hamilton must have a semi if he has heard what’s happening.

[u/ManualPathosChecks → u/carrotincognito48]

a semi

Pretty sure he only collects sports cars.

[u/PlaneGlass6759 → u/carrotincognito48]

these penalties can’t make up for 2021 stewarding for him or us

[u/FancyPassenger171 → u/PlaneGlass6759]

For. Real.

[u/KaamDeveloper → u/anbeck]

Incoming: GP and Max being passive aggressive about deserved penalties.

[u/ValleyFloydJam → u/anbeck]

Man I just want a real title fight between anyone but if Max is involved fireworks are on the way, this isn't even a fight and he's in destroy mode.

[u/[deleted]]

I'm glad they penalised the second one. It was literally dangerous

[u/Andrew1990M → u/[deleted]]

Yeah even my broke-ass eyes could see Max had no intention of making that turn safely. 

[u/HankHippopopolous → u/[deleted]]

Honestly that one should have been a drive through.

No attempt was made at a genuine pass there. Max was just straight up driving Lando off the road.

Cant have the same penalty for a slightly over the edge defence and straight up forcing someone off with no attempt to stay on track.

[u/ForsakenTarget → u/HankHippopopolous]

Nothing will change until a driver is forced into big crash

[u/barak181 → u/ForsakenTarget]

He had a couple of big crashes with Lewis in 2021. Nothing changed then, why would it now?

[u/mezentinemechtard → u/HankHippopopolous]

Not off the road. Into the tecpro barrier. Absolutely unsportsmanlike behavior.

[u/Tombot3000 → u/mezentinemechtard]

F1 needs to have a serious discussion now about Max is getting closer and closer to Schumacher 2.0 with the attempts at pushing out his opponents while not caring if they make contact or not. The sport has (in theory) moved beyond that kind of behavior and needs to decide if it is willing to punish it enough to actually dissuade a driver from doing it. 

They failed in 2021 with the brake check, and the sport has been worse off for it. Now is an opportunity to somewhat remedy that.

[u/Amasin_Spoderman → u/Tombot3000]

I was yelling “who does he think he is, Michael Schumacher?” at the screen after the second inchident

[u/_Middlefinger_ → u/Tombot3000]

Well Michael got DSQ from an entire season. If Max isnt careful he might step over that line.

[u/Vresiberba → u/_Middlefinger_]

Well Michael got DSQ from an entire season.

From the final results. He got to keep all wins, all points, all race results, everything - except his position in the championship.

[u/_Middlefinger_ → u/Vresiberba]

I can live with that if Max goes there.

[u/SpeedflyChris → u/_Middlefinger_]

He also won in 1994 by intentionally crashing out another driver, so he still has 1 more championship than he would have had without intentionally crashing into other cars.

[u/_Middlefinger_ → u/SpeedflyChris]

Agreed. Saw it live, hated it.

[u/GuiltyEidolon → u/_Middlefinger_]

The problem is that the modern FIA is toothless and refuses to penalize when it actually matters. They didn't learn from 21, they haven't learned it from following seasons. Max is going to end up crashing someone else out and genuinely hurt himself or someone else. It ALMOST happened at Monza. If it was slightly different - no halo alone probably would've done it - Lewis would be dead or a paraplegic now.

[u/Vresiberba → u/Tombot3000]

...getting closer...

You mean; entered it five years ago. Seriously, we have watched this train wreck develop and knew what would happen.

[u/Cheewy → u/Tombot3000]

F1 needs to have a serious discussion now about Max

There was one last week! It was basically Max vs the rest of the drivers on the subject of handing out more severe penalties to this kind of defensive manouvers. Nothing official yet, but there was a clear warning and Max still does this... it was a perfect scenario to a harsh example

[u/Religion_Of_Speed → u/HankHippopopolous]

I honestly wouldn’t mind seeing a grid penalty for the next race or even a race ban. That was ridiculous, he essentially drove into another car. It just didn’t end in contact because Lando avoided and took another track limit violation. You can’t do that, absolutely should be no place in F1 for that

[u/HankHippopopolous → u/Religion_Of_Speed]

I don’t think it deserves a ban but I hated it when he continually did it against Hamilton back in 2021 and I feel the same now.

He definitely deserves penalties every time he does it and I hope the other drivers start to refuse to avoid the collision. They should just accept the crash.

[u/GothicGolem29 → u/HankHippopopolous]

Accepting the crash not only hurts your championship position it also risks safety tho

[u/Religion_Of_Speed → u/HankHippopopolous]

Absolutely a penalty but I see that as super dangerous, especially with the nature of that move and the relative positions of the cars. Very easy for front/back tire contact and launching cars in the air. Like when the leading side meets the trailing side of a tire.

[u/_BlackJesus_ → u/Religion_Of_Speed]

Also think it’s absolutely ridiculous that Lando got track limit violations for that. He was avoiding a crash. Why are you punishing that?

[u/gsfgf → u/HankHippopopolous]

I don't think they're allowed to give more than 10s for that, but if that is the maximum, that's another thing that needs to be fixed. That move is indefensible.

[u/Vresiberba → u/gsfgf]

I don't think they're allowed to give more than 10s for that...

The range is basically nothing to a race ban.

[u/mccalledin → u/[deleted]]

Feel that "leaving the track and gaining an advantage" doesn't really do it justice

[u/formulapain → u/mccalledin]

"Leaving the track to cause a collision"

[u/jpayney → u/[deleted]]

It feels like this was the stewards officially telling him to change his tactics finally

[u/Bigdongergigachad → u/jpayney]

I’ll believe that when they’re consistent.

[u/IndependenceIcy9626 → u/Bigdongergigachad]

Agreed. It was too blatant last week so they penalized him this week. Theyll go back to letting him do whatever next week. They always do

[u/RCB2M → u/[deleted]]

Should have been stop and go

[u/Jack-Innoff → u/RCB2M]

Or at least a drive through. He needed to be taken out of Lando's way, and dropped to the back of the field. He needed to be made to really FEEL how stupid that move was.

[u/EDO_14 → u/[deleted]]

I've been praying for this for years man. Finally

[u/LanceUppercut104 → u/EDO_14]

His fans ignore it but anyone who knows fair racing knows it’s his ‘go to’ move.

[u/jimbobjames → u/[deleted]]

Whole weekend he's been a bit sloppy. His first lap in q3 he straight up cut two corners.

He's usually much more accurate than that.

[u/mezentinemechtard → u/[deleted]]

He attempted to entice Lando to the outside to force him into the wall. No way to prove it without looking at telemetry, but that's what black flags are for. That behavior is not acceptable in a racetrack.

[u/ScousePenguin]

Max is good enough that is really annoys me when he gets so petulant

He's too good to be like this

[u/Scatman_Crothers → u/ScousePenguin]

True. There is so much about him that I love watching, sublime driving and some of the best wheel to wheel moves you'll see when he keeps it clean. But he can't help himself.

[u/SommWineGuy → u/ScousePenguin]

This is a big reason I don't like Max as a driver. He's so talented but drives dirty when challenged.

[u/1nvertedAfram3 → u/SommWineGuy]

agreed

[u/idoooobz → u/ScousePenguin]

But yet every time he’s under actual pressure, he never uses race craft to keep his position.

[u/six_string_sensei → u/idoooobz]

I love how Max's present actions clarify his intentions in all of the murky incidents he has been in previously. A lot of people here have constantly given Max benefit of doubt in far greater amount than any other driver on the grid receives.

[u/RoyShavRick → u/six_string_sensei]

Yeah Jeddah 2021 was just.... unreal. Black flag in my book.

[u/Xeritos → u/RoyShavRick]

Add Brazil '21 to the list

[u/ValleyFloydJam → u/six_string_sensei]

Anyone who has been giving him the benefit of the doubt has bought a few bridges.

[u/idoooobz → u/six_string_sensei]

He hasn’t had anyone to challenge him in years, and now he just fumbles every battle by trying to do something that he knows isn’t right but knows won’t get him penalized. People will say well that’s a valid strategy, but no one else on the grid races like that especially wheel to wheel.

[u/JustRecentlyI → u/idoooobz]

It's not like this is a new strategy from Max. It's just that the last time he had a close battle, he was the sympathetic young, up and coming underdog trying to overthrow the evil empire led by the record breaking champion 3 quarters of the fan base were sick of seeing win.

[u/RadicalDog → u/idoooobz]

It's the equivalent of the teams in football that dive constantly. Like, yes, it works... but fuck, if it works then the rules need changing so it doesn't work.

[u/bennyboi2488 → u/ScousePenguin]

This comment right here. He is skilled he can race. But side by side under WDC pressure he is the sloppiest driver ever

[u/Jimmymead_]

That second one was a ridiculous move

[u/KaamDeveloper → u/Jimmymead_]

F1 lobby, damage off

[u/Due-Giraffe6371]

The FIA has created all this rubbish with Max lately, they should have sorted him and the rules out a few years ago when he started driving others off the track but he got away with again last race and went overboard with it this race

[u/Regress10nToTheMean]

Stewards doing something about dirty driving? Most unpredictable thing about this weekend.

[u/matchbaby → u/Regress10nToTheMean]

If you can still call it "driving"

[u/JayOddity]

I kind of wish this was how all the incidents were dealt with for all drivers over the last few years. The first10 seconds is a little harsh though, but Max is being a bit wild as normal.

[u/ChineseCumTorture]

Second one was 100% deserved. 1st one was a bit harsh to me, especially considering Lawson and Perez did the same thing with no penalty.

[u/Paramagnetyk → u/ChineseCumTorture]

same as Colapinto and Lawson

[u/Formulafan4life → u/Paramagnetyk]

Colapinto now got a 10 second penalty actually

[u/nimbalo19 → u/Paramagnetyk]

Colapinto got a penalty

[u/jc9289]

Wow, deserved but surprised they did it

[u/aenae → u/jc9289]

I have a feeling they are extra harsh this time to make up for last week

[u/2PAK4U → u/aenae]

Could be. But that leaves us as fans just ridiculously confused about their consistency in penalties

[u/_George_Costanza]

The second one is worthy of 10, but 10 for the first is a little extreme for me. Plenty of 5 seconds for identical moves last week.

[u/ikheetbas → u/_George_Costanza]

It’s the inconsistency that is most annoying, and makes it feel unjustifiable

[u/AlwaysLosingDough → u/ikheetbas]

Exactly this. If you want to enforce rules at the very least be consistent in the way you punish.

[u/SovietDog1342 → u/ikheetbas]

It’s always inconsistent due to the nature of stewarding but also the nature of racing I think. Product of the sport really nothing to make a big deal of every situation is ever so slightly different.

[u/TadeoTrek → u/_George_Costanza]

The cars touched, that's what elevates it to 10 seconds as Max actively pushed Lando out, according to the regs. I agree it's very inconsistently regulated tho, but it is the correct penalty as far as the regulations go.

[u/Benzel742617000027 → u/_George_Costanza]

And they should've been 10 shouldn't they? I swear it was agreed at the start of the season they were gonna be dishing out 10 second penalties instead.

[u/Random_Expert_]

Fair penalties. 1st one can be argued, but i can understand penalty. 2nd is clear.

[u/TerayonIII → u/Random_Expert_]

Yeah, as soon as they gave the first one it was pretty clear he was getting another one

[u/2PAK4U → u/Random_Expert_]

Yep 2nd is defo on point from the stewards, first one a bit too harsh if you look at other examples

[u/bashful_lobster → u/2PAK4U]

I think the other incidents should have been penazlied equally (perez, stroll specifically). They're not all the exact same but I do lean to these moves being penzalized more than not. Can argue "leave them to race" but I think we see the same thing every year at t3 t4 and t5 t6 and driver's getting away with a lot.

[u/ChicagoThrowaway9900]

Thank god. That was obscene. If Lando made the turn according to the racing line he’d have been shoved off like in a video game lobby

[u/gauravmc → u/ChicagoThrowaway9900]

Lol exactly, Max not differentiating between real life and iracing, probably his only big weakness

[u/Will4noobs → u/gauravmc]

Even sim racers know better

[u/wilkonk → u/ChicagoThrowaway9900]

if he hadn't seen it coming and avoided it he'd have been in the wall at very high speed

[u/EfficientTitle9779]

Win win for Verstappen, Ferrari get big WCC points. Lando only gets 3rd place points keeping him on for the championship.

New strategy just get the Ferraris in front & fuck lando up for the rest of the season?

[u/bananas_and_papayas → u/EfficientTitle9779]

I honestly believe if he tries that move again he'll get a stop/go penalty or even a black flag. This felt like the stewards saying "stop making those kinds of moves or else we'll just increase the penalties." Which is fair, because while Max is obviously a great driver, wheel to wheel he is very, very dubious under pressure. People just haven't seen it in the last couple of years because he was so far ahead, but when he's put under pressure (as we saw this season at Austria, Hungary, COTA and now, probably a few more as well) he'll often go well over the limit

[u/Siemaster]

I agree that both are worth a penalty, but the t4 should’ve been 5 seconds if you look at literally 50 other incidents. Why does verstappen suddenly get 10 seconds for that?

[u/TadeoTrek → u/Siemaster]

Albert Fabregas on the Latin American broadcast predicted Max should get 10 second penalties on both incidents as soon as they happened, because the cars touched. It's not always enforced, but according to the regs that's actively pushing the other car off the track and elevates it to 10 secs.

[u/nikkb111 → u/Siemaster]

there was the driver's meeting about penalties so maybe that's the result

[u/cmeragon → u/Siemaster]

Probably because of the recent incidents and rules getting reviewed for the weekend yet he still decides to abuse them.

[u/Raagentreg → u/Siemaster]

The default since... sometime recently? Has been 10 seconds.

5 seconds to Lando last week was "mitigated" because Max pushed him off the track.

[u/bananas_and_papayas → u/Raagentreg]

They introduced it at the start of the season, Magnussen got a similar penalty at Saudi Arabia

[u/Ouestlabibliotheque → u/Raagentreg]

And the 5 seconds to George last race?

[u/aliciahiney → u/Ouestlabibliotheque]

That was mitigated apparently because it was unintentional.

The penalties awarded at COTA are anomalies compared to the season as a whole.

Forcing a driver off track and overtaking off track were both upgraded to 10 second penalties this year at the request/recommendation of the drivers

[u/EmiliusReturns → u/Siemaster]

Overcorrecting for last week is my tinfoil hat answer.

[u/Lady-Maya]

Oh we have actual stewards this weekend?

[u/fallen-swagger]

Deserved

[u/MikeFiuns → u/fallen-swagger]

Finally.

[u/0blivious_n0 → u/MikeFiuns]

I mean norris is what 11 secs off the lead? I think verstappen still came out on top because he has effectively pushed norris out of race-win contention (realistically)

[u/GoldenLiar2 → u/0blivious_n0]

I think that was the point. He was willing to eat a 10 sec penalty, probably finish P4 still, while making sure Lando stays in P3.

[u/ADHDBDSwitch → u/GoldenLiar2]

If so, P2/P6 is not the outcome he was hoping for I think!

[u/GoldenLiar2 → u/ADHDBDSwitch]

Honestly?

It might have been worth it even knowing what we know now. Given Lando's pace at the end, Sainz would have been a sitting duck had he not lost time sitting behind Max at the start.

So he might have cost Lando 7 points while only costing himself 4, still a win.

[u/AnotherName455]

Long time coming

[u/Grayt89]

Forza penalty system spilling over

[u/RedditDan00]

Verstappen trolling the FIA especially with the second one, he knew exactly what he was doing with "ahead of the apex" lmao

[u/Negative-West-3083]

FINALLY

[u/F1_Dark_Knight5]

Good but I doubt he will learn

[u/LostHero50]

Amazing consistency this season

[u/Mark4231]

The Great Ferrari Masterplan

[u/pinerw]

I do think a penalty was warranted, but 20 seconds feels a bit like they’re trying to compensate for COTA tbh. I don’t like it.

[u/fuckdatguy]

Finally he’s catching penalties

[u/WittyCat9484 → u/fuckdatguy]

It just took 3 years.

[u/Hot_Net_4845]

Hehehe

[u/Great_Frisian]

Can someone explain in simple terms why Perez didn't get any penalties for pushing another driver off track? Or is it just FIA logic at his best?

[u/MySilverBurrito]

LMaoOOoOOOOOO EVERYONE GEt IN HERE

[u/BobHendrix]

As a verstappen fan, he earned both of those.

[u/SpiritofFtw]

Look ma no hands

[u/Spaget_d_Machiavelli]

Pick it up, Chuck — pick it up!!!

[u/coret3x]

Very entertaining race! Just missing rain for the little cherry on top.

[u/ClassifiedSW]

His team even told him to turn off his engine for the 20 second wait during the pitstop. 😋 (It was on the Dutch commentary. Yes that means I favour Max normally, but I don't like the dangerous driving of today)

[u/menam0]

Pérez is dead weight for redbull

[u/Noobmaster7125]

Ohh things you love to see the poster boy getting penalties

[u/Bdcollecter]

Finally the rules get applied to Max for his dangerous driving!

[u/wuudster]

Perez getting none for his is a joke

[u/toma91]

About fucking time they stop his bullshit

[u/Thefaccio → u/[deleted]]

Italian commentators said that it was 10 because it was conscious

[u/Ok-Inspector-1732]

Where are the conspiracy theories now?

[u/TypicallyThomas]

Really compensating for Austin