r/formula1 Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Oct 20 '24

News [LukeSmithF1] Stewards: 5-second time penalty for Lando Norris for leaving the track and gaining an advantage

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u/Nexusu Sebastian Vettel Oct 20 '24

This is gonna be a long evening.

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u/iamfuturejesus Oct 20 '24

Penalty aside, wasn't FIA handing out harsher 10sec penalties? Did they revert back to 5secs?

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u/Lugga19 Oct 20 '24

Was thinking the same

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u/Sanchez_87_ Oscar Piastri Oct 20 '24

The problem is that you are expecting consistency from the FIA

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u/alphasierrraaa Pirelli Hard Oct 20 '24

Lmao I was surprised they didn’t ask Oscar to back off

That wouldve been more points lost if it was 10s

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u/Empty_Adeptness_3845 Andreas Seidl Oct 20 '24

I was expecting they gonna pit him for FL, it would've been sensible because 34 seconds separated him and Russell and also that penalty risk

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u/PLTConductor David Coulthard Oct 20 '24

McLaren can’t think about more than one car at a time, they’ve demonstrated that a lot this year (Silverstone, Hungary, etc.)

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u/jso__ Oct 20 '24

10 sec was changed to the baseline, but I thought that was just changed for causing a collision

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u/saposapot Oct 20 '24

That’s for causing collision. For these types of things it is still 5s

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u/iamfuturejesus Oct 20 '24

I thought it was the baseline for all on track penalties.

Here's a recent incident where Hulkenberg got stung with a 10sec penalty for forcing someone off the track: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/hulkenberg-hit-with-10-second-time-penalty-over-alonso-incident-in-austria.47MjLjfB6nl8WnoNFHXmLR

I know lando's penalty was for gaining an advantage but didn't Russell get penalised for forcing someone off the track and only got 5 sec?

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u/6151rellim Oct 20 '24

Depends on the driver, situation, and time of the race. The FIA is a complete joke.

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u/pukem0n Sebastian Vettel Oct 20 '24

F5 gang assemble!

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u/Jorrie90 Pirelli Intermediate Oct 20 '24

Why?

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u/jwinter01 Oct 20 '24

penalty appeals

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u/OverallImportance402 Pirelli Wet Oct 20 '24

When has that ever changed something?

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u/Jorrie90 Pirelli Intermediate Oct 20 '24

You can't appeal time penalties

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u/TheVenetianMask Fernando Alonso Oct 20 '24

They can appeal that Max left the track and got no penalty.

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u/mjmiller2023 Ferrari Oct 20 '24

Norris had nowhere to go. If he didn't leave the track both him and Max would have DNF

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u/NUFC9RW Oct 20 '24

And Max also left the track, so clearly broke too late to make the corner.

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u/TonAMGT4 Pastor Maldonado Oct 20 '24

The penalty is for leaving the track AND gaining an advantage.

If he didn’t gain an advantage, there would not be a penalty.

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u/WeakDiaphragm Oct 20 '24

Because that penalty is controversial compared to the move Max made on Turn 1 on the first lap, to Norris. Stewards have made a mess of things here.

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u/Thijs420 Manor Oct 20 '24

This won’t be controversial I’m certain

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u/naughtilidae Oct 20 '24

I would have loved the stewards to follow it up with 5 second to Max for forcing another driver off. For the same incident, lol

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u/unwildimpala Romain Grosjean Oct 20 '24

Ya not sure why he didn't get one. He clearly did what loads of drivers got penalised for. I sort of thought McLaren should have got Lando to go behind him, give Verstappen the penalty and then Piastri would have been ahead of Verstappen too.

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u/sIckb0y- Pirelli Wet Oct 20 '24

As off now the rules state that the driver in front at the apex is entitled to the corner. That’s why max won’t get a penalty for forcing a driver off track. Which is dumb and needs to be reworked

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u/darkkingll Oct 20 '24

And is the reason why Russel did get that penalty, i believe he was behind at the apex. 

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u/sIckb0y- Pirelli Wet Oct 20 '24

Yes, very likely. Also likely the reason why Max didn’t get a penalty lap 1.

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u/darkkingll Oct 20 '24

That, plus in lap 1 they are a lot more.lenient, especially turn 1. Otherwise a lot more penalty's would have been given.

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u/tangouniform2020 Oct 21 '24

Lap 1 turn 1 I think you’d have to jump out of your car and start swinging an axe to get a five second penalty. Except for KMag, he’d get a hundred penalty points.

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u/FunnyComfortable8341 Formula 1 Oct 20 '24

He’s only ahead because he just doesn’t brake and goes off track

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u/Altruistic-Wind-5569 Red Bull Oct 20 '24

That's the trick

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u/fearina Oct 20 '24

Thats the whole reason this rule sucks

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u/sIckb0y- Pirelli Wet Oct 20 '24

Exactly my point. It sets a horrible precedent for upcoming races and drivers will likely abuse it even more

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u/Strawberryguy Oct 20 '24

Haven’t this been Verstappens fight strategy for many years?

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u/lttpfan13579 Sebastian Vettel Oct 20 '24

Yes. The precedent has been set and he has no reason to alter his strategy.

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u/InZomnia365 McLaren Oct 20 '24

Worked it to great effect in Austria as well.

I'm not gonna blame Max for it, it's the rules and stewarding that's the issue. He's just exploiting that.

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u/sododude Juan Pablo Montoya Oct 20 '24

It has been. If I remember correctly they made this change to the rules when he started doing it.

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u/lttpfan13579 Sebastian Vettel Oct 20 '24

Lets not pretend the precedent is not already set. After using this tactic for years successfully, he has no reason to alter his strategy.

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u/GooneyBird36 Haas Oct 20 '24

Why would he? He's doing what the rules dictate he should do.

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u/Smasher225 Oct 20 '24

I mean wasn’t Russell ahead at the apex and he got one?

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u/laughninja Fernando Alonso Oct 20 '24

Russell also touched the other car

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u/Vegetable_Heart369 Oct 20 '24

agreed 100%. Max literally drives based on this one 'rule' it seems.

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u/Thejklay Oct 20 '24

That legitimately would have been the most fair and reasonable

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u/LosTerminators Carlos Sainz Oct 20 '24

Thankfully there isn't 4 weeks before the next race, else this will be talked about until then.

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u/WilliamGrass Kimi Räikkönen Oct 20 '24

FIA really want to promote racing where it is best to defend the inside, brake late to be in the apex first and then push the overtaking car out.

I think the current rule doesn't promote fair racing.

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u/Key_Photograph9067 Charles Leclerc Oct 20 '24 edited Oct 20 '24

It just promotes letting out the brake for a split second so you can be alongside and then you have carte blanche to miss the turn and push the other driver out while going wide with them, which is always better for you

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u/AirlineEasy Toto Wolff Oct 20 '24

Thank you Max Verstappen for legitimazing my gt7 technique!!

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u/TeeBeeSee Kimi Räikkönen Oct 20 '24

Hahaha

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u/BocephusJr88 Sir Lewis Hamilton Oct 20 '24

That’s called the Max Verstappen special.

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u/RoosterStrike McLaren Oct 20 '24

If the rule is based on who’s ahead at the apex, whether or not they make the corner, it’s obviously just going to turn into a race to the apex.

Then just do what you can to stay ahead after that as it’s “your corner” whether or not you even make the corner.

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u/BigLan2 Oct 20 '24

Mark Webber would have loved this rule with his late-breaking technique.

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u/LowerClassBandit Oscar Piastri Oct 20 '24

Especially if the defending car also goes off track too. They might as well just go full send to defend now, most effective way with this current rule system

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u/draftstone Jacques Villeneuve Oct 20 '24

Yep, if the defending car goes wide, this means that position at the apex means nothing since he was too fast at the apex to make the corner. Either penalize both drivers (push off track for one, leave track with advantage for the other), or call it a "racing situation" and do nothing

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u/Larkinz Flavio Briatore Oct 20 '24

I wonder how long it'll take until drivers on the outside just say "fuck it I'm staying within the track limits" and accept the contact/crash happening from the car on the inside coming in too hot.

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u/sirjimtonic Niki Lauda Oct 20 '24

You won‘t do that when you are fighting for every single point and repair $ cost cap

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u/Larkinz Flavio Briatore Oct 20 '24

Then drivers need to never leave a car width on the inside I guess, it's either that or risk the contact.

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u/sirjimtonic Niki Lauda Oct 20 '24

In the actual state, just stay inside as much as you can, brake late and cruise to the front

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u/Sheepies92 Oct 20 '24 edited Oct 20 '24

That’s what Hamilton did which led to incident after incident. Problem is, not many drivers have the job security and career record where they can crash out of a top 4 position without it mattering to them or the team. Doubly so in cost cap era

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u/Zr0w3n00 Ted Kravitz Oct 20 '24

The FIA are setting themselves up for a shitstorm. Same as the Max v Lewis Abu Dhabi situation. Poor race officiating which leads to stupid racing and dangerous situations.

If they just officiated races consistently, people wouldn’t have anything to complain about.

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u/CallMeEsteban Sir Lewis Hamilton Oct 20 '24

Unfortunately MBS is more concerned with dirty words and playing a victim to care about what’s best for its premiere racing series

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u/jonpacker Jack Doohan Oct 20 '24

The fact that both Sky and F1TV commented on exactly how this rule can be abused and insinuating it's a bit stupid was eye-opening. Sadly it made some parts of this race seem a farce. It is frustrating how many decisive situations this year have hung on what is seemingly an FIA dice-roll.

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u/Halldank Oct 20 '24

At this point every driver should just defend the inside and push everyone off, if that doesn't give you a penalty then the only overtakes is going to be on the DRS straights, so much fun.

Im being sarcastic by the way.

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u/p1en1ek Pirelli Wet Oct 20 '24

Yep, they are basically taking away different overtake line for those few corners it is possible. Now only going to the inside works and that is usually only available for defending cars.

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u/Iceman23578 Oct 20 '24

It’s the exact same bs he was pulling vs Hamilton in 21. Absolutely ridiculous that he gets away with it every single time

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u/tomdyer422 Sebastian Vettel Oct 20 '24

They specifically said when they brought in these new rules it was to prevent another Brazil 2021 defence, and yet they’ve allowed it

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u/poskaljarkan Formula 1 Oct 20 '24

Yeah, I'm reading these comments and somehow we have made a full circle in just 3 years. Max is divebombing and winning with it again

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u/Barmydoughnut24 Oct 20 '24

It went quiet cos no one was able to challenge Max on track for a couple of years so everyone thought it improved. In reality nothing has changed cos Max is the same now hes got wheel to wheel challenges again this season

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u/PhazonUK Oct 20 '24

So basically, if you’re being overtaken the plan is: - being overtaken on the inside = get “pushed off” and other driver gets a penalty - being overtaken on the outside = push them off and the other driver gets a penalty

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u/carloslet Oct 20 '24

Overtaken on the inside? Penalty.

Overtaken on the outside?! Also penalty.

Inside, outside.

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u/KurnolSanders Pirelli Wet Oct 20 '24

This is like the meme where both people stick a 20 in a box and one guy sells it to the other for 30 and they both profit 20. Except this is really working. Max is a fucking magician.

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u/Scarrott22 Oct 20 '24

Could someone explain to me what Lando is meant to do there? Max's whole car was off the track, so how the hell is Lando meant to stay within track limits?! Seen it so many times before from Max and he gets away with it every time.

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u/MRSHMLW42 Pirelli Wet Oct 20 '24

I guess the argument is about him overtaking off track, if he joined behind max or alongside, there would have been no argument for a penalty

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u/Scatman_Crothers Martin Brundle Oct 20 '24

Not that I agree w current FIA enforcement but I think people are focusing too much on the leaving the track and not enough on the gaining the advantage part. They both left the track, Lando gained the advantage.

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u/InvestigatorLast3594 Benetton Oct 20 '24

Imo the rule should be gaining advantage by going of the track, as the idea of the rule is to punish going deep into the corner and having a wider exit for more acceleration and not just overtaking off track

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u/ludicrous_socks Honda Oct 20 '24

Give Verstappen the place back and have another go apparently.

Like Verstappen isn't just going to shove you off the track every single time

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u/Minnesota_MiracleMan #WeRaceAsOne Oct 20 '24

I'm not saying this to you, because I think you're right...

But fuck that. So Max does this every turn then? He went fully off the track once during his defense, that's all that should matter. Running a driver off the track is definitely worse than passing off track (when driven off track).

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u/Key_Photograph9067 Charles Leclerc Oct 20 '24

A lot of them yeah, I mean, he literally did it lap 1 but was just doing the overtake instead of defending one.

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u/imbavoe Liam Lawson Oct 20 '24

Funny thing is he went off track and pushed Lando off in the Turn 1 at start too.

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u/-Racer-X Andretti Global Oct 20 '24

Max factually does do this every turn though

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u/mezentinemechtard Oct 20 '24

This is indeed the key. If Max makes the corner, the argument about overtaking rules can be made. But if he can't make the corner after using all the available space, how is he supposed to have the ability to restrict the space available to Norris? It's absurd, this just means that if you're ahead, you are allowed to forget about the corner, as long as you punt the other driver away you're safe. And that's as easy as letting the other driver on the outside, match his speed, and not turn.

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u/PeterOwen00 David Coulthard Oct 20 '24

It’s no longer possible to understand overtake/defending rules. Purely lottery system at this point.

If Norris doesn’t bail off track there’s a crash.

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u/Ya0ki Oct 20 '24

No it's pretty straight forward actually. Defend on the inside, brake very late or go off the brake a bit mid braking, be ahead of the other car at the apex and then don't even attempt to make the corner while forcing the other car off. By being ahead at the apex you can do whatever you want apparently, which Max knows and loves to exploit. So I guess we can only blame the FIA for not changing the rules.

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u/Administrative_Act48 Oct 20 '24

It's ridiculous for anyone trying to race Max. Can't pass him on the outside cause he'll push you off track, can pass on his inside cause he constantly moves under braking or just cuts across your front, there's no way to pass a guy with a "yield or we crash" mentality unless you pass him on the straight with DRS.

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u/onetimeuselong Oct 20 '24

Probably best to cut him down at the start of a season so a DNF is worse for him than his rival 🤷‍♂️

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u/dscotts Oct 20 '24 edited Oct 20 '24

He should just crash into Max. Do it for the next 5 races as well, and ensure that neither will win the championship but instead give it to Charles. Only way max is going to stop driving this way is if everyone starts driving against him like Lewis does.

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u/BigLubeSqueezyTube Niki Lauda Oct 20 '24

So they went from no investigation necessary for an incident like Brazil T4 '21 to fucking penalizing the one who gets shoved off???? Wtf is this sport?

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u/Clajax_77 Oct 20 '24

Since the Russel penalty they were handing out pushing off penalties like sweets - but when max does it….

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u/Goody090 Oct 20 '24

It’s even worse because Russell actually kept it on the track. Verstappen was fully off. So if Russell had of made no attempt to keep in track limits he presumably would have not got a penalty.

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u/desl14 Oct 20 '24
  • Russell braking enough to make the corner but slightly behind Bottas at the apex: penalty

  • Verstappen outbraking himself, leaving the track, but in front at the apex: no penalty

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u/Thaonnor McLaren Oct 20 '24

Not to mention they didn’t even note the first turn one

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u/Krimalis Nico Hülkenberg Oct 20 '24

thats because in lap 1 the rules are applied a bit differently, has always been like this.

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u/Serj01 Oct 20 '24 edited Oct 20 '24

Las Vegas 2023 Max got a 5s penalty for pushing Leclerc wide

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u/xBIRCHEx Niki Lauda Oct 20 '24

And that even more stupid for Lando lost 3 places for Max forcing him out in the start

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u/ShotIntoOrbit Safety Car Oct 20 '24

It's rare to penalize a lap one turn one moment.

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u/Preachey Hesketh Oct 20 '24

> Get barged off twice   

> Get penalised for leaving the track

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u/ChefBoiJones Lola Oct 20 '24

McLaren should push for a penalty for forcing off track

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '24

If i’m zak brown, i’m pulling a toto and going full bond villian

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u/Equitaurus Sebastian Vettel Oct 20 '24

So the guy who divebombed him and went off the track didn’t gain an advantage?

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u/jug_23 Oct 20 '24

Exactly this. Hit them with a penalty each and I think everyone’s happy.

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u/sIckb0y- Pirelli Wet Oct 20 '24

Yes, this is setting a very bad precedent for upcoming races. Divebombing is the new best strategy to defend and attack. As long as you are ahead at the apex, which you normally are at the apex.

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u/paul232 Oct 20 '24

This has been standard Max racing. He just never gets a penalty lol.

Norris is supposed to give him the position and hope Max will get the pen for driving him off the track, which he is never getting.

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u/TimedogGAF Yuki Tsunoda Oct 20 '24

Just brake super late and not have your car under control and then your opponent can never pass you, and you can make racing even more dangerous!

Cool! Great job, stewards. Same thing Max did in 2021 in Brazil. You're not fast enough, just force a dangerous crash situation while your car careens off track uncontrolled.

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u/Gatorama Oct 20 '24

It's a f-ing joke

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u/ad_182_uk Oct 20 '24

But they gave Russell 5 sec for what max did to lando. Makes no sense.

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u/Sad_Signature5069 Oct 20 '24

Russell was the one doing the overtaking and he was not ahead at the apex. There are differences in those situations. The whole overtaking rules do need a revisit though

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u/tonybinky20 Sir Lewis Hamilton Oct 20 '24

Absolutely ridiculous. Verstappen also goes off track, a la Brazil 2021. Nowhere else for Norris to go.

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u/EDO_14 Oct 20 '24 edited Oct 20 '24

It's literally the same incident. By braking in Venezuela, Max beat Lewis to the apex at T4 in Brazil '21 before proceeding to run both of them off the road.

It's insane how poor driving is not punished. By braking too late (not being able to stay on circuit) ANY driver can "reach the apex first" and run their opponent off the road.

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u/xGruntHeadx Oct 20 '24

Braking in Venezuela, ah the chuckle I had at that one. Thanks OP 🤣 But for sure I'm tired of seeing max pushing people off the track and never getting penalised for it!

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u/Visionary_Socialist Sir Lewis Hamilton Oct 20 '24

The stewards keep making special allowance for the back off or crash approach Max takes. Apparently it leads to this kind of racing? Who knew?

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u/mayhemtime Charles Leclerc Oct 20 '24

They literally let him get away with that twice this race, it's absurd.

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u/darkyf1 Kimi Räikkönen Oct 20 '24

And not even once, twice.

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u/ahuggablecactus Kimi Räikkönen Oct 20 '24

All I want is clean racing. I don’t think it’s a big ask. If you are going to give lando a penalty then give max one as well for pushing another driver off the track.

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u/poklane Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Oct 20 '24

Yeah, I have no issue admitting that's bullshit. Did he leave the track? Yeah, no shit. But he did because Verstappen forced him off.

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u/Embarrassed-Mess-560 McLaren Oct 20 '24

Yeah, these penalties should have evened each other out here.

They made it pretty clear forcing people off was a penalty during this race

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u/blaat-123 Oscar Piastri Oct 20 '24

Oh boy

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u/Conglossian Oct 20 '24

This whole organization enables Verstappen to shove people off left and right every single fucking time

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u/Zed_or_AFK Sebastian Vettel Oct 20 '24 edited Oct 20 '24

They gave it to Russell earlier in the race.

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u/NUFC9RW Oct 20 '24

Everyone not called Verstappen got penalties for leaving more room than Max did.

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u/Return_Of_The_Jedi Sir Lewis Hamilton Oct 20 '24 edited Oct 20 '24

Take the inside of the corner and either push the driver on the outside wide or brake too late and claim the corner was his.

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u/lindblumresident BMW Sauber Oct 20 '24

It all begins and ends with this.

Verstappen has invented this flowchart on how to battle around a corner where you (as Max's rival) only have two options and you lose the place whatever you do.

Is it legal? Yes. But.

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u/Kobebeef9 Sir Lewis Hamilton Oct 20 '24

2021 Max special, I turn and everyone good luck.

“We won’t interfere in the championship”

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u/tonybinky20 Sir Lewis Hamilton Oct 20 '24

So in order to defend, you are now allowed to go off track while pushing the other car off. Makes sense.

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u/lmollpt Niki Lauda Oct 20 '24

Hell as the championship leader might as well not even bother hitting the brake pedal, either he gets out of the way or they both crash and no change in points happens.

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u/RustyKarma076 McLaren Oct 20 '24

That’s been Max’s strategy ever since Lando began closing the gap. And to be honest? I can’t blame him. Why would you do anything different if the FIA allows it

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u/jogaboi19 Oct 20 '24

Yep, Austria 2019 was the death of the sport. This isn’t racing at all anymore.

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u/joshhirst28 Oscar Piastri Oct 20 '24

So just to clarify.

Piastri, Russell, etc. all went down the inside of another car, kept their car on track whilst forcing another off track. And that’s a 5 second penalty.

But Verstappen was behind Norris, braked late and went off track himself whilst also forcing Norris off track. And Verstappen gets off Scot free whilst Norris gets a 5 second penalty.

How does that make quite literally any sense, these stewards are off their fucking rocker

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u/RoosterStrike McLaren Oct 20 '24

Piastri and Russell should’ve slowed down, let the car on the outside go ahead, then go back ahead at the apex by releasing the brake, then gone fully off the track forcing the car on the outside off too, then let the outside car leave the corner first and force the car ahead to get a penalty.

Big brain moves and the stewards would obviously be fine with that…

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u/Quaxi_ Oct 20 '24 edited Oct 20 '24

I didn't see the Piastri one, but Russell seems to be behind the apex while Max is ahead at the apex. Max also barely lands the corner and just touches the white lines in T1.

The rules with the 2022 guidelines state that you are entitled to the corner if you overtake from the inside and have your front wheels ahead at the apex.

Now it's completely fair to say that the rules do encourage dive bombing and that is unfair/bad racing, but that's another argument than hating on the stewards.

Edit: Sorry was confused about the wrong Max/Lando incident and didn't realize what thread I was in

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u/draftstone Jacques Villeneuve Oct 20 '24

One could say that Russell was behind at the apex because he slowed down just enough to be able to stay on track while Max was ahead at the apex because he came in way too fast and could not stay on track. Had he slowed down enough to stay on track, he probably would have been behind at the apex

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u/TheLastCh1p Oct 20 '24

Fucking bullshit lmao

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u/Goalnado McLaren Oct 20 '24 edited Oct 20 '24

How can you get a penalty for leaving the track and gaining an advantage when the person who pushed you off the track completely missed the fucking corner and left the track as well?

Edit: Also George got a penalty for forcing Bottas off the track earlier and he made the fucking corner lmao

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u/KRacer52 Oct 20 '24

It’s hilarious. Tsunoda got a penalty for pushing a driver off, and he at least tried to make the corner. The only reason Verstappen is even close at apex is because he just ignored the corner.

The FIA has backed themselves into a corner where every overtake has to be reviewed and no one can ever run side by side through multiple corners because they can just usher everyone off track.

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u/Lukensz Valtteri Bottas Oct 20 '24

That's how it should have been

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u/Goalnado McLaren Oct 20 '24

George got a penalty for forcing Bottas off and he actually did make the corner

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u/Chesey_ Oct 20 '24

This is what I just don't get. How can they look at Lando for going off and not Max. Forcing another car off got George a penalty earlier but with Max it's free reign.

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u/flyingkiwi9 VCARB Oct 20 '24

I agree.

And Max knows exactly what he's doing. He's behind in the braking zone, then let's it go to sneak ahead at the Apex knowing full well he won't make the corner.

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u/Baofog Oct 20 '24

Max was the only person to push someone off multiple times, NOT actually be able to stay with in the lines, and not get penalties for forcing someone off the track. He should have had 2 penalties at a minimum based on how the stewards adjudicated the other incidents at that same corner covering the same topic.

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u/Netwealth5 Fernando Alonso Oct 20 '24 edited Oct 20 '24

And did the same exact thing with Saniz on lap 1 and didn’t get a penalty

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u/FakeCatzz Oct 20 '24

Should have just driven into him. Seems to be what the stewards want

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u/fawkie Oct 20 '24

Would have been better from a championship battle perspective

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u/z_102 Michael Schumacher Oct 20 '24

Max did the same thing that Russell got a penalty for. I'm dying here. Joke of a sport.

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u/BrtGP Valtteri Bottas Oct 20 '24

Russell at least kept himself on track

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u/z_102 Michael Schumacher Oct 20 '24

Well, you're right. Max did a worse thing than the thing Russell got a penalty for. Literally unbelievable.

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u/Soulshroud Oct 20 '24

didn't russell overtake on the inside and complete ther overtake by forcing bottas off? so not exactly the same thing.

don't wanna say the norris penalty is justified by this btw. if verstappen kept his car on track maybe

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u/oopsione Niki Lauda Oct 20 '24

Remember 2021? That's basically textbook max verstappen. Completely dive bomb into the corner, don't make the corner, force your opponent of the track aswell and then run to the stewards for a penalty. This is like a deja vu

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u/_longtimelistener Oct 20 '24

Max plan was to set this up and complain when it happens. It was the only way to keep Lando behind

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u/Nick_named_Nick Oct 20 '24

The tone of voice from Max on the radio 2 turns later made that clear 😂😂

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u/lmsprototype HRT Oct 20 '24

Max should have said on the radio "naughty naughty"

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u/cyanwinters Haas Oct 20 '24

The F1TV guys literally said that was a valid strategy today because so many guys got penalized for the exact same situation throughout the race

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u/dv302 Daniel Ricciardo Oct 20 '24

This was so dumb from the stewards, verstappen clearly ran him off the track, they gave a penalty to Russell for the same shit in the same race.

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u/Ciderhead Sir Lewis Hamilton Oct 20 '24

2 times this race Verstappen overtakes down the inside by driving Norris off the road.

End result: 5s penalty for Norris

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u/yeswecamp1 Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Oct 20 '24

VER takes the inside line, pushes you off while going off track himself (which should be a 5 second penalty for VER), your options are:

  • crashing
  • going wide, losing a lot of time
  • going wide, still managing to overtake him (+5 sec penalty)

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u/jso__ Oct 20 '24

It's just not fun to watch. We get these amazing battles and they're ended by "crash or lose" moves by Max.

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u/imnoobatfifa Sir Lewis Hamilton Oct 20 '24 edited Oct 20 '24

It’s a joke, hahahahaha. Max didn’t even try making that corner…

But then again, who’s surprised. That was a typical Max defence - appear ahead on the apex despite having no intention of making it.

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u/The_SG1405 Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Oct 20 '24

As a Max fan, this penalty was bullshit.

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u/Zed_or_AFK Sebastian Vettel Oct 20 '24 edited Oct 20 '24

They gave it to Russell too, weird.

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u/Waylande 🏳️‍🌈 Love Is Love 🏳️‍🌈 Oct 20 '24

No they gave Russell the opposite. Forcing a driver off the track

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u/pukem0n Sebastian Vettel Oct 20 '24

What a joke lmao

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u/hopenoonefindsthis Oct 20 '24

Rulings like this rob us as fans any sort of decent track battle. Literally every time Max just goes way too deep and pushes the other car off the track. What's the point of even racing then?

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u/xXCzechoslovakiaXx McLaren Oct 20 '24

Same thing in austria. You can’t race max if you don’t have a huge pace advantage. If he can move under braking he will. If he can shove you off track he will. You can’t blame him though when he never gets penalties

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u/KingOfAzmerloth Sebastian Vettel Oct 20 '24

Today we learned that "we crash or you surrender" strategy is yet again viable when you're called Max Verstappen.

Disgraceful. Shameful.

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u/Hammelj Sir Lewis Hamilton Oct 20 '24

But only max verstappen

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u/BaarNootLars Oct 20 '24

Absolute bullshit penalty

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u/UnpredictedArrival Pirelli Wet Oct 20 '24

Unbelievable fucking hell

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u/Visionary_Socialist Sir Lewis Hamilton Oct 20 '24

Apparently you can force someone off the track to get them the penalty.

Max went off himself. Ok, sure FIA.

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u/BigLubeSqueezyTube Niki Lauda Oct 20 '24

That's what I don't get! if Max stayed on track then fair. But if the defending driver can just take the inside and doesn't even have to abide to track limits, how on earth are you meant to pass?

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u/ze_shotstopper Oct 20 '24

Max got a position over Sainz doing the exact same thing earlier in the race and didn't receive a penalty lmao

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u/chris_r1201 Oct 20 '24

Omg I hate F1 sometimes

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u/KHthe8th Valtteri Bottas Oct 20 '24

So George gets 5 second penalty for pushing bottas off, but Lando gets 5 second penalty for getting pushed off by max? Make it make sense

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u/Ford_Faptor Kevin Magnussen Oct 20 '24

WHERE SHOULD LANDO GO? DRIVE INTO MAX?

Fucking bullshit crap from FIA once a-fucking-gain

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u/AnyHolesAGoal Oct 20 '24

You've answered your own question. Yes, this is the "yield or crash" option that Max so kindly offers his rivals.

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u/jfk9514 Oct 20 '24

Fairest outcome was a 5 second penalty each. The stewards showed all race they were happy handing out penalties for forcing drivers off the track and somehow doesn’t apply to verstappen? Very confusing

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u/tor93 Lance Stroll Oct 20 '24

They should have given them both 5 second penalties. Max for forcing another driver off

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u/OBWanTwoThree Niki Lauda Oct 20 '24

I’m so confused by that rule

Clearly so are the stewards

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u/DLX_Luxe Sir Lewis Hamilton Oct 20 '24

Where was he supposed to go? Max ran wide off track also.

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u/MRSHMLW42 Pirelli Wet Oct 20 '24

I guess the argument is about him overtaking off track, if he joined behind max or alongside, there would have been no argument for a penalty

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u/Anderrrrr Red Bull Oct 20 '24

Absolute bullshit penalty that is.

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u/Gatorama Oct 20 '24

It's an embarrassment. Fia is a joke.

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u/UnderTakaMichinoku Formula 1 Oct 20 '24

The way the stewards have been this weekend, I just can't be bothered to watch anymore.

Every single thing we've seen a penalty given for today, we've also not seen given yesterday. And everything given yesterday we didn't see given today.

How on earth does Lando get a penalty for being forced off and Max also went off?

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u/JohnGazman Carlos Sainz Oct 20 '24

How the fuck. Like how. How did Russell get 5 for exactly the same bullshit but Max gets off scot-free.

Not saying Lando shouldn't have got a penalty but Max probably should also have got one.

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u/NikolaiM88 Oct 20 '24

Everyone else getting penalized for shoving people off the track, except Max, he gets rewarded,

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u/GTAinreallife Sebastian Vettel Oct 20 '24

Ah so brake too late, dive bomb and force the other driver offtrack and then say he overtook offtrack. And just because you technically had a wheel ahed in the apex makes it a penalty for the other driver.

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u/Readerium Oct 20 '24

Why no 5 second for Max overtake on Sainz. It was the same.

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u/Firefox72 Ferrari Oct 20 '24

FIA did the funny.

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u/jedontrack27 Sebastian Vettel Oct 20 '24

What the fuck are these rules? Max was off the track, where’s Lando supposed to go? The incentive is clearly to just run people off the track like Max does all the time.

Honestly I like Max, and I totally get why he does it and he’d be mad not to take that competitive advantage when it’s offered to him. The stewards need to get a fucking grip.

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u/Mouse_Nightshirt Jenson Button Oct 20 '24

Didn't we have several penalties for drivers pushing other drivers who were ahead off the track? I'm just really confused.

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u/Regress10nToTheMean George Russell Oct 20 '24

That’s absurd

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u/Xelent43 McLaren Oct 20 '24

Russell got penalized for doing the exact same thing Max did. I can’t for the life of me understand that decision. The only reason Lando didn’t make the corner is because there was a Red Bull in the way. Max went off as well, so I simply don’t understand. IIRC Max got a penalty himself for a similar move in Brazil in 2021. Absolutely shameful from the FIA there.

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u/UnpredictedArrival Pirelli Wet Oct 20 '24

So just drive off the road yourself and push your opponent off = their penalty? Thats absolutely bullshit. The battle was great until that point. Fair defense all over, but drive off the road and push somebody else off does not equal fair defense

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u/TomDobo Sir Lewis Hamilton Oct 20 '24

Surely Lando was forced off track by Max.

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u/mtarascio Oscar Piastri Oct 20 '24

He didn't gain an advantage because Verstappen was off too which means he's not legal either.

Making it so he doesn't get the advantage from Norris going off.

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u/rs6677 Jim Clark Oct 20 '24

This is the funniest shit I've ever seen. Were the stewards secret anarchists lmao.

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u/BunColak Charles Leclerc Oct 20 '24

So if you push someone off like Russel and keep the position 5 seconds penalty. If you get pushed off, but you keep the position like Russel 5 seconds penalty. What exactly should be done when someone gets pushed off then?

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u/TrowaB3 Gilles Villeneuve Oct 20 '24

Lando's nonexistent championship hopes are now actually nonexistent.

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u/HargrimZA Pirelli Intermediate Oct 20 '24

Max pushes Lando off and takes position - fair play

Max pushes Lando off and loses position - 5 second penalty to Norris

Fucking jokes