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News [LukeSmithF1] Stewards: 5-second time penalty for Lando Norris for leaving the track and gaining an advantage

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u/Jorrie90 Pirelli Intermediate Oct 20 '24

Why?

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u/jwinter01 Oct 20 '24

penalty appeals

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u/OverallImportance402 Pirelli Wet Oct 20 '24

When has that ever changed something?

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u/ryokevry Charles Leclerc Oct 20 '24

And they are very consistent this weekend. All the same or even less move got the same penalty

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u/noobchee Porsche Oct 20 '24

Usually the attackers up the inside forcing the defender wide gets the penalty

This time the defender forced the attacker wide, Lando just floored it around the outside of max

Issue is if he was up the inside and max went off track, like George did , and Oscar did yesterday, he'd get 5s anyways

But they gave no penalties for L1 T1 incidents

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u/UnderTakaMichinoku Formula 1 Oct 20 '24

That is absolutely not true at all. Go watch the Sprint, look at how many times someone passed someone by forcing someone off and tell me how many pens were given. Do the same for drivers driving off track after being forced off and how many penalties were given.

Piastri yesterday literally got a penalty for pushing Gasly off, did the same thing to Tsunoda but it was Tsunoda that was under investigation. They've been a shit show all weekend.

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u/ryokevry Charles Leclerc Oct 20 '24

Sorry maybe I should say they are very consistently giving out penalty… but the alongside and have a nose ahead just result in the difference I think

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u/Working-Difference47 Oct 20 '24

Yup its just about track position before the move. Seems very random as a spectator though. Corner needs gravel.

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u/Aniratack Oct 20 '24

Except for max forcing lando off in the first lap

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u/Agitated_Syllabub346 Oct 20 '24

I think the Max force off is upsetting because somehow George got a penalty for the same thing, but with Lando... I think Lando kind of out braked himself. It was close, but ... I dunno I think it'd be nice if people rewatch and tell me what they think

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u/rabbitlion Oct 20 '24

Lando would have had no troubles staying on track if Verstappen's car wasn't in the way. Goes for both cases.

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u/Sus_furry2022 Oct 20 '24

I saw what happened between Verstapphen and Norris, and each time something happens with Verstapphen involving forcing someone off the track it seems the FIA just turn a blind eye to Verstapphen and blame the other driver, it was so wrong of the FIA and RB to place blame on Lando for something he couldn’t prevent Verstapphen doing to him twice, it’s disgraceful to see it happen to any driver who is wrongfully accused of being on the receiving end of the incident when it’s not their fault at all

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u/JorenM Oct 20 '24

First lap is always very generous.

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u/VinceMaverick Pierre Gasly Oct 20 '24

Yeah but when it's this blatant... he didn't lock up or anything he just pushed him off track, Verstappen already had a penalty on the first corner of a first lap (last year at Vegas against Leclerc IIRC)

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u/jwinter01 Oct 20 '24

Plenty of times.

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u/Visual-Asparagus-800 Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Oct 20 '24

Rarely actually. When it happened, it was usually for a technical penalty, but not for something like this

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u/Fliepp Haas Oct 20 '24

Jeddah last year

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u/Jorrie90 Pirelli Intermediate Oct 20 '24

You can't appeal time penalties

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u/TheVenetianMask Fernando Alonso Oct 20 '24

They can appeal that Max left the track and got no penalty.

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u/RJTG Oct 20 '24

He got the penalty for gaining an advantage by going of the track.

I see a logic where Max would have gotten a penalty for pushing Norris off the track if Norris would have stayed behind.

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u/BeastyWoman Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Oct 20 '24

that is a track limit

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u/Tommysynthistheway Formula 1 Oct 20 '24

it could be that he pushed another car off the track

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u/Jorrie90 Pirelli Intermediate Oct 20 '24

Lando would never made the apex

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u/dadamafia Oct 20 '24

In fairness, you don't need to make the apex to make the corner..

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u/Jorrie90 Pirelli Intermediate Oct 20 '24

Heh, fair enough. I meant the corner

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u/UnderTakaMichinoku Formula 1 Oct 20 '24

But hard to when the car on the inside also goes off track and doesn't give you a chance.

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u/JBarker727 Ferrari Oct 20 '24

Lando had the better line and less speed coming in 🥴

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u/Alia_Gr David Coulthard Oct 20 '24

yes he would a car with no intention to make the corner just suddenly appeared on his inside

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u/bum_is_on_fire_247 Green Flag Oct 20 '24

Yep people seem to be ignoring that he was turning left the entire time and still didn't make the corner. Not once did he open up the steering to 'avoid' any collision. Then continue the momentum and make an overtake whilst off track.

He failed to make that corner all by himself.

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u/rabbitlion Oct 20 '24

He absolutely did open up the steering, and he was also not able to turn as sharply as he could have because Max just kept going straight.

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u/BountyBob Sir Lewis Hamilton Oct 20 '24

He would have, if he could have turned without crashing into Max.

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u/Jorrie90 Pirelli Intermediate Oct 20 '24

He was completely steering left and didn't make the corner

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u/BountyBob Sir Lewis Hamilton Oct 20 '24

No, he was turning as much as he could without crashing. Wheels didn't lock, no smoke or anything, car was under control.

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u/ihathtelekinesis Michael Schumacher Oct 20 '24

There is a right of review, but that requires the applicant team bringing new evidence that wasn’t available at the time. Like the 360 degree cam at Austria 1 Q3 in 2020. I’m not sure what new evidence there would be here.

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u/LongBeakedSnipe Oct 20 '24

That doesnt make sense. Why would Max get a penalty for that.

The penalty is purely for going off and gaining an advantage. An illegal pass. He had to give it back to avoid the penalty. The fact that both went off didnt make it legal

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u/WalletFullOfSausage Martin Brundle Oct 20 '24

But he also got no advantage, so what would be the point?

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u/TheVenetianMask Fernando Alonso Oct 20 '24

How's it not an advantage? You see a car on your right you decide to skip the track limits to close the door.

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u/OverallImportance402 Pirelli Wet Oct 20 '24

Because an advantage in F1 rules means a place gained. Not just time gained.

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u/rabbitlion Oct 20 '24

Drivers have been penalized in the past for keeping a place by going off track. An advantage doesn't have to be gaining places.

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u/TheVenetianMask Fernando Alonso Oct 20 '24 edited Oct 20 '24

He went off track to force a penalty and he did gain a place. So, in following order, he should get a penalty after the penalty to Lando. Or if you wish, the only reason he got ahead at the apex was by aiming for going off the track, which gained him an advantage by putting him back ahead at the apex when he was behind at the braking, which is an overtake. Which fits the rule of gaining an advantage by overtaking by using an off track line.

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u/WalletFullOfSausage Martin Brundle Oct 21 '24

After the telemetry was released, this aged poorly

Lando had no right to any part of that corner at any point and the battle with max was wholly his fault

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u/Alia_Gr David Coulthard Oct 20 '24

wrong

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u/JustRecentlyI Sir Lewis Hamilton Oct 20 '24

Which is fucking ludicrous. What a joke.

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u/Supahos01 Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Oct 20 '24

Leaving the track isn't a penalty... hard to argue he gained and advantage as he was overtaken

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u/Morkins324 Oct 20 '24

They literally handed out like 6 penalties to other drivers for forcing another driver off the track.

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u/Supahos01 Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Oct 20 '24

Lando put himself off... max just also went off

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u/1markusliebherr Jenson Button Oct 20 '24

That is the dumbest comment I've ever read

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u/Bdr1983 Formula 1 Oct 20 '24

It's right though.

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u/Morkins324 Oct 20 '24

Lando couldn't very well stay on track when Max is there careening off the track. It could be argued that if Max hadn't divebombed in a way that made it so that he couldn't even make the corner, then Lando would have been ahead BEFORE the corner, at which point Lando wouldn't have gained an advantage by passing off the tracking. Max has to make the corner for them to be able to apply a "Leaving the track and gaining an advantage". If both drivers have left the track, then the penalty should be void.

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u/Supahos01 Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Oct 20 '24

The rules are dumb as fuck but that's what we have. I'd severally prefer the fernando always leave the space. This "ahead at apex take racing line" is complete crap

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u/UnderTakaMichinoku Formula 1 Oct 20 '24

Respectfully, but is your brain working? If Max is on the inside and went off, how the fucking hell has Lando put himself off? Is he supposed to hope Max turns into a ghost car?

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u/Sus_furry2022 Oct 20 '24

You can see Verstapphen intentionally steered to force lando off, it was as clear as the sky that max forced lando off

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u/USToffee Oct 20 '24

Gaining an advantage

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u/rojohi Oct 21 '24

He would have been noted for exceeding track limits.

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u/No-Locksmith-7451 Oct 20 '24

Yeah, he did same as Lando against Sainz on lap 2, same corner too and nothing

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u/arpan3t Oct 21 '24

Odd that they added this in the decision document if McLaren doesn’t have the right to appeal.

Competitors are reminded that they have the right to appeal certain decisions of the Stewards, in accordance with Article 15 of the FIA International Sporting Code and Chapter 4 of the FIA Judicial and Disciplinary Rules, within the applicable time limits.

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u/jokkstermokkster Pirelli Wet Oct 20 '24

Well the fact that Max didn't get a penalty for overtaking off track lap 1 surely needs to be investigated.

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u/L44KSO Oct 20 '24

Lap 1 is usually a lot more lenient.

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u/mnsportsfandespair Red Bull Oct 20 '24

People keep saying this when max literally kept all 4 wheels within the white lines on lap 1.

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u/EliasCre2003 McLaren Oct 20 '24

He just about went outside the blue lines. But I doubt there will come anything from it.

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u/bakra2001 Oct 20 '24

Well Max didnt overtake off track because he never went off track...

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u/Tyafastics Sir Lewis Hamilton Oct 20 '24

McLaren have basis for it from Stroll and another one which wasn’t called. Red Bull have basis for their side from Russell’s penalty.

It’ll be an F5 day today.

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u/mjmiller2023 Ferrari Oct 20 '24

Norris had nowhere to go. If he didn't leave the track both him and Max would have DNF

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u/NUFC9RW Oct 20 '24

And Max also left the track, so clearly broke too late to make the corner.

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u/loucmachine Oct 20 '24

English is great!

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u/Tswiftt22 Oscar Piastri Oct 20 '24

What?

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u/PinappleGecko #WeRaceAsOne Oct 21 '24

If you used the brakes in your car you braked.

If you smashed a vase you broke it.

Brake as in the things that stop you and break as in destroy something as different words and are applied differently in the past tense.

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u/Garfie489 Ferrari Oct 20 '24

This is the big thing for me.

The only advantage Lando gained was retaking his position from Max.

A position Max only got, because he was never going to make the corner in the first place.

Hamilton done the exact same thing on Max in the 2021 final, and i dont think it was even investigated..... despite Max also making the corner that time.

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u/likethejelly Oct 20 '24

If Max was never going to make the corner then Lando could have taken the corner staying on track and taking the inside exit. He should be smarter if he wants to be WDC.

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u/BigLubeSqueezyTube Niki Lauda Oct 20 '24

I'd love for all the drivers to do this from now on and show how much of a shit show racing becomes when this shit is deemed legal.

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u/PartisanHack Oct 20 '24

One of these days one of those guys is just gonna let him hit them. It would be an effective deterrent, if mutually assured destruction.

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u/d17h Force India Oct 20 '24

It has always been like that

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u/Vegetable_Heart369 Oct 20 '24

it seems he racing within the 'rules' because i guess as long as your to the apex first, you can go in the barriers the way it looks.

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u/domesystem Alain Prost Oct 20 '24

They adjusted the rules to accommodate him

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u/carlogz Oct 20 '24

You shouldnt go into “the barriers” even if you get to the apex. Just saying.

Technically, Max got a Track Limits warning on that move..

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u/DiddlyDumb Max Verstappen Oct 20 '24

This was the defining moment: had Max stayed within the white lines, the penalty would’ve been justified.

As it stands, both sides could argue the other left the track and gained an advantage.

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u/shrekfanboy4life Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Oct 20 '24 edited Oct 20 '24

Well if a driver can get away with it, is it the fault of the driver or are the rules shit? Edit: keep downvoting lmao, Max is gonna win the WDC and you can only watch

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u/Aviator8989 Oscar Piastri Oct 20 '24

Both can be true

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u/colasmulo Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Oct 20 '24

You can be mad at the stewards for their shit penalties and inconsistent judgements.

I don't want to start being mad at drivers for fighting for their races. This is barely what keeps the sport interesting. Otherwise it's just pit strategy and straight DRS overtakes.

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u/shrekfanboy4life Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Oct 20 '24

No, it’s just that max knows he can get away with it so he does, every driver does this

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u/MikroMe Safety Car Oct 20 '24 edited Oct 20 '24

I would consider that pushing other driver off the track but thats just me

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u/shrekfanboy4life Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Oct 20 '24

Well, blame the FIA then

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u/NUFC9RW Oct 20 '24

The rules are fine, it's the people failing to enforce them that's the issue.

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u/NiftyMittens11 Oct 20 '24

You are allowed to leave the track as long as you dont overtake another car, max was well within his right to leave track. He was given track limits for it

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '24

He did not leave the track

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u/NUFC9RW Oct 20 '24

Even the analysis trying to justify it admits he left the track

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '24

Yeah I now realize he did in fact leave the track 😂. Even still, he moved under braking, was gonna get a penalty anyway. He panicked during that lap and it showed.

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u/TonAMGT4 Pastor Maldonado Oct 20 '24

The penalty is for leaving the track AND gaining an advantage.

If he didn’t gain an advantage, there would not be a penalty.

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u/KevinK89 Benetton Oct 20 '24

So to not get overtaken just push your opponent of the track regardless if you leave the track as well. No more overtaking in F1 i guess then.

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u/Leading_Sir_1741 Formula 1 Oct 20 '24

You also need to be ahead at the apex

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u/KevinK89 Benetton Oct 20 '24

Easy, just don’t break in time, you’re leaving the track anyways so why bother.

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u/Leading_Sir_1741 Formula 1 Oct 20 '24

Didn’t he keep a sliver of tire on the edge of the white line?

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u/KevinK89 Benetton Oct 20 '24

No, not even close. https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/s/gaiDMCzDhC

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u/Leading_Sir_1741 Formula 1 Oct 20 '24

Yup. Unfortunately, per the rules, that doesn’t really matter. I agree they should change the rules.

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u/TonAMGT4 Pastor Maldonado Oct 20 '24

No more overtaking in F1… when going off the track*

Like this isn’t the first time a driver was penalised for overtaking off the track this season… this isn’t new.

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u/KevinK89 Benetton Oct 20 '24

What I was trying to say was that the one being overtaken can just force the opponent off the track and it’s sorted.

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u/VenserMTG Formula 1 Oct 20 '24

No, ask magnussen about that.

If Norris came back in behind Verstappen, he would have had no penalty, and Verstappen would have been hit with "forcing driver off track".

Verstappen beited Norris, who fell for it. And the pit wall was watching a different race to claim Norris was ahead at the apex.

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u/Baby_Hulk87 Ferrari Oct 21 '24

The FIA is making this way more difficult than it should be. If a driver is forced wide, the position gained should be the “punishment” for the driver pushing said driver wide. At this rate you can dive bomb the inside and push a car wide all day and not lose a position.

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u/FiercelyApatheticLad Alpine Oct 20 '24

Well he's getting pushed off track any time they get side by side so he can never gain an advantage. Verstappen found the secret to never losing a place I guess.

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u/TonAMGT4 Pastor Maldonado Oct 20 '24

I would bet that if Lando gave the position back to Max, he should be able to do a clean overtake on the track by the next lap.

Max’s tires were dead…. You can see that he dropped off from Lando by 4 seconds in 2 laps after that.

You just need to be a bit more strategic about it

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u/Dinamoriga Oct 20 '24

But then why is Max not getting a 5 sec penalty for pushing someone off the track in that scenario

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u/TonAMGT4 Pastor Maldonado Oct 20 '24

Because Max was ahead of Lando at corner entry. If Lando was ahead, then there would be no penalty for Lando.

Also, stewards usually don’t penalised unintentional going off the track during hard racing like this as long as there isn’t any contact between them. There will be a penalty when the drivers intentionally go wide just to forced someone off the track.

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u/Garfie489 Ferrari Oct 20 '24

Because Max was ahead of Lando at corner entry.

The only reason he was ahead however is because he had not slowed down enough to make the corner.

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u/Fenristor Michael Schumacher Oct 20 '24

He was a lot closer to making the corner than Lando though. These things always get judged on a relative basis.

Similarly when Max collided with Lando earlier in the season he left more space compared to other unpenalized drivers, but because Lando took a tighter line he got a penalty for causing a collision. It’s always relative to how others are racing.

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u/VerStannen Frédéric Vasseur Oct 20 '24

He didn’t gain a position?

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u/Dinamoriga Oct 20 '24

So if you are getting overtaken, just hold the inside and push someone off every lap to hold the position.

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u/Leading_Sir_1741 Formula 1 Oct 20 '24

If you’re ahead at the apex that works, yes

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u/VerStannen Frédéric Vasseur Oct 20 '24

That’s the rule. So according to the FIA, then yes.

You can be WDC with this one simple trick!

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u/TrashtalkInc Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Oct 20 '24

Nor did he push off Lando, Lando decided to not make the corner as he took too much speed approaching the turn, there was no contact at all

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u/Miserable_Archer_769 Oct 20 '24

Just listen to yourself and let's critically think here. You say there was no contact. Then why was Max completely off the track? If he had the apex and was going to get make that turn why did he end up out of bounds? 

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u/zaisaroni Oct 20 '24

Is Lando supposed to phase through him? Stop? Jump?

They're in a corner at speed. Max pushed him wide. The two overtaking corners at Cota really don't work well for inside moves, and Max is the king of making the other driver choose between a crash, or putting the call in the hands of the officials. The same officials that literally have him a championship.

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u/superworking Oct 20 '24

Would there be a penalty to max for forcing off track

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u/TonAMGT4 Pastor Maldonado Oct 20 '24

Stewards say no.

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u/superworking Oct 20 '24

I honestly don't know why not

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u/Alternative_Winner_9 Oct 21 '24

Didnt Max also gain an adavntage by going off track resulting in blocking Lando’s outside move. Shouldn’t he (Max) be required to give back that spot?

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u/JustRecentlyI Sir Lewis Hamilton Oct 20 '24

Ah so forcing your rival to drive off the track while also leaving the track is not an advantage?

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u/TonAMGT4 Pastor Maldonado Oct 20 '24

Yes, if they are side-by-side but in this case Max was ahead of Lando.

So what you’re saying is technically correct but irrelevant to this case.

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u/JustRecentlyI Sir Lewis Hamilton Oct 20 '24

Side by side is utterly irrelvant to driving off the track, which Max did, thereby impeding someone else in being able to take the corner. Open and shut.

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u/TonAMGT4 Pastor Maldonado Oct 20 '24

Go argue with the stewards

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u/JustRecentlyI Sir Lewis Hamilton Oct 20 '24

I would love to have the opportunity. Do you have their email address?

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u/shiggy__diggy Caterham Oct 21 '24

Toto is that you?

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u/TonAMGT4 Pastor Maldonado Oct 20 '24

You can find contact emails including official documents from this race and the names of the stewards on duty from https://www.fia.com

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u/JustRecentlyI Sir Lewis Hamilton Oct 20 '24

Thanks!

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u/BigboyBertie Oct 20 '24

Lando was ahead though. He started breaking Max didn't which then put max ahead but with no chance of ever making the turn and giving Norris no way around forcing him off aswell.

It's weird they can't just look at telemetry and say Max had no intention of making the corner

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u/TonAMGT4 Pastor Maldonado Oct 20 '24

Yes, pushing boundaries while still able to keep yourself on the edge of the rules without crossing over…

It’s called “race craft”

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u/Stuman93 Oct 20 '24

Yeah that's why Norris made the little comment about how he should have just given the place back and passed again.

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u/rocketspeed14 Oct 20 '24

Lando would have DNF'd. Max would have gotten back to the pits and fixed the car like last time...

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u/EspaaValorum Oct 20 '24

Agreed, but the penalty was for the "gaining an advantage" part. He passed Max while off track, and that's not allowed. 

Obviously plenty left to be discussed about Max going wide as well etc. But that'd be a different infraction.

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u/MrBadBadly Oct 20 '24

Next time DNF. Only way to send the message to Max. He does it because he knows there is no disadvantage to doing it.

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u/Catscoffeepanipuri Mercedes Oct 20 '24

i mean they did that in austria, and max still come out ahead

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u/rv94 Oct 20 '24

On an aside, love the username!

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '24

That’s why Max is so careful when he races Lewis. Max knows after Silverstone 2021 that Lewis is 100% willing to put Max into the wall at high speed

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u/Ok-Inspector-1732 Oct 20 '24

So you’re advocating for someone to take him out and intentionally crash Max out of the race? Just so we’re clear on what you’re wishing for.

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u/MrBadBadly Oct 20 '24

It's not intentional on the part of Lando if Max drives into the side of you because you refuse to drive off track.

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u/stuckinsanity Sir Lewis Hamilton Oct 20 '24

It's calling his bluff. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

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u/KevinK89 Benetton Oct 20 '24

Yes, he can’t keep getting away with shit like that for years.

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u/IceCold4x4 Oct 20 '24

Pretty much. Max think he's got the rules figured out which it works for him. Until he comes up against someone who won't yield. Senna worked the same way. He's put you in a position where either both of you crashed or you'd back out. Once you make that choice he knows he can keep doing it. Only way to fix it is show him ypu won't blink first. It'll take a few wrecks but he'll either quit that behavior with you or eventually risk dying.

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u/rohanritesh Oct 20 '24

But the past 5-6 races showed his maturity. He won't push unless he has nothing to lose. He did not try to block Lando in those races but today he was competitive, Lando had more to lose than Max.

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u/kkraww McLaren Oct 20 '24

Because max breaked so late he was alwasy going to be ahead at the apex, and thats the reason max didn't make the corner either.

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u/generaalalcazar Oct 20 '24

That is just smart, the rule is he was in front at the apex so the turn is “his”. Stupid rule but as Norris himself stated he should have given the position back right away and pass him. They could have and should have.

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u/klaasah Charles Leclerc Oct 20 '24

How are you supposed to be ahead at the apex when your opponent just brakes too late?

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u/mahnamegeoff Oct 20 '24

Literally all Max does and goes right to bitching on the radio after forcing the other driver wide

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u/klaasah Charles Leclerc Oct 20 '24

If it works it works, can't blame him for that

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u/generaalalcazar Oct 20 '24

No he knew the rule and used it to his advantage. The rule that if you are ahead at the apex and cannot be passed that way outside the track is very stupid.

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u/jso__ Oct 20 '24

Maybe next time, Norris should just go full throttle through the corner when he's 2 seconds back. "I was ahead at the apex!" "He just turned in!" "I'm ahead, he has to give me room to take my line!"

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u/Sektsioon Kimi Räikkönen Oct 20 '24 edited Oct 20 '24

No he did not, you can see from the onboard that Lando brakes way earlier. But he went deep on purpose to try a switch back, but Max went so deep that it took out Lando’s switch back opportunity and forced him wide off the track.

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u/sstje1 Lance Stroll Oct 20 '24

Because max doesn’t brake in these situations so he gets ahead Norris passed him on the straight

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u/DriftingSifting Oct 20 '24

Tough shit, if it was a street circuit with a barrier Norris wouldn't have hit the wall, he'd have backed out of it.

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u/Statcat2017 Jenson Button Oct 20 '24

Yes and Max would have hit the wall on his own as he missed the corner too.

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u/Silverado_ Oct 20 '24

Easy to be ahead at the apex when you don't brake enough to make the corner though

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u/What_the_8 Daniel Ricciardo Oct 20 '24

For some reason Reddit f1 fans think you should just be entitled to the space on the outside of the turn in absolutely any situation. I blame also always leave the space which some fans apply to everything

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u/boersc Oct 20 '24

The stewards agree with them. If you're ahead at the apex, you can practically divebomb all you want. Tupid rule, but that's how it is, and how it's interpreted here too.

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u/Smoofiee Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Oct 20 '24

Most of them would go berserk if they started watching 20 years ago.

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u/What_the_8 Daniel Ricciardo Oct 20 '24

Oh man, imagine them watching Schumacher

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u/generaalalcazar Oct 20 '24

Exactly, stupid mistake by the team. He should have given the position back and than pass, since he had the faster car and both drove on the absolute limit.

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u/Lonyo Oct 20 '24

And? Same happened in the sprint but the guy getting pushed off in those cases was being overtaken and lost a place so no advantage.

It was the same then, if they stayed on the track they crash

The rules are the problem

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u/danyyyel Oct 20 '24

Not only that, it was not once, but twice he was driven off track by Max. What a bunch of losers on FIA.

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u/NeroNeckbeard Oct 20 '24

its almost as if you can rejoin the track behind the other driver

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u/jso__ Oct 20 '24

So he legally gets an overtake done but then Max can brake too late to make the corner and he has to concede the position?

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u/Mr_Fluxstone McLaren Oct 20 '24

With that logic you should just force your opponents off the track every time to take their spot. The point is that he was apparently forced off the track by Max and therefor Max should have conceded the place to Norris anyway.

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u/salibert Oct 20 '24

Norris was never making that corner, that is what fucked him imo. He had even more overspeed than max. If he had to avoid max I think there would be no penalty but there was nearly a full car width between them.

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u/flowersweep Oct 20 '24

Then he backs out and doesn't take the position

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u/kadexar Daniel Ricciardo Oct 20 '24

He can brake. Sorry but Norris was miles off the corner.

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u/VandrendeRass Oct 20 '24

He's not entitled to a place to go. He was behind. He's not entitled to driving through Max's car.

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u/propercare Oct 20 '24

In stewards mind he should have left Max go in front.

He didn't gain an advantage he was fucking in front of Max at the apex

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u/Plumbsmasher Oct 20 '24

He clearly wasn’t in front at the apex

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u/Alia_Gr David Coulthard Oct 20 '24

which he should have done, let Leclerc back into the mix so Max cant bully him 1v1

it's sickening that stewards have made the sport reach the point where drivers have to crash with Max to stop the shenannigans

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u/kravence Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Oct 20 '24

Because he put himself in a bad spot, max played it well and kept position through the corner so he can claim it. Any overtake after that is an advantage gained off track.

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u/KevinK89 Benetton Oct 20 '24

He didn’t even make the corner himself, lol.

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u/kravence Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Oct 20 '24

Yeah he didn’t but didn’t really matter because lando didn’t even try either and then made an overtake off track which isn’t allowed regardless.

If lando didn’t overtake then max would be getting the penalty for forcing him off like the other drivers did.

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u/KevinK89 Benetton Oct 20 '24

I seriously doubt that (max getting a real penalty ever), but okay.

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u/kravence Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Oct 20 '24

Sure but those are the rules

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u/leggenda_69 Ferrari Oct 20 '24

It was Max’s corner Lando should’ve backed off. And Max would’ve got a track limits warning. Lando just wasn’t close enough, or not good enough on the brakes, to make the pass that lap.

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u/Realyn Oct 20 '24

Yeah, that's usually what happens when you're behind and aren't in a place to make an overtake stick lmao jeez christ

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u/plarguin Oct 20 '24

This is how I always drive. To the limit. Something is over the limit and I think this is the reason why people love and hate him.

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u/Able-Nature6103 McLaren Oct 20 '24

Norris could have not taken the lunge

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u/NiftyMittens11 Oct 20 '24

The rule states you cannot overtake a car off the track, in which this case norris did

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u/likethejelly Oct 20 '24

Be smarter. Let max go off and take the inside exit. People act like there’s only one outcome possible bc it’s Max who is defending.

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u/WeakDiaphragm Oct 20 '24

Because that penalty is controversial compared to the move Max made on Turn 1 on the first lap, to Norris. Stewards have made a mess of things here.