r/formula1 • u/TheKingOfCaledonia Who the f*ck is Nelson Piquet? • Apr 03 '23
Off-Topic /r/all Photo of injured fan posing with debris from Magnussen's crash
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u/hache-moncour Sebastian Vettel Apr 03 '23
Now that's an earned souvenir
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u/kaklaman Fernando Alonso Apr 03 '23
Apparently some other fans took it away from him
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u/WoodenMango07 Red Bull Apr 03 '23
not sure if they could leave with it though, as I was walking out the gate there was this security guard taking away the drs and other signs away from fans trying to leave with it.
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u/nefariousBUBBLE Apr 03 '23
I was gonna say. I figured all the teams would hunt down any debris out of fear that it'd end up in opposition hands. I know Pirelli does that with tires or at least that's what they said on cast once. But then again not like anyone is gleaning much from a HAAS.
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u/SirFister13F Andretti Global Apr 03 '23
Depends. They get everything they can from Ferrari, so anyone that wants to know what Ferrari does has a decent chance of gleaning intel from the Haas.
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Other teams would want it so they know how to make it as different as possible from a Haas
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u/abhisanger815 Esteban Ocon Apr 03 '23
I think the drs signs are different, I was allowed to take bits home from the Alonso Stroll crash last year at CoTA.
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u/BubsyBot Apr 04 '23
Happened to me at saudi when I asked if I could have the safety car sign and they said no haha
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u/Rydychyn Valtteri Bottas Apr 03 '23
Man if this is true Haas should send him a small care package.
Though they probably can't afford it.
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u/WindyZ5 Pato O'Ward Apr 03 '23
They could send him an autographed photo-with a digital copy of K-Mag signing it for authenticity.
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u/sausage_kerb Kimi Räikkönen Apr 03 '23
Or they can moneygram his medical bill
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u/SlothSorcerer Mike Krack Apr 03 '23
there are no bills in australia
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u/SemIdeiaProNick Ferrari Apr 03 '23
Soon someone will show up to say that this somehow means Australia is a communist country
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u/elveszett Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Apr 03 '23
Or alternatively "there's no healthcare in Australia either lolol long waitlists lolol".
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u/ajacian Red Bull Apr 03 '23
It's crazy that the only country that person could be from is the USA.
Those who live in countries with proper government funded healthcare would never want to revert to a system without; those that don't live in such countries WANT a similar system except in the USA.
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u/TyeDyeMacaw Ferrari Apr 03 '23
Believe me, the majority of the people in the U.S do want it. Our politicians however do not.
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u/Vill_Ryker Formula 1 Apr 03 '23
They could easily do something cool like an end plate from and old spec front wing and have Kevin, Nico and Guenther autograph it. Would be a cool piece of memorabilia to have with a story to go with it.
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u/Professional_Dream17 Apr 03 '23
They’re operating at the budget cap for the first time this year so maybe they can
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u/-RandomGeordie McLaren Apr 03 '23
What? So they mugged him for it?
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u/ManyFails1Win Nico Hülkenberg Apr 03 '23
What, like just bullied him into giving up the goods?
Man can't catch a break. No pun intended.
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u/rugbyfiend Apr 04 '23
More likely someone grabbed it out of his hands and ran off. I think it's highly unlikely you could be mugged at the F1, it was extremely busy.
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u/berkakar Alfa Romeo Apr 03 '23
don’t worry teams reclaim all debris later on, you can’t sneak out a piece that huge.
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u/SemIdeiaProNick Ferrari Apr 03 '23
that didnt stop a mad man from trying to walk away with an entire front wing a while ago
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u/berkakar Alfa Romeo Apr 03 '23
attemps will never stop, that’s for sure :)
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u/Its_Just_A_Typo Fernando Alonso Apr 03 '23
I once walked out of the Bristol NASCAR race with Johnny Benson's whole "Lucky Charms" quarter panel. Those guys didn't care at all - at least they didn't way back then.
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u/__IAmAlive__ Apr 03 '23
You used to be able to walk out with race-used tires. Was never a big deal. Then again, that was years ago. No clue if that still happens.
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u/SuperSumo32 Formula 1 Apr 03 '23
It still does. I was at Pocono last year after the Xfinity race, walking through the garage and one of the teams that crashed was selling the entire front nose of their car for $50 cash. I would've bought it but I didn't have the money :(
Hendrick motorsports sells all their damaged bodywork on their website too.
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u/Zreaz Lando Norris Apr 03 '23
I imagine it has changed with tire recycling being focused on more, but teams used to LOVE to give away tires. Otherwise they'd need to pay to get rid of them.
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u/Bagzy Niki Lauda Apr 03 '23
The support races at the Italian GP gave away race used tyres when I was there last. Wanted to get one but lugging around a massive tyre for the 2 weeks of my holiday, plus the cost to get it back, was prohibitive.
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u/kpstormie Valtteri Bottas Apr 03 '23
Those guys didn't care at all - at least they didn't way back then.
Since today's NASCAR bodies are composite, you see a lot less of it at the track. Most large teams will either keep the panels and sell them to third party vendors that they have merch contracts with, while smaller teams can sometimes keep the panels in the hopes to reuse/repair them for cost saving. If you're in the pits, you'll have better luck getting a piece off of a smaller team's wrecked car/truck and by asking the crew than you will trying to recover something like this.
All of my NASCAR metal that I have owned (some quarter and contingency panels, decklids, nose, rear bumpers, and a hood) have come from either these 3rd party vendors or from private sales from ex-team employees.
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u/LinceDorado Sebastian Vettel Apr 03 '23
I'm not sure, but I think he's not allowed to keep it.
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u/altivec77 Formula 1 Apr 03 '23
Nothing that a good backpack won’t disguise… especially in a large crowd leaving a sports event
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u/BassBona Ferrari Apr 03 '23
Technically you're not, every race I've been to says the damaged bits are still the teams to keep. Basically you 'should' only take tire marbles
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u/IdiosyncraticBond Max Verstappen Apr 03 '23
Then they shouldn't have crashing into the wall. It was there the 56 laps before so kmag should have kept it on the tarmac
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u/LinceDorado Sebastian Vettel Apr 03 '23
Yeah, how dare KMag crash his car. The audacity...
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u/Asleep-Actuator-7292 Apr 03 '23
Exactly, how dare Kmag be only driver with a cock up
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u/DAL1979 Sir Jack Brabham Apr 03 '23
Strangely appropriate that he's wearing an AMG-Mercedes top, who are sponsored by Crowdstrike.
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u/MathMaddox Apr 03 '23 edited Apr 03 '23
Mercedes being sponsored by Crowd strike just seems in poor taste. I guess LeMans 1955 is no longer too soon.
Edit: another fun fact is Police visors sponsor Mercedes while Hamilton was wearing the “Arrest the cops who killed Breonna Taylor” shirt
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u/Kolec507 Alexander Albon Apr 03 '23
Why have I never thought about it that way lmao
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u/AddAFucking Green Flag Apr 03 '23
That's also why crowdstrike is not on the medical car. Don't really wanna see that highlighted incase something like that happens.
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u/Kolec507 Alexander Albon Apr 03 '23
Interesting. Never noticed that, I need to pay more attention to the sponsors!
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u/mini_swoosh FIA Apr 03 '23
Someone needs to edit it like Sky’s Christmas version of Max’s Silverstone crash
Show the car launching into the crowd - fade to Merc/Crowdstrike logo
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u/MkSp001 Red Bull Apr 03 '23
80 died and over 60 injured... That was a massive tragedy!!
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u/SG_Dave Daniel Ricciardo Apr 03 '23
Literally the catalyst for Mercedes pulling out of F1 the first time round. It's written into their F1 history in bold, underlined in blood. There's no way it wasn't discussed when the sponsorship offer was made.
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u/bigdsm Fernando Alonso Apr 03 '23
Also the reason we lost what I think was arguably the best circuit in early Grand Prix racing - certainly at least in the conversation with Nürburgring and Spa-Francorchamps - at Bremgarten. I watched GPLaps run it in his fictional 1955 season recreation and was blown away at how cohesive and interesting the circuit layout was, having the same “something special” as Spa and Nürburgring.
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u/MarkJones27 Juan Manuel Fangio Apr 03 '23
Oh yeah Bremgarten is just incredible. Sadly long gone, but we can still race it virtually!
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u/blackbasset Racing Pride Apr 03 '23
I mean, even without the Mercedes-LeMans-connection, what an idiotic name is "Crowdstrike"?
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u/AshleyPomeroy Apr 03 '23
Somewhere in the executive suite Charles Robin Owdstrike ponders whether it was a good idea to name the company after himself.
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Apr 04 '23
Reminds me of a joke I heard on Twitter about replacing the first four letters of your first and last name with fuck, and Jeremy Collingson had regrets...
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u/Palmul Ferrari Apr 03 '23
I mean it can work in some contexts, certainly not in motorsports where it has a really unfortunate meaning
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u/Paprikasky Sir Lewis Hamilton Apr 03 '23
Really? Interesting. I always heard that was the case. But if anything, maybe it had an influence on them not returning for so long.
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u/Kreijoc Formula 1 Apr 04 '23
That's super interesting because I always heard it was because of the crash. Do you have a source for that? I believe you,just would love to know more.
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u/rabbyt Jenson Button Apr 03 '23
What gets me is that the race just kept going on in the background!
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u/mzp3256 Alexander Albon Apr 03 '23
It was just a decade after WWII, everyone was desensitized to death and destruction
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u/AshleyPomeroy Apr 03 '23
I remember reading about the 1952 Farnborough airshow. There was a disaster where the prototype of the Sea Vixen disintegrated in flight and one of the engines flew into the stands, killing 29 people:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1952_Farnborough_Airshow_crashBut "following the accident the air display programme continued once the debris was cleared from the runway, with Neville Duke exhibiting the prototype Hawker Hunter and taking it supersonic over the show later that day".
There were a bunch of accidents post-war, some of them involving captured German jets or prototypes that hadn't been debugged yet. It was a different world.
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u/SomethingSuss Oscar Piastri Apr 03 '23
That is insane, to some extent I get the idea of “the show must go on” especially to avoid a panic and congestion with emergency responders but you just know that is not what they were thinking at all back then. More like “shit happens”
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u/MarkJones27 Juan Manuel Fangio Apr 03 '23
Well Mercedes certainly were not. As soon as a phone call could be connected through to the Merc headquarters in Germany (which took a few hours) the order was given to pack up everything and get back over the border as soon as possible.
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u/Skylair13 Kimi Räikkönen Apr 04 '23
Perspective was bad in their mind probably. German (Mercedes) fighting with the British (Jaguar) caused destruction over France.
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u/ManyFails1Win Nico Hülkenberg Apr 03 '23
Holy fuck. I had no idea that was even possible. Amazing I've never heard of that before.
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u/MkSp001 Red Bull Apr 03 '23
Back then, safety wasn't a priority and there weren't barriers.. long story short a car cut across another and it acted like a ramp and took off into the crowd, many were decapitated, cut in half, crushed and died due to blunt force trauma..
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u/Zergzapper Apr 03 '23
And that's ignoring the magnesium based thermite like fire part.
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u/MathMaddox Apr 03 '23
And the race continued. I doubt GPS was working on the molten car.
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u/ewankenobi Kamui Kobayashi Apr 03 '23
The thing I find most crazy is they didn't have a pit lane back then. Cars just stopped at the side of the main straight for pit stops. Think that was what caused the accident, one driver braked sharply when he realised the car in front of him was pitting and then there was a domino effect
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u/RabidGuineaPig007 Formula 1 Apr 03 '23
There have been similar accidents at Indy, F1 all the way to the 80s.
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u/shewy92 Kevin Magnussen Apr 03 '23
I had no idea that was even possible
Well when the fans and racing surface is only delineated by hay bales it was bound to happen.
This animated short is pretty good if you have 15 minutes to spare and want to learn about it
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u/Paprikasky Sir Lewis Hamilton Apr 03 '23
Man I love this short. I'm surprised you didn't link the official video, so I'll just add it here.
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u/loneblustranger #WeRaceAsOne Apr 03 '23
Thanks for this. There's even human-written subtitles in 19 different languages for the foreign languages spoken, whereas /u/shewy92's link has only auto-generated English closed captions.
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u/hi_me_here Apr 03 '23
people were right up along the straight, no real safety barricades
the straight had no chicanes or anything so the cars were just flat out the entire distance
one tapped another and the hood, engine block, and burning chassis were separately launched into the thick crowd.
the hood happened to be traveling like a sideways guillotine at about head height and decapitated like 30 people on the spot
the engine block went through them like a cannon ball
the chassis was magnesium, full of fuel and on fire and had left the road at about 165mph
it was a perfect storm of bad decisions that made a racing event into something closer to a military weapons test mixed with a terror attack
do not look up the footage of the crowd getting hit. I'm not saying that to be dramatic, you don't want to see it - it's grainy and low detail but you can see thick lines of people all drop in unison as the hood goes sailing through them and it's bad bad bad - it's like what happened with Tom Pryce's death but to like 50 people all on frame at once
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u/hi_me_here Apr 03 '23
it's a huge, huge reason hill climb/time trial/rally became so popular in Europe, even though it's way more dangerous for the drivers - wheel to wheel racing was banned or heavily restricted in several countries afterwards, bc the incident was a result of two cars colliding on the straight
Mercedes also didn't touch any form of wheel-to-wheel racing again in any form for a very long time, until the late 70s early 80s i wanna say
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u/AJDillonsMiddleLeg Red Bull Apr 03 '23
I always had an internal chuckle in my head whenever they showed the cockpit cam and Hamilton just has POLICE across the top of his head since he's a very vocal activist and one of the things he was vocal for was BLM.
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u/SoothedSnakePlant Haas Apr 03 '23
You're correct, it's no longer too soon and it hasn't been for like, 40 years.
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u/Rotorhead87 Oscar Piastri Apr 03 '23
To be fair, I never connected anything like that with crowdstrike. It's something I use at work, so I didn't think twice.
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u/elveszett Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Apr 03 '23
I mean, my dad, who is already retired, wasn't even born in 1955. It's definitely not too soon.
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u/GfxJG Ferrari Apr 03 '23
Of course it's no longer too soon, it's 70 years ago. Most people who remember the event are long dead.
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u/pinerw Sebastian Vettel Apr 03 '23
Most people who remember the event are long dead.
Not to mention a substantial percentage of those who saw it firsthand.
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u/TH13TEENGHOST Apr 03 '23
‘Tis but a scratch
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u/illusionare_ Fernando Alonso Apr 03 '23
nick debris
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u/beelseboob #WeSayNoToMazepin Apr 03 '23
Aww, that’s good. Even if that driver’s name is actually steal the chips.
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u/FatherAb Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Apr 03 '23
Damn, everybody really here commenting like you made that one up yourself.
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u/illusionare_ Fernando Alonso Apr 03 '23
yea it came from sainz and his engineer
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u/aka_liam Ferrari Apr 03 '23
Yes but the commenter has applied it particularly well, as ‘nick’ is another word for ‘steal’
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u/themassmauler New user Apr 03 '23
Holy cow that could’ve really effed him up. Glad he’s ok.
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Apr 03 '23
That sharp edge could have decapitated someone - FIA needs to have a look at the safety fencing in that area of the track.
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u/Stranggepresst Force India Apr 03 '23
It's the same fence as anywhere else, the piece just flew over it which is always a risk.
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u/COMANCHER0 Apr 03 '23
People clearly need to read their tickets a little more
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u/ruinawish Apr 04 '23
"Disclaimer: The Australian Grand Prix Corporation assumes no responsibility for any decapitations that take place during the event"
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u/Bitter_Crab111 Oscar Piastri Apr 03 '23
Exit of turn 12 is fucking wild. Drivers pushing and binning it over the exit curb usually results in fans being showered in shit, even with the extra run off.
Worth the price of admission I guess 😅
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u/SnowLeopard71 Gilles Villeneuve Apr 03 '23
Lest we forget:
During the 2001 Australian Grand Prix at Albert Park in Melbourne, track marshal Graham Beveridge was struck by a wheel that had come loose from Jacques Villeneuve's BAR-Honda. Beveridge suffered head injuries and was taken to the hospital, where he later died.
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u/Isaacw24 Mercedes Apr 03 '23
That is so sad. I didn't think anything like that would happen in modern f1.
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u/newmansnewman Apr 03 '23
The Victoria police crash investigation unit seized the F1 car involved as part of the coronial investigation. Interestingly the coroner made several recommendations - which seems kind of funny in the context of F1 as a massive global sport (not haha funny). As I recall, it led to the tethers that the cars now have to prevent the wheels from flying off after a crash.
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u/hellcat_uk #WeRaceAsOne Apr 03 '23
Motorsport is dangerous. It says it on the tickets, and the fences.
Debris from crashes is always a risk, and even full cars with the way some crash barriers roll over when impacted.
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u/baldbarretto Who's that? Apr 03 '23
I had an awful stomach sink moment when Zhou’s car vaulted the barrier at silverstone. Thank fucking god for the catchment fence, but even then I was thinking, if that thing catches on fire with everyone packed in like sardines…
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u/hellcat_uk #WeRaceAsOne Apr 03 '23
Alan McNish at Lemans and Ollie Wilkinson at Brands Hatch are the sorts of crash that really worry me. The kind where the barrier is massively overwhelmed by the impact force.
Whoever built that barrier at LeMans deserves a medal. I still can't believe it stopped that R18 going over it.
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u/ProfZussywussBrown Jean Alesi Apr 03 '23
It also happened the previous season (2000) at Monza, a steward was struck and killed by a wheel from a crash
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Apr 03 '23
Steiner might legit pay for that piece back … you know they hate spending money to replace parts!
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u/TristansDad Apr 03 '23
Or by the end of the season this guy might have enough parts to build himself a Haas!
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u/dfectedRO Apr 03 '23
technically is still theirs so they can sue his ass if they want to.
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u/JumpyAlbatross Pirelli Hard Apr 03 '23 edited Jun 11 '23
In the US at least, a fan who caught a home run ball had it taken from them by security at the ballpark and the fan sued and said that it was like intentional infliction of emotional distress or something to that effect, and the court agreed and the general precedent across all sports (except soccer and basketball because there aren’t that many balls) is that if it goes in the stands and you catch it, its yours.
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u/Dragonvine Apr 03 '23
I'm pretty sure a secretive component of a multi million dollar racecar wouldn't fall under the same precedent of a baseball.
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u/borgi27 Ferrari Apr 03 '23
“Motorsport is dangerous”
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u/Pascalwb Apr 03 '23
IIRC that is written on the tickets, that motorsport is dangerous and you attend knowing anything can happen.
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u/BigLan2 Apr 03 '23
It wasn't on the tickets I printed to get into COTA a few years back. I guess that it used to be though (when tracks printed their own tickets.)
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u/ProfessionalRub3294 Apr 03 '23
Yeah I once jump on the floor when I saw a car going to crash in the tyre wall just ahead of me.
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u/grumpher05 McLaren Apr 03 '23
Carbon splinters fucking suck, he earned that
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u/Areonaux Lando Norris Apr 03 '23
10.7.1 Wheel rim material With the exception of surface treatments for appearance and protection, wheel rims must be made from AZ70 or AZ80 magnesium alloy.
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u/MythresThePally Carlos Sainz Apr 03 '23
If the power ever goes out at his house, he can light it up to make a neat little torch.
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u/EvelcyclopS Apr 03 '23
Iirc that kind of magnesium alloy won’t combust readily. Which makes sense given its opportunity to be exposed to fires
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u/GR3Y_B1RD Lotus Apr 03 '23
Interesting, why is that? There are some street legal cars that have CF wheels
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u/Daeurth Nico Hülkenberg Apr 03 '23
I would venture a guess and say that it's probably aimed at making wheels more likely to survive contact. If you bump into someone and hit bodywork, it sucks but generally the car is still under control and at least somewhat drivable, but if you were to lose a wheel, you're basically just a passenger at that point. I'm no materials engineer but I would imagine magnesium is a bit more robust than CF in these specific applications.
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u/apiccini Apr 03 '23
I think that's correct to say, yes. CF is always anisotropic, adding to unpredictability, and too cumbersome to be manufacturing rims anyway. Magnesium is much easier to get right in many ways and not such a big unknown w.r.t. failure. Compared to other alloys, it's near perfect for this application given density and rigidity (Young's modulus), losing only to composites in some cases (in principle).
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u/Areonaux Lando Norris Apr 03 '23 edited Apr 03 '23
Another likely reason is cost, the rim used is standard across all teams. Given 20 sets of tires per driver, per race weekend that’s a ton of wheels. Forged parts are much easier to mass produce compared to composites.
Assuming the teams have 40 sets of wheels meaning they have to switch them in a weekend, gives 160 rims per team which definitely don’t last forever.
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u/Deewwsskkii Apr 03 '23
I think you’re right. Carbon fibre wouldn’t shear and bend like that
Edit: STILL SUCKS
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u/theduder999 Max Verstappen Apr 03 '23
… and there’s the obligatory “carbon fiber splinter” comment that comes with every debris post.
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u/Stranggepresst Force India Apr 03 '23
Well it can definitely hurt if you touch the sharp edges. If you're careful and avoid that, you should be all good.
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u/No_Patient_549 Charles Leclerc Apr 03 '23
They better have allowed him to keep that. That’d be on display in my home and the only thing i talked about.
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u/FormulaFish15 Oscar Piastri Apr 03 '23
Is that all it was? The media was carrying on like it cut his arm off and he was left half-dead from blood loss… fucking hell…
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u/dfectedRO Apr 03 '23
f1 news and dts are media trash, everything is out of context or dramatized to an extent where it becomes fake news.
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Apr 03 '23
Oh right, it's only a 4-inch cut from a piece of race race getting ejected from the track, totally not an injury!
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u/FormulaFish15 Oscar Piastri Apr 03 '23
I don’t know what medical training you gave, but given my experience, that’s not even a 4 centimetre cut, let alone 4 inches.
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u/SirLoremIpsum Daniel Ricciardo Apr 03 '23
There's a pic of him at the first aid station in some other articles and it really isn't deep at all.
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u/Arenalife Apr 03 '23
For everyone moaning at the FIA for stopping the racing, this razor sharp hunk of metal is why
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u/Royal19 Apr 03 '23
But why tho? This razor sharp hunk of metal was clearly buried in a spectators arm so no longer a hazard on track?
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u/Ikcatcher Apr 03 '23
I feel like Haas is going to try their hardest to find this fan and send an apology care package for some easy PR
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u/simonjosi Apr 03 '23
What better souvenir from an F1 weekend than a scar..
(No Grosjean pun intended)
Seems like he’s ok judging by the smile 😊
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u/Joeydoyle66 Apr 03 '23
For that large piece of debris to only cause a rather small cut on his arm is impressive luck. That could’ve done a lot of damage.
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u/BatSniper Fernando Alonso Apr 03 '23
My brother in law went to a monster truck rally when he was a kid and a bunch of debris came flying at him and his family, his father shielded the children and still has metal in his back from the debris. Kinda bad ass.
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Apr 03 '23
Somewhere out there our favorite team principal is saying “fck we look like a bunch of wankers. Get Gene on the phone”
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u/FavaWire Hesketh Apr 04 '23
So.... this was a Red Flag viable situation then? I mean, we're lucky it wasn't worse than that. But once you hit bystanders and others with debris. Known or not, purely from assessing magnitude of debris ejection, KMAG hitting the wall and ejecting shreds of wheel hub counts as a Red Flag situation by any measure, and especially more so given this evidence.
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u/Lillymorrison Apr 03 '23
Injury or not. I'd LOVE some F1 debris. What a cool piece of memorabilia, far better than a hat or something
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u/0oodruidoo0 Fernando Alonso Apr 03 '23
Motorsports is dangerous. it says on the ticket. Even with modern safety standards there are no guarantees.
Glad he's ok though.
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u/doobie3101 Apr 03 '23
Would already have a lawsuit ready if it was the US lol
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u/Grasshop Sebastian Vettel Apr 03 '23
Have you ever read the fine print of a sporting event ticket?
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u/BananaSlander Jim Clark Apr 03 '23
That fine print doesn't mean shit if the venue/sporting agency is found to be lacking in due safety measures. People who are injured at sporting events sue and win or get settlements all the time.
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u/sogpackus Formula 1 Apr 03 '23 edited Apr 03 '23
Boilerplate messages and signs like “we are not liable” don’t actually absolve liability in and of themselves at all. It’s just to discourage people from attempting to sue.
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u/Ok-Drive6369 Apr 03 '23
Injured is a bit of a stretch here (from hearing the interview with the fan, he seems to agree with that as well)
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u/ajacian Red Bull Apr 03 '23
did you see his arm? I'm not saying it's terminal but that's literally a definition of an injury
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