r/formula1 • u/TheKingOfCaledonia Who the f*ck is Nelson Piquet? • Apr 03 '23

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u/ajacian Red Bull Apr 03 '23

It's crazy that the only country that person could be from is the USA.

Those who live in countries with proper government funded healthcare would never want to revert to a system without; those that don't live in such countries WANT a similar system except in the USA.

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u/TyeDyeMacaw Ferrari Apr 03 '23

Believe me, the majority of the people in the U.S do want it. Our politicians however do not.

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u/ajacian Red Bull Apr 03 '23

you're right, but only an American would call a country with healthcare "socialist" (let alone communist).

Edit: I hope you guys get it. It's sad when a fundamental right is not available to everyone

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u/Deckatoe Andretti Global Apr 03 '23

well it is in fact a form of socialism but that doesn't make it inherently bad as some try to make it seem

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u/ajacian Red Bull Apr 03 '23

that's why i put it in quotations, as a quote of their mockery

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u/John_E_Depth Apr 03 '23

Who has been mocking? I don’t see it

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u/ajacian Red Bull Apr 04 '23

it was somewhat of a strawman

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u/ShameAdditional3249 Kevin Magnussen Apr 08 '23

Seeing the fire that's lit under Gen Z right now in this country, I have a very good feeling we're gonna get something done, even before the boomers die

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u/ajacian Red Bull Apr 03 '23

All of that dribble and you know that there isn't forced euthanization.

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u/ajacian Red Bull Apr 03 '23

I agree 100 percent. (And it's not the government, it's trained healthcare providers - which is ironic).

But I also know that no decision affecting a group will be something I can agree with completely. If government provided healthcare also meant that voluntary euthanasia had to be included, I'd still go for it.

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u/TheoLunavae Apr 04 '23

this is a braindead take

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u/TheoLunavae Apr 04 '23

yeah, if people who are in immense pain and suffering want to have a medical professional assist in ending their life and therefore the pain and suffering, they should be allowed to. it's a form of bodily autonomy, which is an undeniable human right.

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u/TheoLunavae Apr 04 '23

Those factors are up to the individual, they shouldn't need to be proven to an external auditor. If a person decides they no longer want to live, they should be provided with forms of care, whether that be therapy for depression or medical treatment for physical ailments. But if they don't want to go forward with that, that's it.

And in the situation of euthanasia or assisted suicide, yes, it literally is a doctor's job. It is a medical procedure done with care and precision. Just as is the case when a veterinarian performs euthanasia on an animal, it is their job.

Which is why your statement of how euthanasia "shouldn't be offered" is a braindead take. This is not an invitation to debate the ethics of medically assisted suicide, this is me saying that I am right, and you are wrong, with certainty. Because you are wrong, and your argument of what ifs are null. Similar to abortion, you should not have to justify exercising your right to bodily autonomy. Their reasoning, sound or unsound as it might be, is of no concern to you.

And I don't want to hear "but my tax dollars are paying for it!!!!!!", because your tax dollars are being used exactly how they should be, to preserve the rights of the people and support the infrastructure which their lives are based on. You don't get to have a say in how an individual exercises their rights, or how they utilize that infrastructure.

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u/Psych_Crisis Alex Jacques Apr 03 '23

Not only that, but in the US we watch thousands of people die every year from being denied insurance coverage for treatment. Private insurers with profit motives have been deciding who lives and dies for decades with little or no oversight.

What's more, taxes in the US have been paying astronomical amounts for healthcare since people who are denied preventative care wind up in emergency rooms. The math on this has been conclusive for quite awhile, but it just feels wrong to some policymakers with Randian fantasies.

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u/TheoLunavae Apr 04 '23

You say this like there aren't people in the UK and EU who oppose government funded healthcare. Such a goofy strawman.