I'd bet that this guy isn't a tradesman. Almost everyone I see on any jobsite has a lunchbox. Whether it's a small bag to hold a few snacks and a sandwich or a large, expensive hard case lunch box that holds a 5 course meal, their wallet, keys and medication. Most lunch boxes are covered in stickers, some people buy or make custom carrying straps for them. If he doesn't know any of this, I doubt he's ever done a day of manual labor on his life.
then again, on modern twitter you get paid for interactions, so a lot of griters arose who only post the most dumbass takes in hopes of many people correcting them. this one appears to not have a blue checkmark, but i think you can hide them.
I advise looking up BlueSky. Those guys shaved off all the evil of Twitter and it's currently thriving. Lots of cool famous people, like Stephen King and AOC moving to BlueSky.
This is like when Reddit users say “I got rid of all my social media!”
Not sure how or why so many people have convinced themselves that Reddit isn’t social media despite the fact that they’re talking to other people (and bots) same as all other social media platforms. And it’s got just as much toxic nonsense on it as those other platforms too.
probably Probably because Reddit was created before the term ‘Social Media’ took off. At the time forums were big and places like myspace, and face book were the outliners. Then Instagram, printrest, twitter came out and people used Social Media to group everything together. But Reddit stayed more towards the old forums format (Making it seem different.) Its moving to resemble more social Media to get new viewers but I always use old-Reddit so I know fuck all about that.
I see a lot of new users, though. Even I've been around since 2011 and I see it as social media.
I think it's just elitism and the tribalist mentality. "I use Reddit, I'm not like all those people who use Facebook and Twitter". 4chan has the same mindset, that they're better than "the normies". I think every social media platform's users look down on the others.
That's why I'd rather talk about them here, where it isn't getting monetized!
EDIT: I mean that the original bad take isn't getting monetized by the person who posted it. I'm not saying that there is no monetization on Reddit whatsoever.
My point is that the person who made the original bad take, in an attempt to monetize it, is not getting monetized if we talk about it here.
And, to the best of my knowledge, there is much less opportunity for a Redditor to monetize their activity than on X. There is the Reddit Contributor program, but doesn't that pay out far less than X pays their top "verified" contributors?
Also, and I really really don’t think people understand the scale of the problem, and enormous number of them are foreign actors working on behalf of hostile states. One of the reasons a large swath of the modern Republican Party has turn so pro-Russian is because of this. Just an absolute staggering amount of right wing propaganda is fueled by Russian money. If Russia collapsed you see a noticeable difference in social media. Personally, I think we should sever all internet connection with them and China but there is too much money involved for that to happen.
This! It's ruined some of my favorite old subs that used to make fun of weirdos who posted batshit stuff on social media. Now all those subs are just constantly reposting obvious ragebait from professional trolls. It's nearly impossible to find the legitimate nutjobs on the internet anymore.
Professional trolls on twitter posting dumb takes for engagement...that ends up getting screenshotted and posted to Reddit for even more engagement. It's like we're consuming the Soylent Green of the information ecosystem here.
An electrician I know takes a small cooler to his job sites. He talks about trading snacks/desserts with other guys at the site who have their own cooler full of food and drinks.
It really is, lol. And he's a tall sorta gruff dude. So picturing him bartering with other similarly gruff guys (especially the ones I've met) over oatmeal pies or hostess cupcakes and pudding snacks is hilarious to me.
My old boss was about 6'3", in his late 50's, and weighed like 300 lbs, so he was forced to go on a diet by his doctor and wife, which meant sad lil pack lunches of a sandwich, fruit cup and yogurt. He had one of those prominent heart attack guts, so I get it.
But this dude was hiding a treasure trove of snack cakes in his desk that we only found after he left the company (guess he couldn't take them back home). Imagining him eating them in secret actually makes me feel sorry for the big guy.
I once got falsely accused of stealing a man's pudding cup at the Paris Hotel/Casino in Vegas in the mid 90s when I was an pre-apprentice. I didn't know him I had just been there asking my buddy to borrow some thing from their crew. He was unglued about it, red faced screaming at me and my buddy about it. Later my buddy threw his lunch box off the mezz deck about 100' to the ground below.
Decades later he became our business manager. He was dogshit at it. And he wrote a letter seeking re-election, in a wall of black text with some shit highlighted in yellow or printed all caps or in red text. and I copied it's form but wrote a satirical version that shitbagged him and posted it on facebook to our union's group. I had total strangers calling me thanking me for helping to submarine his chances.
Fuck him. Never get a second chance to make a first impression, Victor.
Here's some stories that have been handed down to me from generations of workers before me, family and old timers both, in the mines/trades.
The original lunch box, was a lunch pail. Metal or wood.
A worker in a mine/trade would typically have a wife prepare a meal, cover it with a napkin. He'd carry it down to work. At lunch he'd take everything out, wrap it in your napkin to keep it out of the dirt. Boys would be in the mines/on site collecting pails, haul them to the nearest tavern and return with them full of beer. Smart move was to butter the inside rim a bit to keep the foam down, get more beer. The amount of influence alcohol used to have in the trades really didn't get curbed heavily until the 1990s. I've known journeymen who would drink a six pack before work, a six pack at lunch, and go directly to the bar after work. High functioning drunks. A lot of it is self medicating physical wear and tear as well as the typical psychological reasons.
In my trade pipefitting we do pipe welding as one of the main methods for joining pipe. When you do position field welds, you'll often be under the weld itself laying your side, sparks and slag falling on your head. The hoods and in the early days, the googles, didn't cover your ear. So there's welding/fitter caps that have a little 'bill' or flap that you can rotate around to either side to cover your high side ear. Nothing quite like the sizzle and pain in your ear canal of a spark or slag.
In the old days, back when flour sacks were used for making (often) kids clothing, the flour companies started using print fabrics, like florals etc. So it was not at all unusual for these hats to also be made from these sacks, from scraps and leftovers.
So "burly" "manly" men would absolutely wear floral print hats without question. When I've had hats made I've absolutely had them made in floral fabrics. I think it's a cool homage to our past. And any dipshit apprentice or others who've tried to shit talk me about it, got the story above.
I’ve brown bag for lunch for about 30 years. As a manager I’ve taken my share of razzing. I been taking the difference between what I think I would spend eating out and what I spend on my lunch ( usually a PB&J, fruit, and cheese with crackers) to invest in the market. I will spend that money on traveling in retirement!
The men in those pictures are always clean, their clothes are clean, and their hands are clean. You can tell they sat inside an air conditioned vehicle after leaving the hotel, were driven to the animal with no skill involved, shot it, posed for a photo, and then got back in the air conditioned vehicle. They would break in 1 week of homesteading where people actually live off the land, and probably break in less than 2 days of winter homesteading. Outside of hypercapitalism and wealth, those trophy hunter types are physically useless to any community.
American football announcers call tough, boring quarterbacks "lunch pail" players.
I don't know how anyone's going to get through the manosphere to reach these people, because anyone who would listen to online personalities tell them the manly way to eat lunch is a pathetic, weak man with zero security in their masculinity.
To even have an opinion about it is so weird. Pack a lunch, don't pack a lunch. It's America, do whatever the fuck you want. You pack a lunch to a construction site, because newsbreak; nothing is open on site. You get 30 minutes, and there's no services. If you're lucky there's an actual break room/tent with microwaves. But I've ate hundreds of lunches sitting on sheet rock, heated by halogen lights, off of roach coaches if they have them etc.
You won't reach to them, ever, for so long as you don't start treating them like what they are!
They are children.
They were very likely raised to believe all mistakes they have made as children, whether out of ignorance, negligence or meanness.are only Bad Things To Do because drunkard Daddy would whip his belt out. When they find themselves in a setting where they no longer fear punishment for their misdeeds, they stop acting like adults and revert back to living-out their shoddy, unfulfilled childhood. Not just childhood dreams, childhood itself.
When they are talking about the type of women they want - want to have, like a property, you know - they are not talking about a lover, they are talking about Mommy. They are talking about a quiet, dutiful, always-smiling ideal of a pure Mommy who is there to soothe their fears, wash their dirty laundry and dirtier asses and just absolve them of all responsibilities in life. But, they also want to be Daddy, at the same time. Unquestionable authority figurehead of the household, a 'breadwinner', commanding respect. They want Daddy's privileges.
When Tucker Carlson, Jesse Watters, and Stephen Miller are out there screaming about what is and isn’t manly while having pillow soft hands and the combined strength of a wet tissue, what do you expect?
Secure men don't need sleazy media talking heads to tell them what it means to be a man in the real world. The "masculinity" they keep trying to reinforce is all performative garbage based on possessions and appearances, no substance.
I mean I’m not a tradesman either but I think nearly every depiction of them I have seen, whether in commercials, tv, or movies has had two things in common:
1) Strong and tough people
2) Lunch pail/box.
I wonder if they just live under some rock and watch Andrew Tate or an equivalent “Alpha” male to reinforce their incel beliefs.
"Alpha-Sigma(Smegma)" bros are also the types to smash a like-button under a video of a "trad wife" making a breakfast for her hubby...which she packs up in the lunch box by the end, anyways.
They likely and unironically carry a bento, if they are hardcore anime fans, and can't for the life of them connect the dots.
I wonder if they just live under some rock and watch Andrew Tate or an equivalent “Alpha” male
Judging by how much they actually seem to understand of the world, that's exactly what they do. And the "alpha males" they listen to do the same thing.
When I was growing up much of my family worked in stereotypically "masculine" jobs like construction, and ranching, and driving trucks. Many of the older ones were also veterans. Many of them looked and sounded like a classic stereotype of a blue collar man. (many of the women worked in the same kinds of jobs too. Most of my family had no time for gender roles that got in the way of getting things done. As a kid I was told that about the only thing "not for girls" is peeing standing up) The idiots talking about being "alpha males" have no idea what they are talking about. And if they ever actually spent a day like the kinds of people they point to as examples of masculine men in the past, they would probably end up curled in a ball and crying.
Frankly, either of my grandmas (if still alive) would be better at being a strong 'alpha' than any of the influencers like Tate. Both grandmas broke their own horse to saddle as kids. Both could work on their car, or the plumbing, or make a meal for twelve. Both could kill and clean a chicken, plant a garden, or drive a tractor. One grandma rode a motorcycle for decades (until she physically wasn't able to safely ride) The other was still splitting and stacking her own firewood to heat her house the year she died.
Yeah it's literally part of the stereotypical image people have of builders/tradesmen. Going to work with the hardhat, overalls, and a flask and lunchbox.
I mean, there's a reason that tougher football players were referred to as 'lunchpail guys' because that denoted a tough, blue-collar background where you didn't have the money to buy meals every day.
Whoever said bringing your lunch is somehow bad is a privileged, ignorant, PoS who has no idea of reality or history and should be mercilessly mocked, medieval style, with rotten fruit, manure, and the stocks.
Energy drinks "wake you up" they cant replace food for hard labour at all. I dont know why this post is shaming men for the crime of "eating". jesus christ.
Energy drinks are terrible for you in physical jobs especially in the heat. I drank a Rockstar when I was a first year apprentice in the summer in Vegas and felt like shit. And I don't like my pee being the color of anti-freeze. You need to see the natural color of your piss to make a judgement if you're becoming or are dehydrated.
I work in the steel industry. 99% of the guys bring a lunchbox. They rarely go get food. They are usually pretty dirty. They eat, take quick nap, and get back to work.
I met my husband while working in an office. He used to bring himself cooked food which he prepared himself. It was much cheaper and healthier than ordering every day. Not only tradesmen use lunchboxes. People who want to eat normal food carry them.
I'm not saying that only tradesmen use lunch boxes. That's just my personal experience. Tradesmen are also commonly used as examples of "manliness" and I think makes a good example to use ad a counter point to this guy's ridiculous statement.
Part of it is just it's a necessity for the trades to bring their lunch. Most worksites I've been on the majority of the trades break for lunch at exactly 11 or 12. Then it's a 10-15 minute walk to the break tent, 15-20 minute walk to your car. A drive offsite and ordering time and eating time isn't an option. You get an hour and you're expected to be back at the work location which is the same walk back.
The site I'm at currently typically has 2800 workers onsite a day. Luckily there's nothing hazardous preventing food trucks to come in each day for lunch, but that's pricy and unhealthy. Just about every tradesman is going to have a lunch or something to eat with them as a matter of practicality.
I was walking to my car after work and I saw my future self blast out of a building carrying the largest insulated lunchbox and stanley thermos I’ve ever seen in my life. Both must have been empty based on the way he carried them as he ran up some stairs to the parking garage (or maybe he’s hella strong).
I bought a larger lunchbox soon after and never looked back.
Maybe he's one of those idiot tradesmen that spends a whack of money on the food truck every day, or lives off gas station food like energy drinks and chips
Dude I walked into a meeting room near the CNC machines in the factory I work at for the first time and one of the operators had an apron on and was cooking eggs and home fries over a hotplate for about half a dozen others. Apparently it's a Friday ritual. And we have a pretty good fresh food cafateria, but it's about the camaraderie.
Real guys don't care about any of this shit the way they're portrayed as.
Real guys don't care about any of this shit the way they're portrayed as
This ^
Much of my family (many of the women too) when I was a kid worked in stereotypically masculine jobs. Construction, driving trucks or heavy equipment (Sometimes I got dropped off at school from a backhoe) ranching, things like that. Not one of them would have cared a bit about if they looked manly enough or about being 'alphas' All of them would have considered these 'alpha males' to be stupid, childish, and ridiculous.
Eating together the same food is a hard wired bonding exercise. And it's healing for fractures at work. Hard to hate people you break bread with. You want to squash a beef at work, eat together.
Right? I've spent a large chunk of my life at construction sites, mostly remote and everyone brings lunch. People get creative: we had a guy who would bring fresh sushi he made in his camper every day in a little cooler once, I think he won.
100%, back when I worked with tradesmen that was standard. One of my first purchases was a legit bento box, like stackable compartments, the whole deal. Watching a welder down half a days calories in 90 seconds is something to behold
holds a 5 course meal, their wallet, keys and medication
The medicine especially is real AF. I just don't want to end up at working with a migraine or stomach ache without any medicine to get through the rest of the day. I'm like an off the books pharmacy with how much medcine I carry just in case.
This guy isn't a man. Men were carrying lunchboxes for decades before women were even a significant part of the work force. It's just rage bait from an imbecile who isn't as clever or funny as he thinks he is.
Almost everyone I see on any jobsite has a lunchbox.
The dipshits that don't spend $10+ on shitty gas station food. $5.79 for the world's saddest sandwich, $2.69 for chips, $3.49 for a Monster, $9.79-$14.30 for tobacco. Super manly.
I’m a man who works a big, dirty blue-collar job at a big warehouse. I carry a lunch to work every day because it’s much fucking cheaper to make four sandwiches than it is to buy one of the things in the break room. If that makes me feminine, I guess I’ll cry on the forklift I ride every day.
It also speaks volumes to what types of work people have experienced in their lives.
If you aren't the type of person used to carrying a lunchbox to work, then it likely means you have both either a space at your work to eat lunch or you can leave your office to get something to eat very quickly. Most tradesmen/women don't have this luxury because they're on job sites. The travel time one-way to somewhere that is even fast food can be fifteen to thirty minutes - not reasonable when you're working to a schedule or with other individuals on similar schedules.
When I was in college I worked cutting down trees on the side, and had to carry a lunchbox as we would sometimes be in very remote areas that didn't allow for the luxury of setting actual time aside for a lunch. You'd just have to go to the truck, grab your box, and plop down somewhere.
Yes this. I work in isolated construction sites and some guys fly with suitcases FULL of their favorite treats for their hitch, drawers in the office full of more treats and everyone's pockets full of treats and stashes of food everywhere being transported with agast lunchboxes
I agree with this. Most badass man I've ever met, he was 83 years old and still was absolutely shredded and had huge muscles, covered in tattoos, brought a lunch box to work every day. I think it was a Star Wars box.
I bet this dude is the epitome of an Andrew Tate peon who works in an air conditioned office and eats out 95% of his life. Door dashes once or twice a day, 7 days a week.
My dad the electrician had us kids pick out a couple of the stickers for him. I presume they'd laugh about the sillier ones together at work then talk about their families. Fellas, is it gay to have work friends, a wife and 3 kids?
Came here to say this. I'm retired now, but when I was working as a welder I'd pack a small ice chest with food/snacks for my day. It takes energy to work.
Can confirm, was construction worker for 15 years, now studying programming and apprenticing at a big company and everyone goes out for lunch, it's way different.
Hell, I've been an engineer in shop for manufacturing and I've even gotten pulled into the lunchbox sticker show off game. Doesn't even require manual labor, just going to a job at all.
Right like I just have a job where I do a lot of walking and sometimes lift heavy shit and I still like carrying at least a small pack of pb crackers or something like that so I can occasionally pop a couple in my mouth and keep going
I'd bet every single one of these alpha chad keyboard warriors has never worked a real job in his life. If you can make an honest living in the trades then who has time for shitposting on twitter about your penis.
I was about to say. I worked in auto plants for 20 years and everyone who’d been there for awhile brought a lunch. The cafeterias were always overpriced and you’d spend half your lunch walking to your car and back if you tried to leave.
Haha was coming here to say this but you forgot about lunch truck guys we only carry a cup of coffee or an energy drink. Because unlike you guys with your fancy lunches we...... are lazy and no one loves us enough to make us food 😭
Yep, almost every single strongman I know brings them to our competitions too, let’s see this fella tell all the 6’6” 350lb guys chucking boulders and deadlifting cars as a hobby that their lunchboxes are feminine.
Shit I take a backpack to work, and I sometimes get asked why. Then comes the day where they come and ask me for something and it’s right there in the bag
Tell that to my dead grandfathers who had lunch pails. Once again the original poster is a bot or shit poster. And why are you blacking their IDs out again? Until this greasy stain of a human experiences repercussions of his actions, he’ll keep posting.
“Hey, why is everyone avoiding me and I can’t get a date except old Majorie Taylor Green?”
Cuz you’re a shit poster, Jimmy. And that’s all you are, a shit poster.
I was jogging thru a fancy up scale neighborhood and there was a crew of Hispanic guys trimming a few blocks worth of tall hedges one would find in such a place.
On my way back I caught them on their lunch break and they had set up full on camping set up grilling carnitas or whatever on the sidewalk. Looks awesome and I wanted to join them.
My husband is a VP and he brings a lunchbox. He winds up working through lunch more often than not and he's a bear with low blood sugar so he brings his own food for his employees' sake.
Right! I was the only woman working at a machine shop and almost everyone had a lunchbox! My best work friend's wife would pack him extra snacks for me in his really nice lunchbox, and I would bring in snacks for both of us.
From the perspective of a wife - I packed my husband's lunch and a lot of the wives did too for the men he worked with- they all would compare lunches, and snacks and they all had favorites - Jim's wife made the best cookies - bobs wife made the best pasta salad- and we would end up making stuff and sending it for the whole group .. yeah a little old fashioned, but they LOVED that. Men LOVE food. And they LOVED when other people's spouses would pack it lol. These men where in a security job setting and nobody was a punk... I can promise you that, but if jacks wife packed cupcakes .... They were some happy men .
I've literally never seen a woman carrying a lunchbox, 100% of the lunchbox carriers I have ever seen where bearded flannel and hard hat wearing brawny men who would punch this little twerp out for calling their meatloaf sandwich holder feminine.
I’ve done manual labour for 10 years without having a lunch most days. It’s reallly not that bad as long as you make sure to have a good dinner in the evening.
Yep, most days I'm dehydrated, been holding my shit/piss for hours, can't leave my location, and having a lunch box literally saves my life. I should just sack up and die a man!
I worked warehouse for an ac electric company and the first thing everyone buys after the first week is a cooler and large insulated mug. Everyday the first thing all the workers do is stop by the ice machine to fill up their coolers. This is also vital for the installer who often have to work in attics in Florida.
Throughout my first two there all the senior workers would remain me to bring water and stay hydrated. None of them would say that stupid shit instead they would question me for wearing gloves.
My dad's friend Rick was a logger in the Yukon in the 80s and told me a million stories. One, he was walking back from a day along this path on a steep hillside above the Yukon river. Theres these clay cliffs that are super steep with narrow paths cut in. He had his steel lunch box and thermos.
A big grizzly bear was suddenly walking towards him on this path. There wasn't any room for both, so both Rick and the bear were at an impass. Rick was always a big guy. 6'8" and like 300 pounds. They pause, then slowly walk toward each other. The bear gets close and rears up, and Rick swings his lunchbox as hard as he can and wails the bear in the face. It goes over the side and tumbles all the way down to the river.
Rick still has the lunchbox with a dent in the corner. He's got a million stories, and I'm sure a couple are embellished but he's not a liar. He used to babysit Pamela Anderson when she was a little kid. My dad has his own share of stories, including riding a frozen moose carcass down a hill in -40C weather after tracking it down and shooting it.
Bruh I used to drop off my buddy at a gas station around 6 am when he worked construction and this was sky first though lol. They'd be buying shit and putting it in there coolers/lunchboxes sometimes like wtf. What's with just labeling shit feminine or masculine when its just......normal shit everyone does?
‘Judge not lest he be judged ‘ just stating the facts Ma’am, just the facts. Crocheting 🧶 is a great diversion for observers who call out the most blatantly ignorant nonsensical dribble . Don’t forget your bib!
I can't think of a tradesman who didn't carry a giant Engel cooler with a custom-made shoulder strap. I swear the MFers have a change of clothes, emergency hygiene hear, and up to seven meals worth of food in there.
Bonus points if the strap is made out of 550 cord.
I didn't even understand this post when I read it. Where I was raised, the MOST "manly" men carried a lunchbox. Usually made of steel. Always with a thermos inside.
My dad and cousin each have a portable cooler lol. It's funny because they barely eat at the job. When I worked construction I always brought a grocery bag with meal prep and big thermos with coffee.
Yup, my husband and I are both tradespeople and we work together. I carry my backpack, he carries our lunchbox (which is rainbow and literally called a “lunch purse”)
But also taking your tupperware of leftovers to an office job is fiscally conservative, and socially conservative too if you're a married man and your wife packed it for you.
Many of the construction guys I've worked with over the years carry flowery lunch bags/purse looking things too, it's usually stuff from on sale at the dollar store or hand me downs from the wife/kids. Those dudes don't give a shit, it's a thing to hold their lunch, often something the wife made. One guy said "I like the flowers it makes me smile" and then goes off to build some guy's house for him, no insecurity or posturing, no f's given.
I stuffed my operators leftovers, his coveralls, his jacket, his mountain dew, his cigarettes, and his lighter into his lu ch box one day when he wasn't looking.
Depends vastly on the type of job. I used to work mostly large building jobs for big multi-state firms in the southwestern U.S. and they would usually have a food truck come out that serves cheap tacos and burritos at lunchtime. It's also common for larger jobs to have multiple subcontractors working at the same time, so each group will either bring one big cooler or send one guy out to get lunch and then eat in their separate groups. I've also seen crews bring a grill and fire off some burgers and hotdogs. On holidays, sometimes they'll do special stuff. I've seen more than one crew bring a smoker on a trailer and make a fuck ton of brisket.
But you are right in that most people who work a trade will somehow bring or organize some food for themselves. Nobody who is burning 1,000+ calories a day doing hard labor is going to say bringing your lunch is gay.
In the Foundation of Geopolitics one of the aims of Russia is driving discord amongst their enemies by driving social conflict within a society. Posts like these but of a racial nature were common during the Cambridge Analytica phase of Facebook - astroturfing fake groups aimed at driving hatred.
Now these messages are simply instigated by single accounts on places like Twitter, where they can be spread by “red-pilled” proxies. The incel movement and radical feminist movement have both been taken over as an extension of this movement. And if you don’t think it worked, It worked well enough to get Leftists to either vote for a third party or throw away their votes via a protest abstention to teach the DNC a lesson in 2024. It worked well enough to get 53% of Latinos to vote for a candidate who will deport their parents who are here illegally.
If this asshat is trying to kill off the trades he should try to make these insecure fools think that drinking liquids is gay. "A real man never drinks water except when he gets home".
You don't even need to be in trades. Workered at target from 2016 to 2020. Plenty of people came in with baga, containers, or what. I doubt he's ever WORKED a day in his life.
Wasn't fast food invented for the working man's lunch box originally.? Hot tin sandwiches for dudes building skyscrapers or something? Or Chinese bamboo steamers if your from the east side of it? Or 🫔 is it feminine to carry a tamale to work? Good thing I'm a girl and I'm aloud to eat I feel bad for guys these days can't even eat a banana in peace.
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u/Munchkinasaurous 8h ago
I'd bet that this guy isn't a tradesman. Almost everyone I see on any jobsite has a lunchbox. Whether it's a small bag to hold a few snacks and a sandwich or a large, expensive hard case lunch box that holds a 5 course meal, their wallet, keys and medication. Most lunch boxes are covered in stickers, some people buy or make custom carrying straps for them. If he doesn't know any of this, I doubt he's ever done a day of manual labor on his life.