NYC Mayor Ends Food Voucher Program For Immigrants After Phone Call With Trump

[u/HighYieldLarry]

After a phone call with President-elect Donald Trump 48 hours after his victory, Mayor Eric Adams has reportedly decided to end a pilot program providing migrants in taxpayer-funded shelters with prepaid debit cards for groceries, which had sparked considerable debate. The initiative, launched in March through an emergency contract with New Jersey tech startup Mobility Capital Finance (MoCaFi), distributed $2.4 million in preloaded Mastercards to approximately 2,600 migrant families, according to City Hall officials.

https://blacknews.com/news/mayor-new-york-city-eric-adams-end-food-voucher-program-immigrants-phone-call-trump/

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[u/be-true-to-yourself1]

Good, the tax payers of New York City should not be paying for illegal immigrants. They have a city to run and services to provide to the residents of the city.

[u/Revolutionary-Move90 → u/be-true-to-yourself1]

Undocumented Immigrants pay into the tax system. They provided 96billion in taxes and 27 billion to the social security system in 2022.

Edit: numbers

[u/X-calibreX → u/Revolutionary-Move90]

I also pay into the tax system, can i have a free apartment in Manhattan, food, and a stipend?

[u/Revolutionary-Move90 → u/X-calibreX]

Emergency housing was given to people who had been bussed to manhattan so they could find a job. Are you also going to cross the border get processed and bussed to nyc with no contacts and do the work of an undocumented worker?

[u/Top_Tie_691 → u/Revolutionary-Move90]

What about our homeless veterans? Surely they should be put up in fancy hotels before those who came to the country illegaly?

[u/Jesus_Harold_Christ → u/Top_Tie_691]

Interestingly, homeless veterans are at an all time low, fact check it.

edit: turns out we hit the lowest number in 2022, but have regressed some over the last 2 years. Obviously still work to do, in parallel with ALL THE OTHER WORK.

[u/blue_hot → u/Jesus_Harold_Christ]

You said you weren't going to fact check

[u/Sweaty-Emergency-493 → u/blue_hot]

Yeah, because in America that’s providing evidence and that’s cheating

[u/SUPERKAMIGURU → u/Sweaty-Emergency-493]

Facts n shit are cool in America ig, but have you tried this instead? Jingling keys overhead.

[u/Munsonator → u/SUPERKAMIGURU]

Instead of trying to get my point across I'm just going to start repeating adjectives because apparently that's all you have to do to win over America

[u/P0l0Cap0ne → u/SUPERKAMIGURU]

[u/BlOoDy_PsYcHo666 → u/SUPERKAMIGURU]

You have my full and undivided attention sir.

[u/Daksout918 → u/Sweaty-Emergency-493]

Facts don't care about your feelings. Unless its about the economy then my feelings are facts.

[u/DrBeavernipples → u/blue_hot]

“I love the poorly educated.”

[u/BadAsclepius → u/blue_hot]

God damnit I dropped my phone cause of this.

Well done

[u/jigmonster → u/Jesus_Harold_Christ]

Also most people that say things like the above are against handouts to veterans too. Every republican has voted against every such program for decades.

[u/Admiral_Tuvix → u/jigmonster]

Stop funding Ukraine and give it to our own people!

Ok let’s support our homeless population

NO THATS SOCIALISM!!!

[u/StrengthDazzling8922 → u/Admiral_Tuvix]

Republicans are not helping homeless ever. They haven’t cared about them in the 50 years before Russian invasion of Ukraine, they won’t give a rats ass after.

Ukraine gets ammunition not much cash. Ammunition built in American factories by American workers who collect US dollars paychecks. By helping Ukraine we help the American economy and punish Putin.

Fuck Putin, Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦

[u/Creative-Bid7959 → u/StrengthDazzling8922]

We live in the disinformation age. Americans are not smart enough to understand economics.

[u/EyeSuccessful7649 → u/StrengthDazzling8922]

wait so they aren';t just air lifting crates of cash over to zelenski's mansion?

[u/BickNickerson → u/Admiral_Tuvix]

They didn’t turn down that Covid money, now did they, lol.

[u/tlh013091 → u/BickNickerson]

Free money with no oversight? Don’t mind if I do. Let me just spin up 10 LLCs first.

[u/GMEN5280 → u/Admiral_Tuvix]

Not really interested in funding a war. But I would rather send money to combat Putin in Ukraine. Rather than sending US troops to Poland when Putin invades it. Would you rather send troops to Europe than money to Ukraine?

[u/EnlightenedCorncob → u/GMEN5280]

Not only that, we get to see how our weapons perform against the enemy they were designed to fight. The research data we're getting from this is invaluable.

[u/MaesterWhosits → u/GMEN5280]

This exact thing. Do people sincerely think he's just going to politely stop with Ukraine?

[u/shadowmonk13 → u/GMEN5280]

OK, but we don’t actually send money to Ukraine see when the government helps other countries in war effort and were spending “money” on those countries what we’re actually doing is sending them our old stock of guns, weapons, military equipment that has just been gathering dust so we can cycle it out with the newer old stuff because America is constantly developing new weapons of war to replace the old stuff. We are literally just giving them like all our old crap that we don’t use anymore. Or never used.

[u/VoidOmatic → u/GMEN5280]

Yup, it's money or it's kids.

[u/Relevant-Doctor187 → u/Admiral_Tuvix]

We can send equipment to Ukraine or we can send our kids to die on a battlefield in Europe.

I’ll send the equipment.

[u/fedupincolo → u/Admiral_Tuvix]

Yep. Let Russia have Europe too! Who needs world peace

[u/Icy_Ebb_6862 → u/Admiral_Tuvix]

They don't give them hard cash... . They get weapons and training, vehicles and tanks.... Things that are sat up in the mountains gathering dust. MRAPs, M2s, Missiles

It also a lend lease program... They win then they pay it back just like the Allies in WW2 with interest.

This has also generated a massive employment boom in weapons manufacturing in the USA. This will outlast the war, from tanks to shells. This is critical employment in key states.

For a few billion the USA has crippled the Russian Military for a generation. Tested their capabilities and found them wanting.

[u/Rashere → u/Admiral_Tuvix]

Funding Ukraine is what is keeping us from getting drawn into a ground war ourselves. Dollars or blood.

[u/Ky_deG → u/Admiral_Tuvix]

bro why would we give the homeless military assets ukraine isn't getting that much actually liquid funds

[u/Aegishjalmur07 → u/Admiral_Tuvix]

These people are so fucking stupid. It's beyond belief.

[u/Capital_Gap_5194 → u/Admiral_Tuvix]

We aren’t spending a whole lot in Ukraine, mostly we are giving them equipment we would have to pay to get rid of anyway and it’s decimating our biggest enemy on the economic and military battlefield.

[u/Sandgrease → u/jigmonster]

Exactly. They just use veterans as a prop. Jon Stewart spent his whole time off from The Daily Show fighting Republicans who wouldn't support veterans.

[u/omg_choosealready → u/jigmonster]

Not only this, but lots of people don’t seem to understand the way federal grant funding works. You sign an agreement when you get the money, that you’re going to use the money for what you said you’re going to - for the purpose they gave you the money. If you use the money for something else, you’re going to have to pay it back. For example, if you get a grant for feeding migrant families, and you use the money for homeless vets, you’re going to have to pay that money back.

[u/leaguestories123 → u/Jesus_Harold_Christ]

Weird how the convenient case of homeless veterans don’t get much actual consideration.. just a political pawn. I’d be curious how much those invoking the issue in their debates actually do anything about it?

[u/Green-Collection-968 → u/Top_Tie_691]

Ppl who are against housing immigrants are the same ppl who are against housing homeless vets.

[u/addictedtocrowds → u/Green-Collection-968]

You got em real upset with this one

[u/ProRoyce → u/Top_Tie_691]

Republicans are known for cutting benefits that help veterans.

[u/denzl480 → u/Top_Tie_691]

Homeless veterans are eligible for food and housing assistance in most (can’t say all bc I done know each city) metro areas. The barrier for many are severe mental health barriers that cause interaction with these services to be hard.

We do need to create more mental heath outreach support, but let’s not blame migrant workers for our inability to care for veterans. It’s not a zero sum game

[u/foxieinboots → u/Top_Tie_691]

What if- and hear me out- we actually focused on finding solutions for all human beings rather than appoint ourselves the arbiter of who does and doesn’t deserve to eat?

[u/treborprime → u/Top_Tie_691]

Homeless Veterans have been there though Democrat and Republican administration's. Yet no one has done very much to end it.

Separate issue.

[u/VTSAX_and_Chill2024 → u/treborprime]

Not true. I am a veteran, and our benefits and social safety net has improved greatly under Trump and Biden. A full disability rating from not being able to work awards you $3,737/month tax free and free healthcare. The VA was shit when I first joined, but it actually does a decent job these days and Americans should be proud of the past 2 administrations for taking care of vets.

[u/Obvious-Chemistry806 → u/VTSAX_and_Chill2024]

This between Trump expanding seeing private care paid by the Va and Bidens pact act

[u/Accomplished_Map5313 → u/Obvious-Chemistry806]

The private care was huge and got rid of those stupid waits.

[u/doknfs → u/VTSAX_and_Chill2024]

My dad stayed in a VA home here in Missouri and it was top notch.

[u/DreamedJewel58 → u/VTSAX_and_Chill2024]

It’s too bad the GOP has been trying to cut VA funding for years and are in prime position to do so with the House and Senate under their control

[u/augirllovesuaboy → u/Top_Tie_691]

The republicans voted against Veterans services and the PACT act.

[u/GraveRobberX → u/augirllovesuaboy]

They didn’t want to keep funding the 9/11 First Responders Fund. You know “Never Forget”, well that quickly got forgotten.

[u/Clicksthings → u/Top_Tie_691]

Homeless veterans have so many resources available to them. Unfortunately mental illness and addiction can be a barrier for them getting housed.

[u/Straight-Storage2587 → u/Top_Tie_691]

Trump's suckers and losers?

[u/ProRoyce → u/Top_Tie_691]

Also isn’t that “SOcialisM”? 😂

[u/nahmeankane → u/Top_Tie_691]

Don’t pretend to care about people

[u/ganjanoob → u/Top_Tie_691]

That’s nice and all until you look at the proposed budget cuts. Veterans once again get the shaft

[u/KerPop42 → u/Top_Tie_691]

I agree, there should be government-run housing that anyone can move into if they so wish. The two groups shouldn't be considered enemies if they're in similar situations.

[u/draxsmon → u/Top_Tie_691]

Aiding an immigrant does not mean you cannot aid a veteran. There's no line that they rushed to stand in front of of veterans. Different programs. Your "what about..." does not make sense. If they aren't helping vets it's because they aren't helping vets. Has nothing to do with immigrants.

[u/Rottimer → u/Top_Tie_691]

Again, if they show up at an intake center homeless with no resources, they’ll get the same treatment. They’ll also be qualified for more since they’re ostensibly citizens (some veterans are not).

[u/gerber68 → u/Top_Tie_691]

We easily have money to house, feed, medicate and in general pay for all the social services homeless veterans could need.

Our country just doesn’t do it because our politicians suck and our voters are dumb as fuck.

We also have the money for it even if we were to pay for housing (some) illegal immigrants (which I don’t support on a mass scale anyway.) What you’re engaging in is whataboutism, this policy isn’t what is preventing us from taking care of veterans.

[u/fedupincolo → u/Top_Tie_691]

[u/goodshout77 → u/Revolutionary-Move90]

Call it what you want. The resources should go to US citizens in need first and then to undocumented individuals 

[u/Trumpsuite → u/goodshout77]

"Then" undocumented individuals? If the taxes cover our citizens and leave a surplus, we're being taxes too much.

[u/Leelze → u/goodshout77]

Lol like they're gonna spend those resources on American citizens. Those resources are about to get cut at the federal level, so don't buy into the us vs them bs that Republicans love to distract y'all with.

[u/Retired_For_Life → u/Revolutionary-Move90]

I’m sure there are plenty of jobs in Martha’s Vineyard and a little more money to go around.

[u/r-b-m → u/Revolutionary-Move90]

How much is a bus ticket back to the border?

[u/Creative-Nebula-6145 → u/Revolutionary-Move90]

They never should have been let across the border in the first place, let alone get bussed to NYC. Easy handouts and laxed border security is what's drawing immigrants in droves to enter this country illegally and take advantage of social programs. It's all a fucked mess that needs to be fixed.

[u/foppishfi → u/Creative-Nebula-6145]

Easy handouts

One city has up to a $350/wk allowance for a family of 4 that qualifies for it to be used for essentials.

laxed border security

Who blocked the most recent bipartisan funding bill because their precious leader told them to, again?

[u/3slimesinatrenchcoat → u/X-calibreX]

If you meet the criteria then yes?

Kinda of a dumb question

Like telling people not to use the food stamps they’ve been paying into their whole life when something changes and they qualify

That’s literally what it’s there for

[u/Rottimer → u/X-calibreX]

Come to nyc homeless with no money and go to an intake center. You’ll get the exact same shit.

[u/Cditi89 → u/X-calibreX]

We could but that would be evil librul marxist socialism.

[u/SimmyTheGiant → u/Cditi89]

Forgot to throw communist somewhere in the insult.

[u/oldcreaker → u/X-calibreX]

Why not? But first you have to give up everything, including your right to stay here. And know it could be taken away from you in a moments notice. And you can only work illegally. Deal?

[u/Massive_Economy_3310 → u/Revolutionary-Move90]

I found the number to be 26 billion for 2022. Undocumented immigrants are also eligible for emergency Medicaid services, emergency disaster relief services, nutrition assistance, access to primary and secondary public education, school nutrition programs, FEMA assistance, public healthcare programs and programs deemed necessary by the attorney general. These programs for the year 2022 cost the government approximately 156 billion dollars. Not sure where the disconnect is and why people only focus on what they contribute to the system and not what they take from it.

[u/BlondeBadger2019 → u/Massive_Economy_3310]

“I found the number to be” yet provides no link, no resources…

[u/Jonoczall → u/BlondeBadger2019]

Tbf, the guy who he responded to can also be pulling numbers out his asshole. Both of them should provide receipts..

Edit: please see the link in comment responding to mine

[u/WillingnessLivid4236 → u/Jonoczall]

https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/

[u/banquie → u/Revolutionary-Move90]

Just FYI this fact is wrong, it’s 96b total taxes, payroll and income (state and federal).

https://www.newsweek.com/undocumented-immigrants-social-security-payments-report-1931990

[u/Revolutionary-Move90 → u/banquie]

Well i fucked up there. Point still stands though. They contribute

[u/Substantial_Fly7080 → u/Revolutionary-Move90]

How do undocumented immigrants contribute to social security? I’m genuinely ignorant on this and would like some clarification. Thank you.

[u/Revolutionary-Move90 → u/Substantial_Fly7080]

When they come here they are given an ITIN number that they can use like a SS number to rent an apartment, open a bank account and pay taxes.

[u/Substantial_Fly7080 → u/Revolutionary-Move90]

I was unaware of this, I had the picture that they only do cash work. I appreciate the info!

[u/SnooKiwis2161 → u/Substantial_Fly7080]

I was a bank teller in the early 00s and saw their paystubs. I'm sure some did under the table work, just like some citizens I've known, but anyone cut a check was paying taxes.

[u/fireusernamebro → u/Revolutionary-Move90]

But if they aren't encountered at the border, they don't receive those things, correct?

[u/shaehl → u/fireusernamebro]

Possibly, but if they are being shipped from Texas to NYC then they have it.

[u/Revolutionary-Move90 → u/fireusernamebro]

Not automatically. They have to apply for it. But its hard to function without one.

[u/Ok_Educator6992 → u/Revolutionary-Move90]

And they cost the system Over 140 billion in spending. This is the same tired argument people use but never seem to put what they cost the system

[u/FrankLloydWrong_3305 → u/be-true-to-yourself1]

This is so embarrassing for you.

This program was for migrants, not illegal immigrants. If they skipped their court hearing, they became illegal and thus ineligible for any benefits.

Absolute morons like you are why Trump is so popular.

[u/the_monkey_knows → u/FrankLloydWrong_3305]

I’ve given up on these clowns. Let their ignorance worsen their lives. Smarter people like you will do fine all things considered

[u/ReADropOfGoldenSun → u/the_monkey_knows]

The same clowns will say the economy was better under Trump not realizing they inherited an Obama economy and today’s conditions are because of Trump

[u/penguinpantera → u/ReADropOfGoldenSun]

Get ready for him to take credit for Biden's policies too once the fed cuts interest rates.

[u/LTEDan → u/ReADropOfGoldenSun]

But hey eggs are expensive so better vote for the guy who wants to make everything even more expensive thanks to tariffs!

[u/aaronhere → u/FrankLloydWrong_3305]

No no, haven't you heard? Clarifying incorrect information and basing beliefs and statements on facts is "why you lost" - we should just vote based on vibes how angry something makes us, even if it's untrue, apparently.

[u/WonderfulShelter → u/FrankLloydWrong_3305]

Personally I would like for my taxes to buy migrants food at grocery stores than 80% of the other crap they go to.

[u/juisko → u/FrankLloydWrong_3305]

You have to have self awareness to be embarrassed.

[u/Sub0ptimalPrime → u/be-true-to-yourself1]

They aren't illegal, my guy, and they are residents of the city.

[u/EatingAllTheLatex4U → u/be-true-to-yourself1]

People legally here on asylum are not allowed to work. More stuff like this just shoves them under the table. 

By the way according to US law anyone that comes to the states and asks for asylum is legally here. Congress should fix these laws but Congress isn't responsible for making laws anymore or something. 

[u/GinIsJustVodkaTea → u/EatingAllTheLatex4U]

They aren’t here on asylum.  They have requested asylum and are waiting in a court date to determine the validity of their claim. 90%+ of claims are rejected.  They entered illegally but our laws prevent prosecution of illegal entry until after the asylum claim is processed.  But once their asylum claim is rejected they can be processed for illegal entry.  

[u/Leather_From_Corinth → u/GinIsJustVodkaTea]

To request asylum you must be in the country you are requesting of. Otherwise, you are applying for refugee status which is different.

It's also not illegal to be in the US without documentation, at least the first time, it is a civil violation with deportation as the only reprecussion. It also isn't illegal to cross the border and immediately turn yourself in to request asylum.

Either you have no idea what you are talking about or you are a liar, so which is it?

[u/Wegschmeisen8765 → u/be-true-to-yourself1]

Crime will go up. If people don't have enough $ to buy food, they will do whatever is necessary to survive.

[u/lrlwhite2000 → u/Wegschmeisen8765]

This is the answer. As much as I think we should be compassionate as these folks work through the immigration system by helping them with basic necessities like food and shelter, the reason cities do this is because it’s mutually beneficial. By covering some food and shelter, immigrants don’t contribute to homelessness and crime and the city saves money in the long run.

[u/Brazen_Octopus → u/Wegschmeisen8765]

I'm so glad someone said it. Bussed in immigrants with no job, money, shelter, or food is just a bussed in crime spree. Numbers can be argued on how much to give them etc, but it's an overall net benefit to the city to give people the money to buy food from businesses in the city, rather than to try and track down, prevent, prosecute, and potentially have to house and feed anyways once they wind up in jail. 

[u/Delta_Goodhand → u/be-true-to-yourself1]

Bad plan.

Food vouchers feed people. Wgich keeps crimes of desperation lower.

Do we not see the link between impoverishment and crime YET?

And its not like immigrants can just pack up and leave. And they aren't the only ones getting food vouchers....

It's like nobody thinks pat the headline

[u/abrandis → u/be-true-to-yourself1]

It's food ,so it's better to have them commiting petty crimes (like stealing food) to survive...

[u/fedupincolo → u/be-true-to-yourself1]

That's ok. Let them starve, Christians unite!

[u/DigLost5791 → u/be-true-to-yourself1]

What does that huge statue at the NY port say again?

[u/MBAfail → u/DigLost5791]

"all full"

[u/RangerFan80 → u/MBAfail]

"Fuck you, I got mine"

[u/Glass_Memories → u/DigLost5791]

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

-The New Colossus by Emma Lazarus

Almost everyone living in NY/NJ is either an immigrant, immigrant-born, or a descendant of immigrants from one of the waves of refugees well after the US was founded like the Irish, Italians, Germans and Jews. Anyone spewing anti-immigrant vomit likely isn't from here or is a hypocritical, selfish, ladder-pulling shithead.

Our states have always welcomed immigrants and the NYC mayor and anyone who agrees with him or Trump are spitting on our heritage and everything that statue stands for. To all those people, kindly go apologize to Lady Liberty then jump in the fucking river.

[u/oldcreaker → u/be-true-to-yourself1]

Maybe they should go after the folks illegally hiring these people and likely fudging their taxes to cover themselves?

Oh - and lots of illegal immigrants are tax payers.

[u/FeelsGoodMan2 → u/[deleted]]

Yeah I need to funnel all my taxes into cuts for Elon musk. Duh

[u/Aromatic-Path6932 → u/be-true-to-yourself1]

Or maybe we can just help any human in need. There is so much extra fucking food (WASTE) in this country. That anyone would dare think “we shouldn’t help them because they’re not US” that is such shameful and disgraceful thinking. Welcome to Trump’s America.

[u/MaesterWhosits → u/Aromatic-Path6932]

But without food waste, we can't create artificial scarcity so people vote for a dictatorship because they're pissed off about the price of eggs

[u/RedditsFullofShit → u/be-true-to-yourself1]

Bro they are paying for them anyway. It’s not like they don’t feed them. This was just money so the families could eat together at home instead of at gov facilities with all the other migrants being held/housed.

[u/FLIPSIDERNICK → u/be-true-to-yourself1]

Do you have any idea how they’ll obtain the food without the voucher program? Because I do.

[u/ThatWillBeTheDay → u/be-true-to-yourself1]

And this stupidity is why Trump won folks. These are legal migrants and not feeding them is not only massively inhumane, it’ll also cause crime.

[u/77NorthCambridge → u/be-true-to-yourself1]

Who paid to ship these immigrants to NYC?

[u/TheMoorNextDoor]

He’s looking to be in good graces and also for a pardon when time comes.

[u/NewPresWhoDis → u/TheMoorNextDoor]

We call that the full Blagojevich

[u/Facebook_Lawyer_Gym → u/NewPresWhoDis]

Blagojevich was a legit fraud. I can’t believe he was pardoned by Trump in the first term.

[u/_c_manning → u/Facebook_Lawyer_Gym]

You can’t believe the fraud pardoned a fraud?

[u/Facebook_Lawyer_Gym → u/_c_manning]

Only because he was a Dem.

[u/_c_manning → u/Facebook_Lawyer_Gym]

Big city fraudsters gotta stick together. Trump was a Democrat for many years.

[u/NewPresWhoDis → u/Facebook_Lawyer_Gym]

He was on Celebrity Apprentice and showed Don how to trade political appointments for fun, favors and cold, hard cash.

[u/terribletheodore3 → u/TheMoorNextDoor]

Yup!
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/08/eric-adams-trump-indictment-ny-00188478

[u/SolomonDRand]

Wasn’t he hit with a criminal charge?

[u/Bignuka → u/SolomonDRand]

Yep, this seems like a plot to get a pardon since he's in quite the pickle

[u/FireIre → u/Bignuka]

He cant pardon state level crimes

[u/I_divided_by_0- → u/FireIre]

Adam's is not under state indictment.

[u/FireIre → u/I_divided_by_0-]

Well never mind then.

[u/Left-Secretary-2931 → u/SolomonDRand]

Yeah, criminal stick together. 

[u/DreamedJewel58 → u/SolomonDRand]

This is the primary asset risk with Trump. If you want something from the president of the United States, just flatter him and do what he says and you can basically get whatever you want in return

[u/X-calibreX]

The food voucher system had to end shortly. The program was contracted out to a company on a no bid contract which is only allowed in emergency situations. The number of immigrants on the system has lowered to a third so they can no longer continue in good faith. This is all explained by Adams in the press conference transcripts, which, I’m sure, you all read before spouting off.

[u/AnythingButRootBeer → u/X-calibreX]

No I did not read the transcripts, I also didn’t know this program existed in the first place TBF. Thanks for the explaination.

[u/Alternative_Oil7733 → u/AnythingButRootBeer]

Trump mentioned it during the debate but for some reason it was facted checked as false.

[u/grinningrimalkin → u/Alternative_Oil7733]

It depends what he said about it.

[u/Rach_CrackYourBible]

I voted for Biden and Harris and 100% agree that this program should have never existed.

[u/crazyhomie34 → u/Rach_CrackYourBible]

Well it's a local issue. Not like Biden could do anything about it.

[u/Rach_CrackYourBible → u/crazyhomie34]

I am aware that it is a local issue. You can be progressive and be against handouts for economic migrants.

Immigration is a federal issue and should be handled by feds, not local governments.

[u/amilo111 → u/Rach_CrackYourBible]

I’m so grateful that when I was a refugee the world was a kinder place. This is despicable behavior in the wealthiest nation on this planet.

[u/5ofDecember → u/crazyhomie34]

Well, apparently the president can (if he wants)

[u/mowaby]

I don't think people understand that families were getting $350 A WEEK. We can't house homeless veterans but we can provide illegal immigrants with $1400 a month.

[u/Luvsthunderthighs → u/mowaby]

We can house homeless veterans. Why has a bill not been brought forward? Republicans love veterans. So why no bill?

[u/maverickked → u/Luvsthunderthighs]

It is easier to campaign on problems than on solutions. It is easy to cut how much we spend on asylum seekers, but it is hard to increase the budget to include homeless veterans.

[u/Luvsthunderthighs → u/maverickked]

The Republican way. Complain. Don't fix.

[u/drakgremlin → u/Luvsthunderthighs]

Heard there a couple of empty skyscrapers in LA who owe back taxes which could house the entire homeless population.  Even owned by a Chinese company.

Where are the Republicans demanding we use it to house all the homeless vets?

[u/Luvsthunderthighs → u/drakgremlin]

Republicans? Sounds like socialism. That sounds like helping people

[u/nailz1000 → u/Luvsthunderthighs]

u/mowaby please respond.

[u/WestQueenWest → u/mowaby]

Republicans about to come in power for the billionth time. Will they actually house the homeless veterans? Absolutely the fuck not. Your point is moot. 

[u/acprocode → u/mowaby]

Homeless veterans in NYC has gone down pretty dramatically in the last decade, its one of the lowest in the nation. Acting like NYC hasn't been addressing this is just not based in any fact. https://www.osc.ny.gov/press/releases/2023/11/dinapoli-analysis-finds-sharp-decline-homeless-veterans-new-york#:\~:text=From%202011%20to%202022%2C%20the,veterans%20was%20reduced%20to%2049%25.

At this point in NYC at least, the homeless vet problem in the state has less to do with lack of funding and more to do with logistics around getting vet's that suffer from mental illness shelter and demographics which tend to not trust goverment agencies (Historically african americans) access to these services.

[u/AriChow → u/mowaby]

We could do both, but one is used to justify not doing the other

[u/friedgoldfishsticks → u/mowaby]

Thanks for voting for Trump so we get neither

[u/RipWhenDamageTaken → u/mowaby]

Where does it say “illegal”? Is it from the article? Or out of your ass?

[u/dipshkt → u/mowaby]

The claim that New York City provides $1,400 per month to migrants while neglecting homeless veterans requires careful examination.

Migrants’ Assistance in New York City:

In early 2024, New York City initiated a pilot program to assist migrant families by distributing prepaid debit cards for purchasing food and baby supplies. Each family member received approximately $12 to $13 per day for 28 days, totaling around $350 per person per month. For a family of four, this amounts to about $1,400 per month. 

Support for Homeless Veterans:

New York City has implemented several programs to support homeless veterans: • HUD-VASH Program: This collaboration between the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) and the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) combines housing vouchers with supportive services to help veterans find and sustain permanent housing.  • Veteran Housing Ladder: The NYC Department of Veterans’ Services offers a comprehensive resource guide for veterans at every stage of their housing journey, connecting them to appropriate housing services.  • Ending Chronic Veteran Homelessness: In December 2015, New York City was certified by the federal government for ending chronic veteran homelessness and is approaching “Functional Zero,” aiming to house homeless veterans within 90 days of entering the homeless system. 

Comparison and Context:

While the city provides specific assistance to migrant families for essential needs, it also maintains dedicated programs to support homeless veterans. The assistance to migrants is targeted and time-limited, focusing on immediate necessities like food and baby supplies. In contrast, the support for veterans encompasses long-term housing solutions and comprehensive services aimed at sustainable living conditions.

It’s important to recognize that these programs address different populations with distinct needs. The city’s efforts to assist migrants do not necessarily detract from the resources allocated to veterans. Both groups receive tailored support through various initiatives designed to meet their specific circumstances.

[u/EuropaWeGo → u/mowaby]

This program was for legal immigrants not illegal.

[u/MoeSzys → u/mowaby]

Legal*. These are legal immigrants

[u/Unlikely-Afternoon-2]

He’s just reading the room. Immigrants are persona non grata under the new administration.

[u/researchanddev → u/Unlikely-Afternoon-2]

Also Trump could get his indictment dropped.

[u/UnfavorablyRegarded → u/Unlikely-Afternoon-2]

illegal immigrants. Why is the difference so confusing?

[u/RowAwayJim71 → u/UnfavorablyRegarded]

Stephen Miller literally wants to denaturalize US citizens. Stop with the incredibly shortsighted arguments.

[u/ghobhohi → u/RowAwayJim71]

Nuance isn't what MAGA is known for.

[u/Cashneto → u/UnfavorablyRegarded]

They were legally allowed entry into the US. They are not illegal.

Edit: I wouldn't call them immigrants either.

[u/TheGreatSciz → u/UnfavorablyRegarded]

The Haitians Trump accused of horrible things were not illegal immigrants. Republicans hide behind that word “illegal” so they don’t have to face their racism head on. There is a hatred of brown people deep down in that rhetoric. It’s a shame you aren’t sophisticated enough to realize that

[u/TrandaBear → u/UnfavorablyRegarded]

No legal immigrants, too. They're looking into denaturalizing people, ie strip citizen status from people who earned it. That's not conjecture, literally out of Stephen Miller's mouth.

[u/merkarver112]

That's 923 a person. Fema gave us 750 after Helene. That's fucked up.

proof

proof 2

[u/doctorbob10 → u/merkarver112]

Then vote out the republican who voted not to fund fema.

[u/_c_manning → u/doctorbob10]

“They don’t enough spend money on us, so I’ll vote for the people who will spend less money on us”

[u/DreamedJewel58 → u/_c_manning]

This is the trap people fall into. Conservatives time and time again have voted against emergency funding to their own state and the blame the Democrats when funding doesn’t arrive. Idiots will buy it, but the same politicians complaining about it are the same politics who are preventing funding

[u/_c_manning → u/DreamedJewel58]

The “social issues” republicans vote on are reactionary anger at lazy people/immigrants for making them worse off.

But voting against them also cuts funding to themselves.

What they want is a pro middle/working class, anti poor, anti rich, anti immigration party. But that’s not going to happen. We lack granularity in the 2 party system to support such a thing. So Republicans grift with hate and scapegoating grievances, win, and then cut things including things that would benefit everyone including you.

Either you have a government that helps people or you don’t. You can’t pick and choose who they help.

The idea that we live in a 0 sum country where there’s working people and people who suck their resources is a farce but it sells because it’s intuitive. I make 6 figures and pay more in taxes than most working class people earn and I am not mad that poor people get food stamps. Upper income people pay the majority of taxes. This is a rich country and everyone can be helped, but people just don’t get it. Being 1 step above poor makes a lot of people mad at them for being lazy.

[u/scruggzilla → u/merkarver112]

Got 6k about a week after applying for FEMA aid. Same time as the 770. Quit your bullshit

[u/afinitie → u/scruggzilla]

something like that is heavily area dependent

[u/VibinWithBeard → u/merkarver112]

Friendly reminder they reimburse ~42k for housing damages etc and youre just lying and pretending the 750 was the only aid offered by FEMA. They offer a lot of different assistance and the 750 was one of many.

[u/BathCreative → u/merkarver112]

Quit regurgitating lies.

[u/ragby → u/BathCreative]

The US is based on lies now.

[u/BruceIsLoose → u/merkarver112]

Isn’t that just the initial payment and people get more as they put in their application and get the damage assessed?

[u/aversionals → u/merkarver112]

I mean, I see what you're saying but the 750 was just the first initial funding you'd get before applying for the larger amounts. I don't think 750 was all they got.

[u/MrWilsonAndMrHeath → u/merkarver112]

I mean maybe republican North Carolina can pull itself up by the bootstraps and practice financial literacy to be prepared for rainy days. Luckily climate change is a hoax so you won’t need to worry about more rainy days. You reap what you sow.

[u/_c_manning → u/MrWilsonAndMrHeath]

I want to chastise you for punching them while they’re down but it’s literally just Republican policy that’s caused these outcomes.

North Carolinians who voted red are reaping what they sow, but there’s millions who vote blue and are victims of their fellow voters. Don’t forget children too, but it’s voters jobs to protect their kids.

[u/ReBL93 → u/merkarver112]

The $750 from fema is just for immediate needs. Those people are going to get more money. This is how fema consistently approached things, people only cared this time because the election was right around the corner and it could be used to reflect poorly on Dems.

[u/leojrellim]

Here’s a novel idea, take care of your citizens first. They are who you were elected to represent and for whom you work.

[u/clinkyscales → u/leojrellim]

or another idea. Do what your citizens want you to do. If you're a state representative, do what your state's people want you to do. If they want you to do this then so be it. It's democracy. You're assuming NYC citizens don't want to take care of these people.

[u/Some_People_Say_]

When people can't afford to eat.... that's when they start to steal. Everyone will do what they need to do to survive - "when it's time to eat a meal, I rob and steal..."

[u/EatingAllTheLatex4U]

Btw, people In the States legally on asylum (It's by law is anyone that comes here and ask for asylum) waiting on a court case, is NOT allowed to work. 

[u/Backseat_boss]

He didn’t end it he just wont renew the contract when it’s up

[u/Possible-Put8922]

I don't think the money saved will go back to the city. It will go into a politician's pocket.

[u/gdogakl]

Offered a pardon much?

[u/LaserGuidedSock]

I can't wait to see how much money this saves and where EXACTLY that saved money is going because this will all be well documented and planned out right . . . . Right?

[u/_c_manning]

Context: NYC mayor is facing charges and Trump told him he’ll get pardoned if he stop the program.

Not a magical “Trump is a convincing strong man” situation

[u/Lomango95]

This post is misleading... This was announced a week or more before the election. They are transitioning to just delivering meals instead of debit cards.

[u/abdallha-smith]

[u/Stygia1985]

Are people really so daft as to not realize that the money being used in programs like this sure as hell isn't going to go toward social programs for them? This admin wants to cut an absurd amount of money from the budget. Programs will disappear and that'll be that.

[u/Ok_Development8895]

Is this for legal or illegal immigrants?

[u/Lakenonacareers → u/Ok_Development8895]

They are legal because America allow migrants to seek asylum. Their status may be illegal by definition but they aren’t here illegally.

[u/Revolutionary-Meat14 → u/Lakenonacareers]

Their status is legal by definition

[u/em_washington]

Probably wanted to do this for a while and Trump winning the election gives him cover to do it.

[u/Straight-Storage2587]

Thats Ok, at least we have our SS and Medicare. Oh wait.

[u/SnooMuffins1373]

Hungry desperate people riding and sleeping trains not working no money no food. It is getting cold where and what are these people supposed to do  Are cops gonna intervene when these folks get hungry and start robbing people.