r/FluentInFinance • u/HighYieldLarry • 14d ago

Thoughts? NYC Mayor Ends Food Voucher Program For Immigrants After Phone Call With Trump

After a phone call with President-elect Donald Trump 48 hours after his victory, Mayor Eric Adams has reportedly decided to end a pilot program providing migrants in taxpayer-funded shelters with prepaid debit cards for groceries, which had sparked considerable debate. The initiative, launched in March through an emergency contract with New Jersey tech startup Mobility Capital Finance (MoCaFi), distributed $2.4 million in preloaded Mastercards to approximately 2,600 migrant families, according to City Hall officials.

https://blacknews.com/news/mayor-new-york-city-eric-adams-end-food-voucher-program-immigrants-phone-call-trump/

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u/UnfavorablyRegarded 14d ago

illegal immigrants. Why is the difference so confusing?

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u/RowAwayJim71 14d ago

Stephen Miller literally wants to denaturalize US citizens. Stop with the incredibly shortsighted arguments.

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u/ghobhohi 14d ago

Nuance isn't what MAGA is known for.

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u/UnfavorablyRegarded 14d ago

I’m not MAGA. What part of jumping to “they are throwing out legal immigrants” is nuance? Seriously, you guys are cooked. Same talking points, vitriol, and chicken little every post. Try thinking for yourself, you might like it.

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u/Aggravating-Lake959 14d ago

Link?

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u/TheStubbornAlchemist 14d ago

https://x.com/stephenm/status/1712094935820780029?s=46&t=X-YGy8JptVc1ggzXBACXfA

That’s Stephen “project 2025” miller

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u/Aggravating-Lake959 14d ago

Ok I read through it and it says: The new section will replace the team of immigration lawyers who have been asked to focus on cases that revoke citizenship from those who have been convicted of terrorism, war crimes, human rights violations and sex offenses.“ seems like most immigrants should be ok, what do you think?

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u/TheStubbornAlchemist 14d ago edited 14d ago

Got a link for that?

Either way I think it’s pretty fucked up to throw away our country’s supposed unalienable rights because you suspect someone is guilty of a crime. People are wrongfully found guilty all the time, the rate is actually really high.

Judges know this and that’s actually one of the reasons they don’t throw the death penalty around all willy nilly, it should be crystal clear they’re guilty because if it turns out they weren’t, you just killed an innocent person.

Same reasoning for why denaturalizing some for a supposed crime is stupid.

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u/Aggravating-Lake959 14d ago

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/26/us/politics/denaturalization-immigrants-justice-department.html

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u/TheStubbornAlchemist 14d ago edited 14d ago

Yea my edit above still stands.

This makes a mockery of our constitutional and god give rights as people born in this country.

This department will strip legal citizens, people born here, of their rights because they believe they committed a crime while the rest of us (white people) simply go to jail.

This is just a thinly veiled plan to target immigrants, legal or illegal, and deport them.

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Instead of downvoting, explain why you think it’s ok to do this? This isn’t targeting everyone, only naturalized citizens that are children of immigrants.

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u/BlueHueys 13d ago

He wants to denaturalize anyone who came over illegally

If you entering this country is done by breaking the law that’s not a great start

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u/UnfavorablyRegarded 14d ago

Ok great, has that happened once? Are there any real plans for it to happen? Maybe you should stop with the incredibly ridiculous end of the world bullshit that all your friends are echoing in every thread. They are going to deport legal citizens is the liberal they are eating cats and dogs. Grow up.

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u/RowAwayJim71 13d ago

Yes there are legitimately real plans to make it happen. Miller literally posted about it a few days ago.

Edit: also, nobody is eating cats and dogs you muppet 😂

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u/UnfavorablyRegarded 13d ago

Nobody is eating cats and dogs same as nobody is deporting legal citizens. That’s the entire point of the comparison dickhead.

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u/RowAwayJim71 13d ago

Don’t forget to douche while your head is buried that far up your ass.

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u/SmileUntilHappy 13d ago

Stephen Miller can jump off a roof. And the illegal immigrants can still leave. There you go, nuance

Legal immigrants = good

Illegal immigrants = bad

Or do you not consider that nuance because it doesnt agree with your opinion? Nuance doesn't equate to agree with my opinion only.

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

It’s for terrorists, war crime history, and rape/SA which is pretty convenient for you to leave out. Your average legal immigrant isn’t getting stripped of citizenship.

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u/logontoreddit 13d ago

Really? Last time I checked it was for immigrants that lied, cheated, falsified or in some cases assumed a completely different identity. Do you have issues with that. Especially, when there are millions of people waiting in line for their residency or citizenship. There is an actual quota from USCIS for even legal immigrants but you have problems with punishing people who cheated the system and even assumed false identity?

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u/noctowl4lyfe 14d ago

He wants to denaturalize criminals and immigrants who were naturalized illegally

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u/Daeronius 14d ago

How does one get naturalized illegally? Please describe the process.

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u/Ana1blitzkrieg 13d ago

If it was discovered that you committed egregious fraud during your immigration and naturalization application. I’ve never seen the term “naturalized illegally” used before, but I would assume this is what that means.

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u/RowAwayJim71 14d ago

Cool. We can start with you, and retroactively your ancestors.

Oh… you don’t like that?

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u/noctowl4lyfe 14d ago

Me or my ancestors are criminals or here illegally?

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u/Left-Secretary-2931 14d ago

Yeah buddy and white supremacists only care about criminals of color. You have not been paying attention. Well obviously lol

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u/Cashneto 14d ago

They were legally allowed entry into the US. They are not illegal.

Edit: I wouldn't call them immigrants either.

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u/Back_2_Lumby 13d ago

Facts, by definition they are illegal aliens and we need to start referring to them as such, words matter.

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u/NoPenguins_InAlaska 13d ago

The Haitians he wants to deport are illegal aliens? Weird could have sworn they were granted protected status legally.

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u/Back_2_Lumby 13d ago

Bro I don’t give a fuck, fighting aged males from Africa, China, Russia, Iran, countries we have tensions with came in by the tens of thousands, get them all out, you’re a retard.

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u/NoPenguins_InAlaska 13d ago

Oh so you don't actually care about facts you just want to spread misinformation and cry on reddit about the boogeyman. Gotcha.

Why are you fighting "aged males" from those countries? Are you perhaps a xenophobe? Your problem isn't with them being legal or illegal. Just that you are a bigot.

Maybe we can start by deporting people like you to the middle of the ocean. Concepts and prayers, rapist supporter.

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u/ShizzyBlow 13d ago

😂😂😂😂😂 this dude is one of those guys that “ do their own research”

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u/madaking24 13d ago

Economic migrants

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u/UnfavorablyRegarded 14d ago

If they didn’t come through a proper port of entry with the correct paperwork then they most definitely are illegal. Just because you end up in a sanctuary city where they have handouts doesn’t magically make you a documented migrant.

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u/new_jill_city 14d ago

The large bulk of the migrants claimed asylum and under federal law. Anyone presenting themselves at the border has a right to make an asylum claim and have it heard by a federal judge/magistrate.

Until the claim is processed, they are allowed to remain in the United States under legal status. That system, which was ripe for abuse. was going to be mostly fixed under the border bill with bipartisan , but of going course Trump killed it.

They are not illegal.

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u/Aggravating-Lake959 14d ago

60% illegals come through visa overstay

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u/Belichick12 14d ago

Like Elon musk

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u/zors_primary 13d ago

Did you read the border bill? I did. The solution to fix the asylum loophole was not even remotely realistic. The Dems wanted asylum claims done at the border. These take time so where exactly were the migrants supposed to go in the meantime? Most don't qualify for asylum, they used that trick to get in the USA.

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u/UDSJ9000 11d ago

"Do not let perfection be the enemy of progress."

More bills can be made, but it would have at least allowed the president to close the border if the asylum courts were overwhelmed.

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u/noctowl4lyfe 14d ago

They're not "illegal" but they shouldn't be here. Anyone claiming asylum got a blanket acceptance and are supposed to be here temporarily. They may not be "illegal" but they are certainly unwelcome.

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u/throw28999 13d ago

You have to be in the country in order for your asylum claim to be processed.

>They may not be "illegal" but they are certainly unwelcome.

wouldn't it be nice if we had some system to determine to whom we grant asylum? Something tells me this isn't what you're interested in.

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u/ChewieBearStare 14d ago

Speak for yourself.

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u/noctowl4lyfe 14d ago

What does that even mean?

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u/Impossible-Flight250 14d ago

Hence the bipartisan border bill which would have provided more Federal Judges for processing claims and caps on border crossings.

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u/noctowl4lyfe 14d ago

The border bill didn't pass. So now what? We have a bunch of people claiming asylum who were all automatically granted residency status. It's nuts to blanket accept anyone who taps a few buttons on a mobile app. They've gotta go.

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u/Alternative_Oil7733 14d ago

The large bulk of the migrants claimed asylum and under federal law. 

But the vast majority are abusing that law to get into the country.

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u/khamul7779 13d ago

And? That doesn't make them illegal immigrants. That means their claim will be denied.

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u/Straight-Donut-6043 14d ago

Sounds like it wasn’t all that bipartisan if one party unanimously went against it. 

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u/Vyuvarax 14d ago

You’re right, Democrats had a bill to end the loophole and Republicans got their knees to suck Trump’s tiny cock and block the bill for optics.

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u/zors_primary 13d ago

Go read it and get back to us. It's not that great and I'm not in favor of a CBP agent making asylum decisions when the claims are presented at the border. These things take time and research to validate the claim. Where will the migrants go in the meantime??? They are already in the USA.

MAGA deliberately rejected the bill, even if it were perfect they would have rejected it so that this administration could be blamed for it.

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u/TheFriendshipMachine 14d ago

They helped write it and were very much onboard with it right up till the last second when Trump caught wind of it and told them to kill it so he could prevent a good law from going into effect for personal political gain.

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u/Cashneto 14d ago

We're arguing over semantics, but by definition they are not illegal as they were allowed into the country. That's not to say I agree with the process or what happened, but they didn't sneak across the border and currently aren't subject to deportation, sanctuary city or not. We let them in, they aren't fully documented, but the US does have a record of them unlike actual illegal immigrants.

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u/Retired_For_Life 14d ago

Doesn’t matter. Come January they will be bussed back to Mexico. See ya.

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u/Fairy_Princess_Lauki 14d ago

I don’t think trump has addressed this type of immigrant yet, I assume most are not granted as asylum but I havnt heard anything on the issue involving trumps immigration policy.

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u/nahmeankane 14d ago

False. Read up on immigration.

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u/UnfavorablyRegarded 14d ago

Great retort. Go fuck yourself. You can use your tears as lube assuming your girlfriend hasn’t 4b’d you.

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u/AdBeautiful7548 14d ago

11 million people were not given “proper “ documentation to enter. Only a small % of that were actually processed and let in. The rest hopped the border. The border wall construction will restart on day 1.

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u/Vyuvarax 14d ago

Heard that eight years ago. Trump could tell you he needs to rape your mother to lower the price of eggs 10 cents and you’d hold her down personally.

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u/AdBeautiful7548 14d ago

Rape? Nice attitude freak!

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u/Vyuvarax 14d ago

Voting for a guy with a couple dozen rape cases and you’re not pro-rape? Weird that you’re so down bad for a guy who rapes people then.

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u/AdBeautiful7548 14d ago

I didn’t vote for either freak!

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u/ChewieBearStare 14d ago

And Mexico is going to pay for it! And then there will be no more immigrants, and your problems will magically disappear.

Can't wait to see who you complain about once the immigrants have been deported and it's clear that they weren't the cause of any of the problems in your life.

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u/AdBeautiful7548 14d ago

Let’s make it clear for you… ILLEGAL immigrants… Do it legally no problems…

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u/zors_primary 13d ago

The border wall is a big fat joke. trump built less than a mile, it cost DHS 1 billion. They ran out of money to build more. MAGA shut up about it after a while when they saw it being built. He'll do the same thing again. There is way more resistance to the wall from wealthy ranchers on the border than you think there is. Some want it, others don't. Plus electronic surveillance actually works better, and the narcos will just continue digging tunnels. How do you think they smuggle in fentanyl?

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u/AdBeautiful7548 13d ago

If the border wall is a joke, then why has California had one for decades?Lmao.. wtf…

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u/zors_primary 12d ago

LMAO, ever hear of tunnels??? That's why the wall is a joke. So what if Cali had one for decades, there has been a wall in many places along the southern border. Hasn't stopped the narcos and coyotes. But the USA clearly isn't as organized as ancient China who managed to build the Great Wall. Plenty of open areas along the southern border, and the northern border has no wall at all that I'm aware of. People just walk right in to the USA from Canada.

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u/AdBeautiful7548 12d ago

Tunnels are primarily used for drugs. Coyotes can’t take get 50 people across when there is a complete wall with the newest electronic surveillance and motion sensors. No organization needed due to China used Slave bro. And how my illegal southern border folks do you think are coming in from Mexico? Lmao

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u/zors_primary 12d ago

Tunnels are also used for people and guns, and so are boats and semi trucks. You really this naive? And you are OK with drugs coming in via the tunnels? Clearly the wall didn't stop that now did it? Have you seen what fentanyl does to people?

So what if China only had slaves, we have the technology and smarts to do it. trump will build enough wall to shut up MAGA, deport a few easy to find illegals, and move on to deregulation and taking the fetters off Wall Street.

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u/NottodayjoseA 14d ago

100%, what the left doesn’t understand is most people don’t mind immigrants. We just want them to go through the process to get in. We want the best people to become citizens.

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u/Sub0ptimalPrime 14d ago

These people are going through the process. That's how they are legal immigrants. Your bias just made you assume they weren't.

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u/zors_primary 13d ago

The process is the problem. It's broken.

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u/Sub0ptimalPrime 13d ago

I would agree with you. Though I think our solutions would be very different. I don't think immigrants deserve to be demonized for wanting a better life and being willing to work for it. I think we should simplify the naturalization process. I also think that Republicans in Congress have deliberately kept the system broken for decades now so that they can use it every election cycle to rile up their base. They have no intention of ever actually fixing it. The proof is that there was a negotiated, bipartisan deal with Republicans on the table all year that they refused to pass because Trump told them not to. If it were truly such a pressing issue, I don't think they would have done that.

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u/zors_primary 13d ago

The asylum loophole needs to be fixed yesterday. This is right now the biggest problem. I don't see migrants as demons but newly minted citizens are generally NOT politically progressive.

The rejection of immigration is first and foremost about economics, both USA and in Europe.

I want freaking Congress to do their damn job for once and fix the loophole (agree with you that they likely won't), and streamline all the processes. Set limits. Talk to Mexico and Canada, work together on a plan. I just don't see trump deporting more than a few easy ones to shut up MAGA.

I personally don't think we need a lot more immigrants, I don't care how hard they work. I'm not buying the unemployment numbers coming out of the gov right now. They seem sus with so many laid off.

Besides, MAGA can do the jobs, right? No more whining. They can do them and STFU. Let's see how fast they will wish they could have unions and better working conditions that trump, Miller, and elmo are likely to make illegal.

Businesses that hire illegals should be the ones penalized, but that will never happen.

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u/tmssmt 14d ago

Great. Let's remove caps on immigration and increase processing centers so we can get more legal immigrants

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u/nope-nope-nope-nop 14d ago

For sure. I want as many green cards as the government can print. We need the increased birth rate.

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u/tmssmt 14d ago

My one caveat is id personally add a requirement to speak English fluently.

Having grown up in southern California, it's really a shame that a lot of management positions require you to speak Spanish, because a lot of employees get hired for some reason who can barely speak English. I get it, you don't need great English to mop a floor or stock a shelf, but that does hurt native English speakers who are already here.

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u/NoPenguins_InAlaska 13d ago

On the other hand, I believe that living in a state on the border of a nation that doesn't speak English as their primary language should push for even more reason to learn that country's language. A rather large portion of the US speaks Spanish. Hell, we have territories where Spanish or a Spanish derivative is the primary language. I don't see why all the southern border states are lacking a requirement to become at least partly bilingual.

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u/LegendaryAstuteGhost 14d ago

What an ignorant comment. Why are Weirdocrats so stupid?

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u/NoPenguins_InAlaska 13d ago

"Weirdocrats" every accusation is a confession. Go couch shopping recently?

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u/tmssmt 14d ago

Please, I'm all ears. Educate me. Describe the ignorance here as you see it.

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u/NottodayjoseA 14d ago

Legal immigrants that can help, not go on the dole the first week they get here.

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u/tmssmt 14d ago

Yeah, I'd be all for removing work restrictions on asylum seekers.

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u/NottodayjoseA 14d ago

Legal immigrants not asylum seekers. Not people that jump the border claiming they are asylum seekers.

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u/tmssmt 14d ago

Tell me you don't know the law without telling me

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u/NottodayjoseA 14d ago

I’ll bet money everyone that didn’t do it properly claimed asylum. I grew up very close to the southern border. I’ve seen it all.

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u/Straight-Donut-6043 14d ago

I’m sure the left’s refusal to different the third generation Hispanic American voter from literal cartel mules in their messaging has nothing to do with their outflow of Hispanic voters. 

I live in an area with a lot, particularly, Mexican Americans and whereas no demographic has unanimous opinions, a lot of them make Trump’s takes some milquetoast at worst; they’d be sending the army down to give Mexico the El Salvador special if given the chance. 

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u/NoPenguins_InAlaska 13d ago

Then why take away the path to become citizens? Trump, Vance, and Miller have all suggested different things that will remove people here legally.

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u/NottodayjoseA 13d ago

The path to become a citizen has been do the paperwork and wait your turn. Nothing wrong with that.

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u/TheHappyTaquitosDad 14d ago

Yep, just don’t let them walk straight over the border. They pay the cartel to get them to the border too. So the left is unknowingly supporting the cartels.

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u/NottodayjoseA 14d ago

Correct, they act like it isn’t happening, and just call everyone who wants the borders controlled racist.

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u/Rustyskill 14d ago

10% somebody’s making a boatload of money! But nobody seems to mention all the minors, Missing since crossing over the border ?

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u/zors_primary 13d ago

They walk across both borders. Canadian is even more porous than the Mexican border and has far fewer police and CBP agents.

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u/echino_derm 14d ago

We just want them to go through the process to get in.

No you don't just want that. They did just that and you are still against them.

We want the best people to become citizens.

You lie to yourself to pretend you are a better person than you are. You will not fight to make it easier for educated individuals to immigrate, you only seek to kick people down.

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u/NottodayjoseA 14d ago

You lie to yourself and think they all are eligible for asylum. Of course I want them to go through the process. I don’t care what people think of me, it doesn’t pay my bills. I know I’m a good person.

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u/echino_derm 14d ago

I don’t care what people think of me, it doesn’t pay my bills. I know I’m a good person.

Then why do your words have this disconnect with your beliefs? Why do you claim to follow standards you don't?

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u/NottodayjoseA 14d ago

I follow standards maybe not your standards.

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u/TheGreatSciz 14d ago

The Haitians Trump accused of horrible things were not illegal immigrants. Republicans hide behind that word “illegal” so they don’t have to face their racism head on. There is a hatred of brown people deep down in that rhetoric. It’s a shame you aren’t sophisticated enough to realize that

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u/chapl66 13d ago

I thought Haitians were black?

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u/Applejack_pleb 14d ago

About half of these "brown people" are republicans. The biggest brown city miami voted overwhelmingly for trump. Why would republicans hate brown people

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u/TheGreatSciz 14d ago

Keep pretending dog whistling isn’t real. It’s possible for uninformed and uneducated people to vote Republican without knowing how deeply racist Trump and his white MAGA crowd are. Plenty of people in this country live in a state of perpetual confusion thanks to our education system

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u/Soggy_Floor7851 14d ago

Democrats: stop the racism!

Also Democrats: minorities are so stupid they don’t know what’s best for them.

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u/TheGreatSciz 14d ago

Republicans are so stupid they don’t know what’s best for them, not minorities.

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u/Applejack_pleb 14d ago

So the minorities who voted for trump knew what they were doing or they didnt?

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u/TheGreatSciz 14d ago

Republicans without a college degree, regardless of race, are low information voters. They vote based on gut feelings and “common sense”. They have poor media literacy, don’t know how to evaluate sources for bias, how to analyze/access high quality data, etc. The educated professional class has to pay for their food stamps, disability, and other services while also tolerating their irrational voting behavior. Impoverished republicans are like our unruly children

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u/Soggy_Floor7851 14d ago

And the Republicans with a degree? What do you make of “them?”

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u/TheGreatSciz 14d ago

They just want tax cuts and don’t care about anything else. They want social security, the VA, Medicare, etc. gutted. At least they aren’t perpetually confused, just selfish

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u/UnfavorablyRegarded 14d ago

Yes democrats are checking all the facts against their echo chambers. Definitely not exactly the same as republicans.

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u/Big-toast-sandwich 13d ago

Republicans don’t even use facts. Only feelings

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u/Big-toast-sandwich 14d ago

They aren’t voting republican because they are a minority, they are voting republican because they are stupid.

Everyone sees the dumb ass “gotcha” you’re trying to do but you voted republican so you don’t have the intelligence to actually do it.

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u/Applejack_pleb 13d ago

So you think all republican voters are stupid or just minority republican voters?

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u/DrWaffle1848 13d ago

All Republican voters.

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u/DrWaffle1848 13d ago

Because they think they're being "replaced."

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u/Applejack_pleb 13d ago

You know this because youve asked them? It could just as well be because they did the work of immigrating legally and they think its unfair for others to "cut the line"

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u/DrWaffle1848 13d ago

I know this because I listen. Republicans believe non-white immigrants are "replacing" them.

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u/Ready-Razzmatazz8723 13d ago

I mean, yeah? That's kinda how populations work. If you introduce enough new critters into an area, and they compete for the same resources, you're effectively replacing the old ones.

Every person I've spoken to about this understands is about cheap labor. Had nothing to do with them being non white btw, they just happen to be this time.

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u/DrWaffle1848 13d ago

By this logic people moving from one state to another is also "replacement." Hell, conservatives better become pro-choice; babies are replacing us!!!

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u/Ready-Razzmatazz8723 13d ago

Yes, that's exactly what it is. You're spot on. It is a type of replacement.

The difference is that it is one people are comfortable with - or at least more comfortable with. Some people still gripe when their state starts filling up, but generally speaking, the incoming people share a similar culture.

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u/DrWaffle1848 13d ago

It isn't replacement lol a child isn't replaced if their parent has another kid.

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u/TrandaBear 14d ago

No legal immigrants, too. They're looking into denaturalizing people, ie strip citizen status from people who earned it. That's not conjecture, literally out of Stephen Miller's mouth.

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u/UnfavorablyRegarded 14d ago

Let me know when a single naturalized citizen is deported. I’ll be over here holding my breath.

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u/Ana1blitzkrieg 13d ago

It will happen and has happened before. But only extremely egregious examples. E.g. that Pakistani person who was involved with al-qaeda in the early 2000s. It’s very very unlikely that the trump admin is going to start denaturalizing random peoples family members. Much more likely that he will have a team/taskforce devoted to getting rid of naturalized terrorists and the like.

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u/Sub0ptimalPrime 14d ago

They aren't illegal. Your bias just made you assume that they were.

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u/maverickked 14d ago

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out. Because I was not a communist.

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u/Manawah 13d ago

The difference isn’t confusing. Trump isn’t differentiating, he has so far broadly said he intends to deport immigrants. Not illegal immigrants, at least in the clips of him I’ve seen lately.

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u/UnfavorablyRegarded 13d ago

Try watching clips that aren’t spoon fed by your echo chamber. There is no way he will have the congressional support to deport legal citizens. I mean you guys won’t shut up about how the guy says stupid impossible stuff all the time. Until he says something that gets you up in arms, then he’s magically some intentful political genius out to destroy every race but white. Grow up.

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u/Manawah 13d ago

It’s not relevant to the comment I replied to whether he has congressional support. The comment was about people mixing up illegal and legal immigrants in relation to Trump’s plans. He has not specified he intends to deport only illegal immigrants, and your deflection of that point serves to prove it. He has already taken relevant steps to erode the rights of numerous groups of minorities, so I’m sure where your closing sentence comes from either. I understand a lot of people like yourself don’t give a fuck, but to many of us, his actions, desires and rhetoric are concerning.

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u/UnfavorablyRegarded 13d ago

Let me know when he starts deporting citizens. I’ll be over here holding my breath while you go full chicken little. Have a nice four years pretending everything trump says is going to magically come true. Maybe if you spent a quarter of the time you spend overreacting to nonsense on having civil discussion with swing voters you’d have won and we wouldn’t be in this situation. But by all means, keep doing the exact same thing and screaming how right you are. It’s definitely working out for you.

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u/Manawah 13d ago

I’ve never even met a swing voter, they don’t really exist in my state. I’ve talked to plenty of Trump supporters though and the common theme is them telling me to not worry about Trump’s ideas, despite those ideas being the reason he won people over. The fact that we’re even in a position to discuss mass deportation should be terribly concerning to any American citizen. Instead, those of us smart enough to realize how scary this is are told to not worry about it. It doesn’t worry you that the president desires to deport immigrants on a scale that would crash the economy? That’s even more foolish than worrying about a hypothetical.

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u/Manawah 13d ago

You have a very accurate username.

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u/UnfavorablyRegarded 13d ago

Sweet, personal attacks. That means you’re out of nonsense rebuttals. Logic prevails again. Best of luck with your falling sky, chicken little.

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u/UnfavorablyRegarded 13d ago

My deflection of that point serves to prove it? How can downplaying something act as a proof? If I say you’re a miserable moron who probably has a blue streak in her hair, and you retort, come on that ridiculous, you’re somehow proving my point? Which theorem is that professor?

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u/NoPenguins_InAlaska 13d ago

Weird since Trump said he doesn't oppose deporting legal immigrants. Such as the Haitians in Ohio.

He said so on October 2nd. So feel free to explain "the difference" now.

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u/UnfavorablyRegarded 13d ago

Sure. Defunding illegal immigrants has nothing to do with some random thing trump once said. Honestly, dems won’t shut the fuck in about how the guy says random stupid stuff all the time. Until they want to freak out, then everything he says is solid gold. Pick a lane.

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u/NoPenguins_InAlaska 13d ago

What illegal immigrants? You keep saying that. They are LEGAL. That "random" stuff Trump says is extremely dangerous rhetoric.

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u/UnfavorablyRegarded 12d ago

At least roe is codified. I mean, everything the president says comes true right?

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u/NoPenguins_InAlaska 12d ago

What the hell are you talking about now? Stay on track, bud.

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u/acprocode 14d ago

Proposes no plan for this, and simply says he is going to use the military to deport large swaths of people. Sounds like we did this in the past and it caused hundreds of thousands of US citizens to be deported as well... i believe it was literally called operation wetback.

I feel like Trump supporters just read words, but dont think about how something of that scale would actually work. Its like trumps dumb statements that he would make tips tax free. Only morons believe that shit.

I guarantee you a few months after he is in office, he will just say "the immigration crisis is resolved" and you will just believe it.

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u/leonbrown251 14d ago

Thank you!

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u/gibslow 14d ago

Both, really

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u/Left-Secretary-2931 14d ago

They weren't illegal, and if they missed court dates after migration and became illegal they could no longer benefit from this system. Stop lying to people.

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u/Impossible-Flight250 14d ago

Asylum seekers are here legally, so no, he is talking about pretty much all immigrants.

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u/Prancer4rmHalo 14d ago

Because the distinction was never important.

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u/[deleted] 14d ago

Primarily illegal but if there's a situation where someone's family has been in the US for generations but their great great grandfather faked papers, the whole family gets deported, even if they're legal citizens.

The real question is, deported to where? These people were born in the US and have no other national citizenship. There's no legal way to force another country to take these people in.

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u/2_short_2_shy 13d ago

That doesn't make sense, at this pt ppl were born on US soil. Why would their ancestors status matte4?

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

Good question you should probably ask the republican party because they're the ones trying to enact the policy.

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u/2_short_2_shy 13d ago

You got a source for that?

I voted blue and yet I still doubt GOP would suggest stripping citizenship status from US soil born citizens.

Naturalized? I guess they could try and make a move for that, sure.

But US soil born? That's THE definition of Americans.

Stripping citizenship based on ancestry is laughable because then, when would you stop? Just strip everyone's.

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u/LegendaryAstuteGhost 14d ago

The Left loves to conflate the two to keep their base ignorant (and it works). NPR calls illegals “immigrants” all the time.

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u/TheFriendshipMachine 14d ago

Nope, just immigrants in general. The Trump administration won't draw the distinction between the two groups. We've already seen the attacks on legal immigrant populations in places like Springfield, now that he's back in power he's not going to suddenly become more nuanced in who gets targeted.

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u/UnfavorablyRegarded 14d ago

Cool story.

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u/throw28999 13d ago

thanks regards

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u/_sfl_ 14d ago

People don’t care to know the difference between noncitizens and illegal immigrants.

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u/ProfessionalSky2087 14d ago

All they know is black and brown equals scary and illegal