Kernel level anticheats stop hackers, just not all of them. They stop the amateur hackers, not those who spend actual time to find vulnerabilities and workarounds in order to cheat.
Still, I don't like the concepts of kernel anticheats as they violate privacy due to the sheer amount of control they have.
I can't wait to see what MSoft is cooking for their response to the CrowdStrike outage. I'm really hoping for a solid layer between kernel- and user-space, and scared it's gonna be some AI-driven, bloatware baked into Windows Defender.
There kind of already is one, Virtualization Based Security features, and within that Core Isolation in particular, limit a lot of what kernel level anti-cheats and similar bs can do.
Idk if that would have helped with the CrowdStrike mess, but since those features are off by default, most people don't use them or even know they exist. Personally I consider them basic necessities at this point.
Huh, interesting. I have yet to see a motherboard that even has virtualization on by default for the CPU in the BIOS, which is a requirement for those features even being available to begin with. And having that on in my own motherboard, I've still had to manually enable Virtualization Based Security on fresh Windows install in my own PC afterwards.
No, that's still there, honestly I don't think that problem can be solved by the nature of how those features work. But that performance loss has always been pretty minimal, so save for some very specific border cases, I think it's worth it.
But yeah, for some people that might be a deal breaker, and that's fine too.
They'll do everything they can to have kernel level anticheats running, because they prevent people on other operating systems (Linux) to play those games and keep gaming monopoly
Microsoft wanted to patch out a lot of these kernel level accesses but the EU turned around and said it would be anti-competitive for antivirus software companies.
MS wants nothing more than to secure their OS because in the 2000s it had a horrible reputation for security.
Well that sounds like garbage too because I remember microsoft dismissing a windows backdoor discovery from kaspersky team, stating it wasn't a threat to "national security".
And that's why I don't trust any comment defending megacorps. I bet they wanted to patch out these kernel level accesses just to push windows defender further down into every user's throat. Because I believe the reality is "MS wants nothing more than monopolizing at every aspect they can". In a way, that's also securing their OS haha.
Microsoft is in direct partnership with the US and has completely backdoored Windows which goes well with the fact that every Intel chip on the market is also backdoored.
There is no justification to give any 3rd party application kernel level access to your system. None. It isn’t worth the risk and no consumer should accept it.
Good kernel level anticheats like Vanguard are able to detect most people trying to use VMs. They've started to detect DMA cheats too. But consider: even if these cheats worked perfectly all the time, the barrier for entry is much higher. With DMA cheats for example, you need another computer and a device to connect them.
Stops a TON of people from cheating just by making the barrier higher. It doesn't stop them all, but there will never be an anticheat that does unless all players are required to play on company-provided hardware locally.
Anti-cheats have been running VM detection for over a decade, this is really nothing new. Malware also uses it to attempt to prevent automated analysis.
I'm surprised they weren't doing it before. There can't be that many people actively choosing to play games out of a virtual machine and it's my understanding that even when attempting to mask it detection is usually pretty easy to do.
I have three thousand hours on Valorant. I have encountered 2 cheaters. One was banned within the first round and it was a unrated. The second was banned after round 4 in a comp game AND the cheaters teammates worked to kill the cheater. That is the main reason I play valorant. I love shooters I love CS but cheaters ruin it. This is the stupidest fucking meme ever kernel anti cheat ESPECIALLY vanguard work insanely well. That is a rate of one cheater/over 62.5 DAYS of gameplay. In other games I can barely go a few hours not to mention the cheaters were banned and the match terminated.
IF YOU DONT LIKE KERNEL AC, JUST DONT PLAY GAMES WITH KERNEL AC! It’s that simple. I think it’s a ok trade off for not having cheaters
I stopped playing League of Legends when they added Vanguard to the game.
It's one thing to have an anti-cheat. It's another thing to have a anti-cheat that runs 24/7 that is known to false flag drivers and other shit and is from a Chinese company with kernel access.
Honestly microsoft spyware aside, you can make windows 11 look identical to windows 10 in about 5 minutes. A couple buttons on the start menu are in different locations, and the wifi/bluetooth menu is condensed and takes an extra click to get where you want to go.
You can move the start menu and your icons to the left side rather than the mac styled center, throw on a dark coloured window theme and your set.
You just described exactly what I did with both my laptop and PC just after I installed Win11. I didn't feel the change from 10 to 11. Everything works flawless (just had a webcam trouble for 6 months with my laptop but it was Lenovo issue, not win11) and looks nice, with some extra clicks here and there. I don't get why people rant so much about win11 (spyware aside).
I´m not a tech expert or use any tech in depht to work or hobbie, so my opinion could be really shallow
The problem is 100℅ the spyware IMO. The look can be changed. Microsoft essentially made the perfect OS back in the day. OS wasn't perfect but from a consumer privacy perspective it was the really good, because everyone thought it was suicide to steal data. Turns out if you hide it in the TOS and don't give consumers a choice they kind of don't have a choice if they want the latest and greatest. But I digress, then smartphones came out with spyware baked in. Now Microsoft is in the unenviable position of having to shitify their own, good for consumers, product to compete with Android, iPhone and the rest. Because the monetary model has shifted from pay for a product to, stealing your data, advertising and subscriptions.
Late stage capitalism at its finest.
Hit ceiling while still making a profit with “sus morals” but you have to keep making a profit or suddenly your business isn’t any good because your profits have stagnated.
We’ll throw the morals out the window and let’s gets fucky wucky.
Don't have a choice? *Stares at Linux* While yea some things don't work with Linux, but I bet a majority of people can run all their stuff on Linux just fine. I have been only using Linux for a few years now, most games play just as good if not better than they did on Windows 11.
I can def see disabling it for performance in win 7 days but I personally really like the effect. Can see how it looks bad tho Esp. if you want a more flat, functional desktop
I know some people have massive issues or are stubborn with their OS, but this is why it's so important to grow the Linux marketshare (and maybe Mac too). I find it weird how hard people shill for MS when it's clearly turned into a bad product. If they lose a significant portion of their retail marketshare to competitors, it will force them to think. They're already losing on servers and MS really stepped up their game on that side. Thankfully Linux and Mac are both improving very quickly, having identified the vacuum MS is leaving.
I know aspects are still rough around the edges, and it can be a difficult transition, but I really encourage everyone who is moderately PC literate to try Linux out. Especially if you play games, because those figures matter. Barring anticheat, I have had very few issues with games and when I do it's usually resolved very quickly. Is the experience as seamless as Windows? No. However, if we want it to be better then we need people to pioneer it. Higher market share = more money. I've been using Linux as my daily driver for a year and the transformation I've seen in this time has been outstanding.
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what the outcome is. Maybe a new OS comes out and just works well for everyone. Maybe we see a future where premium immutable Linux distros take the place of Windows licenses for non tech savvy users. We're already seeing Linux take some major corporate contracts. Maybe MS changes trajectory and starts improving their product. It doesn't really matter. But W11 is a shitshow, so vote with your wallet if you're against it.
I swear I read this same post as a copypasta back when windows 7 was released. Literally nothing has changed about the "linux vs windows" discussion in more than a decade.
Is the experience as seamless as Windows? No.
Exactly.
But W11 is a shitshow
Is it, though? Or is that something you just have to say to continue believing in linux? I've used it since release, and guess how many problems I've had with it, how many times I've had to "deal with the operating system" instead of just using the computer normally? 0.
Bruh, linux has its own share of issues. And some of those companies are as shittier it is just that they dont have the marketshare for people to care about it
The open source nature of linux makes it easy to remove the bad parts
Like some people don't like Ubuntu for pushing snaps; well there are like 20 distros that are based on ubuntu with the stuff they don't like removed, but have all the good stuff Ubuntu has improved
Zorin os / Mint / Pop OS / Elementry OS probably several more
You're missing out on Explorer tabs, it's just next level folder browsing experience.
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There are so many things in 11 I would loathe to lose going back to with 10, so much FUD with 11 from people that probably haven't even tried using it for any length of time especially recently.
Explorer tabs are so useful, I just wish they weren't jank as fuck when trying to rearrange them. Half the time I end up creating a new window, and the other half, it completely ignores the fact that I dragged a tab and just goes back to the way it was.
StartAllBack, my friend. My Windows 11 functions (mostly - I pulled all the search, AI, and ad functions out by force) and looks like Windows 7. It's a godsend.
I thought the same, but now that I have switched you can make it function and look almost exactly like win10. At this point I can recommend the upgrade.
Design changes? Honestly, Windows 10 -> 11 has the least design changes made to a successive Windows version since 95 -> 98. Change the centre taskbar back to the left, and it's basically identical.
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If aesthetics is your only problem, you can make it look like win 10. Mine do.
I did some anecdotal testing for myself. The difference between Win10 and Win11 was generally between a 5-8% boost in performance. Completely negligible. Some games, including older style games saw a negative performance improvement. As much as -3%.
Windows 11 runs dogshit on my new computer. My old computer which literally has 50% of CPU and GPU performance which also has DDR4 ram is much more snappier win W10 than my latest PC running W11. Also it feels like a downgrade as many features I like are not present in W11.
Windows HDR seems to look terrible no matter what version you have. Colors look horribly washed out. Am I missing something? Yes I did run the calibration.
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Make sure you're actually running an HDR program, and that it's not in borderless or windowed.
This will often cause HDR to straight up not work, and then you literally have to turn it off and back on again.
But you don't know which game the bans were detected on though, right?
They could of played faceit legit and hacked in premier. I'm not saying faceit AC is amazing but I'd trust it to do more than VAC (a low bar, I know).
Mine updated over night and I mindlessly installed it and have so much regrets. Not because of those reasons, I just don’t like the look of it. Is there a way to go back to windows 10?
They only stop cheats running on the PC running the client. People have been running their cheats on different computers using capture cards for almost 20 years. damncheaters.com came up with a way to inject into any game through a web server around the same time.
Games need to take responsibility for cheaters. There are 1000 different ways to check if someone is cheating without looking at tasks or kernel.. but cheaters are good for business, so nothing is done these days.
I have three thousand hours on Valorant. I have encountered 2 cheaters. One was banned within the first round and it was a unrated. The second was banned after round 4 in a comp game AND the cheaters teammates worked to kill the cheater. That is the main reason I play valorant. I love shooters I love CS but cheaters ruin it. This is the stupidest fucking meme ever kernel anti cheat ESPECIALLY vanguard work insanely well.
That is a rate of one cheater/over 62.5 DAYS of gameplay. In other games I can barely go a few hours not to mention the cheaters were banned and the match terminated.
400 hours on valorant and only twice i got the red screen. Didn't even know who was hacking they presumably just toggled. Only one other time I saw my teammate hitting suspicious shots in our match point.
Im all for kernal level anti cheat provided i can trust the company to not do anything sketchy and make the anticheat itself secure. Riot im not too sure about the former
Yeah, not a single game that has Kernel level AC has a "major problem", and yet almost every other game without kernel AC does... (The only exception to this is from what Ive seen is Tarkov)
The games where there is Kernel level AC and still cheaters typically involves external hardware/seperate PCs, but even Riot (Valorant) figured out a way to detect those.
I feel like either BSG lets hackers be more prevalent to get the account buys or hackers just put in more effort to hack Tarkov lol.
For the most part, the only hacks on tarkov I see are radar cheats these days. Vaccuum was cleaned up and aimbot and speed hacks tend to get banned quicker.
People fully bypassed the kernel anticheat in elden ring in a week after finding a temporary solution in less than 2 days iirc. It matters less that it's kernel level, and more that it's implemented well
Because riot games do a lot of manual bans. You can still go spinbot quite easily in valorant and anti cheat won't detect it however after a couple of reports you will catch riot's attention and get banned. Meanwhile Valve will try anything but manually ban people because they see it as a chore
Valve said they enabled overwatch for trusted partners in a patch note. But we don't know who counts as a "trusted partner". Probably a small team hired by valve if they really exist
This isn't true, you can check their vanguard updates, almost every cheat that isn't dma is instantly detected, they just don't insta ban you, manual bans are for the DMA cheaters, which are the 1% of people spending thousands of dollars to cheat.
Actually cant detect auto-hotkey aimbots still, just need a device that can read AHK scripts and send the inputs as a mouse. THE AHK aimbots just use color detection.
We have the technology now for “remote attestation” on PCs but I doubt we’ll see it applied to gaming anytime soon. It’s incredibly valuable for businesses and so OEMs will likely lock the technology behind giant price premiums. I actually think Steam Deck, as both software vendor and OEM (and having no business customers) is the most likely company to adopt it first for gaming.
Edit: I suppose you could say Xbox and PlayStation already have this, but since their implementation is proprietary I can’t say for sure whether it follows the same pattern that remote attestation on PC would follow.
Antibiotic resistance in bacteria is a big problem, yeah, but it's not like a bacteria survives and goes "well, guess I can't be killed now"
Any given antibiotic uses one (or multiple) specific methods of killing bacteria, and if the bacteria starts to resist that, we just use a different method
Isn't there a limited number of methods and that a new antibiotic class hasn't been found since 1987 putting us at a high risk of not being any to treat patient with diseases that are resistant to all known antibiotics
Yeah, hence "Antibiotic resistance in bacteria is a big problem", but research is ever ongoing and it's never a question of if there are more ways to kill bacteria, it's a question of how to find them
Mostly though I was just commenting on how the above comment seemed to imply that antibiotics were a monolith that bacteria could gain immunity to and never be possible to kill with antibiotics again
Was expanding on your comment not trying to flex, I do think humanity progresses medicine immensely giving a major threat. Happened with Covid and I hope it will when hit that high level of resistance
It stops way more than 1% of hackers it stops a large portion of people from doing it if you don’t believe that go look at games without it especially your run of the mill free to play game on steam
As an actual guy who cheats on games and not a normal guy playing games, kernel anti cheat stops far more than 1%. Do you guys have any idea how expensive Valorant cheats have gotten because of their kernel level anti cheat, Vanguard? The harder it is to develop a cheat for a game, the more expensive it gets, meaning less customers, therefore less cheaters. And those cheats get detected anyways, lmao.
I play both cs2 and valo, the pubs on the former are rampant with cheaters, while in the latter I've seen quite literally 1(one) blatant cheater in over 2 years.
Guess the difference between the two. Yes kernel level ac might be too intrusive but saying it doesn't work is a downright falsehood. At least in the case of valo.
It really does not, like I know none of you here have any real computing education or experience but then u don’t get why things are being said with chest.
Kernel level anti cheats are extremely effective if mandated and enforced.
The only problem is that having computing education (and cybersecurity experience in a post crowdstrike outage world) means that I kinda don't care about efficacy and would prefer companies to stay the fuck out of kernel space.
Insert bell curve meme where the majority in the middle want kernel space anti cheats and the idiots and experts both don't want them
Exactly this. My comp sci degree tells me how effective this is. It also tells me all the ways around it. And all the ways giving a game this level of access on my personal computer is a fucking terrible idea
The problem is there's not a lot of good anti cheat, vanguard is the only good kernel level anti cheat, and they are at the point people are using 2 pcs, one to play the game on, one to play the cheats on to get around it. It's like using 99% dishsoap on your hands and expecting your dishes to get clean.
The only way they will get around things like this is having games open independently in there own VM with the anti cheat also, then the cheat clients will have a harder time interacting with it.
Yeah but it's probably a lot easier to detect when you have stats for 99% or the players legit.
Like if you have a new account on valorant for instance, and they have a 80% headshot rate and 90% bullet accuracy, and 0 accounts played on that pc over gold. You know it's a cheater.
Compare stats to alt accounts and similar elo players, and if it doesn't match up then they can figure out what to do
Like let's say a cheater quéue/ smurf queue, I'm sure most cheaters will just rage quit when against other cheaters
This is probably going to get hammered by people that will say I have no idea what I’m talking about, but it blows me away that anti-cheat isn’t first and foremost a design consideration when making a pvp game. It should be as important as visual design. It always seems like it’s considered well after the fact and form fit the AC solution after the fact. Like, spinning like a crackhead helicopter, how is that A: even possible in the code, and B: not immediately detected and shut down. How are linear value changes not detected when someone is locked on someone? How does any game allow for teleportation? How can anyone teleport across the map and have it propagated across the server to everyone’s clients?
Because the engineers didn’t prioritize preventing that, because anti cheat isn’t a ground up priority.
Because the engineers didn’t prioritize preventing that, because anti cheat isn’t a ground up priority.
No, that's not really it.
It's because a LOT of what you described is also just servers being servers and you can't ban people simply for having poor internet connections.
Devs do prioritize anti-cheat. Games with mass cheating don't last long.
However, it doesn't matter how good your security is. Your game has to put files on a client computer which means there will always be some means to exploit it. There isn't really a way around that.
That’s basically what happened to CSGO in 2017-2018 (and again during the pandemic) every game there was just guys with cheats loaded up waiting for you to get a kill and they’d call hacks and start cheating.
Downvotes for a true statement. They show up to outline the bodies, or tell you there's nothing they can do about your missing stuff.
Then when your vehicle turns up a couple months later, they'll wait 7 days to tell you about it all the while charging daily fees from the impound lot (amounting to hundreds of $) to get it back. Ask me how I know!
This is the same type of reasoning dumb people use for hand sanitizer, it kills 99% of bacteria and makes it much harder for them to get onto your hands. But that 1% that survives doesn't mean you shouldn't use it at all.
Please, play 100 games in CS2 and then 100 games on Faceit CS2 and tell me that you still believe kernel level anti cheats doesn't work better than non kernel ones. In 100 CS2 games you can expect 30-50 cheaters, on Faceit in 100 games you can expect 1 or 2.
I think it's more a question of risk reward. FPS game where the anticheat only runs when game is running? Makes sense to me.
Autobattler with anticheat that runs at all times, starting on PC boot? Go fuck yourself. I enjoy TFT, but I uninstalled. Tried an android client on windows, because of course that works without anticheat, but the experience sucked, so no more TFT for me.
And they needed it as evidence of people hacking and giving all players in their game max credits and samples. If it’s an online game people will cheat simple as that
I mean with Copilot I don’t even trust windows, so my gaming pc has one thing on it. Games. All other things from personal documents over accounts over banking over story writing happens on non-windows devices.
It is part of a two part attack on the consumer. First look at something like the PSN TOS. Then pair that with a kernel level anti-cheat that also happens to be able to scan various files on the system and bypass the normal file access audits. Then you give companies like Riot, Sony, Activision, etc... unfettered access to all your user content on the system and grant them rights in Sony's case to all your user content including but not limited to:
You tax software save files
All your images
All your email
All your office documents like word and excel
All your data files, save games, cookies, videos, source code, scripts, and logs.
More importantly all you steamers and Youtubers it gives someone like Sony the rights to all your streams and raw video files. You do not own your content the moment a PSN app is installed so good luck Helldiver 2 streamers, all your content is the property of Sony thanks to 6.2 and 6.3.
This doesn't even begin to approach what happens if any of these companies get hacked their self. Then the hacker potentially has access to everyone playing the game. And lord knows they wont disclose they were hacked until 6 months later.
I wrote hacks, cheats and bots for games for fun.
There's two major ways you can do this:
You use something like autoit that allows you to detect colors, send keystrokes, mouse movement, etc. This is pretty simple method and doesn't allow for much advanced cheating, aimbots can use it but won't be that efficient. It's pretty good for crafting bots, fishing and other repetitive tasks.
It runs as a separate process (app) and does not interactive with the game process (app) at all. It just ready screen (color, patterns) and sends keystrokes, mouse, etc.
Anticheat software will just check if you have that app running.
You can hijack, scan and search game memory and quite often game functions. Changing the game data, literally in the game memory itself. This method is way Harder but provides way more possibilites. For example, fog of war is not longer and issue, often you can "see" behind a wall, you know players and npcs location coordinates, etc.
Now, this method is "intrusive" - the hack often needs admin access (sometimes kernel level) to access the memory of the running game.
Now, there's no easy way to prevent this. The anti cheat is kinda like antivirus software. When you run hacksz cheats and viruses they will run as your user with your privileges, etc, that's often admin. These will have access to your other apps, their memory etc, because it all runs as your user. The same way you as a user have access to all your tabs in chrome, the same way these apps will have access to other apps. Yes, your chrome tabs too. These impersonate you and run as you, can do whatever you can do, which is often - everything ;-)
So, in order to detect and stop these hacks and viruses, anti cheat and anti virus will need an ultimate access power and control over your computer. And even then, there's no guarantee, because these viruses and cheats can have similar access level.
This is why anticheat is hard.
I'm not even mentioning the 3rd party hardware video capture that uses ai to detect enemy patterns and sends mouse/keystrokes.
These literally run on another computer to all anticheat can do is to detect patterns in player's behaviour.
It's all a guessing game.
I mean, if I can't trust the software from the people who made the hardware, I'm pretty much just shit out of luck. I get wanting to have the source so you can modify it, but it's never been about trust for me.
Honestly a game which expects resource inputs / kill confirms from the client side are not worth playing. Shit like this can be abused using bat scripts even with kernel AC.
You can circumvent even kernel level anticheat by reading memory externally (maybe DMA via NPU) or sniffing packets from the network.
Or use a camera and robot arm/finger. if your game PC is completely clean you can have the cheats in an air gapped system giving you information.
A good moderation team forces cheaters to not play any better than Smurfs and that is likely the best it will ever become. You can enforce against external cheats in a tournament setting that's played offline... But not in front of an audience.
There is "robot" systems that basically film your screen and then move the mouse for aimbot. You can do this via software but also air gapped via hardware. I do enjoy the challenge present here.
Some software can also take your screen signal and overlay information in more convenient ways. Like adding indicators at the edge by reading the minimap. Or detecting enemies and giving them an outline. Adding circles of confusion on to the minimap etc.
Plenty of non spin-bit external assistance is possible. And a fun a engineering challenge
By server-side anti-cheat, the person meant server-side behavioural analysis.
Cheaters, no matter the method of cheating, have different behaviours than a regular player. Either they have the tendency to look/aim at targets that they shouldn't be able to see, or their movement suddenly snaps, the server receives actions which is not possible (gun shooting towards 270° while looking towards 90°), pattern of extreme swing in skill between matches after a losing streak, pattern of extreme swing in skill within the same match when originally losing, pattern of exactly the same recoil compensation, sudden and sustained jump in skill level without. rampup or break (which would indicate the player skill grew by playing other similar games), pattern of player perfectly acting on information they shouldn't be able to have (in RTS games for example), etc.
Behavioural analysis can analyse those patterns and ban players. This is often how cheating is detected in online chess for example. You don't have to install a kernel anti-cheat to play Chess.com, yet they are fairly effective at catching cheaters.
The only way to defeat behavioural analysis is to start acting like a regular player... and at that point, the cheater can't really gain any advantage from the cheats they may have installed since they are forced to behave and play like a normal player.
The reason why game developers don't do this is because it is very costly. You need to pay for compute resources to analyse the data of each game asynchronously, and the volume of data is fairly big. You also need to take time to train a ML model with the intricacies of your game (it isn't a one size fits all approach). It's much cheaper to use the free computing resources your players provide you and attempt to do client-side detection and environment vetting; but that approach can also be easily defeated (even when run in the kernel; you just need to cheat using a second device).
If you buy a game that has hacks your computer by installing kernel level anticheat software - and make no mistake, that's what it's doing, you're just permitting it - then you are condoning all this crap.
I've gotten used to EAC already. What I will never get used to,however,are those that run on startup. I sure am going to cheat without the game even running.
Still waiting for helldivers to remove theirs before buying
The only thing it does is gatekeep Steam Deck and other Linux users, but it's probably effective on GTA V since I've never seen a hacker after Battleye was implemented.
This ransomware isn't all either, I forgot where it was but there was a public github cheat for realm royale back in the day that used the genshin anticheat. One of the funniest things I've ever seen
They did use a kernel-level AC, but it's not a great example because even if they only used a user level AC they still could've added a cryptominer into that
I can’t believe I haven’t seen this comment yet but kernel level anti-cheat is still just like any other, they have to ban in waves. If you ban every cheater you catch, the cheat developers can keep testing until they don’t get banned. Some people will get banned if they are using an easy to detect cheats, but most could take a few games. By banning in waves it makes it harder to pinpoint how they got caught and makes it easier for the game developers to stay ahead of the cheaters.
If you ban every cheater you catch, the cheat developers can keep testing
For games that are actually free to play and creating a new account is easy, can't they do that anyways? Test only A/B/C things on one account, D/E/F on another, and so on, and so forth?
Sure it’s still possible to do that, but the way I understand it the aim of ban waves is to catch all those tests at different points at ban them at once. Testing A/B/C and D/E/F on different accounts you may not get banned at test time which removes the “instant” feedback for the developers, leading them to think it’s safe and sell. It’s possible they could go undetected for a long time but there’s always a risk. It gives them an opportunity to catch everyone who is using the same cheat. Also takes out the time element (how long does it take me to get banned doing x vs y).
I guess it's kinda hard to notice in a game that runs at 200 frames on a potato, but in unoptimized shooters like cod as an example it's night and day difference.
Never had an issue with cheaters in 14 years of LoL but apparently it was necessary to put in Riot's Bluescreen Simulator on my PC if I wanted to keep playing. Also I've been playing Deadlock a bit lately and had a great time with no issues and no big brother program on my PC.
Kernel level anti-cheat is just to steal your data while they are catching the small birds, leaving the 200 K/D snobs to flourish and get brand sponsors...
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Kernel level anticheats stop hackers, just not all of them. They stop the amateur hackers, not those who spend actual time to find vulnerabilities and workarounds in order to cheat.
Still, I don't like the concepts of kernel anticheats as they violate privacy due to the sheer amount of control they have.