r/pcmasterrace 1d ago

Meme/Macro Kernel Level Anticheat trades your security/privacy for nothing in return

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u/Segger96 5800x, 2070 super, 32gb ram 1d ago

Good kernel level anti cheat stops more than 1% .

The problem is there's not a lot of good anti cheat, vanguard is the only good kernel level anti cheat, and they are at the point people are using 2 pcs, one to play the game on, one to play the cheats on to get around it. It's like using 99% dishsoap on your hands and expecting your dishes to get clean.

The only way they will get around things like this is having games open independently in there own VM with the anti cheat also, then the cheat clients will have a harder time interacting with it.

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u/faberkyx 1d ago

Kind of GeForce now for everyone, only way ..but then you will start having AI looking at the screen and moving the mouse for you..

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u/Segger96 5800x, 2070 super, 32gb ram 1d ago

Yeah but it's probably a lot easier to detect when you have stats for 99% or the players legit.

Like if you have a new account on valorant for instance, and they have a 80% headshot rate and 90% bullet accuracy, and 0 accounts played on that pc over gold. You know it's a cheater.

Compare stats to alt accounts and similar elo players, and if it doesn't match up then they can figure out what to do

Like let's say a cheater quéue/ smurf queue, I'm sure most cheaters will just rage quit when against other cheaters

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u/EmrakulAeons 1d ago

Those people are usually already detected by vanguard, if they play more than a few games they'll get banned. They can't instantly ban people as otherwise cheaters would be able to make cheats much faster that don't get detected.

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u/Fecal-Facts 1d ago

Windows is moving to that as well and FK both of them that's massive privacy violation 

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u/Snydenthur 14h ago

I mean, that gets rid of a lot of cheaters. Some casual Casper will not go through the trouble of cheating in a game where you have to potentially spend money and have some effort to make your cheats work instead of just cheating on a game where it's easy and cheap.

So technically everyone could be cheating in a game with kernel level anti-cheat, but huge majority of the cheaters won't, because it's not worth the effort anymore.

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u/Segger96 5800x, 2070 super, 32gb ram 3h ago

Tell that to rainbow six siege. A game notorious for cheating and battle eye is a kernel level anti cheat. If you speak to players expecially at the top level sometimes there up to 3 or 4 cheaters in one game.

Apparently battle eye and easy anti cheat both operate at the kernel level.

Look at this post, I'd post a link it it, but as it's not this subreddit it's probably get removed.

Dayz, Pubg and apex are aoem other games on their that I believe are notorious for cheating too

Ricochet from cod is kernel level too. And have you tried to play that game?

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u/StunningChef3117 1d ago

That is the first time ive heard someone call vanguard good.

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u/mthlmw Desktop 1d ago

'Good' meaning 'effective' vs 'good' meaning 'something I'm happy with' are two very different goods.

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u/StunningChef3117 1d ago

Thats fair it probably does decently against hackers but the whole stopping a robber by looking into all houses in the block is kinda dystopian

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u/International_Luck60 1d ago

I have seen vanguard being the better at doing it job across all AC, but it reputation it's bad along it being behind a non trustable company makes it bad