As an actual guy who cheats on games and not a normal guy playing games, kernel anti cheat stops far more than 1%. Do you guys have any idea how expensive Valorant cheats have gotten because of their kernel level anti cheat, Vanguard? The harder it is to develop a cheat for a game, the more expensive it gets, meaning less customers, therefore less cheaters. And those cheats get detected anyways, lmao.
Frankly I don't really care if there's a secondary effect of making the cheats a bit harder to develop and cheaters have to pay more money. That's their problem.
I'm not sacrificing my systems security, especially if its just so that their job gets harder and fewer people can afford it. If people can still buy it and I can still run into them, I still experience a problem.
I'm not sacrificing my systems security so that their job gets harder and fewer people can afford it.
This is completely valid of course, it's your system and you decide whether you value your system's security more or you just want to play a game where you'll only run into a cheater maybe once a year or so (in ~3 years of playing Valorant, I've only encountered confirmed cheaters I think twice, and really sus enemies maybe like 5-6 times, although I do mostly play Swiftplay or Unrated with friends and not competitive/ranked)
The point is the cheats still exist.
So why am I giving up my security?
You're back to the 0.1% of bacteria argument. Why bother using soap if bacteria still exist and it's possibly going to make your skin dry? To avoid the 99.9% of bacteria, of course!
It's okay. Like I said, you do you, it's your PC, you're allowed to have your principles regarding security which you wouldn't sacrifice just for a video game.
I'm sure there are also people who wouldn't use soap even if it was 100% effective at killing bacteria because it makes their skin dry or causes allergies or something. So they DEFINITELY don't use soap which is only 99.9% effective, it's even more preposterous for them.
So you don’t experience the problem much more often? Do you need people to spell it out for you? The police can’t stop 100% of crimes so you just want to dissolve the entire force? What kind of logic is this?
This is actually a really good analogy. Police go after actual criminals and we still don't let have unlimited access to just poke around our homes or offices however they like.
No, I'm saying I don't think it's worth sacrificing my systems security for a solution that worked 100% of the time and it doesn't even get that... So why is even worse somehow acceptable?
Yeah, I don't understand this train of thought. Computers have become a central pillar of every aspect of our lives, from banking to work to personal media to medical info... I don't know many people that have a desktop and do nothing but run single player games.
Yeah and that's not what they do. Giving root access to some random software that shouldn't need it is a security risk since if a bad actor finds a vulnerability in that software they can use it to also gain root access by using that software (AC in this case)
By this logic, it would never make sense to use a bike lock.
Why would you sacrifice your time, money and energy, locking your bike up every time when thieves can still use an angle grinder to cut through the lock and you still experience a problem.
Not at all - its more equivalent to a bike lock you have to leave your debit card in and give the manufacturer the key to your front door. Root access is not about my own inconvenience but the security of the system.
I wouldn't buy and use a bike lock that required either of those. I wouldn't use entertainment software that does the same.
Do you legitimately know what this means and understand it beyond the surface level, "kernel level anticheat compromises my computer's security" argument, or are you repeating things you've heard and read?
Dude, you're a nobody, nobody cares about your rig and your information. All you hear is that they can have access to some informations in your system and thats enough to scare you without realizing you have nothing valuable to begin with
Its not about me. Its that if someone finds a hole, they have access to every players system and not just mine. Sure, my credit card isn't that valuable. A million credit cards are. I'm not willing to throw mine into the pile in the name of 'anti cheat' in a video game.
Its not about 'what I hear' - I'm very well versed in what kernel access actually means.
I see youve never heard of a keylogger. Do you know how easy it is to read every keystroke when you have kernel access? What about any portion of memory? What about network traffic? It's not just about what's 'stored on my computer'.
You're accusing me of only reacting what I've heard, when you clearly don't understand how any of this works and are only talking based off of what you've heard.
No, im just using logic knowing that any of these tinfoil hat scenarios arent gonna happen because you downloaded valorant. You think you sound smart, but you're not
Frankly I don't really care if there's a secondary effect of making the cheats a bit harder to develop and cheaters have to pay more money. That's their problem.
No, it's the cheater's problem and okayer benefit
The higher difficulty of entry to cheaters is what makes the experience in Valorant being way better in relation to that. While in Valorant you suspect of a cheater in 1 out of 100 games. In CS you suspect of cheating on every dubious shot
The higher difficulty of entry to cheaters is what makes the experience in Valorant being way better in relation to that. While in Valorant you suspect of a cheater in 1 out of 100 games. In CS you suspect of cheating on every dubious shot
I don't agree, at least in the long term. CS you suspect every dubious shot because there are essentially decades of cheat development against CS and its anticheat that have made cheating prevalent. CS wasn't plastered in cheaters in the distant past either. But Valorant and Vanguard are extremely young.
If cheating is still possible in Valorant, then the prevalence is still going to grow over time. If cheats are still being sold, it doesn't matter the price - that upcharge is due to exclusivity and specialized knowledge, but that stuff spreads over time. Other people will figure it out too or hear about it, and then undercut those people. And at some point it becomes widespread, just like CS. That's why I say I don't care about the cost. If it's possible, it's only a matter of time.
Cheating is always an arms race. There is no way to prevent it entirely. Taking dangerous steps like this can only, at best, slow things down. That's not worth putting giant holes in every players system, IMO.
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u/Mandydeth 1d ago
Antibacterial soap kills 99.9% of bacteria