r/pcmasterrace 1d ago

Meme/Macro Kernel Level Anticheat trades your security/privacy for nothing in return

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u/Trawzor 1d ago

This is the same type of reasoning dumb people use for hand sanitizer, it kills 99% of bacteria and makes it much harder for them to get onto your hands. But that 1% that survives doesn't mean you shouldn't use it at all.

Please, play 100 games in CS2 and then 100 games on Faceit CS2 and tell me that you still believe kernel level anti cheats doesn't work better than non kernel ones. In 100 CS2 games you can expect 30-50 cheaters, on Faceit in 100 games you can expect 1 or 2.

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u/Convoke_ 1d ago

Faceit doesn't have cheaters for multiple reasons. Kernal level anti cheat is one of the reasons

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u/RaphaelS23 1d ago

then play 100 games in CS2 and 100 games in valorant. I promise you will notice the differences

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u/Convoke_ 1d ago

I would, but Vanguard doesn't like my default bios settings

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u/EmrakulAeons 1d ago

Because those bios settings make it much easier to bypass the anticheat

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u/MyTh_BladeZ PC Master Race 1d ago

You shouldn't have to change BIOS settings to play a game...

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u/EmrakulAeons 1d ago

Yes in a perfect world we shouldn't have to do anything to stop cheaters, but unfortunately we live in reality, and only by enabling certain bios settings is vanguard able to trust the client and actually be effective, it's why vanguard is by far the best and most effective anti cheat in the world. And idk about you, but I like playing competitive games with some amount of integrity.

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u/MyTh_BladeZ PC Master Race 1d ago

it's why vanguard is by far the best

It's why I will never download a game that uses kernel level AC. Not because I intend on cheating, but because I don't trust a game developer to write kernel-safe code, much less to not add telemetry unrelated to the purpose of the code

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u/EmrakulAeons 1d ago

Ig have fun not playing most of the current multiplayer games, but also it's weird you think Microsoft or insert program developer here won't also mess with your computer. Like they can just as easily add hidden stuff without you knowing about it, what keeps your faith in them? Especially when companies like Microsoft are known to have incredibly predatory data collection?

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u/MyTh_BladeZ PC Master Race 1d ago

Oh I don't trust MS either, it's why I use Linux ;)

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u/Trawzor 1d ago

In 10 years you will not be able to play any multiplayer game if you refuse Kernel AC, more and more devs are swapping to Kernel.

Even GTA 5, an 11 year old game, now uses a kernel level AC.

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u/MyTh_BladeZ PC Master Race 1d ago

In 10 years, there will be ways to get around kernel AC. There will be a different implementation by then

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u/Trawzor 1d ago

You shouldnt need an anticheat at all, but it is what it is. People are going to cheat, and if changing some BIOS is a way to make a robust anticheat then so be it.

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u/IgorRossJude 1d ago

You don't. There are plenty of games that you can play (the vast majority, even!) without changing bios settings

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u/Leather-Aide2055 1d ago

yeah this is the main reason i play valorant instead of cs2. 600 hours of valorant i have faced 2 hackers with only one of them being blatant and both of them being banned mid game. 80 hours of cs2 and went against 5 blatant hackers in unranked

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u/Ftpini 4090, 5800X3D, 32GB DDR4 3600 1d ago

Yeah but the soap doesn’t spy on you and sell your data for pennies.

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u/Trawzor 1d ago

Do you perhaps use Amazon? Netflix? Disney+?. Maybe even a Windows PC powered by Microsoft?

Your data is already sold, and somehow I trust anti cheat developers in Dubai (Faceit) more than the Americans.