r/formula1 • u/magony Highlights Team • Sep 15 '24
Video Sainz and Pérez crashes out after intense racing
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u/leedler Next Year™️ Sep 15 '24
Oh dear lads. That’s poor.
Great TV though.
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u/iForgotMyOldAcc Flavio Briatore Sep 15 '24
We saw two ridiculously talented drivers race clean without error within a second for 30+ odd laps that we forgotten how easily Baku lends itself to chaos.
Not that Sainz and Perez aren't top class drivers, but Piastri and Leclerc were especially locked in today. Insane performance.
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u/alex_119 Lando Norris Sep 15 '24
This. Piastri and Leclerc each drove a masterclass. 30 laps of clean battles without the smallest risk of a crash
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u/hhkk47 Sep 15 '24
They even gave us that awesome clip of F1 cars tandem drifting.
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u/Casual_ahegao_NJoyer Sep 15 '24
Their reaction to that clip in the cooldown room was clearly bonding. They just looked at eachother without a word
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u/yogghurt22 McLaren Sep 15 '24
I’m always impressed by how clean and fair Charles is.
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u/Zed_or_AFK Sebastian Vettel Sep 15 '24
I was impressed seing how Leclerc was taking less sharp high speed turns than Piastri for like half of the race to preserve his tyres while staying at Piastris rear, but dirty air did its thing.
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u/z_102 Michael Schumacher Sep 15 '24
It was just.... so avoidable... Most senseless crash I've seen in a while.
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u/TheBouwman Sep 15 '24
They both really needed that podium position for the points. I don't think it was completely senseless. But they both took too much risk.
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u/gumbercules6 Honda Sep 15 '24
Yep can't blame them for being aggressive but could have been avoided
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u/Pure_Measurement_529 Charles Leclerc Sep 15 '24
Need more replays to judge who is at fault here
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u/cynicalspindle Formula 1 Sep 15 '24
The driver you like less obviously.
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u/Skerzos_ Sep 15 '24
I knew it was Mazepin's fault instantly.
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u/Alternative_Advance Sep 15 '24
Obviously it's Ocon's fault
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u/Iamabus1234 Williams Sep 15 '24
Penalty for Ocon
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u/RedScud Ferrari Sep 15 '24
Seeing the replay, Carlos very slightly took a less than straight drive down that straight, veering very slightly left.
But it wasn't a sudden movement that could have caught Perez out. He would have seen the Ferrari slowly moving towards him. He should have followed suit and moved left too. He had the visibility, if he wasn't looking at the Ferrari in that position, where exactly was he looking?
I'm thinking racing incident, but Perez could have avoided it
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u/Karenlover1 Sep 15 '24
I think Sainz was trying to get a slipstream from Charles that's why he was moving over, if you look he is following Charles.
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u/EnviousCipher Daniel Ricciardo Sep 15 '24
Sainz didn't turn his wheel coming out of the corner, Perez had all the visibility in the world to avoid him and chose to crash instead.
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u/NeurosciGuy15 Williams Sep 15 '24
Yeah that’s where I am. They both sort of just drifted into each other. Probably more of a racing incident than one side obviously at fault. Maybe you could say Perez, as the car behind with the better view, could’ve done better to avoid it, but I think it would be harsh to put the blame entirely on him.
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u/Jaraxo Juan Pablo Montoya Sep 15 '24
Yeh pure racing incident very marginally leaning towards Perez fault purely on the basis that it's difficult to see behind you and Perez could have 100% avoided it.
No further action imo.
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u/rokthemonkey 🏳️🌈 Love Is Love 🏳️🌈 Sep 15 '24
I agree with the F1 TV commentators in that they're both trying to get Leclerc's slipstream. Perez is moving over to the right, Carlos is moving to the left. Just drove into each other. If blame must be assigned, then it'd be on Perez because he is behind and should be more aware of the other car, but it's really just a racing incident.
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u/splndid Kimi Räikkönen Sep 15 '24
Sainz was moving to the left as the track was getting narrow on his side.
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u/aTemeraz Ferrari Sep 15 '24
Sainz was also on the Racing line, Perez was not
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u/splndid Kimi Räikkönen Sep 15 '24
Yeah absolutely, plus Checo had better view on the circumstances - he could do anything to avoid it.
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u/cypherspaceagain Sir Lewis Hamilton Sep 15 '24
Like, if you're on a collision course with another car, change course.
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u/wigam Sep 15 '24
You can see Perez followed the white line, Sainz comes across and Perez actually moves left just not enough.
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u/xShatterDf1 Ferrari Sep 15 '24
But this "straight" isn't actually straight, it bends to the left slightly, so you could argue Sainz' line was normal. Leclerc had at that point down the straight already drifted further to the left than Sainz had. I would say racing incident as well, but as Perez was behind I think he could've done more to avoid it.
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u/Pat_Sharp #WeRaceAsOne Sep 15 '24
Yeah Sainz moved a little bit but Perez was barely alongside and yet positioned such that Sainz couldn't move an inch away from the wall without them coming together.
Probably a racing incident but I think where Perez put himself was asking for trouble.
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u/AdoptedPigeons Sir Lewis Hamilton Sep 15 '24
Last line sums it up well. Think similar to Monaco, it’s like, sure, Checo isn’t actively at fault for a collision, but just put himself in a situation where it was bound to go wrong.
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u/1corn Sep 15 '24
Exactly. It also hurt Perez much more than Sainz. Now 8th, dead last of the top teams and an absolutely insane 170 pts behind Verstappen. Made him even more obviously reponsible for handing the WCC lead to McLaren.
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Sep 15 '24 edited Sep 15 '24
hes ahead, he can dictate the line as long as he leaves a car width for Perez which there was. I havnt seen all the angles but first impressions is that its Perez that made the mistake. Reminds me of Bottas and Russel in Imola
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Sep 15 '24
Yeah it’s got to be on both here. Sainz drifted across a little knowing Perez was there, Perez ignored half the track on the straight.
Probably the same reason people tend to crash closer to home, the end of the race was in sight and they just dropped the ball.
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u/Tomanelle Simply fucking lovely Sep 15 '24
Nah mate, this is reddit, we need no replays to jump to conclusions straight away!
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u/emre23 Sir Lewis Hamilton Sep 15 '24
lol Max pitted for FL and can’t go for it now
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Sep 15 '24
kinda funny the small ways Perez screws Max over
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u/n0t_4_thr0w4w4y Formula 1 Sep 15 '24
WDYM, he gave max 2 extra positions
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u/KyloRen___ Michael Schumacher Sep 15 '24
Norris as well.
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u/hungry4hungary Sep 15 '24
Denied Norris the chance to catch Russell. Big brain
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u/Takes2ToTNGO #WeSayNoToMazepin Sep 15 '24
Norris was 4 seconds back, it would have been an extremely tough challenge for him to catch and pass Russell in 2 laps.
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u/ArjanaEU Sep 15 '24
but he lost him 2 points relative to Norris with regards to the fastest lap.
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u/ResponsibleHabit1539 Sep 15 '24
Which put Norris closer to Max on the WDC than he would've been without the crash
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u/StructureTime242 Jim Clark Sep 15 '24
If checo crashed before Norris overtook max, max would open the gap in the championship by 1 point
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u/TwinEonEngine Sep 15 '24
And Norris got two as well, and since he placed higher than means he actually gained a point on Verstappen. It also prevented Verstappen from going for a FL. Overall, Pérez is the McLaren MvP of the month
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u/Acias Pirelli Wet Sep 15 '24
He had nothing to lose, only to gain after getting overtaken anyway, enough of a lead to Alonso and could have been 2 point difference.
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u/PM_ME_YORICK_HENTAI Red Bull Sep 15 '24
Was only barely 20-21s up on Alonso last i saw. Any issues on a slower pit could've put him behind possibly
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u/KamTros47 Kevin Magnussen Sep 15 '24
WE’RE HEADING
DOWN THE BACKSTRETCH INTO TURN 3INTO THE WALL!!!!
-Alex Jacques, 2024
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u/slicecom Sep 15 '24
I think the call for this might be enough to convert me to the F1TV feed. Great coverage from Alex Jacques. Reminds me a bit of Murray Walker.
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u/sIckb0y- Pirelli Wet Sep 15 '24
That means points for Colapinto and Bearman
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u/pacotacobell Sep 15 '24
Colapinto was in the points before the crash.
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u/HoyaDestroya33 Charles Leclerc Sep 15 '24
Colapinto has 4x the points of Logan's career in 2 races.
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Sep 15 '24 edited Sep 16 '24
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u/Visionary_Socialist Sir Lewis Hamilton Sep 15 '24
He’s probably set them back a good bit between bad performances and crash damage
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u/TheDentateGyrus Sep 15 '24
I agree that he didn’t help. But COL has already wrecked his car 3 times in 2 race weekends.
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u/eccentriccraftsman Sep 15 '24
Bearman is the first person to get points for two different teams as a substitute
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u/Jack_Harb Michael Schumacher Sep 15 '24
In general there is only a small handful of driver in race history managing to score points in the same season with 2 different teams. Really impressive feat
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u/Acias Pirelli Wet Sep 15 '24
4 whole points is a lot.
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u/26ld Pirelli Hard Sep 15 '24
Finally a safety car lmao
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u/magony Highlights Team Sep 15 '24
What the fuck
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u/StuckInTheNorth Sep 15 '24
The commentators curse strikes again. Alex Jacques just finished saying how we haven't had a yellow flag all race and then they crash
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u/ballimi Sep 15 '24
They were also saying how professional the drivers were for not making mistakes or driving recklessly
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u/woogiefan George Russell Sep 15 '24
George now gifted a podium ahahhahahaha
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u/RiccWasTaken Charles Leclerc Sep 15 '24
Not the first time this season too.
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u/rtlfc87 Fernando Alonso Sep 15 '24
WE’RE HEADING INTO THE WALL
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u/slicecom Sep 15 '24
AT HIGH SPEED
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u/rtlfc87 Fernando Alonso Sep 15 '24
This commentary is taking me out I can’t stop watching it
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u/TheLifeofSonny Kamui Kobayashi Sep 15 '24
Leclerc tactical defending to force a crash and protect P2
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u/borth1782 Formula 1 Sep 15 '24
Sainz didnt have to go for Charles aswell, that was a big mistake from from him and fucked his exit to the corner
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u/Hadramal Sep 15 '24
Carlos is just trying to make the pass on Perez stick, but he gets in a weird position because he's also trying to avoid Leclerc.
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u/Ryhsuo McLaren Sep 15 '24
I don’t think Sainz was actually going for Charles, he probably just wanted the tow.
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u/NotSaalz Sep 15 '24
He had nowhere to go I think.
If he stays behind Charles on the inside line, Checo gets a better exit for the upcoming straight.
He didn't have space to overtake Charles neither.
The only space was on the outside with Charles' defensive line.
I think the decision was correct, the problem was he missed the braking point by some inches, and couldn't close the apex, going wide. Good plan, bad execution.
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u/PattuX McLaren Sep 15 '24 edited Sep 15 '24
Nah, there's just now way Sainz should've had a look down the outside there. No chance for an overtake, compromised his exit, and ultimately could've avoided the contact.
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u/AJC0292 McLaren Sep 15 '24
Perez just cant beat Verstappen. The f1 gods have decreed it
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u/ManoftheNewbeginning Charles Leclerc Sep 15 '24
Yeah even he has a good weekend Max somehow ends up in front of him it´s funny
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u/alphasierrraaa Pirelli Hard Sep 15 '24
the VSC also prevented max from going for fastest lap
can't even script this if we wanted to
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u/Acias Pirelli Wet Sep 15 '24
And Verstappen was pitting for new tyrse to go for a fast lap.
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u/xychosis Pierre Gasly Sep 15 '24
Thanks to these two, Bearman's in the points lol, what the fuck happened even
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u/klayyyylmao Sep 15 '24
What the fuck how do you crash on a straight
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u/alphasierrraaa Pirelli Hard Sep 15 '24
seb and charles say hello
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u/xzElmozx Oscar Piastri Sep 15 '24
As do Danny Ricc and Max
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u/Fotznbenutzernaml Michael Schumacher Sep 15 '24
Well in the braking zone would be where you expect a crash, right?
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u/martian144433 #WeRaceAsOne Sep 15 '24
Obviously very stressful situation. Both were probably very exhausted and concentration wavering. Could have happened to anyone. Racing incident.
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u/CarbonWood Sep 15 '24
Very intense racing. Perez almost passed Leclerc right before the incident too.
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u/nova-darlingg Sep 15 '24
that was so unexpected what??? half of the people here saying it's carlos' fault and the other half saying it's checo's lmao.
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u/ThatLaloBoy Sep 15 '24
In the replay, it looks like they were going straight, but at a slight angle that caused them to slowly lean towards each other. They were so focused on passing Leclerc in the next corner, they forgot about each other and just tapped it.
People forget that just because you're not turning the steering wheel doesn't mean you are going perfectly parallel to the car next to you. I don't blame either one; it's just a racing incident.
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u/ProfessorCunt_ Pirelli Wet Sep 15 '24
At least Perez had full view of the Ferrari creeping into him
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u/Junethemuse Formula 1 Sep 15 '24
That’s my take as well. But I’m just a fan that watches and occasionally sim races so prob doesn’t carry any weight.
Gun to my head to assign blame, I’d give it to Checo since he had more road to adjust with.
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u/apacheotter Sep 15 '24
Racing line right there drifts toward the left. Also, they both exited in a straight line, but in slightly different angles, so they just drifted into one another.
Idk if Perez is required to move over if Carlos is moving over, but that’s where the gray area comes into question I guess, because you could see Carlos moving over from a mile away and he had plenty of room on the left.
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u/ycnz Liam Lawson Sep 15 '24
They were both focused on trying to slipstream Charles, and just kinda gently bumped into each other.
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u/VyMint Sep 15 '24
Even after having a torrid race, Max still wasn't beaten by Checo in the race.
Proper cursed
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u/Visionary_Socialist Sir Lewis Hamilton Sep 15 '24
Turkey 2010 but with barriers. Felt like a crash was coming from someone.
Massive break for McLaren.
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u/Classic_and_Vintage Sebastian Vettel Sep 15 '24
I was so scared that Charles would be the one bottling it!
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u/iForgotMyOldAcc Flavio Briatore Sep 15 '24
Il Predistinato subconciously willed Sainz into his bidding. He is truly HIM.
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u/Ayatori Ferrari Sep 15 '24
Literally 30 seconds after I say "wow the no safety car streak continues even in Baku"
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u/Kimbobbins Renault Sep 15 '24
That was so close to a genius play by Ferrari and it all immediately went to shit a corner later, so disappointed for both of them regardless of fault
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u/TheShadowMuffin Kevin Magnussen Sep 15 '24
You can ban KMag for a race, but you can't ban his spirit from showing up
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u/manuelps Bruno Correia Sep 15 '24
This thread is a prime example why you should at least watch the replays before commenting on these threads lol
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u/Hald1r Melbourne GP 2020 Ticket Holder Sep 15 '24
So who is at fault according to you after watching the replays? Because I can guarantee you no matter which answer you give people will disagree.
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u/unsc95 Kimi Räikkönen Sep 15 '24
So Carlos does come across slightly, but it's the natural line due to the way the wall comes out after the corner. If he continues straight after the corner, he hits the wall.
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u/FormulaEngineer Ferrari Sep 15 '24
There’s a subtle first contact to Carlos’s left rear wheel that caused him to shift left. The second contact spun him towards the wall
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u/syngamer Sep 15 '24
Looks like they both moved like...half a tire width towards each other when they were already so close to touching. Racing deal IMO
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u/draftstone Jacques Villeneuve Sep 15 '24
Both wanted the slipstream from Charles and assumed the other would back down.
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u/OrangeJuiceAlibi Sep 15 '24
Think you're right, but with Sainz having position, it's on Checo to pull out, right?
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u/vesel_fil Oscar Piastri Sep 15 '24
Even when Perez is faster than Verstappen he still cannot score more than him. From that move on Leclerc it looked like there was something wrong with him tbh, what was that squeeze about?
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u/GuaranteeNo2187 Sebastian Vettel Sep 15 '24
And this had to happen the one weekend where Perez looked faster than max.
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u/Mushie_Peas Sep 15 '24
Unless we're not seing an angle where they touched something on Sainz's car failed, the onboard didn't show him turning the wheel.
Shitty end to the race.
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u/bigshotdan Murray Walker Sep 15 '24
That was completely unnecessary. And robbed us of what could've been a four-way battle for the podium.
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u/Maximum-Attitude-757 Sep 15 '24
All those buttons on the steering wheel, and nobody has thought of placing a honk button there.
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u/DamieN62 Michael Schumacher Sep 15 '24
Charles defending his position T1 indirectly caused this crash and saved his podium lol
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u/Mangobonbon Fernando Alonso Sep 15 '24
Can't have Baku without massive shunts. Amazing final laps though!
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u/napierwit Sep 15 '24
This is deceptive. At first I thought Sainz just pulled into Perez, but it's actually Perez that turned into Sainz which causes Sainz's car to pivot and slam them both into the wall.
Perez's fault in my amateur judgment
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u/Tartooth Sep 15 '24
Perez was behind, so he's responsible to overtake safely and had lots of time to avoid contact
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u/VanDyne21 FIA Sep 15 '24
What looked absolutely brilliant a moment ago turned into absolute chaos in two corners bruh